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Is it time to Wright a wrong? Updated x2

Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:04:18 AM PDT

Before I begin, let me say that I’m sure I’ll get a few "concern troll" comments and many people may vehemently oppose what I am about to say. This isn’t a "chicken little" rant, I don’t think the sky is falling, and I’m not taking a ride on the "OMG Barack is gonna lose b/c of 2 days worth of bad press" train. I am not, IMO, overly concerned nor overreacting, as I am simply addressing thoughts that I have calmly and rationally mulled over during the past 24 hours both alone and with friends and family. So, in essence, I am posting this diary to share my own conflicting feelings and to see if anyone in this community shares my sentiments.

Is it time for Barack Obama to end this Wright fiasco once and for all, should he just let it ride until the news cycle burns out, and if so does he have the time and/or luxury to do so?

More after the jump.

As an African American female, I was not overly concerned with the original Reverend Wright flap. I’ve personally experienced the type of preaching performed by Reverend Wright, although I am now agnostic, and have felt that the whole big-to-do was basically a cultural issue, a difference of opinions, and something that would pretty much fade into obscurity. For the most part, that was the case. Obama wasn’t seriously hurt by the "scandal" and he didn’t have to throw his pastor under the bus to walk away relatively unscathed. All was good. No harm no foul.

When Reverend Wright made his Moyer appearances on Friday and his speech to the NAACP on Sunday, I developed a much more favorable view of him. I thought that the publicity could only help, as his name and sermons were not going to magically disappear, but at least he showed that there is more to him than the "God D*mn America" soundbite that has been running in a continuous loop for nearly a month. I viewed most of the live National Press Club speech Monday morning, and again came away with the opinion that little harm was done. Wright had finally demonstrated that he’s not some big scary black militant...if only he had stopped there.

Yesterday afternoon, when I had the opportunity to view the full question and answer segment following the NPC speech, I started to reconsider my initial appraisal. It wasn’t until viewing his behavior after his speech, which in my opinion was obnoxious, narcissistic, and cartoonish, that I began to feel as if he was causing more harm than good. He literally personified the "shuck-and-jive" stereotype. His behavior was so over the top that it negated whatever positive points he had just addressed and only reinforced the negative opinion that most of his detractors share. While I personally agreed with some of the points he was trying to make, his delivery overshadowed the importance of his words.

So my question is, what is Obama to do? Does he continue to skirt around the issue, the race speech notwithstanding, or does he distance himself from Wright now that he’s gotten a second chance to do so? He is stuck in a very precarious position. He can continue to support his ties to the pastor he defended (who has since insinuated that Barack was pandering and "doing what politicians do," therefore undercutting the main theme of Obama’s candidacy), take the opportunity to make a clean break from Wright and his views (which may upset African American voters and also appear to be pandering), or do nothing at all and hope that this episode shall pass as well? If Obama chooses to continue his stance by Wright’s side, will it be advantageous or detrimental to his candidacy? The issue is more than just the scrutiny of his ties to a controversial figure, it’s also an assessment of how he handles difficult situations and how well he recovers from negative press. Voters and Superdelegates are watching.

My major concern is that Wright is not going anywhere. He’s gotten the national spotlight and plans to milk it for everything it’s worth. He’s got the opportunity to make a ton of money on speaking engagements and pimp his upcoming book at the same time. He has no initiative to stand down. He comes off as being a little full of himself and his behavior was not appealing. I understand his desire to speak out and defend himself against unfair criticism, but that can be done without driving a deeper wedge between the fractions of our party and our nation. It just seems that his actions are self-serving, and I am concerned as to how far his preening will go.

Our nation has serious issues concerning race relations, which are boiling just under the surface of our society’s politically correct exterior. This campaign has, unfortunately, brought out the worst in some people and we have a long way to go in healing the rifts in the country (as well as this party). It’s wonderful that Barack Obama gave an eloquent speech on race, which wouldn't have occurred had Wright not become a campaign issue, but he can’t be expected to give a ground-breaking speech every time Wright says something inflammatory. There are too many Americans that have negative views about people of different races, religions, gender, and sexual orientation and we definitely need to have an open dialogue about it. But the people who will not vote for Obama because of his race are not going to change their minds by listening to Wright, and they will not be swayed by Obama’s pretty speeches, as much as I do love them. Actions speak a lot louder than words. You can’t just tell someone that a black POTUS will not threaten white America, you have to show them. The most effective way to combat racism and attempt to eliminate bigotry is by example, which President Obama will provide with his policies and conduct in the White House.  

