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McCain claims he voted against an MLK holiday because of ignorance about "the issue", as if he needed position papers and highly paid lobbyists to explain to him what Dr. Martin Luther King meant to our nation.

Still, even his claimed ignorance on the topic strains credibility. Perhaps because it just isn't true. Check out what he said about his POW captors in a 1987 interview with USA Today:

"They never gave us any meaningful news," McCain said. "They told us the day that Martin Luther King was shot, they told us the day that Bobby Kennedy was shot, but they never bothered to tell us about the moon shot. So it was certainly selected news."

McCain claims ignorance about MLK because his state didn't have black people, but he knew. His captors told him about it. The issue isn't one of "I didn't know about the issue", but one of "MLK ain't shit". What else could it be?

It's clear as day, especially considering that as late as 1987, McCain didn't consider the assassination of Martin Luther King "meaningful".

A sentiment, I'm sure, shared with his good friends Trent Lott and George Allen.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:33 PM PDT.

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  •  Republicans: The racist Party (20+ / 0-)

    in the 80's, it was en vogue to be a bigot

    the race is over... we're waiting

    by Steven R on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:34:23 PM PDT

  •  The Straight Talker offers up another big load (18+ / 0-)

    of fresh, steaming bullshit!!

    President JOHN McCAIN = George W. Bush's third term.

    by chumley on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:34:33 PM PDT

    •  A big load of Macaca, as his bud G. Allen (1+ / 0-)
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      might say.

      The sight of McSwervy Talker in Memphis today made me queasy. How cravenly opportunistic. I wish I could have heard what the hecklers were saying. He was trying so hard to speak with some sort of passion in his voice.

      He was failing miserably.

      How many years has he had in politics to DO SOMETHING to advance any of the causes for which MLK Jr. gave his life? What is his record on them?

      Disgusting.

      Sweet are the uses of adversity...[Find] tongues in trees, books in the running brooks, Sermons in stones, and good in everything. -Shakespeare, As You Like It

      by earicicle on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:47:44 PM PDT

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  •  I hope someone does an ad with the birthday cake (8+ / 0-)

    photo, side by side with a Katrina photo - talking about how they occurred at the same exact moment...

    My position is clear -- I'm the commander guy.

    by Mr Met on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:35:03 PM PDT

    •  Include this video and (0+ / 0-)

      voila!

      Not the church. Not the state. Women will decide their fate.

      by JaciCee on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:58:04 PM PDT

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    •  McBush: let's eat cake & screw New Orleans (5+ / 0-)

      use this one

      and here's a previous comment i made on the picture: http://www.dailykos.com/...

      -- call your Senators on PEPFAR reauthorization (U.S. global AIDS Bill)

      by distraught on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:21:37 PM PDT

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      •  The Day Before That Photo Was Taken (3+ / 0-)
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        The National Weather Service issued this bulletin.

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        You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.

        by karateexplosions on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:47:55 PM PDT

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  •  The Press will give him a pass... nt (10+ / 0-)

    Molly Ivins reply when asked about Obama, Her answer: "Yes, he should run. He's the only Democrat with any `Elvis' to him."

    by SmileySam on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:36:34 PM PDT

  •  I'm really starting to think (5+ / 0-)
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    that if Obama doesn't get the nomination, Black people may just stay home in November.

    We need to internalize this idea of excellence. Not many folks spend a lot of time trying to be excellent. ~Barack Obama

    by Muzikal203 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:36:50 PM PDT

  •  Ripping on MLK (9+ / 0-)

    seems to be a recurring theme this year.  How sad.

    My candidate voted to ban the use of cluster bombs on kids. Did yours?

    by clonecone on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:36:55 PM PDT

    •  It's sad and it makes me angry (2+ / 0-)
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      that MLK is somehow perceived as having significance only as "black" when he was so much more and his message was about and for all people and his powerful logic was about all disenfranchised people and classes and kinds.

      They continue to trivialize Martin Luther King Jr. and his universal message and the changes he wrought and the forces he set free that are still at work today.  Naturally, they want to trivialize those forces and the message from the only prophet we've had in more than a century.

  •  his MLK speech was all about HIM (20+ / 0-)

    is this what we can expect for the entire of the campaign, John McCain finding infinite ways to remind us that he was a POW during the vietnam war?

    I heard just a bit of his speech today and it was all about HIM...and how his captures used the MLK assasination against HIM...  at one point I wondered if McCain thinks it was the vietcong who killed king (no kidding)

    "THE SURGE IS WORKING" is the 2008 replacement for "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

    by KnotIookin on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:36:55 PM PDT

    •  There is only one horse left in this race that (11+ / 0-)

      doesn't spend all of his time saying 'I', 'me', and 'my'.

      And his name is Barack Obama.

      We need to internalize this idea of excellence. Not many folks spend a lot of time trying to be excellent. ~Barack Obama

      by Muzikal203 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:39:49 PM PDT

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    •  It's a trend in both Clinton and McCains (11+ / 0-)

      speeches. What I have done, or what I will do. Me me me me me me.  

      •  after the racial whispering campaign HRC's camp (6+ / 0-)

        has been waging against Obama I was surprised at HER speech...  it's like she doesn't live in the same reality the rest of us live in.  Sher lives in a reality she makes up as she goes along....

        today she was waxing nostalgically about MLK and his message and his dream for us to all come together and move forward united...  but yesterday the news was filled with talk of how she, her hubby and her surrogates have been spending time behind closed doors warning super delegates that OBAMA CAN'T WIN....

        with McCain its just the plain old political LIES we always get from the GOP...  with hillary its a disconnect from reality... imho

        "THE SURGE IS WORKING" is the 2008 replacement for "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

        by KnotIookin on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:49:03 PM PDT

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    •  Being a POW is McSame's 9/11 (6+ / 0-)

      Obama is gonna drink your milkshake

      by LoLoLaLa on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:47:28 PM PDT

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      •  being a POW (1+ / 0-)
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        isn't something you can really knock someone for... but then again it's not what the popular media builds it up to be.

        Anyone in the service can become a POW - just get captured. It's not like someone who gets a bronze or silver star for heroism under fire. (Maybe it's more like being under "sniper fire" LOL? - no not that bad).

        Anyway, the way he is using it should be challenged, but in an honest way and real way. The POW experience should be recognized for what it is, a very hard experience, but it's not anything anyone chooses and does not mean you are a great person, likely to make good decisions or anything of the sort. You are not really a "hero" either, although the hardship must be acknowleged and no doubt it has an effect on people. Honest discussions are good.  

        Enough triangulation, calculation & equivocation... regular politics won't do... so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief - Molly Ivins on Hi

        by Judgment at Nuremberg on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:26:37 PM PDT

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        •  he missed an opportunity to hit Hillary (1+ / 0-)
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          Reguarding snipergate. That was such an insult to people who have actually be under fire. She was so glib about it. Made me sick.

          That's $25,000 alpaca; you blot that shit.

          by LoLoLaLa on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:47:09 PM PDT

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          •  It's in the republicans interest to prop her up (1+ / 0-)
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            for now. It's not just Rush Limbaugh, there are republicans all over the net promoting her cynically. I see it daily.

            The longer the race goes on, especially in the negative mode she is in, the better it divides and diminishes the democratic party.

            McCain could absolutely destroy her on that sniper bullshit lie of hers. But he knows she won't be the nominee and she is even more useful than Nader was in 2000.      

            Enough triangulation, calculation & equivocation... regular politics won't do... so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief - Molly Ivins on Hi

            by Judgment at Nuremberg on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:10:30 PM PDT

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    •  McCain missed a LOT when a POW (0+ / 0-)

      He was captured October 26, 1967 and released March 14, 1973.

      Think about all the important cultural and political events that happened during that period. As a benchmark,  Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned October 10, 1973, amidst charges of bribery, tax evasion and money laundering. Nixon chose Representative Gerald Ford to replace Agnew.

      McCain missed a lot including the end of LBJ's
      administration, domestic anti-war efforts, and Nixon's entire first term.

      If McCain professes to have been ignorant about MLK Jr. (which is nonsense since MLK Jr. had been trascendent starting in the 1950s), how much of other important milestones in American history is he ignorant about?

      We're in a culture that increasingly holds that science is just another belief. - Alan Alda

      by sawgrass727 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:51:34 PM PDT

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  •  Flashback to 2000: (22+ / 0-)

    On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/...

    If this man is president, how will he react towards asian country's

  •  Strom Thurman enjoyed it too nt (4+ / 0-)
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    "Universal suffrage should rest upon universal education." - Rutherford B. Hayes

    by rdxtion on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:37:38 PM PDT

  •  Just listened to (21+ / 0-)

    Obama's speech today -- McCain is toast.  I'm not even counting the obvious visual shock when the two of them are standing side-by-side for the first debate -- I'm talking about appeal to our better selves.  Even morans might get it.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:38:03 PM PDT

  •  Meaningful News? (4+ / 0-)
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    It sounds to me like meaningful news he missed was about NASA, not the useless news about King and Kennedy.

  •  it's a way to respond to anything with (4+ / 0-)
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    "but I was tortured."

