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The State of Clinton Campaign Finances: A Comprehensive Review

Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:45:59 AM PDT

As we all know, the Clinton campaign has had some financial difficulties. I did some reading today to get a better overall picture of the Clinton finances, and I am sharing my findings in this diary.

While I didn't uncover much new information, I did get a better overall picture of the Clinton campaign finances, and I came to the realization that the Clinton campaign's financial standing is worse than it appears. The Clinton campaign lost its edge in fundraising much earlier than it should have, mismanaged the funds on hand, and operated consistently in the red for all of 2008 and in part of 2007. This is a case where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts -- when you look at each of the financial problems individually, it looks bad, but when considering all of the financial problems combined, the big picture is devastating.

Join me below the fold for a comprehensive review of Hillary's primary campaign finances...

I'll try to go in somewhat chronological order here (although that's a little difficult later).

Obama outraised Clinton early in 2007:

One of the myths that most ordinary Americans and even some political activists have given credence to is that Clinton held a lead in financing throughout 2007, and Obama only began to outraise her after winning Iowa. However, he actually began outraising her early in 2007, as this article from one year ago shows. Of course, no one paid much attention when Jesse Jackson (D-IL) said in April of last year,

This is a long road and a long process to the White House, but make no doubt about it, Barack Obama is driving the fastest car.

As far as the MSM was concerned, the Clintons were still the big fundraisers in the Democratic Party. In fact, two days before ABC News told the public that Obama had outraised Hillary, the New York Times headline said, "Clinton Campaign Shows Fundraising Edge." At every juncture of this primary race, the MSM dismissed Obama and regarded Clinton as inevitable, even after he won Iowa and South Carolina and right up until he won more delegates on Super Tuesday.

What I found most interesting was that the Clinton campaign did not take him seriously until right before Super Tuesday when the Clintons loaned Hillary's campaign $5 million. While the Obama campaign was spending money in very calculating ways aimed at winning votes, the Clinton campaign was spending huge sums of their money on consultants (or as Dean calls them, professional election losers), and things like snow shovels, and catering for events where no food was allowed. Clinton spent $800,000 in South Carolina to turn out black voters only to have her husband turn them out for Obama.

2007 Clinton Donations from Unlikely Sources:

In fact, last April, the same month that Obama was making headlines for overtaking Clinton's fundraising numbers, Clinton was offering to retire $400,000 of Governor Vilsack's campaign debt. They Clintons were so confident, they were just giving money away. According to the Los Angeles Times:

Dishwashers, waiters and others whose jobs and dilapidated home addresses seem to make them unpromising targets for political fundraisers are pouring $1,000 and $2,000 contributions into Clinton's campaign treasury.

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At least one reported donor denies making a contribution. Another admitted to lacking the legal-resident status required for giving campaign money.

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One-third of those donors could not be found using property, telephone or business records. Most have not registered to vote

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And several dozen were described in financial reports as holding jobs -- including dishwasher, server or chef -- that would normally make it difficult to donate amounts ranging from $500 to the legal maximum of $2,300 per election.

Maybe it was all of the busboys donating to the Clinton campaign that made her so sure of her inevitability. Should we have seen this as the first sign of financial trouble? At the time, most of us saw it as the Clintons' ability to raise the necessary funds through any means necessary. I'm sure some people saw it as a warning sign that her most committed donors were maxed out, but I don't remember having those thoughts at the time.

Nevertheless, the Clinton campaign did raise more money in the third and fourth quarters of 2007 and the 2007 year overall.

Clinton's First Cash Crunch Started in Early January 2008:

I've discussed this article with fellow political activists today, and each one was under the impression that Clinton's financial crisis began a few days before Super Tuesday. The first article I found, though, that talked about the Clinton campaign having financial difficulty was a prominent article in Time Magazine on January 6. So, why did so many well-informed people believe her financial problems weren't real until she loaned herself $5 million? Maybe it was all of the talk of inevitability. Maybe it was the MSM's refusal to believe that Obama was a viable candidate. Maybe my friends aren't as well-informed as I thought?

I think we missed it because of the tears in New Hampshire. Or maybe we just forgot. I knew Obama raised more than Hillary in January, but when I look back now, I was just as surprised today as I was then. Obama raised $35 million in January, and Clinton raised $13.5 million. That's less than half.

Even so, if Clinton outraised Obama in 2007, then her cash crunch shouldn't have come until the end of January (or the middle of January at the worst). According to Time,

Clinton spent lavishly on what turned out to be a debacle in Iowa.

According to the New York Times:

Nearly $100,000 went for party platters and groceries before the Iowa caucuses, even though the partying mood evaporated quickly. Rooms at the Bellagio luxury hotel in Las Vegas consumed more than $25,000; the Four Seasons, another $5,000. And top consultants collected about $5 million in January, a month of crucial expenses and tough fund-raising.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s latest campaign finance report, published Wednesday night, appeared even to her most stalwart supporters and donors to be a road map of her political and management failings. Several of them, echoing political analysts, expressed concerns that Mrs. Clinton’s spending priorities amounted to costly errors in judgment that have hamstrung her competitiveness against Senator Barack Obama of Illinois.

Finally, just days before Super Tuesday, the financial crisis forced the Clintons to loan Hillary's campaign $5 million. After raising $100 million in 2007 (a record amount), this was earth-shattering. Where did all of this money go? (see above reports of lavish spending) This was such a big deal that they kept it under wraps until after Super Tuesday.

Of course, Obama answered Hillary's $5 million loan by raising $7 million in 48 hours online from ordinary joes. Nearly everyone took note that Bill Clinton had recently said this:

You couldn’t stop me from spending all the money I’ve saved over the last five years on Hillary’s campaign if I wanted to, even though it would clearly violate the spirit of campaign finance reform.

Of course, I can't let that go without pointing out that considering the Clintons made $109 million in the seven years after leaving the white house, I'd say $5 million to get back into the white house is a good investment!

Of course, given the amount of money the Clintons have, I find it unsettling that she elected to let her staffers go without pay rather than loaning the campaign more money so that she could pay them. While some of the consultants are paid very highly, most campaign staffers are paid peanuts and really need their paychecks. I guess Clinton is committed, but not that committed.