I personally don’t find Reverend Wright, or his statements, to be offensive. But I am not part of the constituency that the campaign needs attract. Obama needs the support of crossover Republicans and Independents, and these are the people whom I believe may be turned off by Wright’s behavior. Since there is no way to silence Wright or make him go away, Obama may have to denounce his behavior. The rhetoric about race from the ‘60s is not an effective method to promote equality and acceptance in today’s society. The rowdy, rah-rah approach of Wright and his contemporaries are battling today’s war with yesterday’s weapons. We need to address race in a way that does not scare people away. We need to encourage people to open their minds and hearts by accentuating our similarities without exploiting our differences. We need a new approach. We need a new dialogue. We need a new leader. We need Barack Obama.

UPDATE: Obama is taking on Wright right now in press conference. A few quotes below:

"Wright doesn't know me and based on what he said yesterday, I don't know him well either"  

"...his views offend me, and have rightfully offended many Americans, and therefore should be denounced"

UPDATE #2
: Is this thing gonna get ugly? Why do I have the feeling that Wright's going to come back swinging? A few more choice quotes:

"Reverend Wright doesn’t speak for me, he doesn’t speak for my for campaign..."

"When I say I find these comments appalling, I mean it. It contradicts everything that I am about."

"...completely opposed to what I stand for and what I want for this country."

"he somehow thinks it’s appropriate to command the stage for 3 or 4 days..."

"When I watched it, it became clear to me that it was more than just him defending himself. He’s presenting a worldview that contradicts what I stand for."

"His suggestions that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing..."

"The person I saw yesterday was no the person I’ve come to know over the past 20 years."

"I did not vet my pastor before I decided to run for office. I was a member of a church...I didn’t scrutinize everything he’d said over the past 30 years...I don’t think anyone can attribute those ideas to me."

"What mattered to Wright was him commanding center stage."

"I want to use this press conference to make things very clear."

"I want to make it absolutely clear that I do not prescribe to the views he presented...I do not want them attributed to me."

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  •  Tips/flames/civil discussion (I’m prepared (12+ / 0-)

    PUMA = Petty Unforgiving Misguided A$$holes!

    by Kelly of PA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:04:17 AM PDT

  •  I'll say it one more time... (5+ / 0-)

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    ...in every Wright diary if I have to:

    The Whole Wright "Controversy"...

    ...is, plain and simple, McCarthyism 101.  It is guilt-by-association, something that is ugly and UNAMERICAN!  Why does the media make it seem that any criticism of John McLame is an attack on the military, yet they attack Wright, a Marine WHO SAVED A PRESIDENT'S LIFE, with ruthless abandon?  So bring it on Clinton/McCain neocon cabal!  The more we talk about Wright, the more we expose the racism that still exists in this country, especially in the so-called conservative media, and the better the chance to END the political smear tactics of douchebags like KKKarl Rove...

    I want my Two Dollars!

    by Ken in MN on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:09:03 AM PDT

    •  I try to tell myself (0+ / 0-)

      that McCain will get more scrutiny once someone is actually campaigning against him full-time. Maybe if I keep telling myself over and over it'll come true. (sort of like what Hillary does)

      **Sorry, let that one slip. bad Kelly!**

      PUMA = Petty Unforgiving Misguided A$$holes!

      by Kelly of PA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:25:56 AM PDT

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    •  Yes it's McCarthyism (1+ / 0-)

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      and I'm sure most here would agree. But taking a principled stand on this will NOT get Obama elected.

      I personally have no problem with Rev Wright. My father called me on Sunday after watching Wright on TV to tell me how impressed he was by the man. We had a good rant together about how insane people are to be crucifying him like this, and how evil the MSM is.

      The problem is that the press has been crucifying Wright AND Obama and that is unlikely to stop until Obama pushes Wright away.

      What seems so bizarre to me is that Wright is obviously a very smart guy, he has to know what effect this is having on Obama's campaign. Either he is so self absorbed that he really doesn't care, or maybe he is doing this intentionally to give Obama permission to cut him loose.

      "Leap, and the net will appear." -- John Burroughs

      by somtam on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:43:00 AM PDT

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  •  The question i come back to is: (0+ / 0-)

    How?  Give me 30 or 50 or 100 words Obama can say.

    •  I'm not sure... (1+ / 0-)

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      I really am torn over the issue. On one hand, I think he needs to let Wright go, on the other hand, I feel as if that goes against what Obama stands for. I guess we'll find out at his press conference this afternoon.