  •  Robert Kennedy: Delivering News of King's Death (17+ / 0-)

    " ..
    It was supposed to be a routine campaign stop. In a poor section of Indianapolis, 40 years ago Friday, a crowd had waited an hour to hear the presidential candidate speak. The candidate, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, had been warned not to go by the city's police chief.
    As his car entered the neighborhood, his police escort left him. Once there, he stood in the back of a flatbed truck. He turned to an aide and asked, "Do they know about Martin Luther King?"
    They didn't, and it was left to Kennedy to tell them that King had been shot and killed that night in Memphis, Tenn. The crowd gasped in horror.
    .. "
    (Listen: Audio: Sen. Kennedy Speaks In Indianapolis About the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., April 4, 1968)
    http://www.npr.org/...

    This time it's personal.

    by apostrophe on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:38:25 PM PDT

  •  unfair framing, kos? (21+ / 0-)

    I hates me some McCain as much as the next liberal patriot, but I think your inference here is unfair. It seems to me McCain intended something like: "They didn't give us the meaningful news. Well, OK, they told us about Martin and Bobby, but not the moon shots. It was selective."

    "I made the wrong mistakes" --Thelonious Monk

    by theloniously on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:38:39 PM PDT

    •  I agree. (7+ / 0-)

      See my post just below.

      We're going to get yelled at, though.

      •  whee! pie fight, ya think? (1+ / 0-)
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        "I made the wrong mistakes" --Thelonious Monk

        by theloniously on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:41:18 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  i think the Right will confuse voters on "race" (1+ / 0-)
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        and so I support both the SadTexan and theloniously's comments.

        please check out my below comment: http://www.dailykos.com/...

        -- call your Senators on PEPFAR reauthorization (U.S. global AIDS Bill)

        by distraught on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:48:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I'm not going to yell (1+ / 0-)
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        But I do disagree with you. And the other posters below who have put forward an alternate explanation for his comment.  Those alternatives are certainly rational and reasonable, but I just don't think they are correct.

        My feeling is that Senator McCain didn't view Dr. King's murder as meaningful because he couldn't see it in a larger context--how it would impact not just the African-American community, but the nation as a whole. The trajectory of his life before, during and after his military service didn't/doesn't seem to include much reflection on the state of Black America.

        •  Isn't this what he admits? (0+ / 0-)

          If we're going to attempt to have a national dialog with any chance of moving us forward on race relations, we have to stop assuming the worst of people.

          It seems to me that McCain is somewhat awkwardly admitting that Black America was not a concern of his. He didn't grow up thinking about it and his adult life wasn't concerned with it. His constituency has been predominantly White. Sad, but likely true.

          And while he was sitting in a prisoner's cell, it probably wasn't his focus, either. Understandable. I also find it plausible that he was completely out of touch with what was going on in the US given his situation in Vietnam.

          Now, I think he's an oaf. I don't think being a POW makes you a "hero" or some special kind of leader. It does make you someone who has survived something most of us can never imagine, but I'm not sure why we equate that with leadership. And the fact that he did miss so much of a cultural movement that was pivotal here, means he's not connected to us socially which is problematic when it comes to looking to him for leadership on social issues.

          That said, I applaud him for even saying that he was wrong. Would that more of us could do so...

        •  not to mention his military service... (0+ / 0-)

          Would have put him directly in contact with persons of diverse ethnicities and races.

          If he doesn't know the score, then he deserves the scorn he's getting.

          --Country before party--

          by chipoliwog on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:35:23 AM PDT

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    •  I agree with you (12+ / 0-)

      I think that the whole idea of this being front page story is well....Kos you are a better "thinker" than trash talking about MLK day.

      Why couldn't the position of this diary been about what McCain is not doing for the black community and other underserved American citizens.

      What was his position on the bankruptcy bill a few years ago?

      What are his plans to lower incarceration rates and increase access to meaninful education?

      What are his plans for Head Start programs?

      What are his plans to tackle predatory lending?

      What is he going to do to repay the service of the underserved minorities who are fighting his 100 year war?

      •  Agreed (4+ / 0-)

        It's worth bearing in mind that the Moon Shot meant that America had won the space race and signified a major shift in the east/west power politics of the time. To a guy in a POW camp that might have been important.

        The deaths of famous people, the kind of news that would be shared to demoralise you - that's not so interesting in those situations.

        And that's what he's saying, not that 20 years later he couldn't put those events in context, but that his captors rationed his news to not include things which were meaningful to him - a P.O.W.

        Sorry Kos, this was selective quoting and point scoring and a bit below the standard expected on the front page here. Even if it is your house :-)

    •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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      I agree with you on this point.  However, the broader issue is how ignorant McCain (and most of today's Republican Party) seem to be on what the Civil Rights movement represented and what it meant to Americans.  If there is a meaningful debate on race in America, do you think McCain stands a chance against anyone?  

      "The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      by djbender on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:46:41 PM PDT

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      •  average joe and jane voter (1+ / 0-)
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        care about pocketbook issues and at the end of the day they want a government that WORKS.

        They don't want ANOTHER election where each side bickers and whines 50 rounds about whether or not it was a selective typewriter that was used for the fake National Guard memo or whether or not Kerry threw the medals or the ribbons over the fence.

        What I am trying to say here is that after all the outrage and dust has settled about the McCain's opinion from 20 years ago about the MLK holiday - everyday Americans are still looking for government to work for them.

        and this is the conversation we have to show to them about our ideas.

      •  yes (0+ / 0-)

        because putting "whites" on the defensive(which is waht will happen if the media pounds McCain over something stoopid like this) will not cause them to flock to Obama. They will hunker down and take McCain's side, because he's good at making the media appear to be overbearing oafs with nothing better to do than make someone feel guilty for being in a prison camp while he should have been writing resolutions honoring MLKs birthday.
        That would be suicide on our part. Criticize the decisions, not the supposed "bigot" making them.

        •  This is not stupid. (0+ / 0-)

          Nor is this issue solely hinged upon whites.

          You see, that's why colorblindness is a dangerous problem.

          My .02.

          --politicalceci

          "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

          by politicalceci on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:56:52 PM PDT

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    •  I think you're right, theloniously. (3+ / 0-)
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      Seems what McCain really meant was:  "those two items, about King and Kennedy were exceptions."

      I posted a snide comment about McCain above, and I still think he's a b.s. artist about this and many other issues.  But you're right,  Markos' interpretation of this particular remark now doesn't seem fair.

      Thanks for standing up.  

      President JOHN McCAIN = George W. Bush's third term.

      by chumley on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:49:46 PM PDT

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    •  Yes. (5+ / 0-)

      And I take "they never gave us any meaningful news" in this case to mean something like "the news they gave us was so selective that we never had any true picture of what was going on in the world." I would imagine, too that his captors made a point of giving him the bad news about America--like the Kennedy and King assassinations--but carefully omitted any good news. I would have to agree, that wouldn't be very meaningful.

      Best to back away from this one.

    •  The GOP would frame a slip like that (1+ / 0-)
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      a lot less charitably than kos did.  And it would be re-run and attacked for six days straight on Fox News.

      "That's what killed Dennis Day-- contempt for the audience." -- Phil Hartman as Frank Sinatra

      by Pangloss on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:52:19 PM PDT

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    •  I don't agree at all. (1+ / 0-)
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      Meaningful news, then he gave an example of news he thought was meaningful and news that was not, in his mind.

      Basically he's saying (I think) that they gave him news about his country, but not the pie in the sky safe stuff.

      Poor McCain the Vietcong made him listen to bad news about how his "friends" his fellow Americans treated people and he couldn't stand it.

      He meant what he said.  He didn't want bad news, he only wanted one view of America.

      Did you know that Obama is responsible for everything ever uttered by a black person and any supporter? Obama-Taking on the sins of the world since 1/03/08.

      by Shhs on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:57:21 PM PDT

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      •  Surely meaningful in his context at the time? (1+ / 0-)
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        Meaningful news, then he gave an example of news he thought was meaningful and news that was not, in his mind.

        As I just noted above, to a POW a moonshot was meaningful. It meant the space race was won and that might mean you stood a better chance of going home. The deaths of Kennedy and King didn't tell you anything, they just made you miserable.

        •  Even though African Americans fought (1+ / 0-)
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          and died at higher rates in Vietnam than their white counterparts....

          This is a time when he should have thought b4 he Spoke.

          My dad was in Vietnam in 68 (not a POW) and he thought that was meaningful.  He has to be able to put himself in the shoes of All Americans. If he can't do that he shouldn't be president.

          Did you know that Obama is responsible for everything ever uttered by a black person and any supporter? Obama-Taking on the sins of the world since 1/03/08.

          by Shhs on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:05:08 PM PDT

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          •  he's talking about (0+ / 0-)

            how he felt WHILE he was imprisoned. Have you ever been imprisoned? Once you have and you've spent the time becoming enlightened and have walked out as a bodhisattva then, perhaps you can judge. Though that would anathema....

        •  Huh? (1+ / 0-)
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          It meant the space race was won and that might mean you stood a better chance of going home.

          I don't understand that at all. The North Vietnamese cared nothing about manned spaceflight, and I don't think McCain is stupid enough to have thought that.

