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Obama, Get Wright's Dirt Off Your Coattails

Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:47:18 PM PDT

Many of you will disagree with what I have to say, however it's rapidly becoming clear that it's now time for Senator Obama to sever whatever ties or perceptions of ties exist between himself and Jeremiah Wright.
Let me be clear, his controversial positions are damaging enough, but they are far from the worst of it.
Rev. Wright is trying to attach himself to Senator Obama: to fuse his cause, his fortunes, his solutions, and his grievances with those of Obama.
I suggest you re-read that last sentence, for it contains the death of our hopes for a progressive president within it.

It's going to be a hard thing for Obama to do. Personally, I'm sure he still feels a great love for the man, a man who meant so much to him, and to disown the man after having equated him with family will be tough politically. He will be accused of disloyalty and being a cold, calculating pol, practicing the dark arts of sub-bus-toss. But something changed today, or at least was widely revealed for the first time.

"He didn't distance himself," Wright announced. "He had to distance himself, because he's a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was anti-American."

(From the first link) The ego of the man has been on full display before (particularly post SC - which I'll mention in a moment), but today it was so bright as to be blinding. "I cannot be wrong" he seems so say, "so Obama's disagreement must be insincere." Perhaps now would be a good time to note that Wright never once even apologized, or offered any sort of olive branch to those who disagree with him and were offended by his remarks. Does anyone really think he was never asked to apologize, while Obama apologized on his behalf for months?
There were signs of this completely self-absorbed reaction to criticism after South Carolina.

That Sunday, I was struck by how much of the sermon was about--well, him. During the address, he let fly with a verbal fusillade aimed directly at his detractors: "I don't care what nobody in the 4-H club says. Y'all know what the 4-H club is?" The church roared, and he explained: "That's Hannity, Hillary, Hobbes, and Haters." Later, while discussing his opposition to South African apartheid, Wright seemed to take another shot at his enemies: "I was talked about then, and I'm still talked about now," he thundered. "But I'm not going to stop being me because of what somebody says about me. [Jesus] set me free to be me and he set me free to forgive stupidity." And here he gets in one more jab: "So I forgive you, 4-H club; I forgive you, confused journalists; I forgive you, nervous negroes--I forgive you."

(From the last link) Wright seems to feed off the tit-for-tat with the looney fringe of the right, as he referenced today "playing the dozens" a verbal volley of insults is something he's more than willing to engage in,  as long as there are cheering crowds and TV cameras - which after this morning will be guaranteed. He has upstaged the entire primary process itself, and will continue to do so because Wright makes for very compelling TV.
Ironic for a man who considers himself in the prophetic tradition was the moment of unintended prophecy when he humorously listed himself as a possible VP for Obama. Doesn't he see that that's exactly the mental ticket that the right are drawing and fleshing out in the minds of voters? In that moment he made it completely unintentionally obvious that his agenda now is to ride Obama like a prize mule to carry his cause and himself as far as Obama can manage.
At this point it's helpful to revisit the equivalence Obama drew between Wright and family. Wright is like a family member, a very specific kind: the stereotypical parasitic parent of a celebrity - you know the kind. So I plead and ask you to plead with me for Obama to do something now. Obama you're a big boy now. This family member no longer represents the man you loved. Get that dirt off your coattails. We know all the good this man has done in the past, but we also know how much good you could accomplish if you get to the White House and we know that will never happen with this man trying to elbow his way into your spotlight.
Andrew Sullivan may have said it best:

Obama needs not just to distance himself from Wright's views; he needs to disown him at this point. Wright himself, it seems to me, has become part of what Obama is fighting against: the boomer, Vietnam era's obsession with its red-blue, white-black, pro and anti-America fixations. That is not what this election needs to be about; and Wright's massive, racially divisive and, yes, bitter provocation requires a proportionate response.

We need a speech or statement from Obama in which he utterly repudiates this poison, however personally difficult that may be, however damaging the impact will be. The statement today will not do it. This is no longer about cynics trying to associate one man's politics with another. It is  now about Wright attempting to associate himself and some of his noxious, stupid, rancid views with the likely Democratic nominee. Wright has given Obama no choice - and he has also given him another opportunity. He needs to seize it.

