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NYT: Survivalism -- Not Just for Crazies Anymore!

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:19:35 AM PDT

According to the New York Times, the face of survivalism is "that of a shaggy loner in camouflage, holed up in a cabin in the wilderness and surrounded by cases of canned goods and ammunition."

Thank goodness, then, that Alex Williams, writing for the newspaper's Fashion & Style section, has found that doomsday is for well-groomed middle-class folk too! Out with Mountain House dried food and in with seed, fertilizer and wine. Survivalism isn't just for apocalyptic paranoids anymore. It's gone middle-class.

That's a relief, because I look like hell in camo.

I am, however, a firm believer in preparedness of all sorts. I garden and can, freeze and dehydrate; I buy children's clothing at yard sales and put it in the attic until it will fit my kids; and my bookshelves are stocked with everything from "Raising Chickens" to the Army Corps of Engineers' guide to building to texts on self-sufficiency. This morning, we built a ramp so we could go pick up a refrigerator we found through the local Freecycle (hello, Frugal Friday diaries!) and I spent the afternoon making two loaves of honey whole wheat bread and shoveling mushroom soil for the garden.

It's been a long day (I am writing this late Saturday night), which may be why I was so annoyed by Williams' "Duck and Cover: It's the New Survivalism." I quote:

Faced with a confluence of diverse threats — a tanking economy, a housing crisis, looming environmental disasters, and a sharp spike in oil prices — people who do not consider themselves extremists are starting to discuss doomsday measures once associated with the social fringes.

They stockpile or grow food in case of a supply breakdown, or buy precious metals in case of economic collapse. Some try to take their houses off the electricity grid, or plan safe houses far away. The point is not to drop out of society, but to be prepared in case the future turns out like something out of "An Inconvenient Truth," if not "Mad Max."

Williams then gives a series of anecdotes told by perfectly respectable people -- yes, our kind, dear -- about what they're buying to prepare for impending disaster. He (she?) then cites several recent books on the subject and concludes with these words from a musician and paralegal: ""I think of survivalists as being an extreme case of preparedness," said Ms. Vontourne, 44, "people who stockpile guns and weapons, anticipating extreme aggression. Whereas what I’m doing, I think of as something responsible people do."

Something about the article's tone bothers me. Is it the emphasis on just me and my bomb shelter and screw you? The undertone of smarmy urban contempt for practices that have long been associated people of more limited means? Or the need to rationalize this movement as something -- anything -- other than living less profligately for its own sake?

I have come not to praise Alex Williams but to bury him, perhaps with the folding shovel I keep in my car's trunk, just in case. (For those of you interested in the technical how-to of disaster preparedness, go read our own AlphaGeek's marvelous series, "Are You Ready for Disaster?") Nowhere in this article is there any sense of community -- as if, let's say, the Amish never get together to rebuild a barn after a fire. As if there's no such thing as the Red Cross or volunteer firefighters or EMTs or the Mennonite Disaster Service. There's a basic assumption that if the nation falls to hell tomorrow, it's every man for himself and that attitude is not just okay for people who can afford to build panic rooms, but also for average, everyday folks.

As long as, you know, they're the right kind of everyday folks.

Recently, the NYT's Alex Salkin profiled hipsters-turned-farmers in "Leaving Behind the Trucker Hat," which began with these words: "Their Carhartts are no longer ironic. Now they have real dirt on them." (This piece also appears in Fashion & Style.) Dirty freakin' hipsters might just be our future as they turn their hands to labor, it seems. (Good discussion here.)

So you now have to be ex-Williamsburg or a reasonable doomsayer with a fat wallet to be legitimately concerned with the state of the nation and world?

Dear New York Times: Please consider it possible -- just possible -- that some people might become more self-reliant for reasons other than fashion and style or the ability to purchase cool survival gear. I LOVE my Muck Boots because they work. I garden and can because it gives me some control over the production and cost of what I feed my family. I make my own bread because it tastes wonderful. My chickens will be coming soon and I won't have as many worries about labor conditions at poultry plants, the fuel it takes to transport the meat to the store and what the birds are fed. (And really -- fresh eggs? Incredible.) My DIY ethic is about the joy of learning -- not the paranoia of what-if.

I'm not doing all of this to be fashionable or stylish or because the end is near. This is the way I live every day because it fits in with my values. How about covering that angle, MSM?

Besides, if TSHTF, we're all going to need one another.

Maybe Williams is right about the face of preparedness changing. Maybe it looks... like a progressive.

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  •  Canning Jar (44+ / 0-)

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    Salsa, spaghetti sauce, apple sauce, dill relish, barbecue sauce, pizza sauce, green tomato jam, pickles and (not pictured) ketchup and turkey stock.

    IGTNT: Our war dead. Their stories. Read "I Got the News Today."

    by monkeybiz on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:22:52 AM PDT

    •  Ummm. Looks mighty tasty. (11+ / 0-)

      I really need to learn to can foods. I have a friend who cans venison and its a perfect meal in a can. She puts in lots of garlic, and you can throw it over rice and eat up.