          Using Occam's Razor, the interview quote in question has a very simple meaning. To McCain, the civil rights movement in the US was unimportant. To McCain, astronauts landing on the moon was important. Simple.

          Sounds like a fighter jock to me, I don't understand why this would surprise anyone.

          -Jay-

      •  Wow, how humane of you (0+ / 0-)

        So, you're sitting in a prison cell for years and your captors are tormenting you in a myriad ways and one of them is to filter out the good news from home.

        And you want to condemn him for longing for some light?

        You can dislike the guy, disagree with his politics, choose not to vote for him, but I don't see the point to these kinds of vicious personal attacks.

    •  What Would MLK Say ? (1+ / 0-)
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      He'd probably cut McCain slack for things that happened a long time ago.

      •  See Above comment. (2+ / 0-)
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        OH and MLK would call McCain out everyday on his war mongering, economic crisis forgetting ways.

        Did you know that Obama is responsible for everything ever uttered by a black person and any supporter? Obama-Taking on the sins of the world since 1/03/08.

        by Shhs on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:05:56 PM PDT

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    •  He's made a few leaps to interpret things in a (0+ / 0-)

      bad way before.  I just take it as Kos being Kos at this point.  It's exasperating to be on the wrong side of it, but even when we're not, we should be careful about throwing around this sort of accusation.  Use it where it makes sense, like voting against MLK Day.  Otherwise, keep your powder dry (!).  There will surely be more (and more legitimate) opportunities.

      Jumping on the politicalcompass.org bandwagon: (-3.63, -3.03) - Does that make me part of the right wing here?

      by someone else on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:07:24 PM PDT

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    •  What's Received From Politicians Is What Matters (0+ / 0-)

      It doesn't matter what McCain "meant". All that matters of politicians is what's said, and what people understand it to mean. When he said that, he said to anyone able to speak and hear English properly that the assassinations weren't meaningful, because they omitted the meaningful news like the Moon shot, but didn't omit the assassinations.

      Politicians' only effect is in their speech. When they say things, the reception of their message is the only thing that matters. If they're crap on the inside, but their work does good, then they're worth having as politicians. Likewise the reverse: well-intentioned politicians who do wrong are bad.

      Politicians have to be held to a higher standard than are civilians when explaining their thoughts. McCain fails the test.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:07:55 PM PDT

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      •  I agree! (0+ / 0-)

        with you here, and have commented similarly myself: either candidate X said something stupid and hateful, or candidate X doesn't know how to speak in pubic, which is almost as bad.

        I still think it's bad strategy (never mind unfair) to magnify plausible slip-ups like this when there's so much unambiguous crap that spews from McCain's straight-shooting pie-hole.

        "I made the wrong mistakes" --Thelonious Monk

        by theloniously on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:44:50 PM PDT

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        •  Gotchas Work (0+ / 0-)

          Again, I don't think it matters whether it was a "slip up", or what kind - freudian slip or just simple verbal noise. What matters is that he said it, and that he didn't correct himself, even after he heard himself.

          And that record stands. To be used to attack him. It's not like McCain's other voluminous record shows that this conclusion about those words is somehow wrong. He in fact opposed MLK Day, along with the rest of Arizona's majority and government, for a long time, during which MLK certainly didn't change.

          This old blurt is perfectly fair to use, because it is representative of him. And because effective mass communication requires mostly soundbites with the current sophistication of Americans, it's perfectly legit, because it's the appropriate medium in which to show what McCain was (and, without correction, still is). Which was a guy who didn't think MLK's assassination was significant. Let him prove otherwise: he certainly hasn't yet, and he's had 71 years and a lot of spotlight in which to do so.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:59:00 PM PDT

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    •  You get a rec for this (2+ / 0-)
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      And anyone here who listened, REALLY listened, to Baracks speech on race would know your comments are the best way for liberals (and all of us concerned for Obamas' election this fall) to behave.

      We should set an example for a level of understanding that will help change the dialog about race among all of us in this country.

      david/sf

    •  But the MLK vote (0+ / 0-)

      was 1983 and he was a member of Congress. Are you suggesting that someone so out of touch about the issues of race and the civil rights movement because he was a POW more than DECADE before the MLK holiday vote should even be in Congress?

      I could forgive him for not being aware of the the killing of MLK and the moon-shot in the time of his being released, but he was still so clueless about our society while he was in the military and and POW more than a decade later and he is to be thought credible as being a member of Congress?

  •  I hope we can be very, very careful (7+ / 0-)

    with things like this.

    I don't disagree with anything kos has written, but these kinds of comments referring to McCain's time as a POW make me nervous.  Not just politically.  Also morally.  

    It would be awfully easy to twist this kind of sentiment into "lefty bloggers complain that McCain didn't keep up with the news while he was a POW."

    I know y'all are going to say that I'm hypersensitive and/or call me a McCain apologist, but that period in his life is off limits, as far as I'm concerned.

    •  Well I'll Take it a Step Further (10+ / 0-)

      I disagree with what Kos has written:

      McCain didn't think MLK's assassination was "meaningful"

      Not only is that "disagreeable," it's complete bullshit.  McCain doesn't have a stellar record on race relations and probably even has his prejudices.

      But his statement about not being told anything meaningful needs to be taken in context.  He was in a PRISONER OF WAR CAMP.  Exactly how meaningful would the deaths of famous people (even wonderful famous people like Dr. King) be to you in such a situation?  He wasn't given meaningful news about what was going on in the world.  With world politics.  And WAR ( you know?  Prisoner of War camp ).

      Insinuations this pathetic would have me pitching my copy of Crashing the Gate, if I hadn't pitched it several front page articles ago.

      •  The interview was in 1987. (2+ / 0-)
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        Did he not read an American history book in 20 years?

        The IMF = A bill collector for the G-7 nations.

        by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:48:08 PM PDT

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      •  ditto (1+ / 0-)
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        I agree with you too.

        So McCain did not have the life experience that allowed him the opportunity to feel the civil rights era and empathize with MLK day.

        OK, he was otherwise unavoidably detained the day MLK was assassinated.

        Are we going to go 1000 rounds with everybody about how McCain was ambivalent about the holiday.

        ....or we going to push McCain's feet to the fire about what his policy positions are on agenda items that truly make a difference in American's everyday lives?

        like access to homeownership and meaning education opportunities?

        I just feel this plundering on McCain about the MLK holiday thing... is ...well ... petty.

        Is this the best attack that we can come up with?

      •  I would agree with (5+ / 0-)
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        this if it weren't 20 years later that he was fighting to not have MLK birthday a holiday and now saying he didn't know about him.  That negates what was an honest reaction at the time of his hearing the news.  But by 20 years later he would have sort of been clued in by someone.

        •  Twenty Years Changes NOTHING (2+ / 0-)
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          He's saying MLK's assassination was not meaningful news to him as a POW in Vietnam because MLK'S ASSASSINATION WAS NOT MEANINGFUL NEWS TO POW'S IN VIETNAM.  It's just a fact.  If he said it again TODAY it would still be true.  There's probably some US Contractor being held by Iraqi extremists in Iraq right now.  If they took the gag out of their captives mouth and said, "Oh just so you know Hillary Clinton is releasing her tax returns today" then put it back in and resumed the flailing, it wouldn't be meaningful news to them either.

          •  Well, again (1+ / 0-)
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            vernonbc

            I agree it wasn't meaningful at the time.  20 years later it should be a different story.  

            And please do not use the example of Clinton's taxes with the death MLK.  

            My guess is that if you are a senator and your state were arguing the point of having a holiday in honor of someone you know nothing about---you should at least try and find out. So even if he hadn't cared at the time of MLK death, he should/would have known how important it was at the time he was asked to take action on it.

            •  No. It Should Not be a Different Story. (0+ / 0-)

              I repeat this with nothing but the sincerest hope that you will understand.

              The assassination of Martin Luther King was a great tragedy, one of the most awful things in our history.  He was a great man, and each of us owes him a huge debt.  Of that there can be no question.  Period.  End of that thought.

              Next concept:

              The assassination of Martin Luther King is not meaningful news to a POW.  Twenty years later, when you are relating the story, it STILL wasn't meaningful news they were giving you.  

              Does John McCain actually believe all that stuff I said about MLK?  I have no idea.  But John McCain is absolutely right when he says the news was meaningless coming from his captors in 1968, and he'd be right if he said it again tomorrow.

              •  I do understand what (1+ / 0-)
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                you are saying, but I disagee.  

                My children were not born yet.  MLK, Kennedy, Lincoln, their deaths meant NOTHING to them.  But, they have the reasoning skills to realize how important to our history these individuals are.

                Should someone unable to grasp the importance of history, be given a pass, because of or in spite of their life experiences, especially when their job is running the government?  

                •  You Still Just Don't Get This (0+ / 0-)

                  McCain did not say King's assassination was not an important event in our history.  He said King's assassination was not meaningful news to him while he was a POW.

                  I just can't make it any simpler than that, I'm sorry.

                  •  What he he (1+ / 0-)
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                    said today was that in 1983 he voted against a holiday because he didn't know about how inportant it was, since he was POW when it happened  

                    Not that he didn't know how important it was in 1968...that by 1983 he STILL didn't know it was an important enough event to warrant a holiday.  

