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Obama will never rid himself of Wright

Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:52:04 PM PDT

The question that is in the public arena is how Barack Obama, unlike his many trivial associations with embarrassing individuals, could have had the relationship he did over the course of almost two decades with Jeremiah Wright.

I am now reading "Audacity of Hope" and based on this amazingly candid auto biography, and certain similarities in my own life, I have some thoughts on this that I want to share.  

Obama was blessed with having a mother that most of us could only dream of having.  Of course she loved her oldest son, but more than that, she seems to have respected him even as a child.  Obama talks about how she, although an atheist, took him to many different religious services so he would have an understanding of what was offered.

She was a brilliant and compassionate person, for whom race was the very least of the qualities that she considered in friends, and more.  Not only was Obama's mother a non believer, but more importantly, so were his mother's parents who raised him.

Barack, then calling himself Barry, was a bright outgoing kid, who one day, he never describes the incident, or maybe it was a forgotten series of events, discovered that he was not exactly the same as all of his other friends. He was, to use the language of those days, a Negro, colored, a black kid.

One of my earliest memories, when I was out playing with the neighborhood kids, or when I first went to kindergarten is the other kids would ask, "What are you?"  They meant are you Christian, are you Irish, are you Italian....  My answer was, "I'm Jewish."  And for some, things changed.  Not a lot, but enough. I would guess Obama had similar experiences of answering "who he was."  

It seems to have been a long process, from changing his name from "Barry" to "Barack," he was saying he was not just a darker white kid.  He also defined himself by becoming a scholar, by voraciously attempting to understand the disciplines that objectively defined how people see each other.  There was no fear that such studiousness was acting "white," since this was part of what he was.

One of the greatest fears we humans have is isolation.  The practice of shunning, a form of punishment of certain fundamentalist groups is considered the ultimate in cruelty. We need to belong in the same way we need to breathe.

In "Audacity of Hope" Obama goes into extensive detail of what his religion meant to him.  While a few months ago to counter the canard that he was really a Muslim, he said, "I'm a devout Christian, who has been going to church for decades and prays daily to Jesus Christ," this is not the impression given in his book.  He specifically says that his walking down the aisle to accept baptism, by Reverent Wright, I would imagine, did not mean that he gave up doubts and critical thinking.

Reverend Jeremiah Wright was not Obama's spiritual guide, he was his welcome into a community where he was unconditionally accepted.  It didn't matter in this congregation whether he was black or white, whether he won an election or not, whether he was rich or not........everyone belonged.  And Wright was the focal point of this accepting group.

It's not that Obama never heard Wright's bombastic version of Black Liberation Theology, it's that it didn't matter.  Wright was not advocating a mass resistance, or any type of violence; he was giving voice to a common experience, that is not that different to what we Jews do every passover when we revile Pharaoh for what was done to us.

I have never agreed with the unconditional admiration that so many on Dailykos feel towards Obama.  I always saw him as just another human being with his full quota of limitations and failings.  But right now I have nothing but sympathy for what Obama must be going through, and believe it or not, also for Reverend Wright.  Wright had provided Obama something that was not so much spiritual, as it was a place of belonging to a man who wasn't given this as a birthright.

Their affection was real, even if they spoke a very different dialect of the same language. And in that congregation of The United Church of Christ, it is Jeremiah Wright who outranks Barack Obama; and the Reverend was not about to let anyone challenge that, his life's work.

As an atheist I long for my own Reverend Wright, to be in a place where there was a common focus, where the message is of peace love and charity.  If the leader were just a bit nuts, it would be a small price to pay.  
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Addendum:  From a comment. Here's an interesting articlefrom New Republic that covers the same ground as this diary, with a slightly different slant.
 

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  •  i have a feeling you are going to get Trolled! (1+ / 0-)

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  •  I vote to pass it by. (9+ / 0-)

    Seriously, sweet God in heaven, enough is enough. I appreciate the fact that you are thinking this over but it has been covered a thousand times over. I don't think there is an original thought on this subject left to be had.

    Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

    by Pager on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:55:03 PM PDT

    •  You may be right, but... (1+ / 0-)

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      browneyes

      Seriously, sweet God in heaven, enough is enough. I appreciate the fact that you are thinking this over but it has been covered a thousand times over. I don't think there is an original thought on this subject left to be had.

      I'm just as angry that this is dragging on, and on, and on, just as it sounds like you are, but what can we do?  

      This society, unfortunately, is influenced by soundbites that are repeated over and over again within the MSM.  Isn't it fair to say that if it is still being circulated "out there," that it probably will be circulated and mulled over here too.  If the story that is being fed to the average American sticks, then Obama is in trouble.  I really hope that this will be the last time I write about this, I really do, but b/c of the climate we live in, how is that possible.

      Are we here at Kos really above the mainstream?  If not, how can we not talk about this?  If so, what good does that do us?

      Am I making sense?  Sorry, I'm just trying to work this out and I have to admit the MSM is getting to me and I'm starting to worry.    

