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Clear thinking about Obama from . . . . Peggy Noonan?

Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:38:55 AM PDT

It is counterproductive to declaim - repeatedly and shrilly - that Barack Obama's imperfections as a candidate for President of the United States are inconsequential, or the fabrications of his opponents or of the media, traditional, faux, main stream or otherwise.  
It is dismissive of the electorate who votes for Clinton in the primaries.  It is unresponsive and dangerous to imagine that voters' reluctance to fully endorse Obama is not real and heartfelt.  It needs to be addressed.

Peggy Noonan says it bluntly in the WSJ:

Hillary Clinton is not Barack Obama's problem. America is Mr. Obama's problem.

As I've said in an early diary, a campaign for the presidency is the longest, most grueling job interview in the world. The American public is the human resources hiring committee and they are a diverse, fickle and emotional group.  Their concerns and preferences are not always clearly understood or stated aloud.  We try to infer them by the choices they make.  The qualifications for the job may change while the interview is taking place.  The process is not linear, wholly rational or even fair.  But it works . . . mostly.

I am an fervent Obama supporter.  I am sure some burning souls will doubt me, because I have the temerity to cite Peggy Noonan, a Reagan speechwriter (oh the horror!)as an authoritative voice on the subject of Obama's shortcomings as a candidate.  To those whose reactions are formed before they actually READ the entire diary I say . . .  feh!  Your loss.  Of all those who I've watched and read during this historic presidential campaign, I have been stunned to find myself often agreeing with Peggy Noonan.  I am as surprised as anyone.

I admire Obama's ability to stay above the fray but it comes with risks.

He has been tagged as a snooty lefty, as the glamorous, ambivalent candidate from Men's Vogue, the candidate who loves America because of the great progress it has made in terms of racial fairness. Fine, good. But has he ever gotten misty-eyed over . . . the Wright Brothers and what kind of country allowed them to go off on their own and change everything? How about D-Day, or George Washington, or Henry Ford, or the losers and brigands who flocked to Sutter's Mill, who pushed their way west because there was gold in them thar hills? There's gold in that history.

An African-American candidate must balance on the razor's edge of emotional rhetoric.  We have seen how quickly Obama's opponents have tried to link him to the oratorical excesses of Rev. Wright or dismiss him as a Rev. Jesse Jackson redux, whose oratorical style was never going to appeal to the general electorate.

We like Obama because he is eloquent and cool; not cool as in hip but cool as in rational, measured, calculating. After 8 years of listening to a president who is constitutionally incapable of eloquence, who has lowered the standard for presidential speech to shouting in a bullhorn about revenge, I am ready for someone who can compose an articulate paragraph which has the potential to appeal to our higher, rather than our most base, national instincts.

Obama needs to appeal on an emotional plane to those parts of the electorate who don't see the full appeal of detached analysis and competence.  He needs to convince them he has the fire to fight, as Hillary does.  Bush's incompetence and unwillingness to listen and respond to the electorate has created an enormous opportunity that must be exploited.  But it needs to be an emotional appeal.

Here's some comfort for him, for all Democrats. In Lubbock, Texas – Lubbock Comma Texas, the heart of Texas conservatism – they dislike President Bush. He has lost them. I was there and saw it. Confusion has been followed by frustration has turned into resentment, and this is huge. Everyone knows the president's poll numbers are at historic lows, but if he is over in Lubbock, there is no place in this country that likes him. I made a speech and moved around and I was tough on him and no one – not one – defended or disagreed. I did the same in North Carolina recently, and again no defenders. I did the same in Fresno, Calif., and no defenders, not one.

I hope, for the sake of the nation and the Democratic Party, that Barack Obama succeeds in securing the nomination and is then elected President.  I believe he is, far and away, the best hope we have for changing the direction of this country in a meaningful, durable way.  But he has alot of work left to do in persuading the American electorate.  

As a supporter, I feel obligated to criticize his campaign.  That's what a   supporter should do.  We have had two terms of lock-step Republicanism, where dissent was equated with heresy.  Where debate was considered disloyal.  Where consistency of message was worshiped and the acknowledgement of mistakes was considered weakness.  Enough.