                    You are making what you say very plain.  Unfortunately, I cannot make myslf plain that the problem I have is that when you hold an important government office you should educate yourself on issues you are voting on, and not making excuses that to me don't hold water because of the long time lapse.

                    Of course he didn't know or care in 1968...understandable.  I have a hard time with him using the excuse in 2008 that in 1983 he still didn't know how important event was that happened in 1968 while he was a POW

                    But I think we will agree we see this very differently.

                    •  Actually I Don't Even Think We Disagree (0+ / 0-)

                      on anything.

                      I'm saying Kos' article is shit because he uses the quote from McCain about his POW days to imply that McCain thinks King and his assassination were not meaningful.  I've also said numerous times that I don't excuse McCain's position on MLK Day or buy his reasons for that.  Kos even went so far as to say that McCain thinks MLK "ain't shit" or some variation of that, which I also think is WAY reaching based on anything the guy has ever said.

                      But I concur with everything you're saying here.

    •  All My Right Wing Ex-Military Friends (4+ / 0-)
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      ...complain that McCain was a self-serving shit, before, during, and after his experience as a POW.

      I'm happy to have them make that case.

      •  Um, (0+ / 0-)

        "during"?  How'd they know that?  Were they there with him?

      •  This is So Ugly (2+ / 0-)
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        Self serving during his time as a POW?  So I suppose they never even had to torture him.  He probably just you know, sat back in a chaise lounge and started rattling off detailed plans on the best way they could attack our bases, etc.

        John McCain is a PATRIOT who gave more for this country than I ever will.  And it is IN SPITE of that that I think he would still be a godawful President.  We do not need to go down this road and all we're doing is writing Bill O'Reilly's bullshit Talking Points for him.

        •  So What You're Saying Is (2+ / 0-)
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          ....regardless of what I, or anyone else, might have gleaned from our associations with career military officers who weren't privileged sons of admirals, we should just shut our fucking pie holes.

          John McCain is, like George W. Bush, a guy who was born on third base and has gone through life thinking he hit a triple.

          The only difference is that W. was born onto third base in the oil business, and McCain was born onto third base in the war business.

          The impression his peers have given me is that maybe if he had kept his pants zipped and hadn't fucked quite so many of his subordinates' wives after he got back, they wouldn't hate him so much.

          But I shouldn't mention that either, because it's just so ugly, right?

  •  Remind me again, please (0+ / 0-)

    who, exactly, is McCain's base? Is there any group that actually supports this drivel?

    "Don't have nobody to call my own; please, please bring me a dream."

    by MrSandman on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:38:56 PM PDT

  •  HIS STATE DIDN'T HAVE BLACK PEOPLE? (16+ / 0-)

    Please tell me he didn't really say that.

    I grew up in AZ. Not only were there blacks (and Asians, and Latinos) but there were also segregation battles.  Thankfully, not as violent as other places, but I am much younger than John McCain, and I knew this.

    Jiminy Christmas, what a tool.

    Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

    by boadicea on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:39:09 PM PDT

  •  Leaders like McCain kept the nation ... (14+ / 0-)

    ...from officially commemorating Martin Luther King's life for decades because they didn't care about the cause he espoused, bought into the right-wing smears against him and (at least secretly) pined for the good ol' days before the reverend's efforts contributed to making the changes we've seen.

    What would be interesting is to see what kind of speeches McCain made, if any, regarding opposition to the commemorative holiday.

    The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose. - Frederick Douglass

    by Meteor Blades on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:39:58 PM PDT

    •  Unfortunately the 1983 Congressional Record (0+ / 0-)

      isn't available online (it only goes back to '94).

      (1983 was when he voted against it.)  

      Someone with Nexis/Lexis should be searching for quotations from McCain in newspapers back then.

      Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

      by willyr on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:44:25 PM PDT

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  •  I'm gonna get trounced for this. (14+ / 0-)

    But I can see where he was going with that. He was denied all but the most negative news about the US. It was extremely poor phrasing, but I don't think he was belittleing the RFK and MLK assassinations. It was a comment on how the news he received did not reflect an accurate picture of world events.

    His vote on MLK day and the comments on the plane today however were pretty indefensible.

    Ok I know the drill, just try not to aim for the face or the groin, swing away folks.

    Grunge is still in... right?

    by Windowdog on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:40:17 PM PDT

  •  So blacks and liberals aren't meaningful to him (4+ / 0-)
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    I guess.

    Sorry I have to run to the Senate floor to abolish torture.

    by bten on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:40:27 PM PDT

  •  I grew up in Canada (3+ / 0-)
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    I was a kid in 1968 and I knew about the civil rights struggle. Are you kidding me?

    Even in those days after POW captivity he must have heard about "I have a dream".

  •  April 4, 1968 McCain was in solitary confinement (4+ / 0-)

    at Hanoi Hilton. So, he may have missed all of the significance of Dr. King's death on our country. Before he was a POW, he was in the military where Dr. King's views on violence may have been ignored, too.

    I will vote for Obama base on other issues.

    •  The interview was in '87, right? (4+ / 0-)

      It appears that in 1987 he still didn't think that King's murder constituted meaningful news.  Correct me if I am wrong.

      The IMF = A bill collector for the G-7 nations.

      by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:49:55 PM PDT

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      •  Arizona is still Goldwater country in 87. (0+ / 0-)
        •  I agree with you guys 100% (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          But I think that going after McCain for something that can be framed or understood as "not being sufficiently P.C." is not going to go over well with the portion of the electorate that would actually be choosing between Obama and McCain.

          Unless it's a slam dunk -- e.g. McCain donning a klan hood -- it's going to be dismissed.  The press basically dismisses anything about McCain that doesn't fit into their pre-conceived notions of him.

          If we make noise about it, it doesn't help us.  He gets a free pass for the years he was a POW.  It doesn't matter if the timeline is actually in the 1980's.  Free pass.  Our making noise about it only undermines our side.

          http://coolbluereason.blogspot.com/

          by Cool Blue Reason on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:00:41 PM PDT

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      •  You're Wrong, I'll Correct You (5+ / 0-)

        When you're a Prisoner of War, "meaningful news," isn't who gets murdered.  "Meaningful News" is news that has some relationship to how much longer you're going to be a prisoner of war.

        Let's say I kidnap you and start torturing you every day... let's say this keeps up for oh I don't know.... three years.  Then let's say on the first day of the fourth year, I tell you "Oh hey, while I'm torturing you... I heard on the radio that Desmond Tutu was assassinated.  What a crazy world, huh?"

        After I freed you, years later (heck lets say you killed me and managed to escape) do you think you'd say, "Well he tortured me every day, but he DID give me meaningful information."

        No, you wouldn't.  Because "Meaningful" information when you're a tortured prisoner is, "Any news that relates to how much longer you're going to be a tortured prisoner."

        •  Exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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          There's more to the story, of course (e.g., everything that came after, McCain's racist pandering in the 1980's), but he's going to get a free pass because of the above.  He was being tortured in a POW camp.  Pretty much end of story, in terms of the political narrative.

          Moreover, the greatest potential for an Obama candidacy is that we can collectively get the hell out of the Vietnam era and stop fighting the same culture war battles.

          When they bring it up, we need to treat it like Grandpa Simpson spouting nonsense, and move on to the business of repairing the country as it exists today.

          I understand this being the topic of the day on the anniversary of MLK's death, but our best hope is to avoid getting sucked back into that territory.  That's where we lose.

          http://coolbluereason.blogspot.com/

          by Cool Blue Reason on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:06:59 PM PDT

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        •  His words implied that (0+ / 0-)

          the Moon landing would have been meaningful, but that the deaths of political leaders weren't.  At best it is a bizarre statement, and at worst it evidences his adverse sentiments, probably race driven, toward the Civil Rights era.

          The IMF = A bill collector for the G-7 nations.

          by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:16:56 PM PDT

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          •  The Moon Landing (2+ / 0-)
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            Was a major globo-political event.  It was the absolute summit in a proxy war (the space race) between the US and the Soviet Union... in particular a massive defeat for the USSR.

            McCain was a POW in another proxy war between those two powers.  The "Defeat" the russians suffered when we landed on the moon would have been meaningful news indeed.

            •  Well, I disagree. (2+ / 0-)
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              simnyc, lirtydies

              Millions of my fellow African Americans getting the right to vote was far more important than two white guys landing on the moon so that America's President could claim a small victory in the Cold War.

              The IMF = A bill collector for the G-7 nations.

              by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:29:56 PM PDT

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              •  It quite literally depends on "point of view" (0+ / 0-)

                If you were a farmer in Nebraska, you would see one thing.

                A professor in New York would see another.

                A newly enfranchised voter in the South, likewise.

                McCain was seeing what he saw from the perspective of a POW.  Which is to say he saw whatever his captors chose to share with him.  Most all of it was certainly negative propaganda meant to demoralize him.  Race riots, assassinations, etc. were certainly part of that.

                The POW context didn't make those things any less real or politically significant back home, but it did provide reasons for McCain to effectively tune them out.

