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OMGosh Alert! Clinton To Break UP OPEC

Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:15:05 PM PDT

Hillary Clinton always seems to have a nebulously defined sense of the times.  

Unfortunately, her political intuition sort of resembles those possibly rabid miniature dogs that shut-in woman down the street keeps.  You know, the little dogs with the hand-crocheted sweaters and the ribbons on their ears that bite your pant leg and nip at your hand while their affable human gently reminds you that "they won't harm you!"  Clinton has about the emotional responsiveness of a... living being... as far as people noticing that their government is bought up and their tax dollars are going to a bunch of machismo dandies out of the liquor-soaked, cigar-perfumed parlors of the 1870s.  In the age when everyone deserves an award for doing anything decent, Team Clinton would have her heralded for visionary leadership when in fact she's pretty typical Washington stew.

Rather than ever confront these sources of frustration--bitterness?--and yes, malaise.  Hillary Clinton has learned to take emotional investment and divert it into a parallel political universe.  But can it work when you half-bribe people, half scare them on a vital subject: their energy expenses?

More yap below the flap...

Her style is very simple.  Here's something people are angry about, here's the scapegoat.  Like George W. Bush.  Sure, she kicks him around the yard, but what is Bush?  He's a crony first and foremost as the MBA president who rode into office on name recognition (nepotism).  The culture of corporate entitlement that the Clintons courted vociferously for themselves in 1999 is inseparable from Bush.  It's not enough that Bush is an idiot, though his picture is halfway into the dictionary entry, or that he's petulant.  Princess Diana could be petulant, and Gerald Ford was quite a bit on the slowww side.  It's that everything Bush has done goes back to either his ego, or his friend's pocket books.  If you can't grasp this, you can't see how a man who was not originally a neocon, like George W. Bush, became the puppet for Cheney and Lieberman's pipe-dream.

If voters hate Bush, (and they do) it's pretty easy to kick his name around in 2008.  People may take it out on McCain.  But we're also piecing McCain and Bush to PACs and lobbyists.

So why doesn't Clinton have a praxis from which she taps into public sentiment effictively?  We find that Clinton served on the boards of Tyson--one of several Big Agri giants, easily among the most vile businesses on the planet and among the most thoroughly anti-American for their relentless quest to destroy Jefferson's family farmer.  We find that Clinton worked for Walmart, which not only is now linking to Big Agri but also has helped destroy Mom and Pop stores everywhere, regional culture and wage growth.  Forget Whitewater or tinfoil concerning the conspicuously morose Vince Foster, Clinton is part in parcel of a giant culture of millions of Americans that has built that country so different from what we associate with our patriotism and all that is great about this country.

Instead of tackling corruption, Clinton kicks old George Bush around.  Her campaign logic sort of goes like this: it's a dirty game, and you have to take money from the dirty guys if you want to get to a place where you can clean things up.  It sorta makes sense--oh, wait--no it doesn't.  If this was government by faith and the standard was to simply trust a politician without evidence than sure, Clinton's idea sounds great.  But in reality this is a set pattern reflecting who she was during the 90s and who she'll be 4 years from now.  For all the sillyness about Obama and Hope and Believing being silly, you don't have to rely on faith to understand his position on corruption.

Which brings me to the segway. The venal energy industry is part of that toxic culture.  Oil prices are a problem for citizens taxpayer or no, old and young, and Americans sense that that oil companies are not only corrupt but the real puppeteers in Washington.

So--voila! More typical Hillary.

She vowed to break the monopoly of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), cartel which produces 40 percent of the world's oil.

"I am tired of OPEC setting the price and determining how much supply there is, by any definition that is a monopoly," Clinton said.

"We are going to use every tool at our disposal as a nation to try to break that up."

Let's make rhetorical assaults on OPEC, and threaten to break up their cartel.

Rather than face reality--an oil crisis, the declining slope of the history of oil production and usage, where price would inevitably skyrocket--let's bury our heads in the sand and rather than make expensive gasoline more efficient, we'll artificially jack down the price.  Let's not face the fact that maybe oil should be expensive, when the world climate which we pretend to care about is turning malignant because of said oil, and when political institutions from the Gulf to the Niger Delta are in danger because of peak oil.

