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Richardson Is The Most Suitable VP Pick

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:22:54 AM PDT

Though I was never a fan of Richardson I've had my lightbulb moment.  Richardson is more qualified than Sibelius, Webb, et al to be Obama's VP.  And as many bloggers have considered an earlier time better for naming or choosing a VP, I've tried to lay out a thorough case for what Obama needs from a running mate.

More below...

I am what you might call a "Young Democrat".  My political development was not contemporaneous with great liberals like Daniel Patrick Moynihan or Paul Wellstone or Howard Metzenbaum.  I had little prior experience with Bill Richardson (and sadly, the Gadsen-SW's the only place west of the Mississippi I've never been) so when the palpable enthusiasm about Richardsom seethed through the nets in early 07 over his presidential campaign, I waited to see the proof in the pudding.  Richardson fizzled.  A most thoroughly uncharismatic candidate on the stump, (and I thought Dodd was charismatic) I remember even Kos, who is more than appreciative of Richardson, making a knock or two during debates.

Like Al Gore, Richardson went through his own little wilderness and came back with a beard to endorse Obama.  There are any number of plausible VP picks: Kathleen Sibelius, Mark Warner, General Anthony Zinni, Wes Clark, Jim Webb, Dodd, Joe Biden, et cetera.  So many different choices?  Who strengthens Obama, our probable candidate?

A few days back I (ratherly awkwardly, like Bill Richardson) wrote that "the ideal running mateis boring":

Barack Obama is the breaks the barriers candidate.  The VP candidate should not draw attention, but rather somewhat hushed respect.  The candidate need not be controversial, or especially well known, as long as he or she is pre-eminant.

Zinni would be an obvious example, and he has appeal to a "group" Obama allegedly needs help with--Italian-American, middle-class whites.  But that's just one example, Zinni is not required.  His credentials, rather than his ingroups, explain his appeal more.

The candidate must be someone who provides competance and wisdom above all else.  No charismatics, no token borderline offensive statements about race or women.  I make exception for candidates chosen for battleground appeal (Webb- Virginia, Edwards - NC) but that's about it.

Any clearly choosing a woman for the sake of a woman sends a contradictory message: first female Vice President... but why a woman subserviant?  Female as the basis is invalid.

Obama's generally perceived weakenesses are "national security" and "executive experience".  You pacify those two, Obama is essentially invincible as a candidate.  These are not the kind of needs that draw forth the waters of charisma, controversy or other fascinating aspects about a VP candidate.

Being a (somewhat disappointed) General Clark fan of several years, I think an Obama-Clark ticket would be ideal in some regard.  Clark knows how to handle the asshats on TV, which is our national means of dialogue.  I don't care if a VP can write an Op-Ed in the NYT or WP, let them hold their own against Brian Williams or Bill-O.  It also seems very less likely than a Richardson slot, because Clark is clearly in the Clinton camp.  Perhaps Clark would be offered as a conciliatory gesture at the Convention?  Might be too late by then.

Obama already needs to be in GE mode against McSame.  Zinni is also a great possible choice.  Biden has great foreign policy experience but experience is not always pre-eminent, as we know.  Biden's contradicted Obama on foreign policy a number of times, so as a ticket their differences would become the subject of conversation (rightly or wrongly).

The rest are less strong.   Now that he's found his progressive voice Dodd should take it to the top and become Senate leader.  Dodd needs to stay in the Senate. As does Webb.  And Warner needs to get in the Senate.

We do not have strong candidates to spare in the Senate seats and Governorships.

Richardson has exactly the foreign policy and executive experience Obama needs.  These are first and foremost his strong points.  

There is no distraction about his identity politics, though a minority pick is also a plus in some ways.  There's no doubt Obama could use help with hispanic voters and Richardson is fluent in Spanish.  You can count on him going on Univision without much help.  And of our possible battleground VP picks (Edwards NC, Webb or Warner in VA) New Mexico is a great state to choose, when we have a Udall running for Senate seat and New Mexico is consistantly showing up as takeable in the general election.

Some argue that VP's don't deliver in battleground states, and they're primarily referring to Edwards.  I'm sure I have in the past.  But let's give John the benefit of the doubt.  That was such a nasty election that a twit won states normally more on the safe side for Democrats, simply because there was so much koolaid and so much disorganization on the part of Sen. Kerry, like Sen. Gore before him.  North Carolina is an incredibly Republican state, and  the Dems were also hedging their bets on the "swing state" strategy--Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania--as Howard Dean was not the national chairperson at that time.  Al Gore certainly helped Bill Clinton out in the 90s, and LBJ probably provided a similar boost for Kennedy across more conservative/southern states.

But these are secondary concerns.

Obama needlessly lost a foreign-policy advisor Samantha Power over a big to-do with the Clinton campaign.  Let's review, they traded out Geraldine Ferraro, a no-account New York politician who lost in her statewide campaigns for Samantha Power, an active wonk and author of A Problem From Hell: America and the Age of Genocide.  Obama lost the foremost expert on genocide in increasingly genocidal times.

And the foremost genocide (though with more company than most of us know in Congo, Iraq, et al) Richardson brokered a Sudan ceasefire.  He arranged the release of captive journalist Paul Salopek.  He is used to negotiating.  He is the quintessential effective American diplomat, 60 years after the birth of the UN.  He was our ambassador to the United Nations.