If Obama is to succeed he needs to adapt.  He needs to build upon the resume and charisma which got him this far.  He needs to add emotional flesh the framework of his electoral persona that has succeeded thus far.

This is an opportunity, for Mr. Obama needs an Act II. Act II is hard. Act II is where the promise of Act I is deepened, the plot thickens, and all is teed up for resolution and meaning. Mr. Obama's Act I was: I'm Obama. He enters the scene. Act III will be the convention and acceptance speech. After that a whole new drama begins. But for now he needs Act II. He should make his subject America.

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  •  That's exactly what he was doing...until... (14+ / 0-)

    the MSM, and the Clintons, decided to try to frame him as the "black" candidate.

    Listen to his speeches, from the start of the campaign and all the way to New Hampshire.

    The main was railroaded.

  •  Will people STOP rehabilitating right wing idiots (5+ / 0-)

    because you agree with one thing they say or because they say one thing nice about your canidate?
    Noonan, Sullivan, et al - - - they are NOT our friends!

    John McCain says he'd be happy to see our troops in Iraq for another hundred years. I just can't agree with that.

    by Barry in MIA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:43:17 AM PDT

  •  Duh - see Hunter's response (0+ / 0-)

    Damn George Bush! Damn everyone that won't damn George Bush! Damn every one that won't put lights in his window and sit up all night damning George Bush!

    by brainwave on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:48:46 AM PDT

    •  Thanks. I missed it. Though I disagree w/Hunter (0+ / 0-)

      We can all bemoan the fact that people talk about this shit but THEY DO!

      Get over it.  This is what passes for political discourse during a presidential campaign.

      Go ahead and continue denouncing it while you get your ass kicked up and down the metaphorical Main Street of the media.

      I'm sure that it'll be very comforting to all Obama's supporters that he ran a lofty, idealistic campaign, while Hillary or McCain occupies the effing White House!

  •  Prologue as Act II? (3+ / 0-)

    But for now he needs Act II. He should make his subject America.

    I was fortunate enough over the past few weeks to set some time aside to read both Dreams of My Father and Audacity of Hope

    for any Obama supporter, i urge You to read these if You haven't already -- for any Obama hater -- i urge You to read these if You haven't already -- for any fence sitter, i urge You to read these if You haven't already

    These tracts provide a context and depth to Obama that all the MSM and/or campaigning just is insufficient to providing

    i think they fill out a lot that is otherwise difficult to grasp ... as has been observed before, Obama is the candidate that allows for many, both pro and con i think, to fill in the details; i think these two books go a long way to help fill out the details on what i think is a far more complicated candidate and candidacy that many allow for

    and ... within those two books, he most definitely :

    make(s) his subject America.

    •  Good luck getting the majority of voters to (1+ / 0-)

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      read two books.

      OR Obama could figure out a way to bring more of that side of himself out on the campaign trail.

      •  in all honesty (0+ / 0-)

        i do NOT expect the 'majority of voters' to read 2 books -- though, i would HOPE that activist supporters of Obama (such as would be likely found on blogs) would -- or alternatively listen to the audio versions

        additionally -- i would REALLY like people that are commenting on him to at least know what and where the heck he is coming from

        so, while i have no illusions of EVERYONE reading or accessing this information -- i think it would be useful for those most active in commenting to have some common level of understanding

        again, i think he is a far more complicated candidate than we have seen in awhile (whom we are ALL likely to fill in with our individual hopes or demons such as the case may be)

        i believe that his complexity is unfortunately interpreted as aloofness though ...

        •  I agree. . . so that is his challenge, to dispel (1+ / 0-)

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          an air of aloofness.  

          Isn't it odd that a charge of elitism has never stuck to Bush, though he is a frat boy twit in every way?

        •  Right and it is up to him to figure out a way (1+ / 0-)

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          to project the softer side of himself on the campaign trail.

          "Cool" was the attract - warm will be what makes him a "keeper".

          As for the books - I don't really believe that they have a significant enough impact on the large majority of the electorate to make them relevant in a discussion of his campaign style and content.  Books are a different medium entirely from campaigning.