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  •  tip jar of bitterness (5+ / 0-)

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    Your comments are being interpreted in a manner consistent with the powers of the Unitary Kossack

    by taricha on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:47:56 PM PDT

  •  If I read one more Wright Diary (10+ / 0-)

    (as I load my shotgun) There will be a Thinning of the Herd.

    If at first you don't succeed, your name is not Chuck Todd.

    by Larry Madill on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:49:19 PM PDT

  •  I'm agreeing with you.... (0+ / 0-)

    this isn't getting any better.

    John McCain '08: Putting the "ass" in "assisted living"!

    by foxsucks81 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:49:37 PM PDT

  •  Who cares about Wright. (2+ / 0-)

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    Last I checked, Rev. Wright wasn't running for President.

    •  The media cares... (6+ / 0-)

      because Wright is entertaining.

      I turned on CNN and as usual, I turned off the sound.  What do I see, there was ol' Jeremiah.

      Remember now...no sound, no words.  

      I just got the visual message.  What did I see...a mashup of Wright's  strange gesticulations, fingers opening and closing, arms waving, some little dance, eyes growing large and the face all scrunching up.

      The visual message was clear...the man is a "clown."

      My wife has a funny French-Canadian expression "ca sent la cirque" which means "It smells like a circus."  

      That's what you say when you the odor of popcorn, peanuts and candy apples is mixed with elephant poop.

      People...this smells like a circus and let's be perfectly clear, the elephant is the main attraction.

      I think Barack Obama has lost control of his campaign.

    •  The media doesn't agree with you... (0+ / 0-)

      And has given Wright more face time than ANY of the three candidates over the last two days. That's bad for us.

      Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed...

      by langstonhughesfan on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:36:49 PM PDT

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  •  Ignore it . . . (3+ / 0-)

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    that's what Obama should do.

    Anyone have any Hagee or Parsley tapes out there?  

    In comparison Wright will look like a dotting but harmless crazy uncle.

    •  But the media and the people are only hearing (3+ / 0-)

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      about Wright. Obama ignoring the issue means one certain thing: Hillary Clinton is the nominee.

      •  Well ... if the folks of this country are so (5+ / 0-)

        stupid as to make their choice for president based on comments by any religious preacher, then we deserve what we get.

        Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

        by slatsg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:08:24 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, they are that stupid (4+ / 0-)

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          Sunlight is the best disinfectant

          by historys mysteries on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:27:09 PM PDT

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        •  you new in America? (0+ / 0-)

          they are that stupid, that has been proven over and over again, so what, we deserve what we get?

          We're trying to win an election here and we're not going to win it running on the assumption that maybe this time the American people will not be so stupid.

          •  If you really belive that, then Wright isn't (2+ / 0-)

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            the problem.

            If it isn't Wright then it will be some other issue. Obama will have to reject this person or that organization. He will be held to a standard that does not apply to white folks.

            I saw this same nonsense with the Cruz Bustamante/MEChA BS in California.

            Obama needs to show backbone and stand his ground or he will be on the defensive until November.

            Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

            by slatsg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:47:47 PM PDT

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            •  Maybe Wright isn't the problem (0+ / 0-)

              and please stop insinuating we don't hold the same standard "white folks" This has nothing to do with Wright's race, it has to do with his words. Part of the reason I despise the Republican Party is because they kiss the ass of so-called holy men, who are white btw, who blame Hurricane Katrina and 9/11 on gays and think women should be treated as pets.

              •  Well, it's already starting to take place. (0+ / 0-)

                Obama is already starting to distance himself. Wright does not speak for the campaign in any way, shape, or form.

              •  You may hold others to the same standard... (1+ / 0-)

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                However, one has to be very naive to believe that Wright would be getting this attention if he were white. It would be a non-issue, which is what it should be.

                Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

                by slatsg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:54:48 PM PDT

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                •  You think it would be ok (0+ / 0-)

                  if a white man said the government invented AIDS to wipe out minorities? You are out of your mind. I sure as hell would be giving that hypothetical white preacher the same amount of attention. This isn't about his race, why are you making everything about his race? This is about what he said and how much of an effect it has on Obama.