Rather than admit to ourselves that we are agents in this world, that we not only got her of our own accord or inaction, and that we can make the future, all we are left with is the misleading (yes, "distraction") that this is simply Americans paying too much for gas.  Well, if your gas got you 10 miles farther per gallon, that would increase the value of gas and also lower its expense at least a bit in the wake of the oil price bonanza.  And if Clinton has so much "experience" in the Clinton White House when she invented health care, she certainly could have been pushing Bill on energy.  It's her line of reasoning.

Clinton and her buddy McCain don't seem to have been leaving too many invoices at Ford or GM to work on European or Japanese level-efficiency.  Short term, if we not only gave working Americans tax relief, but in the long term built communities where we didn't force people to drive an hour to work and then abandon them the moment their home equity begins to reflect the unsustainable path of such runaway sprawl. Communities where people could have comfort, community and proximity.  It's a lot better than a  phony gas tax moratorium which will save you about 30 bucks.

But hey, destroying gas taxes (a reliable source of government income) would have no serious consequences on a nation's foundering finances or the world economy, when we already have cheaper gasoline than many peoples around the world.

See the dilemnas here? They're a boatload.

Rather than rehash plenty of true or technically true points about Clinton, let's just leave it at what's politically relevant, if not morally or psychologically.  Clinton just doesn't get how to treat the root of a problem.  She didn't in 1994 when she alienated potential allies or people who could tell her useful advice on health care--she did it her own way, and you were with her or against her.  Rather than advocate single payer, she wants drug and insurance companies to be "part of the solution".  Gee.  Of course, Barack Obama is no ideological wunderkind either, some of Clinton's shortcomings are mutual.  But the point is that every once in a while Obama more than justifies his campaign by showing that he's at least trying to not pander or bribe us with short-term bandaids that demean us as thinking individuals and as a citizens of a nation.  Significantly compared to Clinton.

OPEC sucks.  Ultimately, breaking up OPEC doesn't do me a damn bit of good.  OPEC may go, but millions of us will still be poor, and more poorly represented than the drug, oil, insurance and other lobbies in Washington.  Not to mention living unsustainably for the planet.  Sustainability--and I'm talking about survival--doesn't leave room for corruption.  Think of waking up tomorrow as your reward for being just sustainable enough to come back for a little more, if not a generation or two form now.  Maybe one day we can make a future where people won't pass on tomorrow morning because of our short-sight and permissiveness in the face of corruption.

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  •  Every tool at our disposal... (9+ / 0-)

    she is telling the truth here.  And the number of tools at our disposal is.....zero.

    I guess we could bring an anti-trust suit.  Yeah, that'll do it.

  •  Tips and thanks for reading (10+ / 0-)

    I am no wonk and no expert, I defer to others here on those things, I'm just a citizen trying to educate himself and learn from others.

    Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

    by Nulwee on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:18:25 PM PDT

  •  Well, there is one other one.... (1+ / 0-)

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    Sing it John!

    •  McCain is a Wuss (1+ / 0-)

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      Hillary won't just "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran."  She will OBLITERATE it!
      Hell yeah.  That's what I'm talking about!  We may be rapidly transforming into a third world nation, but we can still bomb the shit out of you!  

      "I shall never surrender or retreat." --Lieutenant Colonel William Barret Travis

      by badger1968 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:23:01 PM PDT

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  •  funny - i had to read to see if you were talking (4+ / 0-)

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    about Clinton or McCain.

    Telling.

  •  very odd (7+ / 0-)

    Even the relevance of such a stance, never mind its feasibility, is weirdly anachronistic. OPEC was a price-fixer for decades, but the current price run-up is largely out of their control. It's not due to a reduction by OPEC in supply (they seem to be pumping as fast as they can), but due instead to demand increases plus some financial stuff like futures-market speculation and the decline of the dollar. Even if OPEC wanted to help us, there is not much they can do about the weak dollar or the increase in demand in China. (In fact they are helping a bit on the weak dollar, by buying our Treasuries and keeping their currencies pegged to the dollar instead of letting them appreciate.)

    "See a world of tanks, ruled by a world of banks." —Sol Invictus

    by Delirium on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:22:35 PM PDT

  •  Break up OPEC?! (5+ / 0-)

    LMAO - How's she going to do that?  Withdraw our forces from Iraq and invade Saudi Arabia?  Hold Mecca hostage for lower oil prices?  Beg "pretty please with light, sweet crude on top?"