          The standard method of running for the Presidency is campaigning mostly in live/televised appearances.  His warmth is not coming through right now in that format.  I think it is because he is tired actually.  He better get over that and work on connecting better with voters who are tenative about him.  No one said this would be easy.  Well, some people did, but they were wrong.  Running for president is really, really hard work - and these days always a lot harder for a Dem.

          •  it IS difficult (0+ / 0-)

            i think it is a VERY difficult task to convey one's ideas through a political campaign

            BUT, i would expect that political commentators be expected to take enough interest to 'round out' their perceptions beyond JUST what is presented on the campaign trail -- afterall, i firmly believe that the 'majority of voters' do not even pay attention to the campaigns themselves, rather the coverage of the campaigns

            but to exemplify my point is the recent 'debate' regarding Obama's fox noise appearance - i finally got around to watching that this morning -- and i saw nothing there that was 'gaffilicious' or anything extraordinary either ...

            i do think that he is an excellent politician and a good campaigner -- but i think one difficulty that he DOES face is that, by and large as a result of a ratings driven corporate media, politicians are REWARDED for polarizing and divisive stances and that particular style of campaigning he feels, i believe, ill suits his perspective ...

            so, i agree ... he does face some difficulties ... and i truly hope that he is able to overcome them -- while maintaining a firm grounding in where his core political and policy understandings come from ...

  •  The MSM will be (3+ / 0-)

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    swiftboating Obama 24/7 until November.  Unless their wet dream comes true and they manage to get Hillary nominated.  The GOP really really want McSame to run against Hillary.

    Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts, hot ashes for trees, hot earth for a cool breeze?

    by minerva1157 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:53:29 AM PDT

    •  Do you think that the Republicans have (1+ / 0-)

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      something very bad on Hillary Clinton that once they reveal it there will be no chance on earth that she is going to win?

      •  gee, you think they (4+ / 0-)

        need MORE than what we already know?  I dont.

        Mrs. Teasdale: I held him in my arms and kissed him. Rufus T. Firefly: Oh, I see, then it was murder!

        by ratador on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:09:05 AM PDT

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      •  They do. Something very very bad. (0+ / 0-)

        She's Hillary Clinton.

        That's the kind of thing that could make an otherwise apathetic voter hustle down to the polls to tap the touchscreen for McSame.

        "Some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok." - Barack Obama

        by Joe Beese on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:17:56 AM PDT

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      •  I don't know if they have a really bad thing but (0+ / 0-)

        they have many true bad sounding things they would use that I fear would work.
        Sort of funny that when I "vetted" the candidates to make my choice months ago there were already rumors if the things Obama has been hit with. The Chicago paper kept him under scrutiny so they weren't hard to really check out. I knew Rezko, Wright and Ayers would come up but they weren't indicative if any problem with Obama. (I forget truth isn't what matters)

        With Clinton I found post-presidency issues that were of real concern if not cleared up and these were in papers like Washington Post, NY Times, Newsweek though I never heard about them on TV. When she threw the name Rezko at the debate I thought they must have gotten cleared up or she wouldn't have dared but instead they had gotten worse.
        They are still getting worse, more, adds on. Alot of it has to do with the way foundation funding is set up, the lack of transparency, what leaked out, ties to old friends and new, campaign financing, law suit and SEC investigations, people who pay Bill millions personally, foreign interests, hundreds of millions in donations then throw in words like dictators, uranium, bilking the elderly, middle east, China, lies and more... and many are interwoven as well as stories on their own. And all written up in major news media.

        So my concern when first looking was between the old memories of Clinton year scandals, real or not, and the immense amount of new stuff wrongdoing or not and her already not being trusted people would not want to deal with it at all because there is such appearance of impropriety.

        And God knows what they can make up about anyone

    •  Media has no more of an agenda than does a rash . (0+ / 0-)

      they just spread opportunistically to whatever is adjacent and inviting.

      This weeks story:  Obama's collapse.  His job.  Change the story line.