Because it was a Clinton stint, James Carville called him "Judas".  When Carville matters, anymore/again, let me know.  The real question is whether the Clintons will be petty and make Richardson untouchable for Obama, or whether they will be gracious (aka "party leaders") just like with the Clark scenario.

Second, Richardson is a two-term governor of New Mexico.  Obama is considered weak because he lacks "executive experience".  I subscribe to the campaign argument that how Obama runs his campaign tells you a lot about how he'll run the White House and so should you.  That will win some support and respect, but it's not enough.

Richardson thus is exactly the opposite of 15 years of Bush/Hillary Clinton Washington politics.  He is removed.  And he relies on his technique rather than his person or his ideas to accomplish his goals.  He is a realist.  He is a (light) wonk and not prestigious with the Beltway "cool kids".  His methods are, if not perfect, refined by time.

And that brings me to why Hillary Clinton would be a terrible VP choice.  She is essentially a neo-con, nor is she in small company among Democrats.  Her stance on Iraq is exactly what damned Kerry in 2004: flip-flopping, pandering, hawkishness.  Whether she is afraid of being pegged as "soft" or a true believer a la "The Family" does not matter.  She and Obama have squabbled so many times on Iraq that Obama picking her would send a grossly contradictory message--more compromised than Biden.  And it brings me back to the point on subservient women I made in the blockquote above.  Many Clinton supporters would be satisfied, but some hardcore feminists at the core of Clinton's support would not.  

It's safer to chose a Clinton-affiliate like Richardson or Clark and not risk personalty fights on the campaign trail, for which Hillary Clinton is well known and may have had a bit to do with weakening the 2000 Gore campaign.

Ok? Done.

Richardson does not distract from Obama's barrier-breaking campaign.  He allows Obama to spread his message.  What's more, Richardson was not on anyone's side after he stepped down, he's made it clear that Obama earned his support.

As for policy, if you had to peg Richardson he would be an environmentalist Dem.  This is secondary to the national security and executive experience concerns, but it's ideologically succinct.  George Lakoff and Rockridge and George Soros are recommending the expansion of green capitalism as an investment, and we're talking in the billions of dollars.  

We do need strong Energy experience in the White House.  Someone who knows how to navigate those waters, ready to debate the ghosts of Dick Cheney and his task force.  (And remember they have both legacy and profits to motivate them: they won't rest in peace after 2008.) Richardson was Secretary of Energy, and has shown deftness and capability as NM's governor.

So let's review: Obama needs a VP with foreign policy and executive experience credentials.  Richardson?  Check.  

Richardson also complements Obama on:

  1. attracting minorities without rousing a feminist backlash,
  1. being able to engage in-Spanish latino voters and stump fluently in Spanish,
  1. good prospects to deliver New Mexico, not only an a) swing state that would b) break the Ohio-Florida-Pennsylvania strategy that has killed the Democratic Party some 16 years after Clinton codified it, but a swing state with c) a crucial Senate race when we are desperate to get up to 58 or 60 Senate seats.  
  1. Keep politicians in redder states in their seats, rather than losing Senators like Webb or a potential Senator Warner.
  1. Provide a strong emphasis on liberal energy policy exactly when climate change is now politically workable in Washington.

Richardson is almost the fill in the vacuum.  He is unabashedly liberal in all regards (which the Kerry-Edwards campaign was not in 2004, to their own detriment with swing voters) which is strong because voters like integrity and self-confidence.  He does not detract from Obama's spotlight: it's Obama's campaign, and millions of voters still need to get to know Barack.  

Though I was not a Richardson fan he's an exceptionally strong choice because he will ease the criticism of all of Obama's principal weaknesses, and strengthen the campaign.  That's essentially what the VP pick needs to do, whomever Obama chooses.  Clark would be another fine pick if they can snag him after they make peace with the Clintons.

If any of you Obama staffers are reading, I hope you'll take note.

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  •  Thanks for reading (20+ / 0-)

    I hope I've laid out all the nuance and the details.  Though I'll have inevitably missed something, I appreciate your feedback and support in trying to do what's best for the Democratic Party to make it a better and stronger party, and take back the White House.

    Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

    by Nulwee on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:24:33 AM PDT

    •  One big Richardson plus for me (1+ / 0-)

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      and you touched on it-- is that while he is 'experienced' and has many years in politics under his belt, he is not seen as being jaded by that time.  Unlike the Clintons, or even someone like Biden, Richardson feels like he hasn't compromised his ethics in order to be where he is.  He doesn't seem like he's been horse-trading for a hundred years.  This fits in very very nicely with Obama's theme of a new kind of politics.
      I kept wondering how Obama would find someone to fulfill both experience and newness, and Richardson does it!

    •  Is Richardson the best we have? (1+ / 0-)

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      peace voter

      If Richardson is the best, then fine.

      I simply doubt that Richardson is the best we have.

      To a Democrat, "democracy" means "free elections." To a Republican, "free markets."

      by XOVER on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:08:07 AM PDT

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  •  my problem with richardson (4+ / 0-)

    is the debates. he never seemed to connect very well - bumbled a lot, mumbled a lot.. i don't think he's the best choice for this reason. we need a strong debater to go against the mccain-twin. others will disagree about his debate expertise, but i still have qualms..

    •  True (4+ / 0-)

      but debates are not the end-all.  They weren't for Bush, nor is Richardson going to be the end-all as a VP candidate.

      Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

      by Nulwee on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:36:04 AM PDT

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      •  He didn't connect with whom? (3+ / 0-)

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        The politically-interested Democrat?

        He connects with independents and Hispanics: that's all that matters.

        Obama is trying to build a new enduring coalition; latinos are a key part of that plan.

        Start spreading this meme: The "Weekend at Bernie's" Economy!

        by Paul Goodman on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:45:40 AM PDT

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        •  I was lukewarm (2+ / 0-)

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          towards Richardson mainly because I was not impressed with his debate performances and didn't think he would make a strong presidential nominee.  But the VP slot is a different kettle of fish and I think Richardson could well complement Obama on the ticket.

          Barack Obama, 44th President of the United States

          by winsock on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:53:08 AM PDT

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          •  Did you read the diary? (0+ / 0-)

            the VP doesn't need to connect.  They're like insulation.  You don't connect with insulation.

            Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

            by Nulwee on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:00:04 AM PDT

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            •  Yeah, I'm agreeing (0+ / 0-)

              with the diarist.

              Barack Obama, 44th President of the United States

              by winsock on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:26:54 AM PDT

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            •  I disagree! Part of Gore's problem was (0+ / 0-)

              the idiot Lieberman not winning a single debate with Cheney! He appeared to be hero worshipping the guy during the debates. Now we can see he probably was.

              I think part of what got Bill Clinton elected was having a similarly young, energetic running mate. They seemed to speak to the new generation taking over and that is what we need now. So I wonder if Obama needs to find someone like himself, but then there isn't anyone.  

              I am going to trust Obama to find someone good.

              •  Lieberman (0+ / 0-)

                Picking Lieberman was a huge mistake. In the VP debates, Cheney claimed that the money he had had nothing to do with the government. This gave Lieberman the opportunity to challenge Cheney, as he had made an awful lot of money from Haliburton's government contracts. But of course, Lieberman wasn't going to do anything but roll over.

                It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.

                by A Citizen on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 03:41:01 PM PDT

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  •  Richardson will not get the Reagan Democrats (1+ / 0-)

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    that Obama needs to help him win the election.  Other than that, I like Richardson.

    Obama/Webb '08 or Obama/Kaine '08

    by Drdemocrat on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:31:27 AM PDT

    •  obama already HAS them. (2+ / 0-)

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      and plenty more.

      richardson will be just fine.

      62169 - which apparently means A LOT.

      by jj24 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:32:07 AM PDT

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    •  "reagan democrats" is more myth (7+ / 0-)

      They are the old dixiecrats who were conservative anyone.

      The new coalition is a majority without them.

      If you are talking about blue collar, white working class democrats who understand that republicans F them on economic issues, Carter and Mondale had a majority of those.

      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

      by davefromqueens on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:39:53 AM PDT

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      •  Blue Collar Dems in New Mexico (2+ / 0-)

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        voted for Richardson just as much as they "won't" vote for "liberal Richardson"..

        Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

        by Nulwee on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:00:45 AM PDT

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        •  Good point: the conventional wisdom sucks (3+ / 0-)

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          I agree about Richardson: he's clearly the best out there.  The benefits of taking a military white guy seem to be vastly overstated relative to taking the most experienced and qualified person, who also is Latino.

          •  What folks seem to be missing is this: (3+ / 0-)

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            Obama has charisma.  There's no charisma deficit.  Richardson is not going to suck up all the charisma and run away with it.

            Gore and Kerry lost, in part, because of their lack of charisma.  Gore didn't hurt Clinton, nor did LBJ hurt Kennedy.

            Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

            by Nulwee on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:24:30 AM PDT

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            •  actually it seemed like Richardson became more (2+ / 0-)

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              confident and charismatic when he came out for Obama.

              I keep thinking about one complaint I heard from a Clinton latina organizer about black politicians "They never do anything for us". With Richardson on the ticket, it's a strong signal to the latino community that the Obama administration is going to be genuinely inclusive.

              It could bring the latino community into the democratic coalition for decades to come.

              I'd be very excited to see an Obama/Richardson ticket. But Richardson absolutely has to keep the beard. It's hot :)

              "I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it." Zoe (Firefly)

              by geejay on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:17:37 AM PDT

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    •  Reagan Democrats! (2+ / 0-)

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      No Richardson would not exactly draw any "Reagan Democrats" but he would fully make up for it in Hispanic votes.

      Kill your TV, especially the FOX, ABC and CNN channels.

      by ajleiker on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:28:07 AM PDT

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  •  Obama/Richardson '08 (4+ / 0-)

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    I think Richardson is actually way better when he is advocating for Barack than when he was running myself. I agree 100%...my #1 pick for the VP slot

    "vote for me or the Children will die" HRC

    by Feliks on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:32:29 AM PDT

    •  Yes, (1+ / 0-)

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      I didn't think he was a good match until he came out for Obama....he was far more passionate on that occasion, which leads me to believe that his move was through conviction, not calculation. And oddly enough, I think he looks a lot better with the beard. He adds a lot to the ticket as obviously he would bring out Hispanics in record numbers. Texas, NM, and Nevada are definite possibilities for these two candidates when you combine Indies, "high info voters", the youth, plus a record turnout off AA's and Latinos.  

  •  Bad on the stump and potential scandals (5+ / 0-)

    Not for veep. Great surrogate and Sec. of State.