More on Consultants (the Professional Election Losers):

According to an article at Salon.com:

Clinton paid Penn a total of $8.9 million for direct mail, according to CQ MoneyLine. She paid Penn for polling, at $2.8 million. She even paid Penn $160,000 for consulting about polling, which presumably involved his telling her what an excellent pollster she'd hired. By Feb. 29, she also owed Penn's firm another $2.5 million for "consulting/polling," federal records show. March expenditures won't be revealed for another few weeks -- but through February, Clinton spent nearly 9 percent of the $138 million she's burned through in the race on Penn's firm alone.

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Besides Penn, there's Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson. He appears to have set up a consulting firm for the sole purpose of working for Clinton, called Gotham Acme, which has taken in more than $700,000 since the race started. No other client has paid the firm a cent since 2003.

Compare those whopping millions paid by Clinton's campaign to Penn to Obama's campaign, which paid only $1.2 million to its top consultant (Axelrod), $120k/year for Plouffe, and $635,000 to Obama's chief pollster Benenson.

Then, the Credit Card Charges:

Kathy Callahan, a Clinton finance advisor resigned after her debit card was charged for amounts not authorized. Callahan said that the unauthorized charged caused her to go over the legal limit for donations, and caused her to have $400 in overdraft fees. She had so much trouble getting the campaign to refund the unauthorized charges that she ended up filing a police report and resigning from the campaign. She also says that others are having similar problems.

In fact, these types of credit card mishaps have been a problem for the Clinton campaign since early last year:

Mrs. Clinton’s big numbers might require an asterisk.

Her campaign has since had to subtract hundreds of thousands of dollars from its first-quarter total because of a variety of problems, including donors whose credit cards were mistakenly charged twice, contributions exceeding the legal limit and checks that bounced.

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Elmar Vomfell, who owns a small business in Kentucky, after he agreed to make a $4,600 contribution, the legal maximum. When he checked later, he found that $9,200 had been charged to his card on March 31. The Clinton campaign issued him a $4,600 refund a month later — after both contributions had been counted in the first-quarter total.

Even one of our own Kossaks was affected by these problems. EmperorHadrian had trouble getting the Clinton campaign to cancel a recurring charge after repeated requests.

In fact, there are quite a few of these stories. Enough to add up. Hillary Clinton's campaign has refunded three times as many donations as Barack Obama's campaign has refunded. To the tune of $2.8 million.

Time to Pay the Bills

First the stories of unpaid bills trickled out. A small cleaning company in Iowa complained to the media that the Clinton campaign wasn't paying them and had stopped taking their calls. A New Hampshire landlord had to resort to contacting the media to get paid (he was so mad at the Clinton campaign about the way he was treated that he donated the check to Obama when he finally got paid). Hotel Ottumwa also contacted the media and finally got paid after it hit the news:

Mr. Semetis, the deli owner, said he was a longtime Republican who was supportive of Mrs. Clinton, because he believed Mr. Obama was too inexperienced and Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, would be too much like President Bush.

Mr. Semetis’s business closed for several weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, forcing him to downsize, and Mr. Semetis said he was still trying to regain his footing. "This is not politically motivated, believe me," he said. "This is financially motivated."

This DailyKos diary has links to some other stories as well. leevank wrote two diaries (here and here) about who some of these bills are owed to and how long some of them went unpaid.

Some vendors who are owed money by the Clinton campaign have grown so frustrated that they've begun warning other vendors:

A pair of Ohio companies owed more than $25,000 by Clinton for staging events for her campaign are warning others in the tight-knit event production community — and anyone else who will listen — to get their cash upfront when doing business with her. Her campaign, say representatives of the two companies, has stopped returning phone calls and e-mails seeking payment of outstanding invoices. One even got no response from a certified letter.

A New York caterer went even further and took the Clinton campaign to small claims court over the bill they owed him.

The Clinton campaign has amassed a mountainous debt of $8.7 million (not including the $5 million owed to herself), compared to only $650k in current bills owed by the Obama campaign. Clinton owes about $3.7 million to her top three consultants, but most of thse bills are owed to small businesses, and many of these bills go back to December. Even the health insurance for the staffers went unpaid for 90 days, but the Clinton campaign says the coverage never lapsed. (I wonder if it occurred to the Clintons that her campaign isn't paying the bills for healthcare while she's campaigning for a mandate on individuals to pay health insurance.)

Funds Available for Primary vs. General Election?

I've seen some various figures thrown around regarding this, and several of the numbers don't match up. JedReport seems to have the best handle on this topic:

Clinton ended February with about $33 million cash on hand. About $21 million of that was restricted for the general.

There have been rumors floating, which seem to have been posted on every blog from here to the blue yonder, that Clinton may have only raised $7 million last month that can be used for the primary election. Again, JedReport clears this up for us. He points out that people who are coming to this conclusion are looking at the wrong number and should be looking at February's contribution total:

In February, Clinton raised about $35 million. About $34 million of that was designated for primary usage -- just $1.2 was restricted for the general.

Also, according to Talking Points Memo, Wolfson says that nearly the entire $20 million raised in March was for the primary, which does seem to coincide with the fundraising figures for February.

However, Andrew Romano at Newsweek points out:

if Clinton spent at anything like February's rate--$1 million a day--she'd be living hand-to-mouth," and that even slower spending makes it "hard to imagine that she's doing much better than breaking even" once outstanding debts (between $8 and $14 million) are factored in

CONCLUSIONS?

If you read this far, you're probably wondering what conclusions I've drawn from all of this. I'd rather let you be the judge, but I will share with you the reason that I decided to delve into this topic.

My husband and I are small business owners. We know what it's like to invest everything you own to try to create the American dream. For many small business owners, one client not paying their bill can mean the difference between putting food on the table or going hungry, paying for health care or having your policy lapse, keeping your home or watching the bank auction it off, keeping your car or watching the repo man drive it away.

I am outraged that Clinton is financing her campaign on the backs of little people who never dreamed she wouldn't pay them. Small business owners who don't have $109 million in the bank. Voters who thought she was speaking for them.