  •  You've Got To Be Kidding (7+ / 0-)

    That Noonan column was as inane and pernicious as it gets.  Is it really a pre-requisite for elevation to the Presidency that one get misty-eyed over Henry Ford?  And why does Noonan fear that Obama is less reverent towards America's heritage and heroes?

    Peggy Noonan is a cretinous, vile hack, and her suggestion that "America" is Obama's "problem" is just thinly veiled racist crap.  I really can't understand why the diarist would attribute to her column any claim of insight.

    •  Dismiss it at your peril I say. (2+ / 0-)

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      She is trying to give voice to those who are reluctant to vote for Obama.

      When you call her cretinous so do you dismiss them.  IF you think that is any way to get elected, it saddens me.

    •  But I've heard her critique Clinton in ways... (0+ / 0-)

      that I totally agree with. I was loathe to admit it, but Noonan pegged Clinton quite well, saying she was the antithesis of the feminist movement, because she relied so heavily on Bill. I agree with that, and Noonan said it on MTP many weeks ago. And I had the feeling--could have been wrong--but I had the feeling she really liked Obama. I don't know who to trust anymore, though.

      Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed...

      by langstonhughesfan on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:13:54 AM PDT

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    •  Other than "veiled", I agree with every word (0+ / 0-)

      eom

      "Some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok." - Barack Obama

      by Joe Beese on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:19:02 AM PDT

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    •  I would have to agree that Ms. Noonan's argument (0+ / 0-)

      is flawed. I don't think she is right in just conceding that John McCain and Hillary Clinton have patriotism in their DNA, whereas Barack Obama doesn't.

      John McCain carries it in his bones. Mr. McCain learned it in school, in the Naval Academy, and, literally, at grandpa's knee. Mrs. Clinton learned at least its importance in her long slog through Arkansas, circa 1977-92.

      Mr. Obama? What does he think about all that history? Which is another way of saying: What does he think of America? That's why people talk about the flag pin absent from the lapel.

      Since when is Arkansas a more fit place to learn of the greatness of this country than Kansas or Hawaii. Also, why should we assume John McCain carries it in his bones, because his actions of the last eight years haven't proved it to me. Patriotism also means you want the best for your country in every situation, and McCain's foreign policy and economic plans are not the best for this country.

      Who would have taught him to love it (America), and what did he learn was loveable, and what does he think about it all?

      Was he not born and raised in this country too? What does she mean who would have taught him to love it? Since when is your experience more American than mine? Barack was taught to love America by observing the struggles of his mother, and the resilience of his grandparents. He learned to love America as the country that made Brown vs. the BOE law, and finally let blacks and whites go to school together. He is still learning to love America as the country that has embraced his candidacy, when no one thought it was possible.

      But has he ever gotten misty-eyed over . . . the Wright Brothers and what kind of country allowed them to go off on their own and change everything? How about D-Day, or George Washington, or Henry Ford, or the losers and brigands who flocked to Sutter's Mill, who pushed their way west because there was gold in them thar hills? There's gold in that history.

      But has John McCain ever gotten misty-eyed over....Harriet Tubman's journey to lead escaped slaves north and what kind of country made this difficult? How about the day slaves became citizens and the inmeasureable pride they must have felt? How about the day the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act were signed, or that dreadful day when Dr. King was killed, and how the hope of generation died with him? There's gold in that history also.

      Who will tell the people? We are not who we think we are. We are living on borrowed time and borrowed dimes. -Thomas L. Friedman

      by ATLanthony on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:53:31 AM PDT

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      •  Great points and well said. This is the kind of (0+ / 0-)

        counter argument that should be made.

        Dismissing the reluctance of those who have not yet hopped onto the Obama bandwagon will not convince them.  Convincing the will convince them.

  •  BREAKING: Obama not all things to all people! (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not sure why Obama needs to be the mirror in which we all see ourselves, and Henry Ford as well. First of all, none of our candidates evokes that, and no Noonanish pundit ever considered insightfully observing that in an inane opinion piece.

    Why is Obama expected to live up to this totally unreasonable standard? Why is it a quotable when someone observes that he doesn't? I can write endless pieces about how hipster 20-year-olds would not want to go to a rave with McCain, or about how Hillary doesn't really evoke the American spirit of pickup basketball (and really, what's more American?). Can I be rich now?