      "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

      by Owllwoman on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:33:26 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks, Owllwoman (8+ / 0-)

        It is delicious. My baby ate her first solid food the other day -- our applesauce. She didn't spit it out so it must have been pretty good.

        Canning is straightforward. I'm fairly hopeless as a cook but got the hang of canning quickly. My advice is to find a class (call your ag extension) or a friend who does it and spend a few hours learning. Next time you come by a windfall of tomatoes or apples, you'll be glad to know how to preserve them.

        Venison... yum.

        IGTNT: Our war dead. Their stories. Read "I Got the News Today."

        by monkeybiz on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:39:49 AM PDT

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    •  Hey! Got a recipe (7+ / 0-)

      for that canned salsa? All I can ever seem to find are ones for freezing it, and they go bad too fast.

      I just started making my own salsa a couple years ago, so I'm still a neophyte. I do make a killer "chile" sauce, but that's a whole different creature. I can open a jar of that and it lasts forever, but the frozen salsa gets moldy after a week and I wind up throwing half of it out.

      Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

      by Pariah Dog on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:42:23 AM PDT

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      •  Yep, I will dig it out for you (7+ / 0-)

        Though my recollection is that it came from the BALL Complete Book of Home Preserving with a few modifications. I seem to remember DH dumping a bottle of habanero sauce into the pot. Give me a bit and I will post it.

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        by monkeybiz on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:55:02 AM PDT

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        •  Thanks! (7+ / 0-)

          The Ball book I have is from the late 1940's (it was my Mom's) long before such "exotic" stuff as salsa was known here I guess.

          Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

          by Pariah Dog on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:58:03 AM PDT

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          •  Fresh Vegetable Salsa (7+ / 0-)

            7 cups chopped, peeled tomatoes
            2 cups coarsely chopped white onion
            2 cups coarsely chopped Bell pepper
            8 jalapeno peppers, seeded and finely chopped
            3 cloves garlic, minced
            1 can tomato paste
            3/4 cup white vinegar
            1/2 cup loosely packed and finely chopped cilantro
            1/2 tsp. ground cumin

            We add:
            Salt, to taste
            A small bottle of hot sauce

            Combine all ingredients in a large saucepot. Bring mixture to a boil over medium heat, stirring OFTEN. Reduce heat and boil gently, stirring OFTEN until thickened, about 30 minutes. This is a good time to taste and adjust accordingly.

            (This is for water-bath canning; see my diary on the process, here). Ladle hot salsa into 5 hot pint jars, leaving 1/2 inch headspace. Adjust caps. Process 20 minutes in a boiling-water canner, leaving 5 minutes before removing jars.

            ***

            The Ball Complete is so worth it if you're planning on canning. Highly recommended.

            IGTNT: Our war dead. Their stories. Read "I Got the News Today."

            by monkeybiz on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 05:50:47 AM PDT

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            •  Thanks so much! (1+ / 0-)

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              Sorry for not replying sooner. It was 75 degrees here yesterday and not a rain cloud in the sky! WooHoo!! I finally got the garden bed cleaned out!

              So, needless to say I was offline most of the day.

              Glad this is for a water bath. I don't have a pressure canner, although I guess I'll have to get one sooner or later. I'm starting to make so much more of my own stuff and it's either  get a pressure canner of a bigger freezer. I'm guessing the canner would be cheaper.

              By way of thanks for the recipe, here's one I came across recently. The mister and I love ranch dressing on a lot of things, but the last store jar I saw was $4. So I learned to make it myself. This stands up next to Hidden Valley any day of the week.

              Thanks again.

              Ranch Dressing:

              1 cup mayonnaise
              1 cup sour cream
              1/2 cup buttermilk
              1 T. garlic powder
              2 T. onion chopped fine
              1 t. dried parsley
              1 dash hot pepper sauce
              1/2 t. ground pepper

              Combine the mayonnaise, sour cream, buttermilk, garlic powder, onion, hot sauce,and pepper. Whisk together and refrigerate for at least 1/2 an hour. Store in pint canning jar or recycled glass jar Yeild 1 pint (+ approx 1/4 cup)

              Tip: If you're like me, you don't actually drink buttermilk. So in order to not have the remainder of the carton go bad, measure out the remaining milk into 1/2 cup portions, put it in plastic containers or whatever and freeze for next time. You have to stir it up a bit upon thawing, but it works just fine.

              Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

              by Pariah Dog on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:10:13 AM PDT

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    •  "A year's supply" (9+ / 0-)

      was what active Mormons grew up with (once in a while expanded to "two-years' supply," especially when enterprising Mormons started selling bulk dry foods & wheat grinders to their brethren and sisters). At one point Mormon women referred to stocking up on goods on sale as "provident living."