    I know who Obama's veep will be. You can too!

    by slaney black on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:33:40 AM PDT

  •  richardson is my hope (4+ / 0-)

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    i think he'll make the absolutely perfect VP, and i truly can't think of another.

    62169 - which apparently means A LOT.

    by jj24 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:33:43 AM PDT

    •  Plus! (1+ / 0-)

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      It will be poetic justice for Billary when Richardson becomes vp and they're left to watch.

      "vote for me or the Children will die" HRC

      by Feliks on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:35:06 AM PDT

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      •  If you think (1+ / 0-)

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        the Obama campaign is going to poke their finger in the Clintons' eye just because they want Richardson or anything else after the convention, you either don't understand party politics or Obama's a moron.

        Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

        by Nulwee on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:37:21 AM PDT

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        •  richardson as VP has to do with clinton's eyes - (1+ / 0-)

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          how?

          the world doesn't revolve around them.  sheesh.  we're looking to an END to that drama dynasty, not some "who shot JR" episode.  get them off the screen!  vote them off the show!  do something!

          62169 - which apparently means A LOT.

          by jj24 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:43:37 AM PDT

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  •  Should he be losing Jewish suppert to rumors (1+ / 0-)

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    livosh1

    he's a Muslim it would an excuse to put Feingold on the ticket.

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    Guns don't kill people. Giant mutant insects kill people.

    by VelvetElvis on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:37:56 AM PDT

    •  If that's what "the Jews" think (2+ / 0-)

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      then they aren't to be placated, but mocked.

      Start spreading this meme: The "Weekend at Bernie's" Economy!

      by Paul Goodman on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:47:22 AM PDT

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      •  you missed the important part (0+ / 0-)

        that being an excuse to put Feingold on the ticket

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        Guns don't kill people. Giant mutant insects kill people.

        by VelvetElvis on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:54:13 AM PDT

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        •  I love Russ Feingold, (1+ / 0-)

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          he and Jack Reed are my favorite Senators, but I don't want either of them on the ticket.  They are voices that need to stay in the Senate, especially if Obama is the President.  It will take every progressive Senator to really start moving the agenda and the loss of those voices would be terrible.  Who knows what we would get to replace them in their own states? Sure, they may be Democrats, but would they be Feingold/Reed Democrats or DLC type Senators?  

          That's my worry.

          In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

          by Alise on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:01:55 AM PDT

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  •  Let Obama Vet Them All (0+ / 0-)

    Richardson could be A suitable VP Pick.

    All of the other names out there could work as well.

    Obama will make the right choice in the end.

    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

    by davefromqueens on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:40:44 AM PDT

  •  I have problems with Richardson (4+ / 0-)

    while I acknowledge that he has a number of accomplishments in his past, and that in theory he would help immensely with the Hispanic vote in NV, CO and NM, I am unconvinced that he is ready for prime time.  This based not only on watching him during the campaign, but also having talked with him on more than one occasion, and having watched his public career, especially during his tenure as Secretary of Energy.

    I do not think he would be a disaster.  I wonder whether what he brings to the ticket is as much of a net plus as other candidates might be?  I would far rather see him as Secretary of State, where his considerable experience in negotiations would make a great deal of sense. And I think presenting him as a lead foreign policy advisor during the campaign would get as much benefit as naming him as running mate, without having to worry about some of the other concerns.

    Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

    by teacherken on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:42:36 AM PDT

    •  Executive experience, (0+ / 0-)

      foreign policy cred, brings in the Hispanic vote, plus being another "mixed race" candidate who looks like the new America. I think he is a perfect pick as long as he doesn't shave the beard... without it he always reminded me of Fred Flintstone.

      Plus, he threw his support to Obama at a critical time when it required real courage to do so. It was his endorsement that seemed to cement the belief that Obama had successfully risen above the Wright "flap".  

    •  I agree that (0+ / 0-)

      he is a horrible stumper.  When I originally wrote about a possible VP back in mid 2007 it was all about Clark, who's the very opposite in that regard.

      Democratic politicians sometimes take their time in the national spotlight to pick up the game.

      But there's also this:

      Gives me some reason to believe that Richardson's awkwardness at least improved these last few months.

      Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

      by Nulwee on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:41:47 AM PDT

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  •  I am afraid you are forgetting something (2+ / 0-)

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    Which is that Richardson has HUGE baggage in his private life and he clearly won't be the VP pick for that very reason, whatever his strengths on paper.

    •  The millions of latinos (3+ / 0-)

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      won't give a damn about that.

      Identity politics trumps feigned outrage EVERY TIME!

      Start spreading this meme: The "Weekend at Bernie's" Economy!

      by Paul Goodman on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:49:05 AM PDT

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      •  That's not exactly the problem here (1+ / 0-)

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        The electorate is more than Latinos. We don't want a VP candidate hounded by stories of sexual pecadillos. A VP is supposed to be an asset all around not an asset in some circles and a liability in others
        That kind of problem would be easily avoided ... by not making Richardson the VP.
        I am not trying to argue for or against him here. I like him fine enough. I am saying it won't happen. Daz all.

    •  please tell me what the baggage is! (1+ / 0-)

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      people keep saying this but they don't elaborate and it is driving me nuts!  you're killin' me, doriangz!  ;-P

      seriously, though, if you know what the baggage is, will you please post it for me?  I do't want to waste energy thinking about Richardson if he is truly dead in the water....