    •  It's not an unreasonable standard, it's politics (1+ / 0-)

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      Like it or not you have to appeal to more individual citizens than the other candidate.

      Even if those who like you, really REALLY like you and the others guys supporters are ambivalent, their votes count the same as yours.

  •  So what's Obama to do? (0+ / 0-)

    All I hear here is a bunch of vague "give America a chance" crap.  Should he go around to bars and do shots with the boys?  Should he wear a flag pin?  And how exactly does he do that without pandering and becoming the very type of old style politician that people are sick of?

    I'm afraid that all of this talk is merely Noonan's way of saying he's "other."  She knows there's no way he can be anything other than who he is, unless he abandons his "new politics" principles thereby losing his own "base" and his own soul.  She knows that, and she doesn't care.  She doesn't want him to succeed.

    She's upset because he's not early "who'd ya like to have a beer with" Bush.

    Ya know...there's some other folks in this country too.  And we deserve a president.

    You can never sink so low in life that you can't be a bad example for somebody. - My Dad.

    by briefer on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:13:25 AM PDT

    •  Why is it pandering to reflect those whose votes (0+ / 0-)

      you are seeeking?

      Though I understand and agree with Obama's stance on the lapel pin, wouldn't it have been more useful just to wear one?

      •  What do you mean by "reflect"? (0+ / 0-)

        If you mean that he should talk about and address the real world concerns of the voters, then I think he is doing that.  He could always do it better; but that's not what Noonan is talking about.

        If you mean that he should somehow shape-shift, and become a different person, everytime he enters a new state, then I think that destroys the very basis of his message.  I think part of Obama's appeal is that he does very little of that.  He gets my vote because he is who he is; not because he can toss shots with the boys, or ride around in a tank with Dukakis.

        Maybe I just need more specifics on what you and/or Noonan expect Barack to do.

        You can never sink so low in life that you can't be a bad example for somebody. - My Dad.

        by briefer on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:36:11 AM PDT

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        •  He has to appeal to those with doubts (0+ / 0-)

          about whether he fully understands their concerns.  
          I think he does, but he already has MY vote.  Those who see him as detached, or those who wonder about his affection for the United States because of his name, or whatever .. they need to be won over.

  •  This can't end well... (0+ / 0-)

    Great points in this diary, and the response make Noonan's point. I'm shocked by how many people here, intelligent people, are still treating Obama like the next Beatle. Even kos got in the act with his FoxNews post, arguing that Obama had somehow "given in" or become "politics as usual" just by appearing on the show.

    The issue is that the focus is still OBAMA! The fresh young senator from Illinois. Contrast with Hillary!, who has successfully pivoted in this primary from a similair cult of personality with her supporters to a more rounded candidate that can appeal to whatever voters she needs.

    Bottom Line: Obama will either have to shed the image you all cling to so dearly (messianic super-liberal!) or he will lose. Take your pick

  •  You left out the eugenics (0+ / 0-)

    Patriotism born into Mccain because of all that patriotism passed on thru the blood of his father but Obama not able to get any of that in his blood.

    Noonan is an elitist bigoted fool and she can keep her advice.

    Save Our Daughters Let's tear John McCain's hopes and dreams to shreds.

    by kiki236 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:44:06 AM PDT

    •  I believe that McCains family history of military (0+ / 0-)

      service is what she was referring to.  ONe must be careful not to see bogeymen everywhere . .

      •  I read it (0+ / 0-)

        how does being born into a military family make you patriotic. Only people who have no idea what that means can make such a stupid statement. Being born in an oven doesn't make you a biscuit.

        She is a bigoted fool.

        Save Our Daughters Let's tear John McCain's hopes and dreams to shreds.

        by kiki236 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 08:06:05 PM PDT

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        •  You may have read it but not carefully . . (0+ / 0-)

          You mention eugenics and blood of his father. These are your words not hers.  She says  . .

          John McCain carries it in his bones. Mr. McCain learned it in school, in the Naval Academy, and, literally, at grandpa's knee.