      PUMA = Petty Unforgiving Misguided A$$holes!

      by Kelly of PA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:24:09 AM PDT

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  •  I agree with you (2+ / 0-)

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    I saw Rev. Wright yesterday when he spoke at the National Press gathering. I thought Rev. Wright was full of himself and REALLY enjoyed the attention. The more applause he received the more he made faces and gave flippant answers.
    I do agree with quite of bit of what he says about our government.  However, for Barack's sake, he needs to STFU. Instead I feel he loves the attention too much  and sees an opportunity to promote himself at Barack's expense.  

  •  I thought he was over the top yesterday too (1+ / 0-)

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    Sometime very funny and sometimes not.  I also think he's a great man who's given his life to serving the causes we profess and that we do our entire movement a grave diservice when we refuse to stand up for one of our own.  

    We, here, are mostly endorsing the rightwing framing of this.  No matter what faults he has (and everybody has those) he is a hero of our values, a man who has fed and housed people, stood up for justice and spoken out passionately for peace.  When we denounce someone like that, we are being cowards and hypocrites.

    •  I still think Wright betrayed BO. (1+ / 0-)

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      He knew what he was doing. He is intelligent. the NPC spectacle was unnecessary after the astute yet candid interview he gave to Bill Moyers and the fantastic NAACP speech.

      •  He should've quit while he was ahead. n/t (1+ / 0-)

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        PUMA = Petty Unforgiving Misguided A$$holes!

        by Kelly of PA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:29:25 AM PDT

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      •  Much as I hate to say it (1+ / 0-)

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        Barack betrayed him first.  He sort of damned him with faint praise in the Philly speech and has continued to do that ever since.  Wright played a major part in the development of Obama's politics and personality (almost a father figure to him).  

        I don't really like he (Wright) is doing now, but I can understand where it comes from.  He must feel betrayed not only by Barack but all of us on the socalled left who have failed to defend him.  

        BTW, he's a cornerstone of our most loyal group of voters.  It's that way because of the work he and others like him have been doing over the last 40 years.  He deserves our respect even if he doesn't always deserve our agreement.

    •  I agree he's a hero, and agree with most of his (3+ / 0-)

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      views. But I think that through the eye's of everyday Americans, not just republicans, his behavior yesterday played to the least common denominator. It was what close-minded people would expect of a black precher.

      PUMA = Petty Unforgiving Misguided A$$holes!

      by Kelly of PA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:28:39 AM PDT

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  •  Great diary. I totally agree, (2+ / 0-)

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    and went through the same thought process as you have. I thought Wright's appearances up until the Q&A session may have been positive overall, and I thought he really humanized himself and gave some pretty good speeches. The Q&A was not good, and I had the same negative impressions as you did, which then made me question Wright's motivation in doing this. Is it a publicity stunt that is meant to give him a bigger payout for his book deal by getting national attention in the media and at the same time getting back at Obama --- because it has been reported that there were bad feelings towards Obama for him disinviting him to his Presidential bid announcement and then about the comments he made during his Philadelphia race speech. So even though Obama didn't do the easy political thing by denouncing him then, Wright turns around and throws Obama under the bus?! This isn't a private squabble, this affects a historic candidate who is currently the frontrunner for President of the United States!!!

    Wright is a smart man -- I think he knew that this would hurt Obama, and is too selfish and possibly jealous to care. He jokingly said he could be the V.P., and the Republicans are ridiculously tying them together as if he was on the ticket! So here you have Wright seeming to coordinate his attack with the GOP and Hillary's campaign. A top Hillary supporter was who arranged for Wright to speak at the National Press Club, by the way.

    I think Obama has to more forcefully distance himself from this man permanently, no matter how difficult that is to do -- otherwise, he will have to deal with all future statements that may come from him in the future (which is likely, since it appears he likes the attention and the national pulpit). He also then needs to somehow redirect the focus of the news cycle on something else, and emphasize the game that the GOP, media, and his opponents are playing on the public -- again, trying to dupe them and influence the election to suit their interests rather than the people's interests. They pretend to be in touch with the people and play to people's fears, prejudices and divisions to distract them from the issues that most matter to their daily lives. He needs to speak plainly and simply to the American people to, in gentler terms, wake up and smell the coffee about how some of us are being manipulated yet again -- and can suffer dire consequences for many years to come if the distractions are successful. And for what? Because of stuff a pastor says that the candidate totally disagrees with and denounces -- while ignoring what Hagee, Parsley and other GOP religious media pundits have said that are worse? He needs to point out how big a struggle this is and why the establishment and corporate elite (including the media) are attacking so hard to stop his Presidency: because they know his Presidency will be about the people, not about them anymore.

    Sorry for the length of this rant, but I feel a little better now.

    We can't let up on the fight -- not one inch!