      I am not especially Mormon any more (still a member of record, but haven't participated in more than a decade, have the occasional glass of wine, a morning cup o' coffee)... but I still practice the idea of "provident living": on those rare occasions when I actually find myself at a wholesaler's in France, or when items that we normally use are on sale at my regular "hypermarché," I buy extra. Looking at our "larder," I think I and my family could eat reasonably well for 3-4 months.

      Further, I try not to go below 60 rolls of TP or 2-3 large boxes of tampons/pads. (I recently worked in Germany, living in a private home in which TP frequently ran out, so I feel particularly justified about my personal paper product policy.) As prices continue to go up, up, up!--I am glad to be able to hold off buying various food items and paper goods until they go on sale again.

      I know how to do things, too. Gardening here is problematic (see my most recent diary), but I know how. I know a little bit about chickens and milking various animals; I can fish. I hate sewing, but I can do it if I have to. I am a passable shot (though I've never hunted). I know how to purify water. I know advanced first aid and CPR. And I'm especially good at improvising, at making useful things out of disparate and not always obvious materials. I owe a great deal of this "usefulness" to my Mormon upbringing.

      But one thing that tended to bother me about many of my Mormon brothers' and sisters' approach to the "year's supply" was what monkeybiz alluded to in her diary: the very "me-ness" of it all. Some Mormons stockpile ammo and guns with which to "defend" their food supply from the ravaging masses. The truth is, we are all more likely to survive if we're willing to share our resources, talents, and knowledge, à la Stone Soup (the old tale, not the comic strip). I cannot imagine taking any satisfaction in being able to eat when everyone around me is starving, and it isn't my place to judge: I cannot know why (at least in all instances) some people didn't "stock up." (Lack of money explains a lot.) But here in France, for example, hoarding is a cultural no-no (which may explain the curious looks I get when my cart is piled high with TP).

      To end my ramble, here... I think it's astonishing that the NYT would have put this article in the "Fashion and Style" section. The placement alone says volumes about what they really think of the idea of self-sufficiency and foresightedness in preparing for tough times ahead.

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      by mofembot on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:47:05 AM PDT

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      •  The Mormon idea, as I understand it (4+ / 0-)

        is to be prepared for downturns of all kinds--for instance if you lose your job you will still able to feed your family if you have reserves. Somewhere in my browsings on this topic I read that the storage practice is also intended to allow you to help your neighbors in times of need--I've always thought this was admirable and worthy of emulating. I agree, the thought of eating while others go hungry is horrifying.

        Your post is very interesting. I wonder if the experience of hardship in WWII explains the dislike of hoarding there? In a way you'd think it would be the opposite but perhaps there's a sense of not wanting to be 'greedy'.

        [-5.50, -8.05] and in good company. FreeRice level: 50 (good guesser)

        by sillia on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:25:10 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, "be prepared" is as much a (4+ / 0-)

          motto for the Mormons as for the Boy Scouts. The church teaches the members to share, but there is a hyper-conservative streak among U.S. Mormons at least (witness the 90% level of Republicanism in Utah), which combined with the much-vaunted American "rugged individualism" tends to result in the Me vs. Them (or Ants v. Grasshoppers) attitude (with guns to protect the food).

          There is far less of an anti-hoarding mentality in France these days than there was when I first lived here (I confess, as a Mormon missionary) back in the late 1970s. Clearly generational, and I am sure that you are right that the hardships of WWII must have played a big role: if you didn't share with your neighbor when you had food, your neighbor wouldn't share with you. And if you didn't share what you had when you had it, there was a pretty good chance some German soldiers would take it from you anyway.

          Younger people are looking more seriously at stretching their euros through bulk buying (something that is still rare here, but which was nonexistent 30 years ago), and here and there a few co-ops seem to be springing up. Farmers markets are very big here, and I predict that there will be more people preserving food this summer than last (assuming the farmers market prices are lower than that found at the supermarket... no guarantees on this, unfortunately).

          Book excerpts: nonlynnear; other writings: mofembot.

          by mofembot on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:36:28 AM PDT

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    •  Ooooooo (3+ / 0-)

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      That looks so good!  Next year, I'll be on the farm, and those shelves in the basement go to use!

  •  Have had it with the NYT (6+ / 0-)

    I hate the way they present everything in terms of fashion consciousness & coolness. Really, I can't stand them any more. It's like they view their role as reporting on states of mind rather than on actual facts and conditions.

    The other thing I didn't like about the article is the emphasis on "fear" as motivation to prepare. It's only in the last generation or so that people have had the luxury of NOT being prepared all the time with food stores and tools. We've been relying on just-in-time shopping from stores who use just-in-time shelf stocking and it has worked just fine; what a luxury to live that way, though! Any disruption, even of just a few days or a week and the whole system falls apart. That's just common sense.