                  It leads to the question, does Obama believe this? I know he doesn't, you know he doesn't (maybe you hope he does), but if people go to the polls thinking Obama believes what Wright does, Election Night will be over before so early, we'll all get to watch Dancing with the Stars.

                  •  Most people understand that they are different. (0+ / 0-)

                    That is simply not the case, given that Obama is cutting into Clinton's lead in IN and given that he is still comfortably ahead in NC. And nobody expected him to win PA even without Wright because that was Hillary's backyard.

                    •  I think the point of these diaries (0+ / 0-)

                      is that he's not doing as well as he has been...his lead in North Carolina has been cut down and you got superdelegates still endorsing Clinton.

                      But I don't want to get into that. I could tell you no one believes he agrees with Wright, but those who still like Clinton and/or McCain are not willing to "take that chance" But whether or not that's true will depend on the results next Tuesday.

                      •  You need to buckle up. (1+ / 0-)

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                        Look, when people like you freak out and don't believe in your own product, people can tell. That is a fact of business and a fact of life. If people would just stop listening to the media like a lapdog and freaking out every time there is bad news, then we would be fine.

                        •  I'm not listening to the media (0+ / 0-)

                          and btw, I am the media, I work in the media and no, they're not out to destroy Obama, they're out to get the most scandalous story they can find and right now that's Wright. Had he not wanted to stroke his ego this weekend, perhaps the story would've been McCain robbing his wife's purse, but no, the scandalous black preacher is back.

                          Plus, the media only responses to hitting nerves. For every e-mail and letter you send to the networks, it makes it worse. They like the fact that people are responding to this.

                          The problem is the Republicans handle scandal better. With the possible exception of Tom DeLay, when a scandal breaks in the GOP, they nip it in the bud right away, stand up and say "what scandal?" Democrats rub salt in the wounds and call it ointment all in the name of "character"

                          •  Wow -- arrogant: (0+ / 0-)

                            I am the media.

                            That means you are part of the problem, then. I don't see what anything the media does is worthwhile or newsworthy, seeing that by your own admission, all they do is dig for scandal. And that is totally on top of the fact that they lied to us about Iraq and the fact that there are too many people within the media that do have personal political agendas. So, nothing that they say is worthwhile. And if you think they don't have an agenda, look at how they give John McCain a free pass on everything while they dig up dirt on everyone else.

                            •  All media is like that (0+ / 0-)

                              in every country, everywhere in the world...in Europe, it's much worse. The media drives for ratings, all it wants is ratings, and controversial preacher gets better ratings than Cindy McCain stealing reciepes from the Food Network.

                  •  You can't separate . . . (1+ / 0-)

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                    Wright's words from his life experience.  State sponsored segregation clearly does crazy things to a man's mind.  That's my big take away.

                    If Wright keeps this up, yes there's a chance that some voters will go running to McCain.  There's also a chance that swing voters will break for Obama simply to shut Wright up and prove him wrong -- especially if Wright keeps daring them.

                    That would be a thing of wonder.

                    In the meantime, buckle up your seatbelt -- I don't get the sense that Wright will be riding along on the Obama campaign bus anytime soon.  I also don't think he'll shut up anytime soon either.  And God bless him for that.

        •  No, THEY deserve what we get. (0+ / 0-)

          WE don't.

          "Leap, and the net will appear." -- John Burroughs

          by somtam on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:41:56 PM PDT

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          •  Then Obama had better show the courage (1+ / 0-)

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            to stand up to these attacks. They will not go away. If he throws Wright under the bus, then they will just throw up another issue where he will have to humble himself and cave to the nutjobs on the right.

            Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

            by slatsg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:50:45 PM PDT

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            •  Welcome to politics (0+ / 0-)

              as long as you have skeletons in your closet, they'll come out until the closet is empty.

              Obama has no reason to defend Wright or his words unless he believes them, and if he does believe them, well then forget about him being President.

              •  The closet will never be empty (1+ / 0-)

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                Every candidate has skeletons.

