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Obama, Wright and Building a Progressive Majority

Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:00:59 PM PDT

Even though I am a stalwart Obama supporter, I believe that the Reverend Wright issue does in fact represent a fundamental threat to his campaign. Yes, it's a "distraction" from the "issues," but let's be real here folks; the American people do not elect Presidents based on issues. If that were the case we would have had nothing but Democratic Presidents from FDR until the present. They vote based on personality, or to put it in a better light -- leadership, character and integrity.

If we remind ourselves of the Rovian school of politics, you take your opponents greatest strengths, and by hook or by crook, you turn them into weaknesses. Thus, the textbook example would be the "Swift-boating" of John Kerry, who I think we can all agree won the Democratic nomination because of his record of military service and was then turned into a traitor.

If we can summarize Obama's greatest strengths, it has to be his unique ability to bring people together across racial, political and other divides, his "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" sort of image as a non-politician politician who has not yet sold his soul to the ways of politics, and his judgment. Reverend Wright is a living, breathing fundamental threat to all of those claims . . .

We are, of course, well acquainted with the first aspect of Reverend Wright's challenge to Obama's candidacy  -- his status as a racial conciliator. Obama responded with his "race" speech, which seemed to quell things. For myself, I must admit that I thought that speech was his first major mistake of the campaign in that he racialized the issue with Wright, i.e. made it into an issue between white America and black America, whereas it should've just been an issue with a cranky old preacher who sometimes says things that make no sense and our way outside the bounds of acceptable political discourse, something that many religious leaders, white and black, tend to do. Here the things that Obama said instead that I find problemmatic:

Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

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The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we've never really worked through - a part of our union that we have yet to perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American.

Understanding this reality requires a reminder of how we arrived at this point. As William Faulkner once wrote, "The past isn't dead and buried. In fact, it isn't even past." We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country. But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.

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This is the reality in which Reverend Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted.

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For the men and women of Reverend Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician's own failings.

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

Not to overly simplify matters, but Barack essentially said that we should give Reverend Wright a pass on the statements in question because of his race. For a minute it seemed to work, and everyone congratulated Obama on having made an amazingly adult and poignant speech about our nation's "original sin" -- the problem of race that has never been adequately addressed, and it was true. It was an amazing speech on race, probably the best given by a major public figure since the 1960's. The only problem was that it did not address the issue at hand: Jeremiah Wright's statements were outside the bounds of acceptable political discourse in America, no matter the race of who said them.

I don't know the inside story of course, but based on the succeeding events, I gather that Reverend Wright did not take kindly to Obama's characterization of him as some old, out of touch black man still caught up in the resentments of the past, while at the same time white working class voters in Pennsylvania didn't buy that Reverend Wright's comments were nothing more than a good starting point for a long-neglected national conversation about race.

Now, believe me, I do not blame Barack for his approach. The truth of the matter is that there is a lot of truth in Reverend Wright's words, both as a matter of factual history, and in so far as he is expressing the frustration and bitterness that is part of the black experience in America. But unfortunately, that has nothing to do with politics, particularly politics of the variety in which Barack is currently engaged. Barack is looking to build a new progressive majority of Americans of all kinds that can bring about fundamental changes in our government. Reverend Wright's rhetoric does not help in that cause, because that is not the cause to which Reverend Wright owes his allegiance.

Which brings us to the second and potentially even more damaging aspect of Reverend Wright's threat when he told the National Press Club that Barack's disassociation with him was just based on politics:

Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls, Huffington, whoever's doing the polls. Preachers say what they say because they're pastors. They have a different person to whom they're accountable.

Not only was Reverend Wright casting doubt on Obama's identity as a racial conciliator, but he was now basically calling him a typical lying politician to boot. The mythic quality of this situation is almost too much to believe. It's a very old story, the mentor father figure who becomes jealous as his mentee far exceeds him in fame and power and undercuts him at his most vulnerable moment. It finally became clear to Barack that Jeremiah Wright may be a part of this country, but his rhetoric and his views were plainly antithetical to everything that Obama was seeking to accomplish:

His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church.