    The other egregious problem in the NYT article is their saying that the government doesn't promote preparedness...ahem? Have they not been noticing the big push for preparedness brought about by concerns about pandemic flu among other things...well probably not since it's fact based and definitely not trendy. People should be aware that slowly but surely government at the federal, state, county and city levels have been hammering out disaster plans. See Dept of Homeland Security just for example. Your county has a person or team right now working through issues of disaster planning--many of these teams include representatives from the health care providers in the area. Recommendations for the public used to be, have 3 days worth of food and water in your home--now the public agencies are saying you should be prepared for TWO WEEKS. Other non-governmental groups more directly concerned about pandemic flu recommend 3 months of food supplies (since that is about how long schools would need to be closed) but this isn't the 'mainstream' view, yet. Lots of info on these topics available at the Flu Wiki.

    Here's the best source for beginners to help think through pandemic readiness: Get Pandemic Ready--food storage, emergency cooking, etc.

    [-5.50, -8.05] and in good company. FreeRice level: 50 (good guesser)

    by sillia on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 05:06:12 AM PDT

    •  Another perspective... (9+ / 0-)

      Choosing to put this in the Style section may actually be a public service if you think about it.

      Because that survivalist/extremist image is out there, and might make people nervous about appearing to go crazy.  Personally, to me that speaks to insanity of our society in the first place, but...

      At least this puts the information in a context that many urban folks can relate to themselves.  Maybe it will even end up saving some lives, who knows.

      _______________________________
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      by spotDawa on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 05:19:42 AM PDT

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      •  The tone was off-putting (7+ / 0-)

        I don't know that urban dwellers will relate as much as they will roll their eyes and say "pffft."  

        The people profiled in the article are cast as saying "I'm not one of those whackos, but..." and I don't think that's flattering. There are real and valid reasons to promote self-sufficiency and this article misses them all.

        IGTNT: Our war dead. Their stories. Read "I Got the News Today."

        by monkeybiz on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 05:29:16 AM PDT

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        •  I Don't Know (9+ / 0-)

          I didn't find the article nearly as bad as the diary made me fear. A good deal of the article was about the fact that there is now a viable economic model for making a living in small farming, one that wasn't there in 1970. That's a fact. I live amongst this economic development--in far northern Vermont, much further away from metro NYC--and it's been happening on the ground here for over a decade. I know real actual "hippies" who moved up here in 1970 and know quite a few 20-somethings who have been making the same journey over the last few years. These younger folks have a foundation to build on that wasn't there in 1970.

          For example, Hardwick, Vermont, is becoming a less fashionable hub of this kind of activity that the NYT story is writing about. This is far less about survivalism than it is about agricultural production in a peak oil environment.

          •  It was an interesting article (4+ / 0-)

            But I question the meta of relegating it to Fashion & Style, as if these issues are only raised because of -- gasp -- people who wear Carharrt for practical purposes. I wouldn't be surprised to see a NYT article about AR-15s becoming a fashion accessory among Wall Street traders and hipsters.

            IGTNT: Our war dead. Their stories. Read "I Got the News Today."

            by monkeybiz on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:28:26 AM PDT

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            •  Probably Aiming (7+ / 0-)

              For the folks who shop at the farmer's markets. That crowd isn't necessarily the hard news types.

              In some ways it was a Business Section story. And the trend they're writing about is very real. When I moved up here 20 years ago you either shopped at the industrial-food super market or raised your own. Now there's a local "shares" farm, several small-scale egg producers, several grass-fed meat operations, and the local library is sponsoring a sustainable living discussion group that's got over 25 people participating (in a town of 850).

              I have a big garden and do the canning thing. But I also buy a sheep  and half a cow annually from a farm I can see from my land. And the farmer has a college degree. I "buy in" for a pig and chickens that friends raise and that we butcher collectively (i.e., we throw a party and do some killing). Buy eggs from the above locals. And this in an area that is not economically thriving (though there is a strong seasonal vacation economy). But most of these farmers are selling to locals and making a living at it.

              FYI, I know one couple that's been selling maple syrup at the 14th Street Market (and formerly at the World Trade Center) for over 20 years now.

              •  What's the sheep for? (4+ / 0-)

                Meat? Wool? Half a cow -- freezer, right? I don't like killing chickens, but I will if I have to. I'm not sure I could do the pig butchering but I'm perfectly happy to bring it to a butcher.

                Pictures of the garden, please? What's going in this year?

                IGTNT: Our war dead. Their stories. Read "I Got the News Today."

                by monkeybiz on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:49:54 AM PDT

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                •  For Meat (4+ / 0-)

                  Yea, three freezers running when everything's full, but that's probably greener than buying lamb from New Zealand.

                  A picture of my garden right now would be of dirty snow (three inches on Friday). I'll be planting in a few weeks. I grow about 1/4 acre or the basics. Italian tomatoes to sun-dry and lots of basil for pesto is about as exotic as I get.