                I happen to believe that if Obama denounces an old friend, he will lose more than if he doesn't. It's goes to chararcter.

                Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

                by slatsg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:57:56 PM PDT

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                •  Again, welcome to politics (0+ / 0-)

                  There's a reason why none of our politicians have character.

                  Personally, I don't see how this effects his character. Wright, IMO, has no character, he's just an egotistic selfish hotheaded motormouth.

                  It does none of us any good if Obama goes down defending this guy.

                •  It DOES go to character (0+ / 0-)

                  and Obama had to show Americans that he will not stand for anyone, friend or not, diminishing him in public. Wright has given Americans the impression that Obama made a speech he didn't believe in.  Obama needed to make sure we understood the truth.

                  Yes, it's important to support your friends. But lately Reverend Wright has not been behaving like a friend.

                  "Leap, and the net will appear." -- John Burroughs

                  by somtam on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:13:36 PM PDT

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      •  It doesn't erase the pledge delegate count . . . (1+ / 0-)

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        Clinton is the nominee because the supers overturn Obama's delegate lead.  That's bad news for Clinton.

        My other thought here -- listen, no one said this was going to be easy.  This is no time to back down.  Obama has already spoken his piece, he can dismiss questions by saying, "I am focused on the issues that matter in people's lives, I have spoken my piece on that issue.  At this point it is a distraction I have nothing more to say".  

        He can repeat that same line 2,000 from here on out.  In fact, he would be very well served by repeating that line (as well as having his surrogates repeat that line) again, and again, and again when the question comes up.  

        One thing that George W. Bush gets credit for in 2000 was his ability to parry questions about his past cocaine use (uh, "alleged" cocaine use).  How did he do it?  

        "I'm focused on issues that matter -- not distractions.  I'm focused on issues that matter -- not distractions.  I'm focused on issues that matter -- not distractions.  I'm focused on issues that matter -- not distractions.  I'm focused on issues that matter -- not distractions. I'm focused on issues that matter -- not distractions.
        I'm focused on issues that matter -- not distractions."

        Again, and again, and again.

    •  *popcorn* (0+ / 0-)

      "The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

      by Ritter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:09:27 PM PDT

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  •  distance himself? (7+ / 0-)

    Wright has said NOTHING wrong.  NOTHING.  To suggest Obama distance himself from Wright is to give in to the GOP's bullying tactics and diversionary propaganda.  There is nothing to be ashamed of in Wright's remarks aside from the long history of war crimes committed by the United States.

    voto por voto, casilla por casilla!

    by ourobouros on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:52:06 PM PDT

    •  Wirght said a lot of crazy stuff. Give me a break (2+ / 0-)

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      The man is setting up to become another Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton on the expense of Obama.

      •  Why didn't you (4+ / 0-)

        all do this hand wringing when the white revs were saying such crazy assed stuff?  Why is the Wright  stuff so much worse for you?  Because of his association with Obama?  Bush suffered naught from his associations with real kooks.  This needs to be front and centered else we will be held hostage by the right forever more.  We need to break their back.  The only ones going off the deep end here is you all, the right and the TM.  Regular Dems aren't caring as far as I can tell.

        "I'm not sure my snark shovel will stand up to that load." Crashing Vor

        by tobendaro on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:03:16 PM PDT

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      •  I like Jesse Jackson (1+ / 0-)

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        I voted for him ... twice.

        He was a better candidate than some of the milquetoast guys the Dems have put up over the years.

        Obama could do worse than be compared to Jackson, IMO.

        Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

        by slatsg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:03:36 PM PDT

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    •  NOTHING? (0+ / 0-)

      Wright has said that the government of the United States has attempted genocide against it's own citizens by purposefully introducing the AIDS virus into African American populations. Seems to me you have to either believe that is factual, or you have to believe he said something wrong. Which is it?

      •  well... (0+ / 0-)

        if I stated he said nothing wrong, then it means I agree with him, doesn't it?  I also believe the US military introduced the AIDS virus not only into African (not African American) populations, but also into the prison population of the United States.

        voto por voto, casilla por casilla!

        by ourobouros on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:25:02 AM PDT

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        •  Did they also beam instructions (0+ / 0-)

          to the silicon chip inside your head?