    •  Glad you feel better. (2+ / 0-)

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      Sometimes you have to let it out...You're spot-on about the media's double standard. Either you persecute all controversial religious leaders or you leave them all alone. A lot of this has to do with the way the mainstream views the black church. It's totally foreign to them and therefore less important. I think that is what Wright was trying to get across yesterday. It would've been much more effective if he hadn't followed his speech with such childish behavior. He is completely capitalizing on his connection to Obama. And I agree that this is a sort of payback to Obama because Wright feels slighted.

      PUMA = Petty Unforgiving Misguided A$$holes!

      by Kelly of PA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:49:55 AM PDT

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      •  By the way, Kelly (0+ / 0-)

        Thank you for a very thoughtful diary.  I disagree with you in regard to how I personally received Wright in his various talks over the weekend.  (That said, even as a Clinton supporter, I have defended Wright in the past.  Before his recent appearances, I did come to believe that his treatment in the media was unfair).  I have written diaries lately here that have received only hatred and thoughtless responses, which is unforunate; I am glad that Kos has people like you who are willing to engage all points of view and hear out the other side.  

        •  Thanks PrnCaspian! (1+ / 0-)

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          You're not alone in your feelings. I've written pro-Obama diaries and comments and have had fellow Obama supporters be really negative. (you're stupid, what a waste of time, duh...like this is really breaking) It can be really frustrating.

          I'm always glad to share opinions/debate views with anyone, regardless of who they support, as long as it's civil. No bashing other people's supporters. I'm working on the no bashing candidates thing...I put a small dig in a comment above. Sorry.

          PUMA = Petty Unforgiving Misguided A$$holes!

          by Kelly of PA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:22:08 AM PDT

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      •  YES! (0+ / 0-)

        KELLY: HE IS ADDRESSING THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW LIVE!!

  •  I have no problem with Wright (0+ / 0-)

    when I hear what he truly said in context.

    MSM is a sad joke that is trying to swift-boat Obama via highly selective and edited soundbytes from Wright's sermons.  If they didn't use Wright, they'd find something else.

    Obama addressed this properly in his Philly race speech.  Obama needs to stand his ground and on principle.

    Bush/Cheney are their thugs need to be thrown under the bus, not Wright. Bush/Cheney and the GOP supported torture not Rev Wright.

    •  How can you have no problem with both? (0+ / 0-)

      I feel that over the course of the weekend, after hearing the full cuts of Wright's speeches, I personally do have a problem with Wright even when the context is added.  I respect those who agree with him, although I am willing to engage them on why they consider Wright so acceptable.  I am also willing to engage others about the political ramifications of this--and I feel that it's less the MSM, and more Wright himself who is placing himself in the limelight and tying himself to Barack Obama's future.  Wright has consciously put himself out there amidst a contentious Democratic primary, and the MSM--not surprisingly--is covering it.

      I feel that if you agree with the tone and content of Obama's Philly speech, then there is no way you can find Wright's presentations appealing on the whole.  Sure, the black community has legitimate historic grievances that we should certainly address.  The question is how we address them.  Obama, in his speech, rightly said that Wright's problem was his static view of race relations and racial differences.  Over the course of the weekend, Wright came out and instead of heeding Barack's words--instead of talking about what we ultimately have in common to bring ALL races together to the table of brotherhood--harped on a singular message, "Different, not deficient."  The phrase is not disagreeable on its face, but it implies that all differences--regardless of what kind--need not be explored or explained or rectified.  Instead, it is what it is--blacks and whites are just different.  Sure, there are differences in culture that ought to be celebrated (see music); yet we cannot forget the appeal of hip-hop and jazz to whites.  

      But Wright lumps all differences into the same static category:  most notably, he wants us to believe that blacks and whites learn differently.  He wasn't talking about culture here, so much as innate biological differences in learning:  he associated blacks with "right-brain" learning and whites with "left-brain" learning.  This approach is not only unsupported by a consensus of the scientific community, but it is the underpinning of biological racism.  Nevermind the fact that blacks and whites have unbelievable genetic diversity within their respective "races"--i.e. some of our best English speakers and analytical thinkers are black, and some of our musical geniuses are white.  Children of all colors benefit from the use of both hemispheres of their brain.  

      Whether he knows it or not, Wright's accentuation of differences--even given the refrain that they are not deficient--only serves to racialize our culture, and perpetuate lines of division based on color.

  •  I like Jeremiah Wright (1+ / 0-)

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    and I am not too into anybody's preacher man. But he is an interesting guy and gives a very entertaining and informative look into black church culture. (And I agree with him on a lot of points.) And I do not blame him in the least for taking  all of the smears that have been thrown at him and responding the way he is right now.