                  I should add that there is a local butcher down the road, a country stores that sells some local produce, and my seeds come from High Mowing Seeds in the Hardwick mentioned above. Yogurt is local too (Butterworks Farms). Like I said, this is a whole ag economy infrastructure that's grown up over the last two decades.

                  •  Also Should Mention (3+ / 0-)

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                    Sterling College:

                    The Sterling College curriculum combines, in a unique fashion, the classic elements of a liberal arts education. Most distinctive is Sterling’s integration of the applied sciences. Sterling’s curriculum demands commitment—physical, intellectual, and emotional—to problem-solving in the real-world context. Sterling College offers bachelor's degrees in:

                    Conservation Ecology
                    Outdoor Education and Leadership
                    Circumpolar Studies
                    Sustainable Agriculture
                    Self-Designed Studies

                    Several of the local farms are owned and operated by graduates of Sterling.

                  •  Great info (4+ / 0-)

                    and observations in all your posts, pletzs. Seems like you could diary this...or better yet, the NYT could interview you and write something sensible and real from your perspective.

                    [-5.50, -8.05] and in good company. FreeRice level: 50 (good guesser)

                    by sillia on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:10:27 AM PDT

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            •  Well, I guess we see things differently... (2+ / 0-)

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              I thought it was a cool article showing youngsters what some of their peers are doing. I know a lot of urban "hip" that wear Carharrt for the name and nothing more. They are the new Levis. And those are the same people who have no clue where their food comes from except that they go to the deli counter at the corporate grocery store. They don't grow it nor store it. Many don't even know how to make any of it.

              However, at the same time I've noticed a lot of new people getting very interested in peak oil, doing gardens, having chickens, learning how to can, and more.

              Both articles made me happy because they get people thinking and realizing there's a whole world beyond the tiny one they inhabit.

              One thing I noticed is when I lived in a place with just one major paper my liberal friends berated it for being so conservative... then I was talking to a mom of my daughter's classmate and she was talking about how liberal our paper is. That's when I realized we see with eyes tainted by our personal experiences and feelings. I've noticed a lot of people here get very angry with others for no reason other than perhaps what's going on in their own lives causing them to read with a pre-disposed attitude. One just the other day told the diarist to shove telling him how to live up his... except the diary wasn't telling anyone they had to or even should... only that a great way to save gas is to...

              Was there something in the article that felt personally insulting to you?

              ~~~~

              So have you given away all your camo-maternity wear?

              I can hardly wait to read all about your chickens. I'm in henvy. I've been talking them up for months now (even today which is how I found your diary -- even though you are on my hotlist but I sometimes avoid it when I'm getting buried).

              Mais, la souris est en dessous la table, le chat est sur la chaise et le singe est... est... le singe est disparu! -- Eddie Izzard

              by CSI Bentonville on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:47:35 PM PDT

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              •  CSI! (1+ / 0-)

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                How are you?

                No, nothing personally insulting. As others here have said, the placement tells all -- doing the right thing has evidently become stylish or fashionable for a certain hip set. It seems impossible that people should make these choices based on their merits. Imagine if this were an article about picking a candidate!

                I've taken Alex Williams to task before, as I just realized.  

                I do understand that most people are blissfully unaware of food sources and prep, and I am glad to see more attention to it. I just don't think that casting these values as hip is a plus. They're deeply unhip -- literally, the kinds of things that one's grandparents would have done as a matter of course.

                The preparedness article made me a little crazy for several reasons. "I'm not a survivalist, but..." is rhetorically akin to "I'm not a racist, but...," where the next part of the sentence says something objectionable but it's supposed to be okay because of the preface. There's still an undertone that there's something paranoid about readiness. It implies that the writer really thinks that despite their educational and professional backgrounds, there's something off about these people.

                This might have been the basis for an interesting article in the business section about how survival/provident living is finding a niche market among the middle class. (I didn't see much analysis, just anecdote.) As is, I find it a little patronizing.

                DH is trying t otalk me into Buff Orphingtons -- I'm leaning toward Rhode Island Reds and Black Sex Links (that just sounds so wrong).

                IGTNT: Our war dead. Their stories. Read "I Got the News Today."

                by monkeybiz on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:27:25 AM PDT

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                •  Heya monkey :) (1+ / 0-)

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                  Doing pretty well overall. Was thinking of you this week since ek has been celebrating his dKos birthday/anniversary. It was last Friday/Monday (I know that's confusing but it has something to do with when he signed up, the ping, and when he made his first comment...) but since he was sick, well there may or may not be celebration this Friday, or maybe today...

                  Okay, let's see if I can explain more how I see it fitting in... well, for one if it's in the "living" section, I think oodles more will see it. Time was when I had a newspaper and I only took the section that had the comics which was the living, fasion, sort of section though once in a while they'd  foil me and put them in the biz section which I would then take just the pages they were on and also the living section.