          The silicon chip inside your head
          Gets switched to overload
          And nobody's gonna go to school today
          You're going to make them stay at home
          And daddy doesn't understand it
          He always said you were as good as gold
          And he can see no reason
          'Cause there are no reasons
          What reason do you need to be shown?

        •  proof? (0+ / 0-)

          I know it's hard to admit that folks are responsible for their own health but believing in a national genocidal conspiracy is a bit of a stretch. This is the kind of lunacy that loses elections, thank you very much, and it just might lose it for my candidate now, thanks to Rev. Wright. I just think it's so sad when a person's distrust and cynicism has been so acutely nurtured and refined. I mean, How do you even walk out your front door in this country if you believe in that sort of all-prevailing evil? How do you do anything, really if you can't trust a doctor or a teacher, or a police officer, or any civil servant?

  •  oh (0+ / 0-)

    John McCain '08: Putting the "ass" in "assisted living"!

    by foxsucks81 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:52:36 PM PDT

  •  100% true. It is time for Obama to (7+ / 0-)

    destroy Wright crazy rhetoric and totally disown him.

  •  I'm out of patience. (7+ / 1-)

    You, diarist, are an idiot.

    I stand by my original analogy between the Joker and bin Laden and the Riddler and Hussein. -- Greasy Grant

    by TheBlaz on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:52:52 PM PDT

  •  Andre Sullivan: (9+ / 0-)

    I knew he was an exhibitionist; many of his sermons at Trinity, read in their entirety, do fall within the tradition of some prophetic teaching; I can forgive occasional outbursts from fiery preachers; he has done much good in his own neighborhood and his interview with Bill Moyers struck me as defensible; parts of his address at the Press Club were completely uncontroversial and even contained some important truths.

    But what he said today extemporaneously, the way in which he said it, the unrepentant manner in which he reiterated some of his most absurd and offensive views, his attempt to equate everything he believes with the black church as a whole, and his open public embrace of Farrakhan and hostility to the existence of Israel Zionism, make any further defense of him impossible. This was a calculated, ugly, repulsive, vile display of arrogance, egotism, and self-regard.

    •  that is crap (3+ / 0-)

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      pure crap. How can it be so hard for you to hear a man speak his mind? he has an opinion, so what? isn't his message that we all need to get along, to come together, people of all faiths and races for our kids and the planet? Why can't you hear through your fears?

      Say something you don't agree with!

      by Christian Coulon on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:09:58 PM PDT

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    •  "Unrepentent"???? (2+ / 0-)

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      You have got to be kidding me.

      Do you really expect Wright to say, "Sorry Boss, I'm real sorry for not knowing my place"? Good luck with that one.

      Where is good old Andrew when the right wing fundie nut cases are spewing their bile.

      Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

      by slatsg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:12:47 PM PDT

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      •  A lot of people.... (2+ / 0-)

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        ...seem to have an "uppity" problem when it comes with things connected with the Obama campaign.

        Funny, that. Wonder if it's a coincidence.

        Not.

      •  Sullivan takes on "fundie nut cases" all the time (1+ / 0-)

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        Actually, Sullivan regularly and bravely takes "right wing fundie nut cases to task," distinguishing between Christianity (his religion), and Christianism, a fundamentalist political ideology that he abhors.

        Sullivan's willingness to dissent from conservative orthodoxy rather than preach to a choir is worthy of our admiration and emulation.

        Like me, he has mounted a principled defense of Wright in the past, and he continues to defend Obama on principle. But Wright's performance at the Press Club Q & A this morning was indefensible.

        I frankly feel angry on Obama's behalf. Obama refused to denounce Wright, and his attempt to humanize his pastor was an act of political daring. In return, Wright shows no regard for the consequences of his words and actions on Obama's campaign. He today committed a betrayal, a political back stabbing, no less traumatic because unintentional, that I hope will not become an assassination.

        I'm not sure how Obama is going to escape the Reverend's embrace this time. Don't get me wrong: I'm hoping he does, and I don't hold Wright against him, though others will. I see no alternative other than to focus his and our attention elsewhere while we all wait for this morning's National Press Club Q & A to become old news.