      •  I don't have specific stories (1+ / 0-)

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        But journalists have been hinting for quite a while there are quite a bit of cheating going on as well as a lot of "Bill is too handsy" problem which makes me think sexual harassment scandal is not far behind.
        Read Ryan Lizza's piece in TNR from last June to see the hints they drop.
        And rumors that persistent cannot come out of thin air :)

  •  My only concern... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...are all the rumors about the women and how Richardson is a version of Bill Clinton.

    I don't live in New Mexico so I don't know, but we don't need another guy like that on the ticket right now when a woman candidate came in second.

    If Richardson were on the ticket, it would put California, Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado in the bag.

    Si Se Puede indeed!

    •  what is the stuff about women? no one ever says! (4+ / 0-)

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      I think we're (wisteacher and all of us) victims of hearing a stupid rumor, otherwise, people would be able to elaborate...

      •  Hugging! Lot's of close hugging! (0+ / 0-)

        Link to my post above that sheds a little light on potential scandals....

        •  I think you know (1+ / 0-)

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          There is more to it than that. Such persistent rumors don't come out of nowhere. And I guarantee you he won't be the VP pick because a close vetting will prove them somehow true.
          Guaranteed
          You post was great though about his other liabilites

          •  The rumor that Obama is a muslim persists (2+ / 0-)

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            Is that true too?

          •  Well, I don't know that personally, (1+ / 0-)

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            Do you? So far it is rumours, nothing here in New Mexico newspapers accusing him or proving otherwise that I have seen. I'd be interested in the factual details of marital affairs, so please link. I'm willing to believe it, I just haven't read anything factual about it, so thanks.

            Yet we know the other 2 are definitely true. Richardson screwed up while in charge as Energy Secretary, a couple of big security breakdowns on his watch. Many Republicans at that time said he ruined any chance for the WhiteHouse or cabinet due to those errors.

          •  here's the story on vetting, hugging (0+ / 0-)

            It was never about Richardson having affairs, it's always been about his hugging and annoying personal touching of women.

            Richardson Defense Raises Questions

            Even so, many Democrats say gossip about Richardson's personal behavior is an important factor keeping an exceptionally well-credentialed politician -- a former energy secretary and ambassador to the United Nations, who has been elected in a swing state -- from entering the top tier of 2008 candidates.

            On the day in January that Richardson announced his campaign, Steve Clemons, a former Democratic staffer who is a senior fellow at the New America Foundation, asked in an open letter: "Have you behaved inappropriately or not in public settings with female members of your government administration?"

            The question had already been raised by the Albuquerque Journal, which in December 2005 published a front-page piece about Richardson under the headline "Hands-On Governor." Richardson told the newspaper he has an informal, physical style with both men and women that he employs to lighten the mood and connect with people.

            Denish --  a Democrat who ran on the same ticket as Richardson -- said that she sometimes finds Richardson's physical style "irritating and annoying" but that he had never touched her in an improper way. Still, she said, his behavior was inappropriate in public because it could be misconstrued.

            •  don't you know that there's more to it? (0+ / 0-)

              there's way more than the Denish story.  Did you not read the question for Bill Richardson posed by Democratic blogger Steven Clemmons:

              "Have you behaved inappropriately or not in public settings with female members of your government administration, jokingly or not? Have you gestured to female public servants and political appointees -- who work as colleagues with you -- and made lewd gestures, specifically pointing to them and then pointing at your crotch with a room full of media and other politicos there in the room?"

              Steven Clemmons
              A Question for Bill Richardson
              January 21, 2007

              "It was never about Richardson having affairs, it's always been about his hugging and annoying personal touching of women."

              — CalNM

              Why do you defend him?  Why are you so sure that there's not lots more to this story?  I, for one, know for a fact that there's more to it.


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              by peace voter on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:17:42 AM PDT

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          •  it's as important as YOU make it. (0+ / 0-)

            why aren't YOU shunning the bullshit?

            really, it's up to us to decide what we care about.

            62169 - which apparently means A LOT.

            by jj24 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:57:35 AM PDT

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      •  Besides... (0+ / 0-)

        the media hasn't even begun to examine McSame yet.  We have time for the Richardson Pants Party story when McSame is one of the most corrupt Washington politicians today?

        They've barely delved into:

        the Keating five.
        or Iseman

        and they haven't examined
        disenfranchisement of the Dine-Pueblo (I should say, land theft) as Mr. Indian Agent
        his insane hawkishness and closeness to the Bushies after 7 years.

        Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

        by Nulwee on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:15:04 AM PDT

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      •  some have elaborated (0+ / 0-)

        I know that there's more...but you might want to start here.


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        by peace voter on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:30:45 AM PDT

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  •  I also hope (2+ / 0-)

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    Obama picks him as Secretary of State. He's quite skilled in that area...

  •  Richardson -- looks great on paper (0+ / 0-)

    Richardson has a perfect political resume

    Hispanic western governor with foreign policy experience -- in fact, when you look at his resume, you might think why wasn't he our guy at the top of the ticket?

    Well, actually, you would only think that if you just crawled out of a cave that you were living in since 2006.  He was a terrible campaigner -- mumbling, weird, kinda sexist -- just a total washout.

    Plus, his hispanic cred would work a lot better if his name wasn't "Richardson."

    I think he should be on the short list because he's got the resume, but he is far from perfect.