                  Recently my daughter went vegan and oooh boy, now there's a group that takes a lot of abuse. Even here, I've found it remarkable. But, I've had my own feelings about it as well that I've had to struggle to explore. Even just recently we attended a chef demo by a very well established and finely educated vegan. He made bbq baked veggies with tofu, hemp milk and brownies. Except for the brownies (and those have their moments) I kept thinking how "hippie" it all was and that I was quite unlikely to like it but I would make a huge effort to taste the stuff so I could say I had to my girl. Heh. Well, it was all wonderful. I was shocked. Some of the best food I've ever had and I was thrilled that my daughter didn't care for the hemp milk so I could finish her share. What's so stupid is it was the second time we've seen one of his demos and I was just as amazed the first time so why was I still so dismissive of him this time?

                  Well, because for some reason I grew up not wanting to be considered a hippie. I was horrified when I was 16 and because I put a little braid in my hair to keep it out of my face I was nicked with "Hippie Chick" which seemed to follow me to a new town and people who didn't know me yet somehow bestowed on me the same familiar moniker. Hippies, dirty and brown rice, pot and soy, goats and molasses, sandals and whole wheat, tie-dye and tofu.

                  So, since the child went veggie on me, I've discovered that even though I've always been a closet veg-head myself, there's a lot of pre-conceived ideas about food for many and that yes, indeed food is a fashion statement from those who shop at Whole Foods to those who shun it as pretentious and those who do discount and coupons with major pride despite all the time it takes and how married they are to the industrial food complex.

                  And truthfully, the majority of the food at issue here is the stuff that is advertised on the telly and in the magazines telling us about how life will be easier, healthier and tastier to the diet ads that promise we can drop a size by swimsuit season.

                  The NYT is telling the teeming masses that your way of life is good and nothing to be ashamed of for people who grew up like I did is affirming in my mind. And, it circumvents their own advertisers by celebrating the simplicity yet complex joys of food that Madison Avenue can't squeeze revenues from.

                  ~~~~

                  As for the chicks... how many are you considering? Not knowing, my advice is going to be general but you can always add more and in fact pretty much anytime of the year even. Since chickens tend to drop off a bit their third year it makes sense to bring in a couple three new girls in each year while the elders still have value as teachers and well, mother hens.

                  Also, I'm totally charmed by the Buffs. Such pretty ladies. The Reds are supposed to be really pleasant and my personal faves are the wyandottes and especially the ameracaunas (Easter eggers) because they are just pretty and such great personalities (the green/blue eggs are bonus). Lots of people ca't say enough nice things about Rocks. The sex links are very productive and the girls can sure be full of their own individualism but I am personally horrified by the gaming of them for the purpose of industry. If you like the black color there is australopes.

                  Anyway, you can have a mixed flock which makes for lovely variety and it's easy to tell them apart too as well as being able to have their advantages all work for you.

                  But oh boy, do I want to live vicariously through you! I don't even care about the eggs anymore. :)

                  Mais, la souris est en dessous la table, le chat est sur la chaise et le singe est... est... le singe est disparu! -- Eddie Izzard

                  by CSI Bentonville on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:22:37 PM PDT

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        •  Well, as an urban dweller I'm still interested (5+ / 0-)

          in preparedness -- and have my bug-out bag and emergency food/water and so forth ready.  I'm not rolling my eyes, even if that article reads like "Preparedness and Prada".

          But then again, I live in Manhattan ... so after 9/11 and the 2003 blackout, I think anyone -- even someone living in a large city -- who isn't thinking about emergency preparedness is foolish at best.

          Ultimately, though, if someone is writing an article in the NYT about how to adapt the usual preparedness memes to the limitations imposed by living in a one-bedroom, 600 SF apartment, I'm all for it.

          "Specialization is for insects." -- Heinlein

          by BachFan on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:55:38 AM PDT

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      •  You sort of have a point here... (6+ / 0-)

        it could get more people talking about it, as you say. I'd be more willing to overlook my personal negative reaction to the article if it had included some common sense truths (info about prepping) along with the ironic glamorizing.

        [-5.50, -8.05] and in good company. FreeRice level: 50 (good guesser)

        by sillia on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:28:14 AM PDT

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    •  Spot on. (9+ / 0-)

      While I do remember what happened in New Orleans, I do have to give the government partial credit for raising awareness of the need to be prepared (either through its initiatives or its pathetic object lesson).

      Just-in-time may be convenient and profitable for chains but I agree, I don't think it's a very workable model for most of us -- not just in case of disaster, but in terms of everyday disruptions like illness, power outages and snowstorms.

      Thanks for the links, sillia.

      IGTNT: Our war dead. Their stories. Read "I Got the News Today."

      by monkeybiz on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 05:24:53 AM PDT

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  •  Our comunity-wide response to impending trouble. (16+ / 0-)

    I live in a very small, conservative, mostly republican (I'm the only Democratic member of our town board...) town, in waaaaay Upstate New York. We are not exactly isolated, but we are remote.