        •  If Sullivan takes on all the religious bigots ... (1+ / 0-)

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          then good for him.

          But my point on a double standard is still valid. Senator Clinton's association with the "Family" receives little MSM attention. And McCain? Is there a religious skeleton in his closet? He spoke at Falwell's Liberty University. Will he be asked to renounce the followers of Falwell? I doubt it.

          Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

          by slatsg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:18:34 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, a double standard . . . (1+ / 0-)

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            I've been repeating the same point for weeks--until today. Frankly, I'd like to add Billy Graham (another one of HRC's pastoral advisors) to your list. He also has some ugly sound bites in his closet, but somehow, he's been anointed as the mainstream evangelist, friend of Presidents.

            But note that even McCain and Clinton would be in trouble if their respective pastoral albatrosses took a  turn on the national stage like the one Wright took today. That's why I found his live, unedited appearances last night and this morning far more damaging than the sound bites that played ad nauseum on YouTube and the cable news.

            I thought he did himself and Obama good during his appearance on Moyers. He'd turned hostility into sympathy. He should have stopped there. For the sake of Obama and the country.

  •  we are being invaded! (5+ / 0-)

    Poll worked 7am to 5pm! Ran caucus till 10:30pm! Proud Texas dem!

    by AHiddenSaint on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:54:54 PM PDT

  •  Wright is fine (4+ / 0-)

    Only MSM (especially MSNBC) telling us to be bothered.

  •  I'd think much less of him if he doesn't keep (4+ / 0-)

    roughly the tone he's set so far.  That he won't disown a friend for political gain gets him my respect. I'd like him to keep it.

    Acting on political calculation over principle gave GWB permission to invade Iraq.

  •  I haven't been around today ... (4+ / 0-)

    for all the apparent apocalyptic diaries. If this is typical, no wonder folks are fed up.

    As a non-believer, I don't really care about Rev. Wright's sermons. He has a right to say what he thinks.

    When Senator Clinton rejects her fundie group, and when McCain disassociates himself from the right wing televangical loonies, perhaps then we can lecture Obama about his religious affiliations. Until then ....

    Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

    by slatsg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:59:28 PM PDT

  •  Wright's 'keeping it real'. hahaha. (1+ / 0-)

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    I agree their is no room on the Obama train for that nonsence but he's done enough to distance himself from the uncle with the lamp shade on his head.

  •  Problem is, he can't (0+ / 0-)

    Wright made Obama. He can't disown Wright.

  •  This is the perfect time to cut ties n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Obama/Dean 08 Strong unions for a strong America

    by realwischeese on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:05:43 PM PDT

  •  it's time (2+ / 0-)

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    Obama's response to the initial controversy, weeks ago, was perfect-- and Wright's appearance on Bill Moyers made both Wright, and Obama, look great-- but Wright's talk today couldn't have gone better for McCain if Karl Rove had written the script. Nation of Islam security guards? The US goverment inventing AIDS? Admiration for Farrakhan, who in the minds of many white voters (especially Jewish voters) is on a par with NAMBLA?

    Obama's initial comments this afternoon were exactly right: on the order of 'These aren't my views, and I haven't heard Wright express them, and he isn't me.' But he needs to follow it up, today or tomorrow, with a stronger denunciation: something using the word "Denounce." Something like "I'm sorry that Rev. Wright, whom I once respected so much, has stooped to this level; I agree with nothing he said yesterday, and I want nothing further to do with him." (Disrespectful to a mentor? No more disrespectful than Wright has been today.)

    And then Obama needs to return to his game plan: a statesmanlike, unifying, inspiring run against John McCain.

    Obama would be better for the country, and far better for the party, than Hillary. But Obama needs to show that he can handle attacks in order to win the general: today's Wright appearance is a lot like a saturation attack ad from the VRWC-- in fact, it's become one on cable; the only thing missing is the line about who paid for the message.

    Obama's response to this flap will show us how well he can handle what will get thrown at him-- should he be our nominee- this fall. If he can't take control of the narrative between now and Tuesday, I won't blame the uncommitted supers if they decide to go with a nominee who can.