                Again, there is a wealth of options for legitimately bashing McCain -- this is literally the last thing we should be attacking him for.  We will only be cutting our legs out from under us.

                http://coolbluereason.blogspot.com/

                by Cool Blue Reason on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:41:22 PM PDT

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              •  You Are Being Intentionally Dense (0+ / 0-)

                Of COURSE African Americans all getting the right to vote is bigger news and more historically important than the moon landing.  Well I guess I should say, "I agree with you that it is."  There are probably science nerds out there who'd call it a tie.

                But that isn't even what we're talking about.  We're talking about what qualifies as meaningful news to someone who is in a POW camp.  And King's death--while tragic--did not.

    •  Agreed. (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't see the utility in flogging him on this one.  Sure, he deserves it, but it's just going to build resentment on the part of those who are inclined to give him the pass on this due to his being a POW at the time.

      In other words, we're not winning over anyone with this, and it probably tends to undermine the electoral support of our nominee.

      That would be unfortunate, especially given the wealth of options when it comes to beating up on McCain.

      http://coolbluereason.blogspot.com/

      by Cool Blue Reason on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:54:59 PM PDT

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  •  McCain hates lots of people (1+ / 0-)
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    Eloise

    He referred to Asians as "gooks" in 2000 and said "I hate all gooks."

    McCain supported Evan Meacham, a hard core racist.

    The bigotry in McBush's past is there and well documented.  The trick is how to bring it out..

    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

    by davefromqueens on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:42:42 PM PDT

  •  MLK Pass (1+ / 0-)
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    SadTexan

    Come on.  I think the guy may deserve a break on this.  After all, he was a POW from a year before King's assassination until years afterward.

    I'm sure US events paled in comparison to what he was going through.

    He missed the "significance" because he wasn't here.

    •  History didn't stop (6+ / 0-)

      after he came back from his ordeal, and recovered sufficiently to have a political career.

      The issue to me is not that he didn't have a contemporaneous reference, but how he conducted himself afterwards as a political leader.

      I lived in AZ while we were being boycotted because of the refusal to honor Dr. King with a holiday.  If John McCain were in opposition to the governor, I would think there would have been news reports on it.

      Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

      by boadicea on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:48:24 PM PDT

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    •  He knew who King was before (2+ / 0-)
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      he was a POW.  He had to have known about the March on Washington in August 1963.  King won the 1964 Nobel Peace Prize.  The winner of the Nobel Peace Prize from your own country gets killed by an assasin, and it's not "meaningful?"

      "That's what killed Dennis Day-- contempt for the audience." -- Phil Hartman as Frank Sinatra

      by Pangloss on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:58:01 PM PDT

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    •  No way - this was a big issue in AZ (0+ / 0-)

      Arizona was the only state not to celebrate MLK day a number of years ago ( 15? more?) when Mecham was governor.

      It was a big issue. I am curious how McCain weighed in on this one.

      But he certainly can not claim ignorance.

      All schoolchildren who were not even alive when MLK was alive know who he is.

      It is a slap in the face on the part of McCain to say he doesnt know who he is. Either he is so old that he has lost his mind, or it is a lie and an insult.

  •  Wow. (2+ / 0-)
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    DemDachshund, lirtydies

    What a total fucking asshole.

    I have nothing nicer to say about that.

  •  Give McCain's team some credit (0+ / 0-)

    They have done their homework, realized these comments would come out during the campaign, are trying to innoculate him.

    They were pretty inexcusable remarks, but let's not forget he is surrounding himself with some smart professionals.

  •  Y'all MUST admit ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... it takes a man to admit of his erring ways, like John McCain did today:

    http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/...

  •  US Naturalization Test Question: (1+ / 0-)
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    Shhs

    Q: Who is Martin Luthor King Jr?
    A: A civil rights leader.

    --- "opendna is high and just makin' shit up outta nowhere." - greenskeeper

    by opendna on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:43:27 PM PDT

  •  careful with charges of racism (1+ / 0-)
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    SadTexan

    I posted about this in the previous diary on McCain & the MLK Holiday, and I think it's relevant to repeat.

    The Right will try to lump our legitimate criticisms of McCain (on race, the MLK Holdiay & "gooks") together with the illegitimate ones (like starting a campaign tour in a city, where 3 Civil Rights workers were infamously murdered), thereby the Right will try to confuse the electorate.

    see the blog from the WSJ, called "Best of the Web Today" from yesterday
    http://online.wsj.com/...

    But you can see where all this is going. If Obama is the Democratic nominee, the liberal message will be that a vote for McCain is a vote for racism. Our guess it that this will not be a winning campaign strategy: Most nonblack voters will be put off by this kind of crude moral intimidation.

    If McCain wins, liberal mythmakers will insist it is because America is a racist country, and their logic will be as airtight as Stoller's and Yglesias's. Whether for political reasons or out of their own moral vanity, those who claim they want "racial reconciliation" are all too eager to practice divisive, if stupid, politics.

    -- call your Senators on PEPFAR reauthorization (U.S. global AIDS Bill)

    by distraught on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:43:36 PM PDT

    •  Are nonblack voters more important? (0+ / 0-)

      That's the type of inference I get whenever someone goes down that road.  I believe that Mr. McCain's comments about race are a serious issue.  The entire package has to be drawn out.  I give Kos kudos for doing it.

      If we left discussions of race upon some "so-called" liberals who are too afraid about race and are prone to colorblindness we'd never get out the door in terms of unity and reconciliation.

      --politicalceci

      "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

      by politicalceci on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:02:22 PM PDT

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  •  McCain successfully shoots self in foot (1+ / 0-)
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    earicicle

    I guess he's banking on the white supremacists carrying him to the WH?

    Just when I think that my respect for McCain can't get any lower, he somehow manages to surprise me...

    •  He' counting on the media (4+ / 0-)
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      He's counting on the media who will always repeat any Rev. Wright type stuff but who will ban this statement, his "I hate the gooks statement", etc. from the airwaves even though they know it's relevant and readily available.

      Sigh.... I wish he was wrong.  

      The only place where Republicans are anywhere close to responsible is in the dictionary.

      by DemDachshund on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:46:50 PM PDT

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      •  Even if they release his gooks statement (4+ / 0-)

        Everyone will defend him because he was a POW. Apparently it's ok to say whatever you want about a race if you were once treated poorly.

        Hey! Wait a minute! So, wouldn't that mean that because blacks were abducted from their country, sold into slavery, abused, raped, etc, they would be able to say whatever they want about whites?

        Oh, it only counts if they personally experienced it, not generations of their kin. And treatment of AA in America through the current time doesn't count?

        Ok, I get it. Basicaly, it's ok for McCain to be a hypocrite.

        F the MSM. they suck...

  •  Hard to say this statement is racist... (3+ / 0-)
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    SadTexan, amRadioHed, Eloise

    As he says he heard about Bobby in the same paragraph.

    Could be poor context, could be that he didn't care about Bobby or Martin.  Tough sell either way.

    But to say this indicates racism is, I think, out of bounds.

    (ducking head to avoid flames)

  •  Come on (1+ / 0-)
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    SadTexan

    You can know who someone is and not know what they mean to another group of people.

    And pointing to his needing to rely on his North Vietnamese captors of almost 6 years for news doesn't really bolster the argument.  I doubt Ho Chi Mihn was leading discussion circles on the topic.

    Tempest in a teapot.

    "Capitalism is the only system that can make freedom, individuality, and the pursuit of values possible in practice." - Ayn Rand

    by headhunt23 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:45:01 PM PDT

  •  so much baggage (0+ / 0-)

    this is one confused and angry maverick. he looked like he was going to blow a gasket when being interviewed about this little inconvenience on his plane, the "straight-talk-jet"

    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss gazes back into you. Nietzsche

    by snewp on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:45:12 PM PDT

  •  McCain's entire pitch: I'm a war monster. Hire me (0+ / 0-)

    Doubts are traitors. -- Shakespeare

    by BA BarackUS on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:45:17 PM PDT

  •  God knows I don't want to give McCain (5+ / 0-)

    a free pass on anything, but I was watching this morning on CNN in Memphis, and he talked about the way his captors filtered the news -- he said they were quick to bring the BAD news, such as riots and assassinations, etc., because they knew it would dishearten the prisoners, but didn't bring any of the positive news about his country (presumably moon shot is in that category).

    So I am by no means a McCain fan, and he clearly waited far too long to get on board the MLK holiday thing.  But he has stated that his acquiesence of the Confederate flag flying was one of the moments he is least proud of, and that it represented sheer political calculation (he was in South Carolina) , and I think it also took some courage to go to Memphis and face a not very receptive black audience (he had some hecklers etc.)

    There are plenty of reasons not to like McCain, and to question many of his actions, but I don't think that the statements in this diary are accurate in that, having heard what he said,  I don't believe McCain meant that his captors only brought him meaningless news rather than something important like the moon shot.  It was clearly a psychological weapon that was used against him -- to tell him all the bad things that happened in his country, and none of the good things.