I'll leave you with one final point from a column at Salon.com:

The [fundraising] stories have been repeated so often that they seem apocryphal, even though campaign aides swear they're true: students skipping meals to send money to him, seniors doing the same with expensive medicine to send cash to her.

But what are they getting for their money? Do the seniors who aren't taking medication really think Wolfson's daily conference calls with the press are worth the $8,000 a week he made while Clinton lost primary after primary in February? Did Penn's direct mail really give Clinton an edge worth $8.9 million in the race against Obama? Don't candidates who are suddenly raising most of their money from people who can barely afford to send it in have some responsibility not to waste it once they get it?

What is Hillary Clinton sacrificing next to these ordinary people who do without in order to donate? Is she standing beside these donors, or on top of them? Maybe that's too harsh... I don't know. The unpaid bills to small businesses still rile me the most.

You be the judge. What conclusions do you draw? If Hillary Clinton paid all of the people she owes, would she still be financially viable? Should this person manage our national budget and our economy?

Now I'm going to grab a beer and contemplate the sky opening a nice blue sky, the light coming down sunshine, celestrial choirs singing iTunes, and everyone we know (including Hillary Clinton) doing the right thing, and the world will be perfect a better place.

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    •  Excellent Diary! (2+ / 0-)

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      dawnt, Septima

      Nicely researched. You really pulled all or most of the aspects of a complex subject into one piece and then put all those aspects into perspective. I'm hotlisting it for future reference.

      One correction:

      There have been rumors floating, which seem to have been posted on every blog from here to the blue yonder, that Clinton may have only raised $7 million last month that can be used for the general election.

      I think that the last 2 words should be  "primary election" not "general election.

      Obama/Richardson '08 beats McCain/whoever

      by MikePhoenix on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 02:48:16 AM PDT

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      •  Good catch! (2+ / 0-)

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        John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

        by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 02:49:41 AM PDT

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      •  I disagree, This diary is a patchwork of stories (0+ / 0-)

        based on previously published articles, some reliable, some of questionable merit. Most readers will not be able to discriminate well-vetted facts from speculative conjectures. I would take this diary with a large dose of salt.

        The only source of reliable information we have are the FEC reports filed by each campaign for each month of 2007-2008. This diary hardly refers to those reports in their original, which I know is laborious to read and analyze. But without doing that research in full, most of the conclusions drawn in this diary about the current state of HRC's campaign cannot be relied upon without further verification.    

        "The blackbird whirled in the autumn winds. It was a small part of the pantomime." Wallace Stevens

        by mobiusein on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 05:55:04 AM PDT

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        •  Crimes (3+ / 0-)

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          What about the crimes that the author mentions.

          Taking money out of people's accounts unauthorized is something that is relevant especially in light of the fact that donors with automatic payments are having problems actually canceling their payments with Hillary's campaign.

          Also in terms of the FEC filings you can glean a lot from them.  Things like she has vendors from New Hampshire and Iowa that she still hasn't paid.

          That's relevant to considering the current state of her campaign too.

          "When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak." - Audre Lorde

          by baltogeek on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 06:45:45 AM PDT

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        •  Wow, I don't think so (3+ / 0-)

          The only source of reliable information we have are the FEC reports filed by each campaign for each month of 2007-2008.

          I know the MSM has some problems, but you can hardly call all of them unreliable, especially when most of what's in this diary has been reported by multiple sources.

          I think you should have stopped at "This diary is a patchwork of stories" because that's definitely true, and that's how I described it in the intro.

          I also think the DailyKos readers have enough sense to know the difference between an anecdote, which can always turn out to be false, and facts reported by the media, and I also think the average DailyKos reader can recognize the difference between commentary (i.e., what you call speculation and conjecture) and hard info. I think you aren't giving DailyKos readers enough credit. This is hardly Barney's Playhouse.

          John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

          by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:51:20 AM PDT

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        •  Sourcing (3+ / 0-)

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          Eloise, MikePhoenix, myelinate

          Your comment that "The only source of reliable information we have are the FEC reports" really upset me, and I don't want other people to read your comment and not realize that I'm using mainstream sources. So, here is a list of all the sources, as they appear in my diary entry:

          ABC News
          NY Times
          Rolling Stone
          LA Times
          Time
          Wash Post
          NY Times
          NPR
          BO Campaign
          Politico
          AFP
          MSNBC
          Salon.com
          Anecdote from Blue Jersey, complete with police report number
          DailyKos diary with anecdote (EmperorHadrian)
          NY Times
          Open Secrets
          KLAB NBC-5 TV
          Seacost (local newspaper)
          NY Times
          DailyKos diary that uses FEC data
          Politico
          Politico
          FEC
          JedReport (which cites FED data)
          TPM*
          Newsweek
          Salon.com

          As you can see, nearly everything is from a mainstream source (and let's face it, almost everything in this diary has been widely reported and acknowledged as true).

          John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

          by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:12:15 AM PDT

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          •  Please don't misunderstand me (0+ / 0-)

            I did not imply most your sources were unreliable. I said no such thing. What you failed to point out that some of your sources were of questionable merit, even though they were found in the MSM.

            For instance, there is ample confusion about what the March primary campaign fundraising numbers means, especially after the Newsweek article was published that stated that HRC raised only $7 million for the primary, which was vigorously challenged by JedReport. See an earlier Daily Kos diary on this issue and check out the comments thread:

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            What I meant to say is that in order to get the fundraising numbers right, we must rely on the original FEC reported numbers and not on someone's less than thorough interpretations of them.  

            "The blackbird whirled in the autumn winds. It was a small part of the pantomime." Wallace Stevens

            by mobiusein on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:18:09 AM PDT

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            •  I understand you just fine (3+ / 0-)

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              You don't seem to understand the FEC numbers anymore today than you did when you were posting comments in the diary that you cited.

              I can tell you based on upon my own knowledge of campaign finances and looking at the FEC reports that JedReport is correct. But would that be good enough for you either? You did say that my sources were unreliable, and then you said I should go through the FEC data. But if I posted my own analysis rather than citing sources, would I be a reliable source? Absolutely not. So, I looked at the FEC data, and I chose a source that I believe is correct.