    Last week, our town supervisor and I held a meeting with representatives of many of the local public service organizations to begin to prepare our town for economic disaster.

    You can read about it here. In the middle of page one.

    This is the approach that appeals to me. Pulling together, inventorying our resources, and figuring out how to best put them to use for the benefit of the whole community when Bush-World comes crashing down on our collective shoulders.

    BTW, I plan to do a diary on this some time soon. I think it's important that this idea spread.

    "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

    by RonV on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 05:17:55 AM PDT

  •  I live that way too (12+ / 0-)

    My survivalist skills were actually begun as a widdle kidlet, my Grandma had a basement pantry, a room with shelves that was tucked in the corner of the basement.

    I was cool in there because it was open to the ground on one side, so she could keep both can goods and raw products.  I was combo pantry/root celler.

    I truly embraced the planning ahead when I was widowed, mostly because I was always concerned I'd be broke, so I slowly started  building my stock as I had extra money.

    Then came the 4 hurricanes in 10 weeks in 2004, I was able to keep us together nicely since I had "over" prepared, we had lanterns, batteries, grills (propane & charcoal), games..everything to live as close as normal for the various time periods without potable water & power..I even keep an extra huge trash can to fill with water to make a cistern outside to collect water I can boil for drinking, or to wash/fill toliets

    I have a generator now as well, and since it's April it's time to check the stock & start prepping again for this season

    "Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist" George Carlin

    by bws on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 05:41:22 AM PDT

  •  Hey, I ain't leaving all that stuff behind (5+ / 0-)

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    when the Rapture comes just so those Left Behind can pig out at my expense.  No way.  

    Just finished the Oreos.  Will start on the Sara Lee now.  No damn way am I leaving this stuff for them.

    "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

    by KateCrashes on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:13:51 AM PDT

  •  A canning question (4+ / 0-)

    Some foods don't freeze well.  I have never canned (but am going to as soon as canning pots are in season) and my question is does further cooking change texture by simmering in water up to an hour?

    "Man's life's a vapor Full of woe. He cuts a caper, Down he goes. Down de down de down he goes.

    by JFinNe on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:37:27 AM PDT

    •  get the Ball Blue Book (4+ / 0-)

      Yes, it can change the texture.

      Get the Ball Blue Book, THE bible of canning.  Also get Putting Food By.

    •  That's one reason (2+ / 0-)

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      I freeze most of my fresh veggies. The processing in a water bath just makes them overcooked and too mushy as far as I'm concerned. freezing is faster and easier, IMO.

      Of course the down side of freezing is in the event of a power outage - or sudden breakdown of the entire grid, which is becoming more likely - you're going to have problems. That's why we bought a generator last year.

      You might also look into learning to dry veggies, herbs, etc.

      Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

      by Pariah Dog on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:43:21 AM PDT

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  •  Ages ago I had an idea for a comedy piece... (5+ / 0-)

    ...about a family living in a burnt out abandoned gas station.

    At one point the Dad says, "People think we're nuts, but I think we're the wave of the future. Someday, everybody will be doing this..."

    Seriously tho, I well resonated with the angle you touch upon more than once: It's not about doing this because you're being chased by a demon. You do it because you're chasing a balanced and arguably elegant style of living.

    Amen! Nice to see you doing what comes natural.

    Isn't it a good feeling when you see the paper in the morning, it says 'Axe Slayer Kills 19' and you say, "They can't pin that one on me!" - Jean Shepherd

    by razajac on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 06:47:00 AM PDT

  •  When People who sell disaster supplies take (6+ / 0-)

    American Express it's not just for crazies anymore
    http://www.nitro-pak.com/...

    h/t Meteor Blades

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:50:30 AM PDT

  •  Love your canning cupboard! (5+ / 0-)

    That represents a lot of work. I can tomato sauce every year and that's usually all the canning I do. This year I'm expanding my garden so hope to have more tomatoes.

    Have you tried dehydrating veggies? I did quite a bit of this last summer and am enjoying the stuff now. I dried parsley (large quantities), basil, chopped onions, zucchini, hot peppers, chopped bell peppers, onion greens, and garlic greens. I put these in Mason jars, some vacuum-packed with the FoodSaver to keep them fresh. All of this stuff you can throw into sauces, soups or casseroles and the flavor is great.

    I love the idea that I can extend the usefulness of my garden into the winter. I am a "prepper" too--I have about 5 months worth of food in long-term storage and rotate some short-term easy-prep foods every year that are enough for a couple weeks worth of meals. And there's always extra food in the pantry, so I think we're okay. I would be happy to share with my neighbors in a crisis, though I doubt they will like my vegan food!

    One action that people can take is to pass around some basic emergency prep info to neighbors. We have a homeowner's association (and Neighborhood Watch program) so it was easy for me to hand out a simple Red Cross flyer at a meeting. They have a tremendous amount of information available on their website. For example, see this pretty good list for a Home Disaster Supplies Kit.