    •  I agree that's probably what he meant (0+ / 0-)

      And, not that McCain would go this far to analyze the situation, but it's quite likely that the guards didn't give him news about the moon landing because they didn't know about it, either.  There wasn't exactly a thriving free press in Ha Noi in 1969 -- (there isn't exactly one now, but that's another story) -- and the guards at a POW camp were hardly the sort of elite who would have access to a smuggled copy of the New York Times or be huddled around a contraband shortwave radio listening to the BBC.  

      Civility. Pass it on.

      by Eloise on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:10:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  on a slightly positive note... (1+ / 0-)
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    distraught

    at least His Angriness can say "I was wrong" unlike shrub.

    If he were to say I was wrong as often as "my Friends" it still wouldn't be enough times.

    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss gazes back into you. Nietzsche

    by snewp on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:47:17 PM PDT

  •  McCain are out of touch (0+ / 0-)

    with the real America. He can't feel the pain and the emotion of America. May be he believes that shouldn't feel the pain and the emotion, so that he can continue that war.

  •  Theloniously and SadTexan (6+ / 0-)

    I agree with your sentiments.

    I am afraid that there is not much we can do in protesting Kos' recent postings.  As much as I have praised this site to organizers, friends, neighbors and colleagues, I'm afraid that the unsupported assertions and opinions being posted recently reflect an unprofessional approach.

    I am not a supporter of Senator McCain, and I work many hours a week towards a Democratic victory.  But it doesn't help our side to take neutral statements, made several years ago, and attempt to twist them into "racist comments", when in fact, they are not.

    Just because Republicans do it, doesn't mean we have to.

  •  Another Cowboy? (4+ / 0-)
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    Elise, JML9999, statistic, Fortschreitend

    McCain is just another right wing politician that
    is trying desparately not to look like one.
    Another spoiled brat that was taken care of by his
    daddy----the Four Star Admiral---who, like a steer--
    tried.  
    He is not a "war hero".
    He was a POW---who is getting a lot of mileage
    about being a POW.
    Having heard many, many Navy pilots "talk"
    about landing on carriers, being a POW was
    almost like "ditching" so you wouldn't have to try to land on that thing again.  
    And I've heard them say that.
    Ring any bells?

  •  But he knew all about a Gov. of California (2+ / 0-)
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    rscottrewak, politicalceci

    cutting taxes while a POW. That's rich- I wish someone would do a diary juxtaposing those two statements. I don't have time.

  •  Assassinations Meaningless to Reagan Country (2+ / 0-)
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    lirtydies, politicalceci

    According to McCain, the assassination of Robert Kennedy, the Democratic frontrunner in the 1968 primaries, the guy likely to be negotiating for his release starting seven months from that date, the brother of the president assassinated 5 years prior (who'd started the war McCain was captured in), wasn't significant.

    The Moon shot was significant, though.

    Congratuations, McCain, on deserving to inherit all the meaning inherent in Ronald "Ancient Bonzo" Reagan's legacy.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:52:58 PM PDT

  •  LOL - Rep. Conyers on McCain's apology (11+ / 0-)

    Just now on MSNBC John Conyers was being interviewed via satellite in Memphis.  He mentioned McCain having shown no remorse for voting against MLK Day.  The interviewer clarified saying that McCain had apologized today during his remarks.  Conyers' reaction was fantastic, saying he was "thrilled" that McCain apologized today, noting he didn't apologize in '83, he didn't apologize in '87, but now that he's running for President, NOW's the right time to apologize - all delivered dripping in "golly gee" sarcasm.

  •  I imagine McCain meant the Cambodians would (1+ / 0-)
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    PHiZ

    tell them negative news about America like assassinations, but not positive news of accomplishments like the Moon Shot.

    I'm not in the position to comment otherwise on other McCain statements.

    And no, I'm not a Republican- I am a Democratic Obama supporter.

  •  One reading (2+ / 0-)
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    amRadioHed, soonerhq

    I think the comment can be construed to mean that the news that was provided by the captors was cherry picked to only be negative news.  It wasn't "meaningful" in aggregate because it was one-sided.  You know, like Fox.

  •  Hopefully Rachel Maddow destroys him tonight (1+ / 0-)
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    politicalceci

    That's $25,000 alpaca; you blot that shit.

    by LoLoLaLa on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:57:15 PM PDT

  •  now the MEDIA is covering for McCain (2+ / 0-)
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    lirtydies, geejay

    woooooooo   this just happened on MSNBC when some media talking head (alex witt???) just defended McCain to JOHN CONYERS who was speaking about how McCain opposed making MLK
    s bday a holiday....

    Conyers was pointing out the stuff Kos wrote in his other diary on this subject and this regular host kept saying BUT BUT MCCAIN APOLOGIZED TODAY and he introduced the bill to make MLK's b'day a holiday...  every time Conyers tried to get a word in she cut him off by saying WELL MCCAIN APOLOGIZED TODAY....

    we are up against a msm that WILL NOT hold McCain accountible on any issue AND they will rise to defend him even when THEY have to repeat the lies McCain is telling.

    wooooooooooo,  just WHOAAAAAAAAA

    we have to find a way to stop this kind of dishonest crap.

    "THE SURGE IS WORKING" is the 2008 replacement for "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

    by KnotIookin on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:57:23 PM PDT

    •  Correction on McCain's "apology" (1+ / 0-)
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      paintitblue

      I heard most of that talk in front of where MLK was shot. He did not apologize. He was defending himself. I am sure we will have a chance to to see it again.

      It made me sick frankly. I didn't watch the whole thing. His whole approach was giving his former opposition to MLK holiday context--it made him took courageous (he was nose to nose with people objecting) and stupid at the same time.

      "Throughout the world sounds one long cry from the heart of the artist: Give me the chance to do my very best."--Babette's Feast

      by lascaux on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:12:20 PM PDT

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  •  His "closet hater" base will love this (1+ / 0-)
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    geejay

    Now they can howl about how he is pandering to another group, using all those code words and concerns about what "other people" will think. In a way, the heckling may work in his favor with the extemists who loath any effort to cross the great divide that isn't "faith-based" and properly patronizing.
    This will be seen by the Pat Buchanan's and other media pundits as some sort of proof that "those people" remain risky to approach. Or that McCain has acted out of some sort of bravery, with straight-talk, to mend things up.

    •  it will definitely be spun in his favor (0+ / 0-)

      no matter what happened it would be spun in the favor of McCain

      "I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it." Zoe (Firefly)

      by geejay on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:04:58 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, McCain was "brave" to stand next to (1+ / 0-)
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        a group of "angry" Black people armed with umbrellas today without Secret Service protection. Some of them were even heckling him. Of course, some were making supportive comments, and said that they forgave him.

        "though we rush ahead to save our time- we are only what we feel" Neil Young- 1968

        by blindyone on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:29:29 PM PDT

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  •  Now, now (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    lascaux, geejay

    Isn't it possible -- nay, likely even -- that John McCain simply wasn't aware that black people existed until recently?

    Realignment (and it feels so good)

    by droogie6655321 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:59:05 PM PDT

    •  yes, maybe it's generational (0+ / 0-)

      Or he just didn't get out much. Too busy chasing down lobbyists and boasting about his war record. Self-reflection does not seem like his strong suit. Oh, yeah, Bush's baby.

      "Throughout the world sounds one long cry from the heart of the artist: Give me the chance to do my very best."--Babette's Feast

      by lascaux on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:15:27 PM PDT

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  •  A Political Calculation (1+ / 0-)
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    joiful

    When McCain supported the removal of the King Holiday in his home state of Arizona he made a political calculation. Now is the time to remember that act and vote against his racist sentiments by voting against him.

  •  Incredible (0+ / 0-)

    I know we're all supposed to tone down the racially charged rhetoric post-Rev. Wright and all, but I hope my Caucasian brothers and sisters can thicken their skins for just a moment to enjoy this incredibly apropos poem by Gil Scott Heron:

    http://youtube.com/...