              You should also note that the Newsweek article that you were arguing about in those comments printed a correction at the top of his article, which corroborates what JedReport reported.

              John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

              by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:50:12 AM PDT

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              •  I'm sorry to have offended you! (0+ / 0-)

                Although your diary was comprehensive, you were jumping to a lot of conclusions that may or may not be correct. It was for these reasons that I wanted the readers to take your analysis with a pinch of salt. Nothing more.

                In my exchange with JedReport I was making a good faith attempt to understand the many discrepancies one finds in various reports and analyses of fundraising figures. He had drawn certain dogmatic conclusions, and I wanted him to get to the bottom of it. He did so, but left some matters still unresolved.

                I apologize if in my criticism of your diary I sounded a bit too rude and offensive. I'm truly sorry.

                "The blackbird whirled in the autumn winds. It was a small part of the pantomime." Wallace Stevens

                by mobiusein on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:32:13 AM PDT

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                •  Wow (1+ / 0-)

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                  myelinate

                  Yes, I do think you're rude, and you're still being rude. It's good to critique, but that's not what you're doing.

                  you were jumping to a lot of conclusions that may or may not be correct

                  Maybe you could point out what "conclusions" I'm jumping to? Then we can actually have a discussion about the topic at hand.

                  [JedReport] had drawn certain dogmatic conclusions

                  Do you even understand what you're saying here? If you don't realize that that's offensive, then I'm not sure I can help you. And I have to take up for Jed on this (a person that I don't even know) because he posted numbers and rules that come straight from the FEC. It doesn't get any more clear cut that than.

                  John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

                  by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:47:03 AM PDT

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                  •  I've apologized as sincerely as possible (0+ / 0-)

                    but I shall not enter into further debate with you, since I have a feeling that it will not get us anywhere.

                    As far as JedReport is concerned, his 'dogmatic' comments were related to his being "100% correct" in some of his statements. At the end of our two threads of comments, he still could not answer the $21 million question. We have both looked at the FEC reports and figures in great detail, yet some things still cannot be explained.

                    In my opinion, JedReport is generally a well informed and responsible commentator on Daily Kos.

                    "The blackbird whirled in the autumn winds. It was a small part of the pantomime." Wallace Stevens

                    by mobiusein on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:10:28 PM PDT

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                    •  Maybe you think I won't read past comments (2+ / 0-)

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                      But I did. And he not only answered your $21 million question, but he told you if you had doubts that you should go download the FEC data yourself and look at it, which you obviously didn't do.

                      As far as you not entering into further debate, that doesn't surprise me. I also read your past comments here, where you also took your ball and went home after the person you so rudely accused of not having enough experience to argue with you wound up having more experience than you.

                      Like I said, I think it's great when people critique, and I'll update my diaries wherever I make mistakes. You'll see lots of comments from me that say things like, "Good catch!" when I make a mistake. But if you're going to critique, don't call people dogmatic, don't criticize mainstream sources, and certainly be specific about what you're criticizing so that people can make reasoned judgments regarding the critique. And don't take your ball and go home in a miff when someone takes the time to debate the topic at hand.

                      John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

                      by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:25:53 PM PDT

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                      •  I see that you wish to keep this thing going (0+ / 0-)

                        and now accuse me of taking my 'ball' and wanting to go home.

                        First, the $21 million question was not answered by JedReport - he acknowledged it and was going to look into it. Secondly, it was late at night (past 3am) and I was going to bed and did not want to go through all the FEC 3rd and 4th 2007 quarterly reports (by the way, have you looked at any of the original FEC reports till now).

                        The person who made comments on conspiracy theories was not as experienced as you think - his orbit of knowledge was limited to financial issues and not political matters. He was entitled to his views.

                        For the record, for the past three decades I have served as senior staff member of prominent non-profit organizations and today serve as a board member and officer of a major non-profit institution related to science and public policy.    

                        "The blackbird whirled in the autumn winds. It was a small part of the pantomime." Wallace Stevens

                        by mobiusein on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 01:06:25 PM PDT

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                        •  Again, you attack someone else (2+ / 0-)

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                          mobiusein, myelinate

                          When so many people are getting irritated at you, and each time you end up saying you don't want to play anymore, it becomes obvious to all parties.

                          I think you should reread all three of the comment threads in question. In all three conversations, with all three users, you don't seem to read what everyone else reads. JedReport certainly said that he had looked at the FEC numbers and that the $21 million looked right by his estimation. He clearly stated that if you didn't believe him, you should crunch the numbers yourself. You replied that you were too tired, and now you call him dogmatic. When the nonprofit guy informed you that he has the same type of experience you claim to have, you told him you don't want to debate anymore and now you come here and insinuate that he was conjuring up conspiracy theories.

                          Finally, you come to my thread and claim that the only reliable sources I have are the FEC (you won't accept MSM). You don't want my analysis of the FEC numbers, but you don't want MSM analysis of the FEC numbers either. Then you insinuate that I didn't even look at the FEC numbers (which you've flatly refused to look at yourself). And finally you attempt to make comments that I will refer to as apology on the outside (subject line), and insults on the inside (text within). You even said I was jumping to conclusions. Then, once again, you don't want to debate anymore.

                          There is a pattern here. There is a chance that all three of us have misunderstood you, but I don't think it's a very good chance.

                          John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

                          by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 05:19:07 PM PDT

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                          •  OK, let's have peace. I'll try to respond to you (0+ / 0-)

                            in greater detail.

                            Let me explain what the $21 million question is? This is the source of great confusion for a lot of people. Originally it was stated that HRC’s campaign raised $34.5 million in Feb, of which $21 million was allocated to the general election, while $11 was available for the primary, and with $8 million debt, she had only $3 million cash-in-hand:

                            http://2008central.net/...

                            We have no idea where the above figures came from. Now, if you look at the official HRC FEC report for Feb (called the "March Monthly") and click on the "Contributions by Elections":

                            http://query.nictusa.com/...

                            Here is how the funds raised were allocated for the month of Feb (as filed on 3/20/08): (a)  $12.2 million, no election supplied (which are donations less than $200 for the primary, as JedReport correctly pointed out), (b) $1.25 million for the general election and (c) $21 million for the primary.