    Breaking up OPEC would be more difficult than breaking up organized crime - so I'm sure she'll set Giuliani on that task. :O

  •  What a clown! (2+ / 0-)

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    She's unfit to govern either because she's lying to pander to mouth-breathing voters, or she might actually believe she would have the power and/or skill to break up OPEC.

    Please let this train wreck of a primary be over soon.

    "Some may say words are change. But you and I know words are cheap."
    -- Hillary Rodham Clinton, 2008

    by GW Chimpzilla on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:25:37 PM PDT

  •  I'm sure Iran thinks we're exercising a monopoly. (2+ / 0-)

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    On nuclear power and nuclear weaponry.

    BTW - it's not a monopoly - it's a cartel.

  •  Pure pander (9+ / 0-)

    Hill, for a start, it's a cartel, not a monopoly. They control 40% not 100% and there's more than one of them.

    And it won't matter at all. Indonesia is a net oil importer, yet maintains it's membership in OPEC. How will you force them to produce oil they don't have?

    Will breaking up OPEC find the about 35mm bpd needed to replace depletion and accomodate increased demand over the next 5 or 6 years? How exactly will you "break up" OPEC? Will you obliterate them if they don't do your bidding?

    Jesus fuckin' H. Christ on a trapeze will this woman ever go away?

    "...this nation is more than the sum of its parts ..." Barack Obama-18 March,2008

    by Inventor on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:27:18 PM PDT

    •  Ha! (0+ / 0-)

      Jesus fuckin' H. Christ on a trapeze

      That's one of the funniest things I've heard today!  Thanks for the giggle.  :-)

      Age of maturity? When you're old enough to realize that your parents are actually smarter than you. Obama '08!

      by browneyes on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:52:34 PM PDT

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  •  Bill Clinton's biggest donors (0+ / 0-)

    of his charity and library are Saudi Oil men.  This is a real big lie!!!  Just like Bill's connections to Columbia, but she has an anti-NAFTA stance.

  •  How does she plan to break up OPEC? (5+ / 0-)

    The only ways to break the monopoly are (1) invade every OPEC country and install friendly regimes (that worked really well in Iraq) or (2) cut domestic consumption by about 60 percent, which would do wonders for our economy.

    It's too bad Paul Tsongas isn't alive. He and his stuffed bear's time has come.

    Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:34:59 PM PDT

    •  Well, hey, (0+ / 0-)

      if Clinton were honest and talking about cutting consumption in those terms, that would be fantastic.  It's not like I have anything against feeling pleasure from taking away Bush or OPEC's power, it's that the feeling of attacking them is no more adult, responsible or useful than the squabbling John Edwards criticized months back.

      The OPEC idea sounds well-timed more than viable, doesn't it?  So you walk away with the answer that fits.

      Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

      by Nulwee on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:39:24 PM PDT

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  •  Didn't President Bush (2+ / 0-)

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    and Dick Cheney both try to get OPEC to raise oil production.

    Clinton is pandering her ass off.

  •  Well, I ain't sayin' it'll work ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... but five members of OPEC are, in fact, in the WTO, so it seems like there is at least a step we could take on that score.

    I'm not expert, but Oregon Rep. Peter DeFazio was just recently talking about this very situation.

    Will any of this work? I dunno. Will it work as well as developing alternative energy? No. But it's something we could try.

    Now, has Hillary talked to DeFazio? Signed onto his letter to Bush? Will she really start making some noise about this? Because so far all she's done is give lip service to an irresponsible McCain idea that a) would take effect before she took office and b) she doesn't even take the step of formally introducing the idea in her role as a senator. Which is about what I'd expect.

    You call it Bush Derangement Syndrome; I call it sanity.

    by RickMassimo on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:40:14 PM PDT

  •  She is as funny as Bush who said he'd call (1+ / 0-)

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    his Saudi buddies and ask them to open the valves.  That was when oil was $ 24 per barrel.

    The farce of Bill Clinton's Presidency was giving China most favored trading status so American auto industry could sell Chinese cars.  Apparently Bill & Hillary didn't care about peak oil or Gore's global warming.

  •  All Hail, Generalissimo Clinton. (1+ / 0-)

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    She will obliterate them!