  •  By the Time I Get to Arizona (5+ / 0-)

    When Arizona continued to refuse to ratify Martin Luther King Day, the hip hop savants of Public Enemy wrote this song about what they'd like to do to "bring the message to the people" there:

    By the Time I Get to Arizona by Public Enemy

    I'm countin' down to the day deservin'
    Fittin' for a king
    I'm waitin' for the time when I can
    Get to Arizona
    'Cause my money's spent on
    The goddamn rent
    Neither party is mine not the
    Jackass or the elephant
    20.000 nig niggy nigas in the corner
    Of the cell block but they come
    From California
    Population none in the desert and sun
    Wit' a gun cracker
    Runnin' things under his thumb
    Starin' hard at the postcards
    Isn't it odd and unique?
    Seein' people smile wild in the heat
    120 degree
    'Cause I wanna be free
    What's a smilin' fact
    When the whole state's racist
    Why want a holiday F--k it 'cause I wanna
    So what if I celebrate it standin' on a corner
    I ain't drinkin' no 40
    I B thinkin' time wit' a nine
    Until we get some land
    Call me the trigger man
    Looki lookin' for the governor
    Huh he ain't lovin' ya
    But here to trouble ya
    He's rubbin' ya wrong
    Get the point come along
    An he can get to the joint
    I urinated on the state
    While I was kickin' this song
    Yeah, he appear to be fair
    The cracker over there
    He try to keep it yesteryear
    The good ol' days
    The same ol' ways
    That kept us dyin'
    Yes, you me myself and I'ndeed
    What he need is a nosebleed
    Read between the lines
    Then you see the lie
    Politically planned
    But understand that's all she wrote
    When we see the real side
    That hide behind the vote
    They can't understand why he the man
    I'm singin' 'bout a king
    They don't like it
    When I decide to mike it
    Wait I'm waitin' for the date
    For the man who demands respect
    'Cause he was great c'mon
    I'm on the one mission
    To get a politician
    To honor or he's a gonner
    By the time I get to Arizona

    I got 25 days to do it
    If a wall in the sky
    Just watch me go thru it
    'Cause I gotta do what I gotta do
    PE number one
    Gets the job done
    When it's done and over
    Was because I drove'er
    Thru all the static
    Not stick but automatic
    That's the way it is
    He gotta get his
    Talin' MLK
    Gonna find a way
    Make the state pay
    Lookin' for the day
    Hard as it seems
    This ain't no damn dream
    Gotta know what I mean
    It's team against team
    Catch the light beam
    So I pray
    I pray everyday
    I do and praise jah the maker
    Lookin' for culture
    I got but not here
    From jah maker
    Pushin' and shakin' the structure
    Bringin' down the babylon
    Hearin' the sucker
    That make it hard for the brown
    The hard Boulova
    I need now
    More than ever now
    Who's sittin' on my freedah'
    Opressor people beater
    Piece of the pick
    We picked a piece
    Of land that we deservin' now
    Reparation a piece of the nation
    And damn he got the nerve
    Another niga they say and classify
    We want too much
    My peep plus the whole nine is mine
    Don't think I even double dutch
    Here's a brother my attitude hit 'em
    Hang 'em high
    Blowin' up the 90s started tickin' 86
    When the blind get a mind
    Better start and earn while we sing it
    Now
    There will be the day we know those down and who will go

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:01:51 PM PDT

  •  Compare and Contrast (2+ / 0-)
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    Living in Gin, joiful

    To Obama's speech on King today:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  Incredible (0+ / 0-)

    Not meaningful? Well, it was to me!

    GWOT - Global War on Terra(-firma) - Bush's War on the Planet.

    by grndrush on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:08:21 PM PDT

  •  I've read both of these threads (3+ / 0-)
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    amRadioHed, Oothoon, elDDeR

    and every comment, and I think you/we are working very, very, very hard to make the absolute most/worst out of what is at most a very small issue.  I worry about this because it makes me wonder if we can separate the really important from the marginally important, or whether we just reflexively pile on an opponent for anything.

    It's revisionist history to imply that there was complete agreement except among racists in the early years of fighting for the King holiday.  It just wasn't that way.

    There are lots of things to disagree with McCain about, and we'll all do it, but that's no reason to read the very worst possible construction into everything.

  •  Dissent: JSM's point was that the Vietnamese (0+ / 0-)

    ... didn't think it was "meaningful" news.  

  •  I just love how... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    politicalceci

    ...McCain delivers his remarks while a black man holds an umbrella over his head. Nice visual.

  •  If he disagreed w/his State why didn't he leave? (0+ / 0-)

    Hesiod using wingnut arguments about Obama and the Trinity Church against McCain.

  •  Unbelievable!!! (0+ / 0-)

    I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere ~ Thomas Jefferson

    by valadon on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:16:40 PM PDT

  •  I hope that voters in November (0+ / 0-)

    will send the message that McCain is not "meaningful."

    My dogs think I'm smart and pretty.

    by martydd on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:18:53 PM PDT

  •  My $.02 (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    elDDeR

    I would certainly not give McCain any recognition or medals for his leadership on civil rights. I don't however think that's necessarily racist as much as apathetic, and the complete lack of awareness or desire by some to understand race in this country. Maybe that's racism but I see it differently from those who overtly focus on race in a hateful way. I think what his beliefs and actions show, then as now, that he doesn't naturally get it but that he also has no desire to get it and why (among many,many reasons) he's unworthy to be President of all Americans.

  •  McStain (0+ / 0-)

    "SNIPERS! Chelsea, you lay down cover fire while I execute this flanking maneuver! GO, GO, GO!"

    by The Termite on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:22:47 PM PDT

  •  You missed the update from the link: (4+ / 0-)
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    soonerhq, Oothoon, mangrilla, elDDeR

    (UDATE: McCain's top aide Mark Salter says McCain didn't mean "meaningful" in that interview, arguing that what McCain was trying to say was that the Vietnamese always gave the prisoners bad news from home, not good news.)

    That sound plausible.

    McCain is a cynical opportunist on the MLK holiday -- but this post is unfair.

    •  agreed (3+ / 0-)
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      soonerhq, Oothoon, hummingbird4015

      Look, I don't get republicans.  I don't get a set of people who want to continue to try and live their lives by laws and rules that have proven especially damaging over the past however many years we've been under the cloud of these idiots.

      But I agree with the comment above.  I don't think he was saying that Kennedy's assassination or King's assassination weren't meaningful, they just weren't good news.  There was nothing meaningful in that sense of bringing hope to him while he was being tortured.

      And really, for all his faults (and he's full of him), if he was in a torture camp and heard that Martin Luther King Jr. died and really didn't put that much thought to it at the time, I can't really blame him.  Not voting for MLK Jr. Day in the 80's and his transgressions since, yes, those are major issues.  But let's all just be honest.  At that point, while being tortured and held as a POW, more "meaningful" issues were probably, "Am I going to eat today?" or, "Will I live to see another sunrise."

      I usually love kos' posts above all others on the main page, but I think this is an example of how unfair (and somewhat intellectually dishonest) we can become.  I mean, when we have so many concrete and, let's say, meaningful points to attack Senator McCain and other right-wingers on, why focus on this statement, which, at least to me, obviously wasn't intended to convey the meaning that Kos is getting from it?

      That's a Republican tactic, that's not how we should act.

  •  Obama can't win against him!! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Vita Brevis

    Okay, it makes me laugh every time I write it. McCain just needs to talk and what he's said and his record will do their own damage.

  •  what's "meaningful" when you're being tortured? (0+ / 0-)
  •  Well, (0+ / 0-)

    he really could care less about Robert Kennedy's assassination as well.

    Economic: -6.50 Social: -4.77 " Do or do not, there is no try." - Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back

    by triciawyse on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:34:04 PM PDT

  •  Disgusting. (0+ / 0-)

    Does McCain have any idea of how bad that really sounds?

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." --Blaise Pascal

    by lyvwyr101 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:40:23 PM PDT

    •  No he doesn't (0+ / 0-)

      That is what happens when someone loves listening to himself instead of paying attention to those 'less important.'

      During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

      by MAORCA on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:47:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I really hate this kind of parsing (5+ / 0-)

    I hate it when people do it to Obama ("punish them with a baby") or Mrs Obama ("first time I was really proud of my country") -- I don't like it when we do it to the other side.

    Poor Rev. Wright is the biggest victim of this kind of taking things out of context knee-jerk reaction.

    There are so many real issue to have against McCain. I don't think trying to paint McCain as a closet racist is very helpful to Obama, either.

    McCain didn't phrase it well, but clearly he meant the Vietnamese gave them negative news only. (Even if we take his comment in the worst way, he doesn't care about RFK's assassination either. Why leave that out?)

  •  God I love the internets (0+ / 0-)

    No politician of any importance will ever get away with bullshit again.

  •  McCain Rankings on Civil Rights (2+ / 0-)
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    steeplebob, politicalceci

    From the Non-Partisan Project Vote Smart

    Apparently he doesn't get very high marks from the Civil Rights community...even now. So I wonder how much he actually learned?

    Civil Liberties and Civil Rights

    2007  In 2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator McCain a grade of 50.

    2007  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 15 percent in 2007.

    2006  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State 33 percent in 2006.

    2006  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now 13 percent in 2006.

    2006  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 15 percent in 2006.

    2005-2006  Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 33 percent in 2005-2006.

    2005-2006  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 33 percent in 2005-2006.

    2005-2006  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Iranian American Political Action Committee 100 percent in 2005-2006.

    2005-2006  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 7 percent in 2005-2006.

    2005  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 6 percent in 2005.

    2005  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 5 percent in 2005.

    2005  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Council of La Raza 0 percent in 2005.

    2004  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 0 percent in 2004.

    2003-2004  Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 22 percent in 2003-2004.

    2003-2004  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 25 percent in 2003-2004.

    2003-2004  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 14 percent in 2003-2004.

    2003-2004  Senator McCain supported the interests of the League of United Latin American Citizens 67 percent in 2003-2004.

    2003-2004  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 15 percent in 2003-2004.

    2003  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 40 percent in 2003.

    2003  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 6 percent in 2003.

    2003  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 11 percent in 2003.

    2001-2002  Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 0 percent in 2001-2002.

    2001-2002  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 33 percent in 2001-2002.

    2001-2002  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 14 percent in 2001-2002.

    2001-2002  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 14 percent in 2001-2002.