    I just don't see why Jeremiah Wright is such a big deal.  Obama severed Wright from his campaign. That's enough. Jeremiah Wright is not making decisions for Obama's campaign.

    Isn't it strange that  Jeremiah Wright who has spent  his whole life doing a lot of good things to lift people up and improve their lives is getting smeared. He served his country too.  Hillary and McCain both have lobbyists on their campaign teams who are working against the best interests of the American people and the person who gets all the press attention for being "damaging" to a candidate is Jeremiah Wright. Go figure.

    You all can just carry on over the preacher man, if you want. As for me, I am going to spend less time fear-mongering on these scary blogs and more time putting in my depression garden. At least we can eat zucchini (if we can afford the water).

  •  THERE WAS A TIME WRIGHT WAS RESPECTED! (1+ / 0-)

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    As for Rev. Wright's part, it seems he was tempted and took the bite to take part in this media blitz, surely knowing it would cause more sensation and not be helpful to Barack Obama, by Hillary supporter, Rev. Dr. Barbara Reynolds from Maryland.  Who has endorsed Hillary on her website -- Reynoldsnews.com!

    There are Hillary surrogates who have connections to Rev. Wright (1)surrogate, Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, is also a devotee of Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright; that he's been preaching at her home church, where she is actively involved, annually for the past 15 years and has an open invitation to return, and, that she sat in the pews for his visits and did not bat an eye? AND  (2) Hillary surrogate, Rev. Marcia Dyson was not only a longtime member of Trinity United Church of Christ but also still considers Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright her pastor? And,(3) lastly Hillary Clinton whoduring Bill's Impeachment turned to Rev. Wright for Prayer and Support and invite him to the White House? --

    Alas, I believe it is now time for an amicable Parting of the Ways between Barack and Rev. Wright who has definitely put a sword in his side. I now understand why Barack thinks some people are bitter -- he has been conditioned to think that way by the bitterness of his former Pastor, to think that some people are bitter, although Barack was not subject to this bitterness himself but was able to overcome this conditioning and escape it rahter incorporating ther engery of  inspiration goodwill and hope instead!  I hope we the people will not be blindsided by this onslaught directed at this Candidate of Change and Hope we have in Barack Obama and miss the boat again by allowing him to be "Swiftboated"!

  •  He's denouncing Wright right now (0+ / 0-)

    in live press conference. I put a few quotes in an update.

    PUMA = Petty Unforgiving Misguided A$$holes!

    by Kelly of PA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:08:24 AM PDT

  •  I was glad to hear from Jeremiah Wright, (1+ / 0-)

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    first on Bill Moyers and then his very entertaining speech before the NAACP on CNN. I enjoyed his presentation. To me he came off as a beautiful, intelligent, committed, brilliant man. I also agree that the spotlight seems to have gone to his head. Hopefully he'll catch his balance, although being a curmudgeon seems to be an integral part of his character. I think it's good he's out there. People will get used to him, eventually come to accept him, and even begin to learn from the considerable wisdom that he is pouring into the national conversation. I like that he refuses to be marginalized. He belongs in the mainstream. The values he represents need to be championed. He is hammering home points that have been too long neglected. He reminds me in some ways of Al Sharpton, a bit of a huckster perhaps, but passionately committed to principles that few others are bothering to defend. Last Democratic convention Sharpton's speech was head and shoulders above anything that anyone else had to say. For all his flaws he kept the soul of the party alive, was the only one who dared speak the truth. As for what Barack Obama's response should be, well of course that's up to him, but I think Pastor Wright had it right when he said that a pastor is a pastor and a politician is a politician. They each do their own thing, each in their own sphere. Barack is not responsible for Jeremiah Wright, nor need he make excuses for his association with that beautiful man. All he really needs to do is be honest and it will all sort itself out. Thank you for a good and thoughtful diary.

    "Your point. Their village." --Zhivago to Strelnikov

    by ailanthus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:29:17 AM PDT

  •  It's time for Barak (1+ / 0-)

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    to put a stop to this.

    He needs to answer all Wright questions with a retort that paints this media circus for what it is - then get back to the issues that are important to the American people.

    Let Wright posture and preen as much as he wants to - but get back on the positive track that appeals to so many of us - and answer the Wright questions by dismissing them as answered, as old news.

    Obama's greatest strength is that he appeals to our higher selves.  After 8 years of national rolling in the pig sty, we Americans are attracted to the man who stays on the high road, sticks to high principles and ideals, lifts us up and makes us hopeful.

    Barak has got to answer all the silly crap that is coming down the pike now and in the GE with an attitude that wonders why the media wants to slop around in the mud when the American people want to clean up and move forward.

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