  •  Richardson or Clark.. (2+ / 0-)

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    ..are my current preferences. I slightly lean toward Clark, because I think he will counter McCain's military background and help across the board with middle class voters. He may help keep Michigan Democratic. I think Richardson will give a certain stature to the ticket, also, with his background and may help bring Florida around.

    But, McCain is going to run a one-note campaign based on national security and Clark would be the best foil to McCain. He can be an attack dog with real teeth as he rebuts every right-wing, war mongering, freedom-robbing suggestion 'muttering John' makes.

    Go on the offense against McCain. Clark is the one to do it.

    Isn't it discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit? (Noel Coward)

    by Mid10Dem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:47:57 AM PDT

    •  I agree, Clark would be a good VP choice... (3+ / 0-)

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      Obama could designate Clark as point man to get the Iraq mess under control.  Clark is articulate, and would take the military advantage away from McCain.  His relative youth and vigor compared to McCain would also be a plus.  And he would serve as a symbolic bridge to the disappointed Clinton camp.

      I was disappointed when Clark threw in his lot with the Clinton crowd, but with an Obama nomination, that connection might actually be an advantage.

      Richardson would be a good Secretary of State or UN Ambassador.  

      Kennedy era: The business of America is America. Reagan era: The business of America is Business. Bush era: The Business of America is screwing America.

      by djohnutk on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:59:04 AM PDT

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      •  Clark (0+ / 0-)

        I've heard that Clark is not well respected among the military.

        •  Depends on who in the Military.... (0+ / 0-)

          He is well respected among many of the retirees and I am certain he has more strong backers in the military than detractors.  It is the Bush flunkies that would not like him as he doesn't fit with the neocons.

          Your statement is a red herring.

          Kill your TV, especially the FOX, ABC and CNN channels.

          by ajleiker on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:25:59 AM PDT

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          •  Excerpt from interview (0+ / 0-)

            Why was he fired anyways? And why did Schwazkopf blast him?

            Interview
            GEN. NORMAN SCHWARZKOPF, U.S. ARMY (RET.): He was fired because of matters of character and integrity. That is a very, very damning statement which says if that’s the case he’s not the right man for president as far as I’m concerned.
                  (END VIDEO CLIP)
                  MATTHEWS: Well, response?
                  CLARK: Well, I think you cut off the first part of it, which is, first of all from him, it’s hearsay. He’s quoting another officer who says that that’s why I was fired. And he said if that’s the case. Well, it’s not the case. I wasn’t fired for reasons of character and integrity. In fact, according to the statements of Secretary Cohen, Hugh Shelton and everybody else, I wasn’t fired at all. What we actually had...
                  MATTHEWS: Why did Schwarzkopf say that?
                  CLARK: I have no idea. But I’ll tell you what we really did have, Chris, we really had a policy dispute. We had a policy

  •  On Webb: (2+ / 0-)

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    Kaine, A Democrat, would appoint his replacement.
    Mark Warner's gonna run. Mark Warner's gonna win.
    He'll mop up the floor with Gilmore or anyone else the RPV can field.
    Webb as Obama's running mate would pull in independents, moderates, and disaffected Republicans, and his military background would deflect the attacks on Obama's patriotism, and inoculate against the "weak on security" meme.
    I like Webb for VP, Richardson at SecState, Edwards at AG, and (yes, the Republican) Hagel at SecDef.

    My $.02.

    Cobalt6 And I'd have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.

    by kestrel9000 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:49:46 AM PDT

  •  Several good choices (1+ / 0-)

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    Richardson will help shore up Latino vote.  And, it is clear from their joint appearance when Richardson endorsed Obama that they have some personal chemistry together. It reminded me of the personal chemistry Clinton and Gore had during the '92 campaign.

    I'd still consider others at this point.  Webb was very good on ABC this morning. He'll help flip Virginia and add national security credential too.

    Feingold is a sleeper choice that no one really is considering, but I wouldn't count him out. Probably would shore up Wisconsin and Jewish HRC supporters, and would be a powerful and articulate voice in criticizing McSame's Iraq policy. I also think he he could play the traditional attack-dog role that VP candidates play. Because he is personal friends with McCain, his attacks would not be personal, but very substantive.

    Wes Clark will make it to the final round of consideration.  He may be effective as an olive branch to HRC.

    And I know folks don't want to hear this, but I just have this hunch that HRC may end up being strongly considered by Obama.

  •  he has a zipper problem which poses a problem (3+ / 0-)

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    and it's what I've heard from the New Mexico State Democratic Party.

    What's madness but nobility of the soul at odds with circumstance?

    by slinkerwink on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:56:56 AM PDT

    •  "Hands-on" Governor (1+ / 0-)

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      Many NM Dems don't like Richardson, so it's not surprising they would spread rumors about him. Could be true, but so far it's just gossip due to his hugging. Seriously - he's an over-hugger, and touchy-feely. He's a big toucher of women.

      I even found a story about it Richardson & Women.

      New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson's 2008 presidential campaign has been burdened by unusually public discussion about his behavior with women.

      The lieutenant governor of New Mexico, Diane Denish was quoted in the Albuquerque Journal saying she avoids standing or sitting near Richardson because of his physical manner, which she said was not improper but was "annoying." The governor, she said, "pinches my neck. He touches my hip, my thigh, sort of the side of my leg."