    I didn't know what my neighbors would think when I passed this out but they all read it and several people commented there were things on the list they hadn't thought of. People here were recently aware that power outages can be a problem as there was an ice storm in western Nebraska (Dec 06)--many communities didn't have power for WEEKS after that storm. Seeing that, it makes people think a little more carefully.

    [-5.50, -8.05] and in good company. FreeRice level: 50 (good guesser)

    by sillia on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:57:38 AM PDT

    •  Say more about drying veggies? (1+ / 0-)

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      We do jerky -- yum! -- and fruit leathers but I've not yet found a satisfactory way to do herbs. They just dry up and blow around all over the place. Ideas and tips welcome.

      IGTNT: Our war dead. Their stories. Read "I Got the News Today."

      by monkeybiz on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:25:16 AM PDT

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      •  drying herbs (3+ / 0-)

        perennial herbs like oregano or sage you can tie in a bundle and hang up somewhere to dry--a good idea is to put a paper bag over them (like a lunch bag) to keep the dust off but so they can still get air. Once they are crispy, put in a jar.

        With basil and parsley, I do use my food dryer (an Excalibur) because they keep the most flavor if dried quickly. I guess they do blow around if you remove the cover while the fan is going...only trick I can think of is don't chop them fine before drying. I dry the leaves whole and then smush them a bit to fit them into jars after they're dry.

        I am really getting enthusiastic about dehydrating and would like to have some kind of solar dryer so I can do it energy-free. I've seen plans etc. online but all seem way too much work to build, and am not convinced about the technology. I am waiting for a clever idea on this. One idea I had was to pitch a pup-tent (keep off insects and direct sun but gathering heat) with the sides open for air circulation; setting the trays of food up on bricks inside... I don't know if this would work or if it's just another silly sillia idea!

        [-5.50, -8.05] and in good company. FreeRice level: 50 (good guesser)

        by sillia on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:48:01 AM PDT

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      •  Drying herbs (1+ / 0-)

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        I just hang them upside down in a dry, airy place - but out of the light. They're dry within a couple weeks. Then I remove them from the stalks and store them in the glass jars I'm continually saving (I've been known to buy a product just for the jar it's in... should I seek help?)

        Seriously, which herbs are "blowing all over the place?"

        Dang I wish I'd been in on this conversation yesterday instead of fooling around in the sunshine. I'm only hald kidding here.

        Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

        by Pariah Dog on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:49:34 AM PDT

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  •  asdf (1+ / 0-)

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    Besides, if TSHTF, we're all going to need one another.

    About that... got an address? Looks like a good place to hang during a disaster.

  •  beautiful photo (5+ / 0-)

    As far as canning, so far I've only done jam. Our lot is tiny, even by So Cal standards, and with the houses about 5 ft apart there is precious little space that actually gets any sun. But the first thing I did when we moved in is plant a 3-ft tall peach sapling I got for $6. Now 6 years later I get over a hundred peaches a year, larger than any you've ever seen at the store (and of course infinitely tastier). Peach jam.....mmmmm.....

    I made some raspberry and strawberry jam from fruit I purchased when it was in season and they were practically giving it away at the farmer's market.

    Looking forward to doing some salsa this year. I grow tomatoes every year, but again with our lot being so small and sunless I only get in maybe 4 plants, and love eating them so much that I never have any left over for canning. But I'd like to force myself to try it this year, if only just for the practice. You can't just do any recipe, right?--it has to have like the right balance of acid and sugar or whatever. Thanks for the recipe upthread.

    PS: you haven't lived until you've made your own sourdough bread!!!!!

    The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, and inhibit clarity. --Calvin & Hobbes

    by reid fan on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:24:57 AM PDT

    •  The SanFran yeastie beasties are enviable (3+ / 0-)

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      I just can't seem to make my sourdough taste anywhere near the real thing and have given up in favor of French-style bread.

      IGTNT: Our war dead. Their stories. Read "I Got the News Today."

      by monkeybiz on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:21:13 AM PDT

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      •  I think if you just get a good starter (3+ / 0-)

        that originated from SF area, that you can make the bread anywhere, no? I live in southern CA, and tried making my own starter, but the bread never came out noticeably sour. (funny story: you're supposed to leave the flour/milk batter in a warm place for a few days, and I had the 'genius' idea of choosing the top of my CRT monitor, where it is very warm, but didn't realize just how much the batter expands and that goo overflowed the container...yowza! what a mess!!) Anyhow, so ever after that fabulous mess, the starter just wasn't very good, bread not sour at all. So I got some starter from a friend and it is decades old at least. Fabulous! I can even throw it in my breadmaker and get a pretty good result. I think you can buy "vintage" starters online.

        The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, and inhibit clarity. --Calvin & Hobbes

        by reid fan on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:03:17 PM PDT

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