                            Thus out of the $34.5 million raised by HRC in Feb, a total of $33.2 million appears to be available for the primary election. This was precisely what JedReport was trying to point out in his comments to the diary, which he excerpted from his own website:

                            Romano makes a simple mistake in reading the numbers that causes him to think that two-thirds of Clinton's February fundraising total came from donors who had already "maxed out" for the primary.
                            It's actually not that hard a mistake to make if you're not an FEC geek. What he did was conflate Clinton's February fundraising total with her end-of-month cash-on-hand total. Making things especially confusing, both numbers in the $30 million range. Here's her cash-on-hand number for the end of February:

                            •Clinton ended February with about $33 million cash on hand. About $21 million of that was restricted for the general.
                            Based on this Romano assumes that just one-third of Clinton's February fundraising total was money raised for the primary. But he's looking at the wrong number. He needs to look at her contribution total for February. Here's that number:
                            • In February, Clinton raised about $35 million. About $34 million of that was designated for primary usage -- just $1.2 was restricted for the general.
                            FEC reports are confusing, but I have 100% confidence in my numbers. The bottom-line is that nearly all of the money Clinton raised in February was designated for the primary, and almost all of the $20 million she raised in in March will be available for the primary.

                            In effect, JebReport was trying to point out was that the assumption made by Romano in his Newsweek article was wrong, by using the same proportion from the Feb figures to come up with his $7 million primary figure. Incidentally, you also report Romano’s figures in your diary without question, but you may not have any way of knowing what others thought of it.

                            Now, here is where the confusion arises. There is this $21 million figure, allocated in the FEC report to the primary. Yet, it is the same figure that’s been bandied about as being allocated for the general election. As the JedReport points, only $1.2 million was allocated for the general election in Feb. So there is a fundamental quandary here. When I pointed the earlier $21 million general election figures to JedReport, he stated he too had seen it and thought it was right, but now wanted to find where it came from (suggesting we scour through all the previous FEC reports to come up with the correct sum).

                            So there is where JedReport and I left off in our comment thread. I’m sorry that you came to this exchange a bit out of context. Even JedReport graciously admitted in his comment thread that I was taking the time to try understanding all this bewildering stuff. But here is JebReport’s chief motivation for his criticism of the $7 million diary (in the comment thread later on). Not arguing that HRC’s campaign is broke, he thinks we should get our figures right:

                            i understand that people make mistakes (1+ / 0-)
                            i hope you'll understand that i'm using this sharp tone because we are currently promoting a blatantly false diary on the home page of daily kos.
                            and several people are knowingly recc'ing a diary that spreads false information.
                            if we are going to hold clinton accountable for her dishonesty, we sure as hell better try to be honest ourselves.
                            it's possible to make honest mistakes, but once those mistakes are pointed out we have an obligation to do the right thing.
                            the stupidest thing about this is that it is a total distraction from the real issue which is that she is out of cash.
                            obama has raised more $60m more than her in 2008!
                            she's toast -- let's finish off her campaign, but we're not gonna' do it by attacking her on stuff that's wrong.
                            again, her campaign is broke. she's got serious money problems.

                            As for the person whom you claimed to have experience with non-profits, he was an accountant/consultant for them, including being associated with some trade associations. That is not the same as being inside such organizations at a senior level or as an officer (which I was for many years and still am), and being privy to all the political winds that swirl daily within. Information of who donates to a non-profit organization is a crucial bit of information (that was what the diary and the comment thread was all about), since a lot of industries and private sector firms set up all sorts of so-called non-profits that are nothing more than front organizations for their private financial interests.  

                            I hope, now that I have taken time to answer you more thoroughly, we can become friends. Again, I’m truly sorry how I came across in my initial response. I am not usually so prickly, but I guess I’ve spent too much time looking on FEC reports lately. If you have time, please look over my other comments and diaries. I am a different person there.

                            "The blackbird whirled in the autumn winds. It was a small part of the pantomime." Wallace Stevens

                            by mobiusein on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 06:55:29 PM PDT

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                            •  If you can't be truthful (0+ / 0-)

                              then there is no need talking to you further. That guy told you flat out that he sits on boards, and you can't sit here and pretend you didn't read that because you responded to that with "I'm not debating you anymore." And you're twisting the stuff with JedReport too. I'm done with you. You're delusional or worse.

                              John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

                              by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 07:07:26 PM PDT

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                        •  OK, DUDE . . . (1+ / 0-)

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                          we get it . . . you want someone to crunch the FEC pages for you.

                          I don't think Dawn should have to spend the time to do thesis level work on the megabytes of FEC data on a DKOS diary . . . but I am sure you don't mind doing it for her . . . seeing as you are so "concerned" about it.

                          If she quoted one questionable source I would doubt it . . . but this has been combed by multiple sources to my liking at least. I do think you have some valid points, and would love to hear what your analysis is of this data.

                        •  Maybe I haven't been entirely clear (1+ / 0-)

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                          Or maybe this was buried in my other comments, so you didn't notice. I did look at the FEC data. I looked at the FEC data for fundraising totals, for spending amounts, for debt amounts, for consultant costs, for debt owed, for primary vs general, and even for refunds given. Maybe that wasn't clear, and maybe that's the problem. I also sourced everything because I don't believe that I have the credibility on this blog to be my own source. My final word, if you don't like the figures that I posted or the sources that I cited, then either stop refusing to crunch the numbers yourself, or stop complaining that you don't believe me or my sources. Most of the numbers are all in the FEC data for you to verify. Even some of the anecdotal stories citied in the MSM can be verified by looking at the FEC data.

                          John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

                          by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 06:50:36 PM PDT

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      •  Nice Work! :) (2+ / 0-)

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    •  My son WAS a small business owner, (4+ / 0-)

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      and knowing that Hillary and Co. have shafted people that can barely make ends meet really fumes me, too. (Notice I said my son WAS a small business owner.  Wal Mart put him out of business).

      Thanks for an informative diary.

  •  And then there's this kind of funny money (15+ / 0-)

    From Clinton’s Efforts on Ethanol Overlap Her Husband’s Interests:

    ...Mrs. Clinton had sponsored legislation to provide billions in new federal incentives for ethanol, and, especially in her home state of New York, she has worked to foster a business climate that favors the sort of ethanol investments pursued by her husband’s friends and her political supporters.