      •  ahem...only "rumors", "gossip" & "hugging"? (1+ / 0-)

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        perhaps not.

        It seems almost inevitable that when Bill Richardson's name comes up as a possible running mate for Barack Obama at least one person comes forward with a comment that casts doubt on the NM Guv's ability to survive a thorough vetting.

        Richardson does have fidelity issues

        A friend in DC who works for Senator Bingaman (NM) told me several years ago that they have quietly worried about this problem for sometime.  

        gloryous1 (uid 107140)
        3.27.2008

        But these warnings are not just related to the Guv being on the ticket with Obama, they can be found in years old comments:

        I always liked Richardson

        and particularly admire his negotiating skills.  I thought he would be a great Secretary of State in a Kerry administration.  However,  someone who is supposedly "in the know" told me that he didn't run for president this time around because he had a zipper problem.  If this is true, then he probably won't be looking at 2008 either, unless the US goes through some magic metamorphosis and stops caring about this kind of crap.

        Radiowalla (uid 3189)
        Dec 16, 2004

        If Gore runs, he gets the nomination, he'll swamp  
        everyone else, hands down.

        Gore/Richardson might work out if Richardson doesn't in fact turn out to have too many skeletons in his close[t] (re: DoE and a reputed "zipper problem").

        verasoie (uid 14471)
        Sep 25, 2005

        this is from DC rumor mill

        so take it for what it is worth.  The subject of Richardson came up at last night's DC Drinking Liberally.   Several people with good connections on the hill said that he has a zipper problem at least the equal of Clinton's.  

        Take it for what it is worth.  I am no position to evaluate it, but given the nature of the gathering, it is noteworthy about how openly it was offered.  Neither of the people I heard shop it has any direct connection of which I am aware with any putative nominee, although one has a blood relationship with a fairly conservative Democrat in N Virginia.

        teacherken (uid 4334)
        July 08, 2005

        The Guv

        Richardson looks good on paper as far as demographics go but many who work with him view him as a petulant bully. Many Dem politicos don't really like him, and neither do many native New Mexicans, though they may enjoy the attention and excitement he generates in what is essentially a backwater state.

        He is the antithesis of a grassroots candidate, known for his brazen courting of big dollar donors, especially gambling and racetrack interests, and his favors to those who give big. He's good at media grandstanding and has hired a virtual stable of former newspaper and tv media people to serve on his staff.

        I'd say his strength was environmental issues and some support and initiative for certain economic justice measures. He's basically a DLC Dem like the Clintons.

        There are many longstanding rumors with good sources that speak to his sharing Bill Clinton's zipper problem. Also google Wen Ho Lee. To my mind, he scapegoated Lee to the enth degree to cover his own incompetence in running the energy department.

        As a long-time New Mexican Democrat, I don't support him as a presidential candidate. His pluses don't outweight his flaws and expedient proclivities in my book.

        barbwire (uid 52488)
        Nov 21, 2005

        The comments continue.  These are from 2007:

        There is fire under this smoke  

        OK, this is hearsay upon hearsay but, well, hear me out.

        I have two friends* who I will call Mary and Christina because their first names are Mary and Christina.

        We all worked on a foreign policy issue that Ambassador Richardson got involved in (in a good way I'll note).  Both Mary and Christina had to deal with Richardson directly and both related/complained that he had a blonde thing.  Both are blondes fwiw.

        I mostly like Richardson's politics just fine (except his affection for trade agreements) and he did right by us on our issue.  That said, the Democratic party should be careful of hitching to Richardson's wagon because the handsiness thing is probably a real issue and it probably will emerge as a public and ugly issue if Richardson becomes a top tier candidate.  

        I say probably a real issue though I'm only working off of two anecdotes from women I know and trust.  I wasn't in the room with them but at least for me, when I add two anecdotes from people I know personally with rumors on the Internets and they all point in the same direction, I'm inclined to give the rumors more credence than I otherwise would.

        *Truth be told, Mary is more of a 'former colleague' than a friend but we all worked in the same little world.  BTW, referring to this as a 'bimbo' problem is a mistake.  Though I don't care much for Mary, neither she nor Christina are bimbos.  No reason to tar the target of unwanted affections with a nasty moniker.

        APeacefulDisposition (uid 8907)
        2.7.2007

        here 'tis

        from Steve Clemmons' Washington Note blog.  he's one of the people most responsible for sinking John Bolton's UN nomination and forcing Bush to appoint him as a recess job.  the incident in the story he mentions about Richardson's lewd public gesture was witnessed by many.  I also work with a woman who has a friend who has had to interact with him in various capacities, and she first told me about this stuff years ago.  i do respect the guy's service, but he can't be the nominee.

        itsbenj (uid 3240)
        6.1.2007

        Sorry. I live in NM as well.

        I've heard much.

        KayCeSF  (uid 40073)
        2.7.2007

        It doesn't stop there.

        Richardson's another clinton, complete with zipper problem.

        No thanks.

        RisingTide  (uid 108249)
        8.24.2007

        You don't really want me to back up my allegations.  Because that would shoot your argument in the foot. Instead, you would like me to admit that i have no proof.

        Of journalistic facts, I have none -- of opinions I have many.

        Unfortunately, that allegation is neither. It comes from what I consider a reliable source; and I acknowledge that you will consider it unfounded, no matter how much I trust my sources.

        RisingTide  (uid 108249)
        8.24.2007

        The "zipper problem" rumors..