They certainly don’t portray accurately my values and beliefs. And if Reverend Wright thinks that that’s political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn’t know me very well. And based on his remarks yesterday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought either.

Now, I’ve already denounced the comments that had appeared in these previous sermons. As I said, I had not heard them before. And I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia, explaining that he has done enormous good in the church. He has built a wonderful congregation. The people of Trinity are wonderful people, and what attracted me has always been their ministries reach beyond the church walls.

But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS, when he suggests that Minister Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st centuries, when he equates the United States wartime efforts with terrorism, then there are no excuses.

They offend me. The rightly offend all Americans. And they should be denounced. And that’s what I’m doing very clearly and unequivocally here today.

I consider this a potentially seminal moment in the history of the progressive movement in America. The trap that Barack fell into with Reverend Wright is a trap that has ensnared many of us. Where do we draw the line between speaking out about the injustices and wrongs of our nation and our government and engaging in divisive, unproductive and unnecessarily inflammatory rhetoric that gets us no closer to our goals? Even more complex is how do we draw those lines in a way that works for people on all sides of our racial divides?

The fundamental lesson that I think Barack and the rest of us should take from this episode is that the answer to the question of whether Jeremiah Wright gets a pass on his rhetoric of anger and frustration because he's black is a resounding, "No!" If we are going to build a true progressive majority for social change in America, there has to be established boundaries of discourse, and those boundaries have to apply to everyone, regardless of race, religion, class, etc. Now reasonable minds can of course disagree about what those boundaries are, and that's completely fine. But the larger point is that the transgressions of those boundaries cannot be excused by reference to the racial background of the speaker in question.

Of course there's always free speech and freedom of religion, etc. People are free to say whatever they want, but not if they want to be a part of the movement to build a progressive majority for change. And if you don't want to be a part of that, then please don't pretend to be. You are marginal (by your own choice) to this political cause. If you can gather enough people behind your version of the world, more power to you.

What does this mean for Barack going forward? In the end, this will come down to the third aspect of Jeremiah Wright's threat to Obama's candidacy: the question of judgment, i.e. why did he join this church and stay there for twenty years? Personally, I don't blame Barack for falling into this trap, which was set long before he came upon the scene. He met Jeremiah Wright when he was 27 years old, and living for the first time in his life in a black community. For a young politically-motivated, religious skeptic like Barack, Jeremiah Wright's brand of socially and politically conscious faith understandably must've have been a powerful attraction. As the years went by after that, I'm sure Barack may have had increasing second thoughts about his choice of religious institution, but how do you just leave the church where you were baptised, married, and where your kids were baptised because of something your pastor said?

Hopefully, however, Barack's final rejection of and disassociation from Jeremiah Wright will prove to be his "Sista Souljah" moment, the point in time when he conclusively demonstrated to America that he will be a President for all of Americans, not just black people. I think many Americans are well aware that we have far more to gain by helping Barack build a progressive majority for change than by reverting to the kind of unproductive rhetoric that Reverend Wright seems intent on bringing us back to. Barack has only to lead the way and we will follow. Barack has been making lemonade out of lemons throughout this whole campaign, and this is certainly the ultimate lemon. I, for one, am very thirsty.

Cross-Posted at The Pragmatic Progressive Democrat

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  •  Tips for a progressive majority (4+ / 0-)

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  •  This is an issue if you make it an issue (2+ / 0-)

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    mattman, soms

    This Wright situation will propel and exist as long as we let it persist. Just as much as the media may be to blame for the sensationalism of this story, we are to blame for perpetuating its legitimacy.  Since we cannot strand Reverend Wright in a far distant island underneath Peru, and even if we could, Fox news would still find him, we have the responsibility of demanding more substantive issues to debate. Obama has responded, we only add to the fire when we continue to debate his actions or inactions and use that as a cover for our own insecurities.  We need to deal with the fact that Obama has some misgivings, some judgment error and concentrate on the bigger picture.