    "I, Barack Obama, do solemnly swear, that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States..."

    by dlh77489 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:46:43 PM PDT

  •  Break up OPEC???? She crazy!!!!!! Crazy!!!!!! (0+ / 0-)

  •  In your guts you know she's nuts (0+ / 0-)

    If this megalomaniac were to gain the Oval Office I think after a few years we would be looking back on the chimp's reign as a Golden Age. Well, at least until we were obliterated.

    But it's not going to happen. I feel a slight shift in the winds of change today. A faint freshening breeze.

    Loudest the river, fewest the fish.

    by houyhnhnm on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 06:08:33 PM PDT

  •  I don't see the quote (0+ / 0-)

    I went to the link you provided to see for myself. Wrong article/source; I didn't see it. Correction needed.

    I'm a 21 year old multiracial college boy from inner city St. Louis who voted for John Edwards. There's nothing you can say to me now.

    by American Phoenix on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 06:08:59 PM PDT

  •  Post this diary on MyDD (1+ / 0-)

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    if you haven't already.

  •  I am of two minds.... (1+ / 0-)

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    I just don't know if the American public is to be trusted. Hillary is basically telling Americans what they want to hear at this point.

    Her base consists of this family:
    Father gets to work at 6 am and gets home at 8
    Mother stays home with her 2.3 kids, watches the View, One Life to Live, Days of our Lives, Judge Judy, and a Lifetime movie.

    These people struggle to pay the bills in part because of rising gas prices.

    The news they gather is largely from sound bites and bolded newspaper headlines.

    Tomorrow they'll see "Clinton proposes breaking up OPEC" in a snippet somewhere and think to themselves "Wow! That's fantastic!"

    See, Hillary doesn't care what the content is. She wants the headlines to convey messages to her base. Plain and simple. To these people they pay no mind what she can do to get rid of OPEC, all they know what she can do to disband OPEC. They just know that they hate OPEC and that she says that she wants to get rid of it and they agree with her.

    Americans like things simple. Most Americans want to absorb their information from a headline or a sound bite and that's ALL that Hillary cares about.

    •  To Clarify... (0+ / 0-)

      "To these people they pay no mind what she can do to get rid of OPEC, all they know what she can do to disband OPEC. "

      Should read: These people pay no mind to what she really can do to get rid of OPEC. They just know that she "wants" to disband OPEC.

  •  First, rec'd for reviving the Tsonges chestnut, (1+ / 0-)

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    "panderbear". I think she is pandering, but I also think that as much of a policy wonk as she is reputed to be, she lacks a certain synthetic intelligence.

    That is, she can memorize facts and figures, but when it comes to vision or creativity, I don't think she is very intelligent. Clearly, breaking up OPEC is an example of this. I hope she will explain how she means to do this.

  •  sorr, D Kos -- its a bold, smart statement-- (0+ / 0-)

    don't you all get it?  OPEC controls the oil market by setting prices & supply: breaking it up is a huge step towards energy independence and less-than-$3.60-a-gallon gas.

    Most of you are way, way too caught up in your Clinton hatred to actually dissect her policy statements.  

    Also, what's Obama's specific energy proposals, beyond not issuing a gas tax holiday? Anyonwe know?  Has he made any declarative statements on oil, coal or the environment?  how about mountain-top mining? vague, vague and vague-er

    •  how she going to do it? (0+ / 0-)

      perhaps she thinks she's running for Supreme Ruler of the Planet.

    •  Clinton hatred? (0+ / 0-)

      First off, this diary was not an exact comparison.  As I said in the diary, Obama is not immaculate or perfect himself.  But it is essential to understand how Clinton panders, because its happened thoroughout two decades in a similar fashion.  A gas tax moratorium is not a wise idea with a giant deficit, regardless of the state of the economy.  She took an idiotic move by the part of McCain and mirrored it.  

      That would be absolutely indefensible coming from Obama.  Either Clinton or Obama would ultimately be better than McCain, it's just important to realize how Clinton can be more of an ally than a member in the progressive movement.

      Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

      by Nulwee on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:03:51 PM PDT

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  •  oh CHAVEZ would love to hear her (0+ / 0-)

    answer on that one? she is becoming laughable, why is the media not talking about craziness like this?

  •  I don't know who is nuttier her or her (0+ / 0-)

    advisors.

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