    •  He should do this (1+ / 0-)

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      But he needs to follow it up, today or tomorrow, with a stronger denunciation: something using the word "Denounce." Something like "I'm sorry that Rev. Wright, whom I once respected so much, has stooped to this level; I agree with nothing he said yesterday, and I want nothing further to do with him." (Disrespectful to a mentor? No more disrespectful than Wright has been today.)

      as part of a broader speech that his advisers wanted him to give this week returning to the inspiring hope and change framework.

      John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

      by IhateBush on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:13:15 PM PDT

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    •  If Obama says anything like that ... (3+ / 0-)

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      he will lose my support.

      He would show himself to be as spinelessas many other Democrats who have been enablers over the last eight years.

      Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

      by slatsg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:16:07 PM PDT

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    •  That's it!! (0+ / 0-)

      and I want nothing further to do with him."

      That is exactly the degree & intensity to which Obama must disown Wright, and it must happen SOON.

  •  Obama's advisers were divided (3+ / 0-)

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    on whether he should make another major speech this week.  I don't think they should be divided anymore.

    Throwing Wright under the bus should be part of the speech, but also returning to the hope and change framework should be part of that speech.

    John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

    by IhateBush on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:10:07 PM PDT

  •  Wright can't help Obama and will only hurt him. (2+ / 0-)

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    It doesn't have anything to do with America not being ready for a minority president. Wright's too controversial.

    Some day real wood furniture will be what only the rich can afford.

    by F64club on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:12:06 PM PDT

  •  This fake concern stinks of racism. (6+ / 0-)

    And I'm white.

    Call me when someone gets excited about all the other nutty preachers out there.

    If not, don't get your panties in a wad if the black guy doesn't do as he's told and crawl when you whistle. Even if he is wrong.

  •  That's going to be a little dificult when Obama (1+ / 0-)

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    just said "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother" in his Important Speech On Race in Philadelphia.

    Although it was hailed as a stunning success, the Philadelphia did nothing to close out this fiasco with Wright out.  If anything, Obama painted himself in a corner with Wright in that speech.

    The time to cut Wright loses was YEARS ago.  It's clear this loon loves the attention and won't shut his mouth, and he's burying Obama in the process.

  •  I came to that same conclusion today (3+ / 0-)

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    As personally painful as it might be...Wright may not give Obama another option but to cut him loose.

    I watched the same programs, I still think Wright is a character, is funny and intelligent, but I have my stakes in the future of this country and with Obama. I could not stomach a Clinton presidency just to maintain a friendship which may have stayed overlong.

    That's what is at stake. I give Barack a lot of credit for trying to salvage that relationship during his race speech. I hope his former pastor will be as kind and not try to hurt Barack.  My gosh he even mentioned the vice presidency today.

    On a religious level and as an Atheist, I've never had much use for such a thing. Today I count my "lucky stars" that I don't.

    I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere ~ Thomas Jefferson

    by valadon on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:15:08 PM PDT

    •  Surrender Democrats (1+ / 0-)

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      We have our marching orders.  Hannity and the Right Wing media have called us out.

      So we must all surrender.

      The funny thing is. These people think they won't dig up some other black guy to scare poor ol whitey.

      Can we now quit calling Democrats in power wimps.

      I am seeing a ton of wimps right here tonight.

      Or are you all scared of black man that speaks out of turn.  Is that it.  

      We have decided here tonight.   We must let white lady win so big, bad, media don't call us bad names.

      You know what.  Go run to Hillary.  The media will not do anything to good, white girl that just want to save whitey from black devil.

  •  Look at all the HRC supporters doing "concern" (2+ / 0-)

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    about Obama, giving him advice, being seriously deadline carrying"if you don't x,y,z,cut Wright and denounce him to all his accusers on the RW talk shows,the race is over!!!!.

    Yeah, right.   You are so thoughtful and prescient and have your finger on the pulse of what ticks and all the important people and pundits are in agreement with you.

    McCain has to have conferences trying to pick a fight or do something  exciting about Obama because no one is paying attention to much of his silly issue talk.