    "There isn't a red America and a blue America, this is the UNITED states of America"

    by rainyskip on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:09:16 PM PDT

  •  and you are right (1+ / 0-)

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    mattman

    NOT THIS TIME

    "There isn't a red America and a blue America, this is the UNITED states of America"

    by rainyskip on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:09:42 PM PDT

  •  We can demand substantive issues all we like (0+ / 0-)

    but we aren't going to get them from the corporatist media.

    To me we are to blame for not resisting the frame hung on Wright in the first place.  

    We are going to have to learn to stand up and fight whenever they attack one of ours (this is what the right does, they stand by their own no matter what they say).  Jeremiah Wright was one of ours.  Maybe a lot of progressives don't get this, but without the overwhelming support of the black community we wouldn't win anything.  When a leader of this community gets swiftboated (for a sermon opposing the war in Iraq), it's not OK for us to sit back and watch, wringing our hands with concern about how our candidate will deal with it.  We were needed to deal with it and we didn't do anything.

    Trying to pretend he's marginal or wishing he'd magically vanish aren't reality based ideas.  

    We need to grow up and understand that people who abandon their allies when they're being attacked aren't very good people.  People who are glad when one of their allies gets humiliated and destroyed aren't very good people either.  People who feel righteous about themselves after a good man has been destroyed are fools.

    It's no surprise we lose so many elections.

    •  Reverend Wright made it very plain (0+ / 0-)

      that he doesn't care about whether or not Obama gets to be President, that he's perfectly willing to say things that he knows will hurt the cause. How does that make him one "us"?

      •  Not after we let him twist in the wind for (0+ / 0-)

        a month.  After that he decided we weren't worth much and at the Q&A he gave us all a well deserved "Fuck You".

        He stayed out of the media for a month while he was vilified by the right wing press.  We had our chance to stand up for him.  We didn't.  We wished he'd go away instead.  I think that was both cowardly and stupid.

        •  Maybe so (0+ / 0-)

        •  Any sympathy I held for Wright is all but gone (0+ / 0-)

          Look, he as a pastor knows full well a common purpose and higher goal of knowledge and truth.  Instead of turning the other cheek and understanding that only God can judge oneself, he took it upon himself to become the judger.Any doubt that he could look beyond his own personal issues and see a bigger picture was answered this weekend.  He was fine on Moyers, he was fine and humorous at the NAACP event, however Monday, he crossed a line by questioning the very person he supposedly fights for.  His own self interests became his priority when he claimed that this was an attack on the Black churches.  His own comments and tone brought this attack front and center and repeating them again, knowing full well how they would be misinterpreted or interpreted in the press was careless at best.

          "There isn't a red America and a blue America, this is the UNITED states of America"

          by rainyskip on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:46:50 PM PDT

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          •  He showed who he was on Moyers (0+ / 0-)

            but none of the leadership of our party got in the media's face and said: "Look, this is a great man, respect him."  He gave them another day, he was a little sharper at the NAACP.  But still no one stood up.  So he said: "Y'know, I've survived 8 years of Ronald Reagan, I've survived 4 years of one Bush and 8 years of another Bush.  No matter who ends up winning I'll survive that too."

            Our party doesn't seem to think it's important to honor someone who has dedicated his life to the causes we espouse.  In turn he decided it wasn't important to honor our party.  Fair enough.

            I wish none of this had happened, but it did and we contributed to it with our indifference and our cowardice.

      •  Because (1+ / 0-)

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        He is one of "us" because he is human.  No matter his accomplishments, no matter the good he has done for the community, he is still capable of having an ego and using that ego to further his own cause, no matter how much it hurts our candidate.

        We now have the option of promoting his cause through willful acceptance that this hurts our candidate, or through willpower and fight the effect by promoting Obama's cause.

        "There isn't a red America and a blue America, this is the UNITED states of America"

        by rainyskip on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:40:56 PM PDT

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        •  It's too late now. (0+ / 0-)

          That ship sailed and we missed it.  We let the media swiftboat a man who has given his life to the causes of justice, equality, and peace because he gave a sermon against the war in Iraq.  We sat and watched as the media lynched him and then we bitch about his ego when he doesn't care about us.  