          McCain's grandfather and father were Navy lifers.  Everyone knows his bio.  Your leap to the assumption of racist undertones is your responsibility.

          Noonan is trying to give shape and voice to the doubts, arising from the unknowns about a new candidate's backstory, that many voters share.  She is trying to identify the challenge that Obama faces.  Like it or not he must PERSUADE people to vote for him, he must work for it.  

          When you derisively dismiss these people's concerns you demean them and you demean your candidate.  Obama who stands for embracing those who disagree, rather than insulting them before dismissing them.  If you want a candidate who only cares about those who already agree with him/her, I think Obama's the wrong guy for you.

  •  In defense of Peggy. In the midst of all the (0+ / 0-)

    uproar after Wright clips had been played all weekend she came on morning Joe. Now those guys were drooling with handwringing glee over the ruin of Obama and were getting everyone to say how serious this was. They tried to make her play.

    She was a calm voice. She agreed it could be serious and said a little about why. But she said that Obama could overcome this if anyone could.
    What she thought could turn the tide and be great healing for the country already sorely needed was to do the wonderful writing he does from the wonderful heart that he has and then talk to America, not just about right but the larger issue of race and the divisions that brought all this misunderstanding and a vision of unity. She felt it was a speech only he could give and this could trigger him doing that.
    Those aren't correct words but I know she talked about that speech so calmly and beautifully that I could see it, I knew she was right.

    She was right. It was good to hear a calm voice...and one that really saw hope in this and you could tell she saw his decency through all this. She denied the other's assertions that Wright said something bad about Obama but realized that people could think that it did.

    So all bad things about her might be true...but no one was as calm and right at the height of Wright frenzy as she was that day.

    •  Noonan has been a consistently interesting (1+ / 0-)

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      I have been surprised but I think Obama's campaign appeals to her for some of the same reasons that Reagan's did.  

  •  Not buying this at all (0+ / 0-)

    The bar  you have set is too high for ANY candidate to achieve.  Its interesting how you describe this as a job interview, considering you are quoting a Reagan speech writer.  I remember Reagan being asked why he did not have more blacks in his administration.  His response was "I would, if only more were qualified."  His answer and this post have a lot in common.

    It was easy and convenient to blame African Americans for his failure or unwillingness to earnestly RECRUIT them.  Make no mistakes about it, there were PLENTY of qualified people , he just never CONSIDERED them.  Peggy Noonan is blaming Obama for the failures of America, and setting the expectation that its HIS responsibility to make up for those failures.  

    Historically speaking, Obamas only potentially FATAL "imperfection" is his race.  Because he is not white, he has to go ABOVE AND BEYOND to convince white America that he is acceptable.  He can't just talk about his love for the country, he has to get "misty eyed" to prove it.  This is not Obamas failure, its the failure of some Americans to give him earnest objective consideration for the position.  The other candidates are allowed to simply put together competitve coalitions, but for some reason, he has to make himself appealing to EVERYONE.  The bar set for HIM, is too high.

    Not surprising, considering a Reagan speech writer is conducting the interview.  

    •  You're misinterpreting I think (0+ / 0-)

      It's not about appealing to everyone, it's about appealing to enough.

      It's not only about being black, its also about having an unusual family story and a family name that is outside of normal experience of many Americans.  

      I find the racial backstory of Obama's candidacy to be  perplexing.  For a while he wasn't black enough, then his religious affiliation was called into question etc.  

      I don't find any of his qualities FATAL (your words and your capitalizaiton).  I find them appealing.  The question is, how are presented to and received by the electorate?

      Regarding Noonan, just because someone once worked for Reagan doesn't automatically undermine the clarity of their observation.  

      Hell, I voted for Bubba twice and lately he's getting on my last nerve.

      •  I just disagree (0+ / 0-)

        I disagree because I think for many people in America his presentation will NEVER be good enough, and although he might suffer for it, it is really THEIR failure, not his.  I do not know if it will keep him from winning the nomination or the general election( my words were " potentially FATAL") but it will be Americas shame not his, if it does.

        As for Peggy Noonan, I don't question her clarity.  Like Reagan, I question her perception, and her motivation.

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