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On Being Mean-Spirited

Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 11:13:50 AM PDT

Obama's appearance on Fox News today is predictably giving the blogosphere fits. Personally, I don't really care. Fox News isn't going away. Anyone who thinks so is kidding themselves.

Nevertheless, we are seeing the typical bile from the HRC crowd. Exhibit one is Jerome Armstrong's typically bitter response to it. As always, his guiding principle is based on cynicism. "See. Your candidate panders just as much as ours does."

As I see it, there are about two lines of attack on Obama from HRC supporters.

First, and most recently, there has been the argument that Hillary is more electable than Obama. This is comical to me. Only six months ago, we were all afraid that if McCain ran against Hillary, he would kill her in the General Election. Now suddenly, HRC supporters are convinced that Hillary is going to pull all those white working class swing voters--all six of them--away from from McCain. Aside from the fact that the white working class has been voting GOP since Reagan, Hillary is going to bring over all these independent swing voters. The problem with this analysis is that in primary after primary, Hillary wins the democratic base, while Obama wins independents. So the obvious assumption would be that these base voters will stay with the party if Obama is the nominee, while Obama's independents will almost certainly be more likely to shift to McCain or sit out the election. But even granting all this is not somehow the case, Clinton would at best be only marginally more electable than Obama is the best case scenario, but that's before the current democratic coalition is torn to pieces by the superdelagates' decision to hand the nomination to the pledged delegate loser, who will almost certainly be Clinton. Black voters would desert the party en masse, while the growing growing democratic trend among young voters would be harmed for the foreseeable future. Considering the uproar that would ensue, how can anyone think Clinton would be more electable come labor day after the devastation of a full blown convention war which is her only path to victory?

But I don't think that's the point for Clinton people. I think there is a deep cynicism that pervades their worldview. They think Obama is either a charlatan or a unrealistic idealist. They think think his supporters are just as unrealistic and dreamy. They support Clinton--a known and unrepentant panderer (Iraq War supporter--hello?)--because they think of themselves as hard nosed realists, who know that the only way to get anything done in Washington is by duking it out with the GOP.

Now this is a very strange line of reasoning to me--particularly for Clinton, who in her militant phase was an abject failure, but who when she went to the Senate, engaged in all sorts of the nasty bi-partisanship she and her supporters claim Obama is so unrealistic for talking about and supporting. Even more strangely, she actually got quite a bit accomplished this way. So the lines are drawn essentially like this: Obama wants to win by changing our political discourse for the better. Clinton thinks you have to embrace it in all its ugliness and winning at it. Call it what you want, but its not very hopeful or idealistic. Its in fact very, very cynical.

And all of this contributes to their mean-spiritedness. Political cynicism. Hopelessness. Bitterness over past political wars. Not to mention a shrewd political calculation that the only way their candidate wins is if they can collectively batter their opponent into unelectability. Its a strange strategy to embrace, since it is certainly doing serious damage to the party in the fall, but nevertheless there it is. Battlelines have been drawn. Obama must lose even if it costs us the presidency in the fall.

Do I really believe Obama is this world historic leader HRC supporters claim we Obama supporters believe him to be? To tell the truth, I don't really care. That's never been what this was about. What I do think what Obama can do is convey the values of people of the left in a way very few people have been able to do up to this point. Democrats have won the policy arguments in America, but lost the battle for the hearts of America. We've failed to explain why a liberal culture of openness and responsiveness is better than the conservative/fascist culture offered by the GOP. I think Obama supporters understand this--its what they have in mind when they embrace Obama's calls for hope and change and participatory democracy.

So to Hillary supporters here's the point. Your support for this divisive candidate and her arch-cynic of a husband is doing serious damage to the Democratic Party and can only end badly. Its time to drop the cynicism and embrace a hope for a better time when our values predominate the political discourse, rather than those of prejudice and anger and cynicism which the Fascists of the right have won with for so long.

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  •  Maybe you should post this on MyDD (6+ / 0-)

    where Jerome might read it.Just sayin.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 11:17:38 AM PDT

  •  Maybe we would impress the HRC supportors more if (11+ / 0-)

    we told them that Obama is secretly just as manipulative, cyncial and willing to exploit power as HRC is, and the he and we are just pretending to be high minded, visionary, and positive as a strategy to gut her campaign and marginalize her and her supporters as negativists.