          •  Are you kidding me? (0+ / 0-)

            If this pastor cannot take responsibility for his own carelessness, then that is his own issue.  If you read any of the reports or watched just an inkling of news, then surely you must have heard the reports that even during Obama's book signing and selling, Wright had taken personal issue with Obama's fame and felt outshadowed by him.

            And this all still isn't relevant.  He is a Pastor, a man of religion and theology.  How can he preach forgiveness if he acts on in retribution?

            "There isn't a red America and a blue America, this is the UNITED states of America"

            by rainyskip on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:56:45 PM PDT

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            •  It wasn't careless (1+ / 0-)

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              Futuristic Dreamer

              He was bitch slapping us, for letting him get lynched in the press while we stood there watching.

              We aren't above criticism.  When we think we are we deserve whatever we get.  That's a two way street.

              •  Your passions are appreciated (0+ / 0-)

                I appreciate your passion regarding this, but I don't know how many times I have to read "lynched" in your posts before I wonder if your those very passions are getting in the way of reason.

                He may have bitch slapped us as a public, he may have bitch slapped the media but I guess by your reasoning, the fact that he also bitch slapped the Obama campaign is a respectable thing. If that's the case, then have it your way.  In his attempt to bitch slap all of us, he ended up bitch slapping those who believe in the man who may be the first African American president.

                So by your reasoning, he should be proud.

                "There isn't a red America and a blue America, this is the UNITED states of America"

                by rainyskip on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:15:58 PM PDT

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                •  I'd doubt he's very proud of it (2+ / 0-)

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                  Timmethy, Futuristic Dreamer

                  I don't think he did the right thing really.  But I don't think we collectively did the right thing either.  It really bothers me reading all the vilification around here (and there was plenty of it before the press club) of a man who's most likely done a lot more for the causes we embrace than any of us ever will.  I wish we'd get over our selfrighteousness for a few moments and think about what happened.  With our complicity the corporate media (our real enemy) destroyed a very good (maybe even great) man, a part of our family.  

                  When we here on kos think it's OK to villify a man who was swiftboated for preaching peace, something is really fucked up.

                  It seems to me that this is exactly the kind of thing Barack is running to put an end to.  I feel like anyone who thinks it's OK to destroy a man like Wright is completely missing Barack's point.

                  Barack did what he had to do.  So to, I think, did Jeremiah Wright (holding us to a higher standard of behavior than we have held ourselves).  I'm sure this has hurt them both very deeply.  And I think if we'd been more courageous from the start we could have spared them that.

                  •  They want a scapegoat for losing in PA and Wright (0+ / 0-)

                    is it.  Pathetic and sick on so many levels, but we humans are.

                    "I know of two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe."
                    ~Albert Einstein

                    So, we prove him right yet again.

                    "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." ~Mahatma Gandhi

                    by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:49:58 PM PDT

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                  •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

                    I was one of Wright's defenders before his "tour". What I honestly could never have predicted was that he would become a loose cannon, working at cross-purposes to Obama's campaign. That's the fundamental aspect of what Reverend Wright means in the larger sphere at this moment in time. He is unwilling to subordinate his own ego, needs, desires, whatever for the larger purpose of getting Barack Obama elected President. By his own definition and actions, then, he is not "a part of our family".

                    That's what I'm trying to get at when I say that there has to be some kind of mutually agreed-upon boundaries defining what is acceptable within the movement to create a progressive majority, of which I believe Obama to be the standard-bearer at present. If you are outside of it, it doesn't mean that you're a bad person, or should crucified. It just means that we are all clear about who is on what team, and you are not on ours.

                •  PS (0+ / 0-)

                  I think we betrayed them both and the upshot of that was that had to betray each other.

                  •  No, we didn't, no one expects better of us (0+ / 0-)

                    Obama knew what he was getting himself into when he ran.  It's not our fault humans are stupid assholes.

