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Why take chances? The folly of Operation Chaos

Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:23:47 PM PDT

I've commented on this numerous times with regard to strategy for callers and canvassers in Indiana's open primary, and wanted to flesh out my thoughts more fully. I'd be preaching to the choir here if I were simply to extoll the virtues of Barack Obama to the latte-sipping, Birkenstock-wearing, Prius-driving liberal activist crowd, and I don't think we need another diary in that vein.

But what do we say outside of this bubble to our Republican family members, our independent friends, or those Republicans we meet who have little incentive to vote on the Republican ballot in a primary and who are considering dabbling in the Democratic race? To me, the most important question we should ask them is:

How would you feel if Hillary Clinton was inaugurated in January 2009?

Part of why the waters are muddy for superdelegates is the fact that both Obama and Clinton show strength along different paths to a Democratic presidency. Assuming Clinton could win the "big swing states" she has in the primaries gives her her path. Assuming Obama could carry many more of the midwest and mountain west swing states gives him his, even assuming he'd lose swing states he lost in the primaries.

The Limbaugh strategy is based on the assumption that the Republican party could defeat Hillary Clinton in a general election, but right now the poll numbers don't entirely support that theory. Assuming a bounce for the Democratic party from the 50-state voter registration drive that Obama's volunteer army has been planning, there is a strong chance for unprecedented first-time Democratic voter turnout in November.

One need only look at past successful voter registration drives (like Obama's Project Vote in Chicago) to see how radically the landscape changes when hundreds of thousands of first-time voters, never polled, never taken into account, without demographic data to predict their leanings, become part of the mix. Considering the fact that the registration drive will be part of Democratic party activism, the only safe conclusion is that Democrats will be stronger by the hundreds of thousands than they ever were before.

Therefore, any Republican voter who plans to vote in a Democratic primary should be seriously considering which of the Democratic candidates he or she could more easily live with (a) during the general election and (b) for the next four years.

The General Election argument for a Republican vote for Obama

To be certain, there will be the contingent who fear Black Liberation Theology, the terrifying lack of flag pins, the Muslim Manchurian Candidate, and all the rest of the right-wing noise circulating about Obama. And it is equally certain that there are many Republican voters who would rend their garments if Hillary Clinton were elected president.

The psychology works like this:

A Republican voter convinced of Obama's unelectability should not fear him running in the general election.

A Republican voter truly dead-set against a Hillary Clinton presidency should not aid and abet her bid to be a candidate in the general election.

The Next Four Years argument for a Republican vote for Obama

On the other side of the coin are Republicans who are Republicans ideologically. They may not harbor the same fear of, or vitriol toward, either Democratic candidate, but they intend to vote Republican in November.

Here Obama's strengths as a bipartisan sponsor of legislation, his approach focused on finding solutions rather than fighting partisan battles, his stated willingness to include Republicans as high-ranking members of his cabinet, and his ability to praise successes on the part of Republican administrations are the crux of the argument.

Despite his voting record as the "most liberal" in the Senate (by cherry-picking intentionally partisan legislation to divine the grade), Obama has shown himself to be more centrist on many issues that Republicans are concerned about.

  • He supports "pay as you go" for funding new legislation.
  • His support for the Second Amendment is clearer and he hasn't misrepresented his own position on it, as Clinton did in Pennsylvania.
  • He's been willing to release his earmarks and is more willing to consider reining in earmarks than is Clinton (who still will not release her own).
  • He has an approach to immigration reform that is actually quite close to what Bush proposed without success -- understanding that strong borders and better ability to identify legal workers is the first step toward actually cracking down on illegal workers and curbing illegal immigration.
  • As a Constitutional scholar, he's more likely to appoint judges to the Supreme Court who have a strong record of strong Constitutional decisions, rather than ideologues.

The psychology works like this:

Given the possibility that a Democrat will be elected in November, we are too close to the end of the primary season to be casting chaos votes. Limbaugh may think that there will be riots at the convention, but he's most likely wrong. Voter registration will go forward with or without a decision after May 6.

Republicans need to consider which of the Democrats they could more readily accept as a president, and cast a vote accordingly if they choose to vote in the Democratic primary. Voting for Clinton means voting for four more years of partisan battles. Moving beyond the sound-bite hype of "liberalism," Obama is not only the choice of many disaffected Republicans who genuinely cross over to vote for him, he's a better choice than Clinton for finding compromise on Republican issues.

Tags: Operation Chaos, crossover Republican voting, Democratic primaries, election 2008, barack obama, hillary clinton, john mccain (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  Tips for opposition strategy? (1+ / 0-)

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    XNeeOhCon

    Sometimes choosing the lesser of two evils is a necessity.