        Have been going around for a long time.  I heard them from people higher up on the 2000 Gore campaign when Richardson was rumored to be on the "short list" for Veep.  (And as was state dep. field dir., anyone higher up was pretty clued into Democratic goings on.)

        I like Richardson, and I would love to see a Latino nominee.  However, I don't think any campaign need such a distraction, if the rumors are in fact based in truth.

        mwb (uid 1125)
        2.7.2007

        Kos refered to this,

        quite obliquely, a week or two ago in his roundup of candidates for the nomination.  It was the first I had heard of it, and it disturbed me and made me think less of Richardson.

        Kos' words, in describing a negative of his candidacy, were something like "and there is talk of his having, what should I say, a Bill Clinton problem"

        arodb  (uid 91059)
        2.7.2007

        I've heard from numerous Dem politicians and operatives that there is a long line of ladies who would be brought out of the woodwork and sink his campaign should he get the nomination.

        dcnative (uid 87402)
        10.30.2007

        I probably would never have commented on Richardson's inappropriate and unwelcome behavior if I had not been aware of it for years, and had not seen his enthusiasts blowing off concerns about the behavior.  Then the Diane Denish story came out in the Albuquerque Journal, and Steve Clemons asked about extremely vulgar behavior.

        Anyway, I wouldn't diminish the problem by characterizing it as "rumors", "gossip" & "hugging". And, although Richardson and his campaign have made the claim that he was "fully vetted" when he was on the short list to run as Kerry's veep, the claim is in dispute.

        "He wanted to be considered because he wanted his name out there," a senior Democrat close to the vice presidential process said of Richardson. "And once his name was out there, he withdrew. So there was never a full vetting."

        This Democrat said Richardson's citing of the 2004 vetting process as a rejoinder to questions about his personal behavior is "a crazy thing to go around saying."

        — Ben Smith
        Richardson Defense Raises Questions



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        by peace voter on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:54:57 AM PDT

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        •  well, I had asked for some links (1+ / 0-)

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          Was wanting more of a news story to the proof there are actual allegations of incidents, not repeated quotes of requotes of the "zipper problem" quote which doesn't get us to the source of these rumors or full-on accusations of infidelity as you characterize them.
          I googled and could not find any, just the same string of hearsay.

          I also said I would believe it about Richardson if there were some news story links about an actual zipper problem, some incident where a woman has accused him and it's in the news.

          You must admit that Bill Clinton had actual news stories, women and others who came forward to accuse him publicly of infidelity and "zipper problems" for a long time. I'm just asking for the same type of journalistic evidence, that there where even these stories of Richardson, because I couldn't find any.

          I'm not even a fan of Richardson, I just want to have a source of an actual story, not repeats of the "I've heard he has a zipper problem."

          I've met him before and am good friends with somebody who's worked with him often. I don't like him for other reasons already, from all that I've heard.

          •  links (1+ / 0-)

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            Hi Cal,

            AFAIK there are no stories of women who have - by name - come forward to complain about Richardson's reputed sometimes vulgar and unwelcome sexual advances.  You've probably seen the Diane Denish story about inappropriate touching - and the Steve Clemmons question for the Governor.

            There's a chance that I would not give much credence to the rumors if I had not been aware of the actual problem for many years - I'm not at liberty to provide names and details - sorry I can't be more helpful.

            I felt compelled to comment on this paticular issue a while back when I observed Richardson boosters dismissing suggestions about the problem as baseless - since I knew that they were not baseless.

            Since then I've taken in interest is looking at comments in which these concerns are raised - and one of the things that is clear is that this particular concern appears to be widely held in Democratic circles.

            But you are right, there's no real "journalistic evidence" beyond the rather minor incident reported last Summer by Ryan Lizza in TNR and the storis already mentioned....as far as I know.


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            by peace voter on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 07:33:06 AM PDT

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  •  Kaine is almost 100% the VP (1+ / 0-)

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    no one else comes close.

    •  Your arguements have me convinced! NT (2+ / 0-)

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    •  Why Kaine, come on, bring it! (0+ / 0-)

      Strong unions for a strong America

      by realwischeese on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:18:17 AM PDT

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      •  Why Kaine is most probable: (4+ / 0-)

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        During the VA primary Kaine kept urging O to an O/Webb ticket and O kept insisting he wanted Kaine as VP. Maybe just banter between best friends but more likely not.

        Kaine is probably the most popular governor in the US and is term limited. He is from Missouri (Kansas City which is important to Dems as they always win St. Louis) and he is governor of Virginia. He is a very strong Irish Catholic who took a year out of Harvard Law to work with the poor in central America for the Jesuits (fluent Spanish and "simpatico"). He was a civil rights lawyer (with many latino clients) before becoming governor.

        Kaine is so popular he flips both MO and VA from GOP to Dem- 27 electoral votes. He is so Irish Catholic he firms up the northeast- especially PA, OH, NJ. His Spanish and "simpatico" status are perfect helping O in the other demographic he has trouble with.

        He is 100% loyal to O and was the first major office holder to endorse O who is one of his best friends from law school days. Plus he's a hell of a nice guy and likability is most important in a VP pick- someone people wouldn't mind taking over if the prez dies. They don't expect the VP to answer any 3am calls or be "ready on day one".

        Anyway neighbors of mine in the campaign (I'm in DC) assume Kaine is the pick for VP.