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Obama wins the WA 43rd district caucus

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:02:38 AM PDT

I spent most of the day yesterday attending the Washington state 43rd district convention.  Though a mid-level caucus and thus a bit overlooked in terms of total state delegate count, it was more entertaining than I expected it to be.  Here's a summary of my experience.

Everyone that was elected a delegate or an alternate from their precinct at the original caucus day in February was called to attend on Saturday.  I spent Thursday evening "getting out the vote," as if Obama's delegates did not all show, we would lose delegates to Hillary and we were told the Hillary people were extremely motivated to get their own people there.

There were between 1300-1400 total delegates there (not counting alternates), electing 67 delegates to the state convention in early June.  The 43rd district, one of the bluest in Seattle, had the most delegates of any district in the state.  Of those 67, Hillary ended up qualifying for 15 delegates, Obama 53.

Right away it was clear that the reports of newfound amity and unity between the new camps that I've been reading about here did not extend to the 43rd district.  The mistress of ceremonies prompted each camp to cheer for their candidate, and although the Hillary people sounded scarily loud to me, it was nothing to the roar that went up when the Obama people were called on.  And although there was a good deal of cameraderie and community feeling in the crowd, there was no love lost between Hillary and Obama people.  An Obama man sitting next to me shouted in response to a speaker that Hillary's attempt at a health care system "had failed, " and a Hillary person in front of us turned around and shouted "BUT SHE TRIED!!" at the top of his voice with veins bulging in his neck--I thought he was going to burst a gut!

Things got more interesting from there.  Each campaign represented was allowed to have a "surrogate" give a speech in support of their candidate.  The Obama surrogate went first, a local pol, and did a good job.  Kucinich was allowed a speech as well, having 2 delegates to our convention and did well.  The Hillary surrogate, however, had not even ARRIVED by the time the other two speakers had finished, so we were left waiting and wondering and getting impatient--and most of us not being Hillary supporters in the first place, we were not inclined to be considerate.  Finally the person showed up: it was Sean Astin, the actor who played Sam Gamgee in "Lord of the Rings."  The problem was, they'd gone to all this trouble to bring in a famous person to represent the campaign, but not only was he horribly late, they didn't do a good job of explaining who he was (I knew because I had read earlier that he was doing this), and he didn't even give a very good speech.  I don't think I'm being biased here--there was simply nothing in the speech that would have prompted me to change my mind even if I had been thinking about it.

Following this was a rather heated argument about whether any delegates should consider switching sides or not.  In the end we agreed that although people had a responsibility to weigh this decision carefully, in the end it is allowable under the rules to switch.  Finally we were able to break into separate caucuses for Hillary and Obama to elect our state delegates.  

Everyone was allowed thirty seconds to make their case, and I'm guessing there were about 350 people that wanted to speak, so it went on for hours.  Some people were excellent candidates with interesting personal stories or a long track record of Obama support; many just cheered for Obama (some literally made up cheers), and others simply said, "I really really want to go to Denver!"  Needless to say none of the latter won my vote.  I ran and gave a 30-second speech about my experience campaigning for Obama; among other things I had organized my area caucus site, at which both Hillary and Obama supporters alike were so excited to be participating in their democracy.  I haven't heard back yet--the odds are pretty small, but we should hear today either way.

If you make it to the state level, you can theoretically go on to the national convention in Denver, but chances are even smaller there.  Still, I will do my best!  And the whole process was interesting and exciting--I'd encourage anyone who has a similar system to take an active part next time, if you did not this time!

I do not know yet if Obama will pick up any extra delegates out of WA state.  I think that will not be clear until the state convention.

Extra kudos to N in Seattle who organized all the hundreds of us wanting to run for delegate and worked really hard yesterday!

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  •  If I had to make a guess (22+ / 0-)

    I would say there is a good chance Obama will eventually pick up a delegate or two out of WA state.  Washington is VERY pro-Obama and getting more so all the time!

    Never give up! Never surrender!

    by oscarsmom on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:04:11 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for taking the (5+ / 0-)

    time to share this.  It's a delight to hear perspectives from those who were there.