    You're in debt and completely fooled that you can look in the mirror and objectively rank your wounds --DCFC

    by Saska on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:25:02 PM PDT

  •  I have to disagree with you on one point (4+ / 0-)

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    I don't think Limbaugh's 'strategery' is to get Hillary the nomination because they think she would be easier to defeat.  I think it is to try to implode the Democratic party be prolonging the race, and thereby the infighting between the two candidates.
    To use a sports analogy, he's hoping the other conference semi-final goes to 7 games to increase the fatigue and injuries on the eventual winner.  Although in listening to him, he doesn't seem to want mcCain to win either.  I think he want's the Democratic convention to be so bitter and disallusioning that the base doesn't come out to vote at all.

    George W Bush: 8 years of Presidency, 13 Years of War.

    by XNeeOhCon on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:31:15 PM PDT

    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      I think Limbaugh's goal is to have a brokered convention that isn't settled on the first ballot.  And he also hopes that this will lead to massive protests and riots in Denver.  What he also doesn't realize is that such a situation would probably result in someone other than Clinton or Obama being the nominee, probably Al Gore.

      John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

      by IhateBush on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:43:43 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know about Al gore, but (0+ / 0-)

        I know that his dream isn't going to come to fruition.  There is no way the organizers here in Denver are going to allow riots for anything short of a theft of the nomination.  Hillary doesn't have the numbers or the rhetoric to pull it off, and she will be out of the race by the end of June if not 2 weeks from now when she loses NC and IN.

        George W Bush: 8 years of Presidency, 13 Years of War.

        by XNeeOhCon on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:49:31 PM PDT

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        •  Well (1+ / 0-)

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          I would take what Jim Clyburn says very seriously about how blacks feel about the Clintons.  If Clinton steals the nomination through MI/FL and superdelegates (as at this point, even seating MI/FL (Obama getting the uncommitteds) probably wouldn't prevent Obama from getting a majority of pledged delegates), I would expect a 100K+ black protest at the Denver convention and protests throughout the country.

          The media would laugh with glee and portray the Clintons and the Democratic Party as racist for taking the nomination from a black who had won by the rules and gave it to his opponent who had race baited the entire campaign.

          John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

          by IhateBush on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:55:30 PM PDT

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          •  I agree that this COULD happen (0+ / 0-)

            But I don't think it will.  The SD's know the possible consequences all too well.

            George W Bush: 8 years of Presidency, 13 Years of War.

            by XNeeOhCon on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:05:19 PM PDT

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            •  I don't think AA's will bother to go to Denver! (0+ / 0-)

              If the Democrats allow HRC to steal the nomination the AA's won't riot.  They will punish the party at the ballot box.  

              We are much smarter these days.

              •  I think they would be better off (0+ / 0-)

                going to Denver.  If you want to punish the party, the best way is to send the message with a good protest, which will result in the McCain loving media portraying the Clintons and the Dem party as racist.

                John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

                by IhateBush on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:43:36 PM PDT

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                •  The last thing AA's need is an association (1+ / 0-)

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                  with a riot!  We will be much smarter than that.  We will punish the party were it will hurt the most, at the ballot box.  Rush is not going to incite us into actions that will set back AA's decades.  We have a long way to go but we are not going backward.

                  •  Not a riot but a peaceful march (0+ / 0-)

                    Something like the march in Jena.

                    John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

                    by IhateBush on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:52:32 PM PDT

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              •  And even if AA as a group don't go (0+ / 0-)

                there will be a lot of others who will.  So the issue will be brought up.

                John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

                by IhateBush on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:44:24 PM PDT

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                •  The streets is not were this should be (0+ / 0-)

                  handled.  The media will ridicule us and the party.  We have a different plan. The ballot box is the place to handle this.  We will write letters, send emails, write to newspapers but we will not take to the streets.  It would not bring African Americans goodwill.  We will be smart about this.

      •  speaking or Rush wanting riots (1+ / 0-)

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        William Domingo

        This was linked to by a one of the idiot rightwingers that inhabit the Cubs MLB non-baseball forum:

        Recreate68

        Anybody else see this?  Is it just a front for a bunch of crazy dittoheads?

      •  Limbaugh's goal (2+ / 0-)

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        XNeeOhCon, realwischeese

        Limbaugh's goal is to keep Hillary in the primary long enough so she'll have enough time to make many of her follows hate Obama so bad that they'll vote for McCain.

  •  If Hillary was out on March 4th (0+ / 0-)

    the Wright montage would still be in the GOP aresenal. If it had been dropped on the Friday before the general it would have put McCain in the Whitehouse. And Hillary would have been unscathed and able to run in 2012.

    McCain '08 - Hope Less!

    by kitebro on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:27:12 PM PDT

    •  You're right (0+ / 0-)

      but it is important to realize that the Rethugs didn't drop Wright in mid March.  

      The Clintons probably dropped it with the hope it would destroy Obama in time for Clinton to run away with the nomination and unite the party in time.  The other theory, is that it was released by Obama's campaign at that time.  Which I don't believe because I don't think Obama had any idea of how damaging Wright was.

      John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

      by IhateBush on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:36:53 PM PDT

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