    One potential beneficiary is the Yucaipa Companies, a private equity firm where Mr. Clinton has been a senior adviser and whose founder, Mr. Burkle, has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for Mrs. Clinton’s campaigns.

    Paul Krugman writes about the role of ethanol in the current food crisis:

    The subsidized conversion of crops into fuel was supposed to promote energy independence and help limit global warming. But this promise was, as Time magazine bluntly put it, a "scam."

    This is especially true of corn ethanol: even on optimistic estimates, producing a gallon of ethanol from corn uses most of the energy the gallon contains. But it turns out that even seemingly "good" biofuel policies, like Brazil’s use of ethanol from sugar cane, accelerate the pace of climate change by promoting deforestation.

    And meanwhile, land used to grow biofuel feedstock is land not available to grow food, so subsidies to biofuels are a major factor in the food crisis. You might put it this way: people are starving in Africa so that American politicians can court votes in farm states.

  •  The Clintons are out of touch (14+ / 0-)

    with the average individual. They are out of touch with reality. Their sense of entitlement lead them to believe that they really didn't have to manage their finances. Somehow that, like her victory was inevitalble.The clear differences between their campaign and Obamas should convince any undecided voters where the smart money lies.

    "Those that know, don't say, those that say, don't know"... Tao te ching... Then why am I posting a comment?

    by zenmasterjack on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 01:16:13 AM PDT

    •  I totally agree (5+ / 0-)

      We hear all of these things piecemeal, but when you add them all up... there really is such a stark contrast between the two candidates.

      John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

      by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 01:21:12 AM PDT

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      •  If HRC's campaign reflects her executive ability (3+ / 0-)

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        Then the country is in serious trouble if she's elected.  She's done a poor job of choosing key staff members, those staff members openly clash, and she has done a horrible job of managing campaign finances.

        Putting aside questions of credibility and their contrasting positions on the IWR, the obvious contrasts between the respective technical competences of the 2 campaigns is reason enough to support Obama.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 06:35:46 AM PDT

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    •  keeping Doyle on so long (4+ / 0-)

      as financial manager was her biggest mistake.  This is the gal who spent over $30mil on Hillary's senate campaign, when there wasn't even any real competition.

      Hillary's loyalty to incompetent colleagues reminds one of the present White House occupant.


      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! - President Merkin Muffley

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 06:53:18 AM PDT

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  •  The Downfall of the House of Clinton (15+ / 0-)

    I already knew all this, but it was good to read it all again together in one place.  It's like a favorite book you can't put down.  You know what's going to happen and still you're incredulous when it happens.  Chris Matthews called the Clintons a sitcom.  Book or sitcom, it's fun to laugh at, but I sure don't want it running the country.

  •  excellent diary, thank you. (6+ / 0-)

    hh

    John McCain "Beware the terrible simplifiers" Jacob Burckhardt, Historian

    by notquitedelilah on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 01:21:33 AM PDT

  •  Also, the Clinton Family Foundation was used to (6+ / 0-)

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    spread largesse.

    In the South Carolina campaign the HRC meme was complaining about how Obama was using his leadership PAC, "buying endorsements", a hypocrisy in and of herself when looking at her own PAC.

    But, in addition, on NPR it was reported that the tax deductible Foundation handed out grants in SC.  There never was any followup in mainstream media about the granting of these funds and if they had undue influence in SC.

    •  I had forgotten about that (3+ / 0-)

      She did that elsewhere too. They held onto the money in their foundation until after she declared her candidacy and then spent it strategically.

      John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

      by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 01:28:57 AM PDT

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      •  Non Profit Law Professors blog says (6+ / 0-)

        http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/...

        That there is a Feb 27 2008 WashPost article

        Windsor Foundation v. United States of America, 77-2 U.S. Tax Cas. (CCH) 9709 (E.D. Va. 1977).  According to a February 27, 2008 Washington Post article, the Clintons donated about $5 million to charity, most of it to the Clinton Family Foundation, operated from their kitchen table with Bill and  Hillary serving as the only Foundation executives.  According to that article, "the foundation has enabled the Clintons to write off more than $5 million from their taxable personal income since 2001, while dispensing only $1.25 million in charitable contributions over that period."  Some of the private foundation excise taxes are designed to prevent charitable organizations from funneling tax exempt funds, for which a charitable contribution has previously been granted, to their own use or to favorite political causes or persons.  Others are designed to prevent the use of family foundations to generate donations for charitable expenditures that will not be made for years to come.  Those laws seem hardly effective, though I would not argue for more detail -- an increased payout requirement would be appropriate, but even do-gooders have their effective lobby.  A few years ago, the Congress tried to increase the annual payout requirement by what would have amounted to a mere pittance and was shouted down.  The February 27 article notes, for example, that at least one Clinton Family Foundation grant went to a Clinton political supporter.  Yesterday's Washington Post article allows a further implication:

           

        An example:

         

        The family foundation also gave $25,000 to to support the McGovern Library and Center for Leadership and Public Service in Mitchell, S.D, in early 2007.  Later in the year the center's eponym, the former Democratic presidential nominee George S. McGovern, said he would endorse Clinton for president. " It was the furthest thought when I decided to endorse Hillary last October," McGovern said yesterday.  The Clintons also gave $5,000 to the Jon Michael Moore Trauma Center at West Virginia University, which was named for the late grandson of Hillary Clinton's Senate colleague, Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.). Byrd, a superdelegate, has not yet endorsed a candidate for president.

    •  Judicial Watch- March 2007 was warning about this (6+ / 0-)

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      http://www.judicialwatch.org/...

      (Washington, DC)  Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it filed separate complaints with the United States Senate Select Committee on Ethics and the Department of Justice concerning inaccurate financial disclosure reports filed by Hillary Rodham Clinton.  As initially uncovered by The Washington Post, Senator Clinton failed to disclose her position as Secretary/Treasurer of the Clinton Family Foundation on five occasions, despite requirements by the Ethics in Government Act.