      "[People] are anxious to improve their circumstances, but are unwilling to improve themselves; they therefore remain bound." - James Allen

      by gchap33 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:23:17 PM PDT

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      •  You're making good sense. (0+ / 0-)

        I just am sick, to death, of reading about it here. No, we are not above the mainstream. But, let's also remember that other topics are being discussed in the mainstream while here at DKos, literally every diary yesterday and today has been on this fucking issue and enough is enough. We have other things to talk about and it's time to start refocusing.

        If we lead, they will follow.

        Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

        by Pager on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:40:40 PM PDT

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  •  He already ridded himself of Wright (3+ / 0-)

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    Chi, isis69, Statusquomustgo

    I did read all the way through. But you provide no real support for the title of this post.

  •  You make a compelling case (5+ / 0-)

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    Chi, aitchdee, Fabian, arodb, geejay

    both for the fact that Wright was a significant fact in BO's life and for it not mattering one whit in the grand scheme of things -- we all at some time or another admire imperfect human beings, we all [thank God!] are able to benefit from imperfect human beings [since all of us are terribly imperfect, we'd be a damn bad fix if we couldn't].

    Do certain comments and views by someone's pastor so define a person that they should count above all else in selecting a presidential choice?  Absurd.

  •  Another Clinton Troll bites the dust! (2+ / 0-)

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  •  He is Obama's (2+ / 0-)

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    carllaw, browneyes

    Sword Of Damocles.

  •  More WIshful Thinking (1+ / 0-)

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    elmo

    The Clinton oppo-research team scrubbed and scoured.  They looked high and they looked low.  Obama was clean - all they could come up with was racial attacks based on Obama's former (not even current!) pastor.

    Now they don't even have that.
     You guys need to concede, you've lost.

    "I've been an oilman all my life, but this is one crisis we can't drill our way out of" --T. Boone Pickens

    by bincbom on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:01:13 PM PDT

  •  A question of the personal v. the political... (3+ / 0-)

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    philimus, arodb, browneyes

    while I cannot speak on Obama's heart and mind, your points are well taken.  Nevertheless, the political reality is that Wright was sabotaging not just his personal relationship with Obama, and not just Obama's aspirations, but more importantly the hopes, hard work and sacrifices of us who seek a change in this country.
    In the end, Obama did what I am sure pained him deeply but was necessary nonetheless.

  •  You are 100% correct (4+ / 0-)

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    Muzikal203, chimaeranyc, browneyes, ruscle

    None of us can ever "be rid of" the people who have influenced our lives.

    This is true for Barack Obama and Reverend Wright and it is also true for Mr. & Mrs. Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. And Norman Hsu.

    As I watch Barack Obama "handle" the Reverend Wright matter I become even more convinced he has the right temperament and reflective personality needed to be a terrific President of the Unites States.

    I now hope we can all rally around him and end this destructive primary and join together to help Obama defeat McCain in November.

    Are you on-board?

    If Barack Obama drew a line in the sand and Harry Reid stepped across it, then what?

    by Bill White on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:03:26 PM PDT

  •  Scapegoating (4+ / 0-)

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    SeanF, aitchdee, arodb, browneyes

    Very fine diary.

    The practice of shunning, a form of punishment of certain fundamentalist groups is considered the ultimate in cruelty.

    It is cruelty. Also, dealing with being the outcast is an essential part of spiritual experience, as is finding community. I liked Noam Scheiber's analysis of why Obama chose Wright's church.

  •  The Audacity of Dope. n/t (0+ / 0-)

  •  Good read . . . (3+ / 0-)

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    aitchdee, arodb, browneyes

    the explanation sounds like a sympathetic and well-grounded understanding of what the relationship probably was.

    It's a shame that a relationship between a pastor and a parishioner has become such a public subject in the campaign.  It's pretty easy to imagine that the two would probably have a good private relationship had the prying sensationalist media exercised a degree of discretion.

    In any event, this is contemporary politics -- and religion.

    Onward we go.

  •  i'm moving on-good bye (0+ / 0-)

    McCain will take away a woman's right to choose

    by chimaeranyc on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:11:43 PM PDT

  •  I am more saddened than angry by Wright ... (2+ / 0-)

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    ... but I find it difficult to forgive him for his National Press Club appearance. To me, that looked like he was essentially calling his fellow parishoner a phony who was only distancing himself from his most outrageous statements as a matter of political expediency.

    Sen. Obama took a real risk in not publically rejecting Rev. Wright on a personal level when he gave his now-famous Philadelphia speech on race. For Wright to say the things he did about him to the national press corps(e) on Monday was not only disrespectful and insulting to Obama as a man, it was a betrayal of the friendship the senator had tried to maintain.

    Unfortunately, I believe you are correct that, as a result of Wright's recent knack for feeding the controversy, Obama will never be able to live it down. And that makes me very frustrated, and sorry, as an American, for all of us.