    Then, if they think we can be just as dastardly and Machiavellian as themselves, we are just vastly more effective at it, they will more happily drop their futile resistence and be more happily assimilated?   lol

    More seriously, I caught just a portion of the Tim Russert roundtable on the radio this morning and he read a compellinq quote from a Republican I think who said, that if HRC hadn't first broken the ice, they couldn't really have launched the Reverend Wright and Ayers attacks without appearing crass and risking backlash from more post-Swiftboat sensitive independent and marginal Republicans.

    A month ago Mort Kondracke noticed that the GOP just has to splice on the "I'm John McCain, and I approved of this add" and then run the McCain is a competent commander in chief but Obama is not video, the Shame of You - Obama.  I don't think the the comments about how legitimate attacking Obama on the Ayers and Wright issues are.

    But Kondracke's point was that sure the GOP was going to do these things anyway, but was really uncertain about their effectiveness since people expect extreme and scurrilous smears from them, and they were also nervous against backlash.

    Now the GOP is licking their chops because HRC has innoculated them against backlash, neutralized the scurriously extremist backlash defense, and broken the ice and established a solid beachhead five months early using Democratic campaign dollars, atttack dogs and resources!  

    How sad and unnecessary.  The supers are not going to slamdown Rep Clyburne and our core AA community by overriding Obama's elected delegate lead.

    Extensive interview with many supers were reported Saturday suggesting they've largely already made up their minds and only waiting for the right time.

    They were not influenced by PA, but rather than their solid perception that HRC is so polarizing and galvanizing to the right she would destroy their own and our parties downticket chances.

    Also, too many polls show such a dramatically richer set of battleground states that formerly were solidly red.  Add in fund raising, HRC asrononucal and exponential rising negatives, and Obamas party expanding appear to indies and the a new generation of Dems and supers are saying it's a no-brainer.

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 11:25:53 AM PDT

    •  Yes, this is the ticket! We're willing to say (0+ / 0-)

      anything or do anything to get elected.  

      So stand aside because we take large steps, and we don't want innocent bystanders to get hurt!

      :-)

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:08:03 PM PDT

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    •  Waiting for the right time? (1+ / 0-)

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      HoundDog

      When is the right time? It's when they've milked every promise they can get from these two and weighed them. This gives them time to test the winds to make sure Obama has no more hidden skeletons. Or their waiting for the Rezko trial to end. Either way, their holding out for good reason: they haven't decided and won't till the last second. p.s. shows Dean has very little power and has probably lost a lot of respect amongst the elders. He's toast after this election.

      •  You have several sad observations in here that (0+ / 0-)

        appear to be true riverdan.

        I wish our leadership would show more courage, unity, vision, wisdom, strength and foresight.

        Maybe we should sponsor a rehabilitation camp for wayward politicians -- where we could send them away for intense intervention and training -- so they could return as productive members of society and do their jobs more in the way they should for a democracy to function effectively?

        I'd be happy to volunteer as one of the drill sargents.  LOL I think I could be pretty good at it actually.  At least, I have a lot of strongly held opinions about how they could all improve their behavior according to my standards.

        Sort of like my own personal Total Quality Program For Politicians, Public Servants, and Employees.  
        :-)

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:58:20 PM PDT

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  •  The Clintons got very little done (4+ / 0-)

    during Bill's administration, except stuff that the Republicans WANTED them to do. (Balanced budget, which is apparently important for Dems, but not Republicans; pro-corporate trade deals; cut welfare, etc.)

    Otherwise, they spent their time dealing with various scandals, mostly of their own making. This humiliated and weakened the Democratic party, thus paving the way for the enthronement of GW Bush.

    --The End

  •  Ayers, is going to put an end (0+ / 0-)

    to a lot of what this diarist speaks to, eloquently, I might add. Ayers is an un-repentant dip shit who will probably sink Obama! Americans will see his bile as hate speech and rightly so. Been reading up on his and Obama's relationship...frankly, he's not been forth coming. They've had a long and inter-twined relationship, which, by the way, he has been taking great pains to hide. This is bad.

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