    The Democrats have several weeks to play this out.
    Reverend Wright footnotes  this, an interesting footnote, but that's it.

    The worst thing for a smear campaign where people have been sucked in and lied to  (the sound bites) is for it to have an exposure or the inside story come out .  Then there will be some  blowback.

    Obama will be all right.

    John McCain: a survivor, not a hero. Just ask his first wife. He had his chance to be a hero and blew it.

    by Pete Rock on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:20:39 PM PDT

  •  Jeremiah Wright speaks for himself. (2+ / 0-)

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    He does not represent the Obama campaign in any way, shape, or form. He is not even pastor of Trinity anymore. It's like a father-son relationship -- Obama learned a lot from Wright, who was instrumental in his development as a person. But now, Obama is striking out on his own. It's normal for people to feel like they're irrelevant during this process of separation. What we have to do is make clear that Dr. Wright speaks for himself and that the issues that matter are the fact that we need a unified party to face John McCain, who is simply too radical for this country.

  •  I'm won't even voie for Clinton over McCain (0+ / 0-)

    but Obama needs to do the full cut. He could preface it with the I've tried not to do this because he was a freind BUT it's clear that my freind has become more radical with his comments ect..... Obama can say overtime some of Wrights comments have stopped becoming simply contraversial but are now bordering on ridiculous.

    After Obama's eighth straight victory, Penn told reporters: "Winning Democratic primaries is not a qualification or a sign of who can win the general election.

    by nevadadem on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:32:34 PM PDT

    •  You Think That Will Stop It (2+ / 0-)

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      You think that if Obama kisses the ass of racists and disowns Wright it will stop anything.

      What planet have you been on for the past twenty years.

      They will dig up some other scary black guy to scare poor old whitey.

      So either fight back, or join McCain.

      White Bread Express pulling out.

  •  The Media Does NOT Own Me (1+ / 0-)

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    The media does not own me.  The RNC does not own me.  And the racists in America don't own me.

    Hell NO.  I will not disown Rev. Wright.

    Got it. Good.  

    Now go back to kissing Hannity's ass.

  •  Let This Be a Lesson (2+ / 0-)

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    Never join a church and pretend to believe in god for political purposes.

    It will come back and bite you in the ass.

    (Wright knows exactly what happened.)

    Pluto now orbits Overnight News Digest ʍou sʇıqɹo oʇnld

    by Pluto on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:41:10 PM PDT

    •  Tell Me What Church You Are In (1+ / 0-)

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      Hey Pluto.  Tell me what Church you are in, so I never join it.

      You got the Hannity talking points down perfectly.

      Very good.  Now join the White Bread express where everyone lies for their god.

      Because that is all you are doing.

      He was in the church for 20 years braindead.  And he was not running for President 20 years ago.

      And I doubt anyone cared about his religion when he was a state senator.

      Religious hypocrites you have a new king.  King Pluto.   Telling lies in the name of God.

      Good job.  I will tell Hannity you have done your job.

      •  Obama Used the Church... (0+ / 0-)

        ...to climb the political ladder in Chicago.

        (At least, that's my view. Comon, Obama is Harvard-educated. No way he believed any of this silly bible crap.)

        Pluto now orbits Overnight News Digest ʍou sʇıqɹo oʇnld

        by Pluto on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:48:31 PM PDT

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        •  Then YOU are a liar (1+ / 0-)

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          IF you believe that. You are a flat out liar.

          And you know more about Obama's religion then he does, why?

          Because you say so.  Oh thank you for the brilliant political analysis.

          The same analysis Sean Hannity says every day.

          Obama speaks for himself. You parrot Sean Hannity.

          You are a liar and a hypocrite.

          •  It Never Occurred to Hannity... (0+ / 0-)

            ...that Obama doesn't believe in god. (Hope that lard ass isn't reading this.)

            Hell, you can't become President of the United States if Jesus isn't your "saviour." Disgusting, but true.

            Obama is a lot smarter than you give him credit for.

            Pluto now orbits Overnight News Digest ʍou sʇıqɹo oʇnld

            by Pluto on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:56:29 PM PDT

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