  •  Obama will be rid of Wright (2+ / 0-)

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    sheddhead, browneyes

    long before Hill gets rid of Bill.  You think the GOP/Media/Industrial complex is having fun with the Rev, wait till Hill and Bill get the nom and they can start unloading on Bubba and his $109Huge.

    A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow

    by ActivistGuy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:16:48 PM PDT

  •  You make a false dichotomy when you say (4+ / 0-)

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    aitchdee, elmo, sheddhead, arodb

    ...he said, "I'm a devout Christian, who has been going to church for decades and prays daily to Jesus Christ," this is not the impression given in his book.  He specifically says that his walking down the aisle to accept baptism, by Reverent Wright, I would imagine, did not mean that he gave up doubts and critical thinking.

    The implication here is that a devout Christian cannot have doubts or do critical thinking. While I know that many atheists find it hard to understand or believe, there are many, many devout Christians who go on asking questions, seek deeper understanding, keep thinking and learning more. The two are not necessarily divorced.

    •  Good Point.... (1+ / 0-)

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      browneyes

      I have no way of knowing degrees of full faith and some doubt.  I imagine you are right that there is a wide range.

      I would guess that devout implies a rather full belief that prayer is being heard, if not answered.  His book was rather candid, almost as if it were an explanation to his mother, that her secular belief was not being betrayed.

  •  Nor should he! (3+ / 0-)

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    aitchdee, arodb, HCKAD

    That's the problem; Wright represents a significant portion of our population, angry and full of history. We simply cannot forget that they exist, or pretend that their experiences are invalid.

    He does not represent Obama--biracial, intelligent, citizen of the world with a variety of experiences and deep understanding of people in a variety of situations. He doesn't represent me.

    But that segment of Americans deserve to be listened to. We need to realize that he and his constituency exists, as we move forward with hope.

  •  You make a significant point... (3+ / 0-)

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    aitchdee, arodb, HCKAD

    When I share the anger of my Jewish friends over the Holocaust, or a dear Japanese friend who spent a bit of his childhood in an internment camp, no one calls me racist. We are respecting history and trying to learn from it.

    So why is it racist to listen to Wright and respectfully disagree? To say: Yes, that was a terrible time. We will try to remediate it as best we can?

    Why is it so hard to believe that people of his generation--who knew about Tuskeegee--are a bit paranoid?

    •  We all behave differently with different audience (0+ / 0-)

      and that's fine, usually, unless you are running for public office......

      Can anyone imagine living a life so everything you utter, or even accepted without demurral can be used against you.

  •  I very much appreciated your diary (2+ / 0-)

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    I feel particularly close to your last paragraph:

    As an atheist I long for my own Reverend Wright, to be in a place where there was a common focus, where the message is of peace love and charity.  If the leader were just a bit nuts, it would be a small price to pay.  

    The only point I differ is that I appreciate very much nuttiness, specially when it appears anarchic, radical and anti-system as in the infamous Q&A.

    If I was a dehydrated baby, I wouldn't want bottled hot water from John McCain!

    by Fairy Tale on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:08:34 PM PDT

  •  And Hillary will never rid herself of... (0+ / 0-)

    BILL!

    And McCain will never rid himself of this war!

    On balance - I'd say that gives Obama an advantage.

  •  Not vetted (1+ / 0-)

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    arodb

    I'm a Clinton person so I am not very educated on the inside story of how and what happened to bring Obama to declare for the 2008 presidency.

    I know when Obama made that speech in 2004 he became the top rising star of the party and everybody was talking about how promising it looked for his running for president.  I'm sure all the bigwigs and professional consultants were after him, and I know that many were saying his chances were best right now, while he was hot and before his star appeal faded.

    But didn't any of the elders of the party vet Obama and research the man's biography?  This whole brouhaha could have been predicted and prevented. They should have made it clear to Obama what he was going to face in a national election and how what is acceptable in Chicago, bombs in Pennsylvania.

    It's obvious that Rev. Wright's injudicious comments and beliefs had long been part of his ministry.  Those consultants and bigwigs should have made Obama deal with his association with his pastor even before he had announced.  It could have been made a part of his biography, detailing the Reverand's statements and viewpoints and delineating when and why Obama's own views diverged.  It could have become a tale of mentorship and growth and then finally, independence.  

    Instead, because Obama only clearly separated himself  when forced to, it looks like political expendiency.

    The good thing is that this contretemps, which would normally be a mortal wound, is small potatoes.  When American boys are still dying for no reason in a foreign land and American men and women are losing  their jobs, their homes, and their future; who cares about this sort of stuff?    

    •  Many good points... (0+ / 0-)

      I forget what I wrote in this diary and in my many comments, but this does matter.  Obama is really less than half black, by any complex measure of what the two races represent in life experience and attitudes.

      So, his being considered black was fine for middle America, because......he's not.

      But Wright is as Obama called his Gramps, a "typical" black man.  Middle America doesn't want that.

      Yes, Iraq, Voodoo McCainian economics will all be in the decision process.  But we can't ignore how much this issue means to the "typical" voter.

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