    "Sunni, Shi'a. You say to-ma-to, I say to-mah-to." (McCain will be heard saying this before the general election ends.)

    by RoCali on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:08:09 AM PDT

  •  you are to be praised for your participation (6+ / 0-)

    it is willingness of people like you that keeps our nation a democracy.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:15:01 AM PDT

  •  You may see some movement (6+ / 0-)

    Every time you hold a new series of caucuses, the numbers change. So if the Hillary numbers get whittled down, that means she doesn't get to send as many delegates to the state convention, which changes the total.

    However, those delegates all have to show at state as well. So while you will more likely than not see some movement (such as in Texas), it won't be official until your newly elected delegates take their place at the State Convention.

    Maine's weird in that we hold our county caucuses AT the State Convention... so ours won't have an effect on the outcome. However, last state convention, Dennis Kucinich walked in with about 9% of the vote and walked out with 16% or some such. Whatever the case, he was nowhere near viable when he went in, and WAS viable when he left.

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    by Eddie in ME on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:18:30 AM PDT

  •  When were you finally done at your caucus? (2+ / 0-)

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    I know in the 30th (where I was) that the Obama delegates was just in the middle of being counted around 6pm - and that the alternates had not been even started -- my guess is that it must have lasted till 8-9pm -- I read some other comment that they were there till 10"30pm from 9am in the morning.

    We did hoever have a truly nice day - I was very encouraged of the good interaction between the Obama and Hillary supporters - did not see any discord (other than one speaker that got booked for being too partisan) - but after that it was an eye opener how well everyone got along.

    I thought it was long enough to be there till 6pm - and I honestly cannot quite wrap my brain around that this system is something that builds support for the democratic system.

    A lot of people left during the day - it was supposed to have been finalized by 2pm - so people had other plands/responsibilities.

    I know that during our original caucus that a lot of people wrote in suggesstions to change WA from a caucus state to a primary state - and our chair told us that the rules committee had received more suggestions for that than anything else.

    "Proud to proclaim: I am a Bleeding Heart Liberal"

    by sara seattle on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:42:52 AM PDT

    •  We started at 10am (2+ / 0-)

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      and I left before it was done, but it seemed clear it would go til at least 4pm, with all the people left to speak!

      They did not announce the delegates at our meeting--they didn't have enough time and they're going to call us instead.

      Never give up! Never surrender!

      by oscarsmom on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:50:14 AM PDT

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      •  I left about 3:30pm ... and some additional notes (1+ / 0-)

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        At that point, they'd just called the last group of alphabet letters to get ready to speak.

        A few notes on your report:

        • The number of candidates for Obama's 53 CD delegate positions was actually a bit over 400.  For the record, slightly more than 100 people were vying to fill the 14 Clinton slots.
        • Unlike some other LDs, we made no pretense that we would be able to announce the names of the successful candidates before ending the meeting.  The prospect of a) assuring that a ballot displays exactly 26 circled names on one side and 27 on the other, b) confirming that the ballot is from a seated delegate, and c) tallying the totals for about 400 candidates on 1000 ballots is, um, daunting.  I'm sure the names of the winning Clinton delegates are known, however.  :-)
        • Thankfully, we were essentially challenge-free.  The credentials committee (the district's Clinton and Obama leaders, caucus organizer Rob Dolin, and me) needed to vote on only three cases, two of which were cut-and-dried.  All three were unanimous.
        • I'm sorry I missed your speech, oscarsmom.  I was at the nearby Kinko's at the time, making copies of the ballots I'd created and printed.
        • Thanks for your kudos.  My contribution yesterday was actually rather small.  I had data entry help from Dick Kelley and Ron Aley, Jaxon Ravens printed off information forms for the candidates, and of course Rob organized and ran the whole thing.  In truth, I think I contributed a lot more earlier in the week, when I identified precincts where there was something funny in the results ... too many delegates, mismatch in candidate distributions of delegates vs. alternates, etc.  But until now, no one except Rob and me knew about that.

        The way to win is not to move to the right wing; the way to win is to move to the right policy. -- Nameless Soldier

        by N in Seattle on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:00:15 PM PDT

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  •  Obama picked up two (1+ / 0-)

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    delegates in the 46th LD, but this was out of over 1000, so I doubt it will have much impact in the totals out of the state.