      Judicial Watch’s Senate ethics complaint, filed on March 1, 2007, notes that Senator Clinton’s failure to comply with disclosure requirements represents "improper conduct that reflects upon the United States Senate."

      "Failure to comply with federal reporting requirements must be taken seriously by the Committee," wrote Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.  "The Committee should investigate whether Senator Clinton’s failure to disclose her family foundation is a willful violation of the rules and laws governing such disclosure."

      As Judicial Watch also notes in its March 5, 2007 complaint filed with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, the Ethics in Government Act permits the Attorney General to "bring a civil action in any appropriate United States district court against any individual who knowingly and willfully falsifies or who knowingly and willfully fails to file or report any information that such individual is required to report...The court in which such action is brought may assess against such individual a civil penalty in any amount, not to exceed $10,000."

      The Clinton Family Foundation, launched in 2001, enabled the Clintons to write off more than $5 million from their taxable personal income.  There seems to be motive for a willful violation of the law in that some of the foundation’s expenditures touch upon issues related to foreign policy and other controversial matters, including a contribution to an individual involved in Senator Clinton’s questionable commodities trading in the 1970s.

      "Senator Clinton is not above the law," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.  "The Justice Department and the Senate need to take this important disclosure law more seriously.  Moreover, Hillary Clinton has to learn to start playing by the rules.  She should be treated like any citizen (or corporation) who fails repeatedly to abide by federal reporting requirements."

      Judicial Watch details in its Justice Department complaint that several members of Congress seem to have violated the Ethics in Government Act in recent years without repercussion, including former Senator Bill Frist, Senator Harry Reid and Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

  •  Thank you for all your hard work compiling this! (7+ / 0-)

    Onward to the Mountaintop!

    by NWTerriD on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 01:23:38 AM PDT

  •  On the unpaid bills of the Clinton campaign ... (4+ / 0-)

    I did a couple of diaries that show where some of these bills are from, and just how long some of them have remained unpaid:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Thank you for bringing this up again, because I obviously agree that it's an important issue.  If she can't run a campaign competently (or hire people who can do so), how does she expect to be able to run the United States government?

    "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

    by leevank on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 01:53:52 AM PDT

    •  Thanks, I'm going to add pointers to those (0+ / 0-)

      John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

      by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 02:01:21 AM PDT

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    •  The REAL reason HRC has to keep in the race (5+ / 0-)

      Clinton owes Penn $2.5 million, and if I was the largest creditor to an adrift ship, I'd keep telling the Captain that polls never lie, she still has a chance!!

      Todays Washington Times reported by S.A. Miller

      The latest campaign-finance reports show that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign owes about $2.5 million to the firm of Mark J. Penn, who quit as chief strategist after embarrassing the campaign and left a leadership shake-up in his wake.

      The debt persisted on the campaign's ledger for February, according to reports filed for the March 20 deadline, despite payments of more than $3 million to Mr. Penn's polling firm that month, according to the most recent campaign finance reports filed with the Federal Election Commission.

      snip.....

      The money he is owed is more than a quarter of the campaign's $8.7 million in outstanding debt, according to finance reports filed last month, which show the campaign having total receipts of $174 million with $33 million cash on hand

  •  I'm just wondering now (3+ / 0-)

    when the cash crunch is going to bite. I would imagine that competing in Pennsylvania is not a cheap place to compete in and unfortunately for her, Obama is making it a contest and making her spend money she'd hoped to save for another day.

  •  If she has to refund General Election money (1+ / 0-)

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    the hole will be probably $50 million dollars deep, don't you reckon?

  •  I know she was having trouble raising money (10+ / 0-)

    last year. I was invited to attend a high end ($2,300) fundraiser for Senator Clinton in October of 2007 here in California.  I was already an Obama supporter, having met him early in 2007, but  was interested in what Hillary might have to say. Really just wondering if I could live with her if she became the candidate, since this seemed  likely at this time if you listened to the MSM.  I told my friend I was curious about attending, but had no intention of giving her that kind of financial support, and to keep me posted if something changed. She told me that did not seem likely, as the donor hosting the party had previously held $10,000 per person dinners for Bill during his campaign. It was therefore rather surprising when several days before the event, my friend called and asked what amount would I be willing to come up with to attend.  She was desperate to find warm bodies, and was having a lot of problems getting any response. I mentioned $200, hoping she would laugh, as I was not that excited but did not want to be rude.  Surprise! they wanted me! I am not sure how many other supporters out of the 75 or so who attended were 'discount attendees', but I doubt I was the only one. At the time I really was shocked that the event was not sold out, but as time has passed, I think she has had trouble every step of the way raising money. She actually did a great job at  the event, and gave long thoughtful responses to each question that was asked. I almost liked her by the time it was over. But that was before the campaign really started, and the ugly side of every part of her campaign came out. It is too bad, at that point I could have lived with her as our candidate, now I am really sorry I ever gave her any money at all.

    My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me. Benjamin Disraeli

    by pvmuse on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 02:04:46 AM PDT

  •  Hillary's campaign is (5+ / 0-)

    cruising and will no doubt score in the end!
     title=

    I don't want a bigger government, I want an effective government!

    by KingGeorgetheTurd on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 02:30:52 AM PDT

  •  not a good track record on many accounts (14+ / 0-)

    poor management of money

    excessive expensives without monitoring the services purchased

    poor selection of personnel, inappropriate for the tasks at hand - Solis Doyle and Penn are only two of the leading examples

    inability to accept bad news

    slow to react to a changing environment

    inaccurate evaluation of opponent - badly underestimating how well he will do

    poor message control - a message that has changed so many times that the video is out there to slam her in a general

    a real problem with the truth on more than one front, not even including the hospital story

    need to play the victim for sympathy votes, and this is supposed to represent strength to deal with adversaries

    and this is supposed to represent ready on day 1

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 02:32:42 AM PDT

    •  teach (1+ / 0-)

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      you always manage to get it exactly right.  

      I wonder how the chinese would deal with not getting paid?? oh wait....they'll just finish the job of buying up every asset in the country and rape us for natural resources.  (in my head it's all very sopranos)

    •  WSJ: Hill Force One was an early omen: (2+ / 0-)

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      http://blogs.wsj.com/...