    2001-2002  Senator McCain supported the interests of the League of United Latin American Citizens 38 percent in 2001-2002.

    2001-2002  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 24 percent in 2001-2002.

    2001  Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 0 percent in 2001.

    2001  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 20 percent in 2001.

    2001  Senator McCain supported the interests of the League of United Latin American Citizens 45 percent in 2001.

    2001  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 23 percent in 2001.

    2000  Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 0 percent in 2000.

    2000  Senator McCain supported the interests of the League of United Latin American Citizens 13 percent in 2000.

    2000  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 7 percent in 2000.

    1999-2000  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 17 percent in 1999-2000.

    1999-2000  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 19 percent in 1999-2000.

    1999  Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 0 percent in 1999.

    1999  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 25 percent in 1999.

    1999  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 7 percent in 1999.

    1999  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Hispanic Leadership Agenda 0 percent in 1999.

    1997-1998  Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 17 percent in 1997-1998.

    1997-1998  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 50 percent in 1997-1998.

    1997-1998  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 30 percent in 1997-1998.

    1997-1998  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 40 percent in 1997-1998.

    1997-1998  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Hispanic Leadership Agenda 27 percent in 1997-1998.

    1997  Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 0 percent in 1997.

    1996  Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 18 percent in 1996.

    1995-1996  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 33 percent in 1995-1996.

    1995-1996  Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 10 percent in 1995-1996.

    1995-1996  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 22 percent in 1995-1996.

    1995  Senator McCain supported the interests of the The Libertarian Party - Personal Freedom 50 percent in 1995.

    1995  Senator McCain supported the interests of the The Libertarian Party - Personal Freedom 70 percent in 1995.

    1995  Senator McCain supported the interests of the The Libertarian Party - Personal Freedom 90 percent in 1995.

    1991-1992  Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Gay & Lesbian Task Force 0 percent in 1991-1992.

    Project Vote Smart

    Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

    by willyr on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:53:39 PM PDT

  •  POW Mentality (0+ / 0-)

    His mind is still in a little box.

    Remember, THEY hate us for our Freedom! The freedom for the President to do as he damn well pleases.

    by Tuba Les on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:56:56 PM PDT

  •  And Rethugs wonder why? (0+ / 0-)

    African-Americans do not vote Rethug? It's pretty clear. If they do not support the MLK holiday which entitles one or a party to African-American voter support, then they will never get that vote. Beyond the fact that African-Americans see the way they were treated in America as being similar if not identical to the way Rethugs treat the LGBT community today!

  •  KOS-I mean really?? (3+ / 0-)
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    I dilike McCain as much as anyone, but c'mon, honestly, isn't this sort of parsing of verbal comments really beneath you?  Isn't this just the sort of thing that we hate when they do it on Fox?  There is so much wrong with McCain that to lambaste him for the "meaningful news" stuff is really low.  Give it a rest.

  •  MLK was our Ghandi (1+ / 0-)
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  •  His state didn't have poor people either? (2+ / 0-)
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    Martin Luther King, Jr. spoke for all Americans.

    This time it's personal.

    by apostrophe on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:11:37 PM PDT

  •  McCain-prince of violence--King, prince of Peace! (1+ / 0-)
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    The "greatest purveyor of violence in the world today — my own government." MLKing

    Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence
    Declaration of Independence from the War in Vietnam
    Delivered by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
    April 4, 1967
    At Manhattan’s Riverside Church

    That’s all there is; that’s all you need to know on this the 40th anniversary of his death.

    Dr Wu, the last of the big time thinkers

    by Dr Wu on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:17:20 PM PDT

  •  McCain is Bush with Anger and Hate Replacing (0+ / 0-)

    (outright) stupidity. He would be much worse than Bush. Not McSame. McRage. McWar.

  •  How can anyone take McCain serious (0+ / 0-)

    Just shows how complete disarray the Repubs are in.

    JustAThoughtThatsAll.com

    by Steve Everett on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:36:12 PM PDT

  •  I'm going to go out on a limb here (1+ / 0-)
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    and suggest that the BIG issue isn't that McCain is racist by considering the MLK and RFK assassinations as events not meaningful. The BIG issue here is that he somehow feels that his POW experience excuses him from recognizing the relevancy of these events on his country, whether they're good or bad news.

    The assassinations of MLK and RFK were as relevant events in the history of this country as the moon landing was. Period.

    It doesn't matter that he was in POW camp when he heard these men died. To suggest that the news wasn't important or didn't have an effect of him because he just wanted to hear good news about the country is a problem.

    Only recognizing the good news about your country isn't patriotism, it's blind nationalism and it's what has allowed the neocons to run this country and it's Constitution in the ground CONTINUOUSLY for the last seven years.

    I'm all for respectful political discourse, but don't think for a second that McCain tying his refusal to support recognizing Dr. King in his own state to his POW experience was a mistake.

    It wasn't.

    It's demonstrating what he'll likely do every time he's seriously challenged during this General Election, fall back to his POW experience.

    That strategy and his excuse today for not acting to see MLK recognized SHOULD NOT be taken lightly.

  •  ignorance is a lame excuse here (0+ / 0-)

    If for whatever reason he was ignorant about MLK,
    he should have either become informed or abstain.

  •  Not a McCain fan, but... (0+ / 0-)

    ...this doesn't really seem to be a valid criticism of him.

    I can well imagine that, traumatized by the experience as he must have been, the only kind of news that an ex-POW would consider "meaningful" would have been the good kind.  That is, the kind to have given him some hope to cling to during his captivity, and not just to sap his will.

    Seen through that prism, his comment makes sense.

    McCain is woefully incompetent and dangerously misguided, not to mention a flip-flopper of epic proportions.  We don't need to demonize him, too.

  •  Martin Luther King got shot? Who knew. (1+ / 0-)
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    And just who are these guys called the Beatles?  Never heard of them.  And when I'm president, you can be certain that we will finally end this war with victory.  The VietNamese will never prevail.

    Honey, could you put that Oxycontin bottle down and get me my Cognex.  And a shot of Jack.

    The difference between the right word, and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and lightning bugs. M.Twain

    by patarico adamasso on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:35:36 PM PDT

  •  What does McCain stand for? (0+ / 0-)

    What especially sickens me about this entire ordeal is the fact that he panders to the crowd he speaks in order to garner support and votes.  I am sick of this type of politics.  

    And when Mr. McCain especially does it to pander to people of color, it is even more sickening.  Does that doddering old fool think we're that stupid?  Does he truly think we forget what he's done in the past.

    I don't care how much he throws his time as a POW in for good measure and sympathy.  What this demonstrates is that he doesn't care about the feelings and personalities of people of color, if not Black people.

    I'm sorry to go Kanye on you all, but I have to say.

    He simply doesn't care and his comments prove it.

    I'm not saying that he's racist.  He just doesn't give a damn.  It shows in his answers.

    --politicalceci

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:35:41 PM PDT

  •  "They never told us about the moonshot." (1+ / 0-)
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    Holy fuck, McCain believes we actually put a man on the moon.  I wonder where he got that news?  It sure wasn't on TV.

    The difference between the right word, and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and lightning bugs. M.Twain

    by patarico adamasso on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:37:22 PM PDT

  •  Hey Kos, Obama asked us to make a change (0+ / 0-)

    I thought you could go more than a couple weeks before reverting back to this type of race baiting.  Mccain is like an old uncle too.  So lighten the f___  up on him.   Hell,  he is older than JW,  he has more of an excuse than JW,  He may even be older than Obama's Grandmother.

  •  Thank you Mr. Kos. (0+ / 0-)

    I know that people will try to portray this differently, but this needs to get out about Mr. McCain.  You see, there are a whole lot of votes besides those who reside under one crystallized perception based on entitlement and privilege. Those with privilege might not care what Mr. McCain says--especially when it comes to those who openly pervert MLK's words to fit the nullifying cause of colorblindness.  But, diaries like this one are important for people to not only question their own attitudes, but those of the leaders we would want to represent us in the future.

    I appreciate this courageous step.

    --politicalceci

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:06:09 PM PDT

  •  It's even worse (1+ / 0-)
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    In the video exchange with the reporter where his whackjob bullshit excuse popped out into the media he had this to say:

    "And I had just not been involved in the issue. There were issues that I had not been involved in when I was in the military, and then I went relatively quickly to being a member of Congress."

    So if he was so tuned out of the issue of civil rights and equal rights for everyone in our country, shouldn't that have made him unfit to be a member of Congress since by his own words he was so clueless about such an important issue?

    So he was sooooo tuned out to not know about MLK he didn't learn enough because he was too busy trying becoming a Congressman.

    Isn't that like saying, I was just not tuned into learning about Jesus because I was too busy trying to become a priest?

    or

    I just wasn't really involved in the issue of learning about the rules of baseball because I was busy trying to land a job as an MLB umpire?

  •  I don't think that's fair (0+ / 0-)

    His point was that his captors told him only about news that reflected negatively on the US (assassinations) and not on positive news (the moon landing).

    I don't like picking on things he said or did as a POW. This was a genuinely terrible experience that few people can imagine. Certainly his votes as a Senator are fair game, but I don't like criticism of  his actions or feelings while he was a captive in Viet Nam.

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