  •  Obama gained a delegate for the LD (4+ / 0-)

    great diary oscarsmom. i was also at the 43rd LD caucus and just wanted to point out that Obama actually picked up one delegate during the process. the count after the feb 9th was O-52, C-15 and ended up O-53, C-14. enough of obama's delegates and alternates showed up, but on the hillary side they needed somewhere around 390 people, and the best they could muster up was 370 (alternates included!). according to my wife, who was an alternate, entire precincts of hillary delegates just didn't show up.

    like you said, this is just a mid-level caucus, but from some of the diaries from other LDs, it looks like a trend. hopefully we can pick up one or two statewide delegates for obama next month!

    •  Excellent news! (0+ / 0-)

      I wasn't sure how the math was working out so was loath to report--so thanks!!

      I thought it was fun!  Sorry I didn't get to meet you!  :)

      Never give up! Never surrender!

      by oscarsmom on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:51:35 AM PDT

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    •  I thought that might happen (1+ / 0-)

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      HRC averaged 1 or 2 slots per precinct in Seattle vs. 4 or 5 for Obama; her delegate in my precinct gave a "woman now, minority later, 2:1" pitch, but admitted that was about the best he could do.
      If your candidate was way behind statewide, and likely to concede before the convention, would you be all that motivated to attend?

    •  your numbers are off (1+ / 0-)

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      Your recall of the Clinton numbers is off by 100.

      There were somewhere like 293 Clinton delegates elected from the precincts.  Yesterday, after seating alternates and changing a few affiliations (especially the 10 or so who had backed either Kucinich or Uncommitted), the Clinton count was something like 270.  

      I don't recall how many of the 1056-1060 elected Obama slots went unfilled yesterday.  But even if quite a few were absent, Obama still would have picked up one delegate if the Clinton count was actually all the way down to 270.  According to my calculations, based on Clinton delegate counts, here's the minimum number of Obama delegates it would have taken to win 53 of the 67 delegates to the CD:

      • Clinton 270 --> Obama needed 978
      • Clinton 275 --> Obama needed 996
      • Clinton 280 --> Obama needed 1014
      • Clinton 285 --> Obama needed 1032
      • Clinton 290 --> Obama needed 1050

      Looked at another way, if we assume that Clinton got exactly 270 delegates, it would have taken an Obama count of 1071 (or winning a coin flip with 1070) to move the outcome to 54-13.  IOW, every Obama delegate showing up, taking just about all of the non-HRC/non-BHO delegates, and convincing some Clinton delegates to move over to Obama.

      The way to win is not to move to the right wing; the way to win is to move to the right policy. -- Nameless Soldier

      by N in Seattle on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:27:29 PM PDT

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      •  you are correct (2+ / 0-)

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        i must have been off by 100 and clinton had 270, not 370.  but the final count was most definitely 53-14 because on the obama side, we had to vote for exactly 53 candidates for delegates to the next level.... this is a pickup of +1 for the LD for obama.

        •  yup (2+ / 0-)

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          I'm the guy who collected the names of candidates for CD delegate and created the ballots.  

          The only reason I don't know the precise LD delegate counts is that I was so busy with all that that I paid very little attention to the actual caucus.  The only time I went into the auditorium was to deliver the Clinton ballots to their subcaucus.

          The way to win is not to move to the right wing; the way to win is to move to the right policy. -- Nameless Soldier

          by N in Seattle on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:00:48 PM PDT

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          •  thanks (1+ / 0-)

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            thanks for volunteering at the caucus. i'm sure i met you while submitting my name for the ballot. i made a lame joke about how you somehow were able to guess my name from my nametag. too bad i didn't know you were a kossack!

            •  heh (0+ / 0-)

              That doesn't narrow it down.  :-)

              The Obama stickers with name and precinct written on them were really helpful for my needs.  The music was usually a bit too loud to hear exactly what people said when I asked for their names.  Would that the Clinton people had been so helpful with nametags.

              There were at least three of us taking names -- I was the one wearing a purple shirt with a Udall button from 1976 and my "Delegate for Dean 2004" button.

              The way to win is not to move to the right wing; the way to win is to move to the right policy. -- Nameless Soldier

              by N in Seattle on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:41:36 PM PDT

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  •  As someone (1+ / 0-)

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    That spent many years in western Washington state all I can say is WhoT .. WhoT .. WhoT

    The power of SNO-King-Pierce is truly unique throughout the nation.
    After the governors race in 2004 I can say with certainty that;

    Every vote & state is precious.
    Regardless of what the big shot, big business, smooth talking whatnots say or do.

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