      Mechanical Problems Plague ‘Hill Force One’

      Amy Chozick reports on the presidential race from Columbia, S.C.

      President Bill Clinton was famous for showing up fashionably late to campaign events and news conferences. But lately, it’s his wife who is consistently behind schedule. The reason: Hill Force One.

      The chartered 737 made its maiden voyage last week when Hillary Clinton took over the intercom system and feigned her best flight attendant voice to welcome reporters. "Welcome to Hill Force One. My name is Hillary and I am so pleased to have most of you on board," she said, sparking laughter from the passengers.
      [Hillary Clinton]
      Clinton

      But fun and games on the aircraft quickly wore off this week when mechanical problems started to crop up at almost every campaign stop.

      On Monday, Clinton had planned to come here for a march honoring Martin Luther King Jr. Rivals Barack Obama and John Edwards attended, but Clinton says she didn’t make it due to problems on the plane that put her an hour behind schedule.

      The following night, the valves on the central fuel tank malfunctioned, which caused a delay of over an hour after an event in Phoenix, Ariz. The plane didn’t take off for Washington, D.C., until after 2 a.m.

      On Wednesday the aircraft had trouble with its tires. When a mechanic came to fix them, he realized he had the wrong wrench, causing an even longer delay on the short jump from Washington to Philadelphia where Clinton traveled to pick up an endorsement from Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell.

      This morning, Clinton showed up 45 minutes late to give a speech about the economy in Greenville, S.C. "I am so sorry to be late," she told the crowd before announcing her new stimulus plan. "Some of it was us off to a late start, but there were other things we had to deal with, and some of it was delays in air travel, but I appreciate your patience and your willingness to be here."

      The campaign says it doesn’t know whether Hill Force One will be replaced with a more reliable aircraft. Last
      week, the Obama campaign decided to use smaller planes, which tend to have fewer problems

  •  excellent diary! Dawnt (4+ / 0-)

    and some great contributions from readers, too.

    Wow, this is pretty scary . . . can you imagine if she had won on super Tuesday . . . none of this would have come out. Painful as its been, its been a worthwhile effort from all that we have learned.

    You also have to wonder about stuff like the tentacles Penn has brings into direct proximity with two U.S. Presidential candidates. Yup, count 'em, two, yes two, yes two Presidential candidates in one Penn, with the full resources of his international rat fluffing (thanks for the term whoever posted yesterday). Remember, his firm is also on the bus with John Mackin' Cane (snark).

    It sure makes you wonder what would have happened if she had grabbed the golden ring on super Tuesday . . . Columbia trade agreement (for the "good of the country"?) God I hope Pennsylvania is paying attention.  Those union folks would have gotten screwed again, and thanks to Obama they're getting a chance to see before she's the nominee.  Rendell has got to be wondering about his career if the rank and file put the pieces together.

    Maybe that's why Bill's been so red in the face and pointy fingered this 2008.  

  •  What I'd like to see (2+ / 0-)

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    is a comparison, side-by-side, of Clinton and Obama's latest campaign "balance sheet" (or however you named them in the campaign world) and the expense account to see how much each campaign spend on a particular item.

    Anyone in Dailykos to spend time making such a diary?

    •  Difficult to do (1+ / 0-)

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      They categorize expenses differently. Even in several of the articles I read, reporters mentioned how difficult it is to compare them side by side because they categorize expenses differently. The best I was able to do was to compare what they spend on their top consultants, which is a pretty stark contrast.

      John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

      by dawnt on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:42:25 AM PDT

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  •  Nicely researched diary, thanks (4+ / 0-)

    I'm less bothered by the Clintons making lots of money post-WH from speaking and books--that's fairly standard, if unfortunate, in American politics--but I am very concerned about evidence of poor management in several categories:
    *money
    *expenditures--a good campaign is careful about money out, as well as money in
    *personnel
    *long-term planning

    In some ways, the poor long-term planning is the worst part: overconfidence, short-term mindset, apparent lack of consideration of consequences.

    Where have we heard that before, and recently? The term "quagmire" comes to mind.

    It's too bad. I had really wanted to vote for a woman for president, but I think it's not going to be this time.

    The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

    by Mnemosyne on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 04:34:37 AM PDT

  •  Good work, Dawn! (4+ / 0-)

    The Experience question: what financial and leadership experience does Obama have?

    I dunno, maybe creating a ~$200M organization from scratch in 24 months that runs like a well-oiled machine...

    I was talking to a cabbie about this yesterday at great great length (much to his chagrin).  There is more going on here than some 'Internet thing', this is the model of all we who know Silicon Valley well have lived and breathed for years.

    1/  Start with a solid idea
    2/  impose an appropriate structure on it
    3/  provide for the flexibility and adaptability neessary to accomodate rapid massive growth
    4/  run it with constant review of results and feedback into the process and product and forward forecasting

    This is a non-trivial exercise, as any high-tech entreprenure will tell you (successful or not).  but the methods are solid and will produce Real World results if you have the right team and the right sauce.

    Obama has built a first-class "business" with:

    1/  a solid idea
    2/  enough structure to control and manage growth
    3/  enough flexibility to adapt and accomodate gowth
    4/  and enough reflexive insight and accurate forward forecasting to take it from Garage through Office to IPO and on to Market Dominance.

    This is a rare and valuable gift.

    Obama is qualified to run any company I've ever been part of from ground-zero startup through Cisco (who make the Internet, as much as anyone does).

    -great stuff Dawn!

    -chris blask

    "A ship in port is safe, but that is not what ships are for. Sail out to sea and do new things." - Admiral Grace Hopper, Computer Pioneer

    by chrisblask on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 05:31:59 AM PDT

  •  Jesus poor David Plouffe should get a raise (2+ / 0-)

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    compared to what Axelrod & the chief pollster are making, he's getting ripped off. how do i donate directly to his paycheck?

    "No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country." - Alexis de Tocqueville

    by moja31 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:46:09 AM PDT

  •  Clinton's finances (1+ / 0-)

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    Great work! Lots of information. I particularly liked the conclusion. I am not a small business owner, so it was good to find out how small non-payments can make a big difference to small business owners.

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