                    "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." ~Mahatma Gandhi

                    by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:52:49 PM PDT

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      •  Just because he won't lie for Obama doesn't mean (1+ / 0-)

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        he's not "one of us", and asking him to tow the political line would be asking him to lie.

        "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." ~Mahatma Gandhi

        by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:17:34 PM PDT

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  •  Grains of Salt (2+ / 0-)

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    pragprogress, Rick in Oz

    When I was canvassing today, that was my response to those who had reservations vis a vis Wright.  Who doesn't have a friend or family member who may be a great person in innumerable ways, but occaisionally spouts something off color, or believes some wacky conspiracy theory.  What do most people do? They look at the good and decide to take the rest with a grain of salt.  

     You can easily imagine a young Obama, after seeing the good Wright was doing in the community, after talking to him about Christianity, seeing Wright work up a lather for the first time, probably a little uncomfortable, only to be reassured by his fellow congregants, "Well, the Rev gets a little wild sometimes, but he's got a good heart.  Thats just the rev being the rev, you have to take it with a grain of salt. "  I would have accepted that, especially if I was feeling really good about the church community as a whole.  I think most people would have.

  •  Then again ... (0+ / 0-)

    While it might have been prudent for Senator Obama to distance himself from Rev. Wright (who himself by the way about a year ago predicted a rift between them), 'progressives' might want to stop and think more seriously about the good reverend words (and warnings).

  •  There is One Candidate in this Race who has (0+ / 0-)

    a chance in hell of beating Rove at his own game, and it's not Obama.  You don't beat Rove at his own game by being honest, decent, having morals, etc.

    What's funny is that I was a Hillary supporter over this before it happened.  You can't be honest in politics in the US and win, at least that's the conventional wisdom; just don't get caught lying.  It has been my philosophy for a long time that "the biggest lie a politician can ever tell is that they're telling the truth."

    What's funny is everything wrong with his candidacy, inexperience, not polished enough, too liberal, etc, all play into this.  None of this has anything to do with Obama, or anything Wright said (did you even listen to what he actually said, btw?) but with whether the American people can deal with an honest candidate, a human candidate.  Wright's opinions really aren't that off the wall.

    Hillary may be a slime ball, but when looking for the leader of a slime bucket, perhaps that's what we need.

    "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." ~Mahatma Gandhi

    by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:43:05 PM PDT

    •  I disagree (1+ / 0-)

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      If you are willing to settle on living in a county lead by a slimeball, that is your choice.  Some of us still believe that those who want to play and fight in the mud can darn well stay in the mud...and pray tell me, do you honestly think that Rove doesn't have a mansion full of controversies to bring towards Clinton.  The one thing I have to say about Obama, his temper is very even.  

      As for Mrs. "Shame on You", not so much.

      "There isn't a red America and a blue America, this is the UNITED states of America"

      by rainyskip on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:50:38 PM PDT

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      •  I already live in a country run by a Slimeball (0+ / 0-)

        Where are you?  Europe?

        I'd settle for a slimeball who doesn't hate humanity like this one does, and who generally promotes policies I agree with, as opposed to one who is a fervent follower of the "if it's wrong I support it" philosophy the current slimeball has.

        "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." ~Mahatma Gandhi

        by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:59:08 PM PDT

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        •  If you continuously vote for a slime ball (0+ / 0-)

          and expect to still live in a country run by slimeballs, good for you.

          "as opposed to one who is a fervent follower of the "if it's wrong I support it" philosophy the current slimeball has"

          I guess it makes sense that the slime ball you like and promote voted for this current slimeball's war.

          You my dear are sounding like a slime ball ~snark~

          "There isn't a red America and a blue America, this is the UNITED states of America"

          by rainyskip on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:18:14 PM PDT

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          •  Fuck the US (0+ / 0-)

            This country will always be run by slimeballs.  The current controversy is proof of that.

            Since being a slimeball is what it takes to get elected here, I don't know if I should take that as a compliment or an insult.

            "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." ~Mahatma Gandhi

            by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:25:05 PM PDT

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            •  Sorry for that, (0+ / 0-)

              but if people don't what to be pragmatic, that's how I feel about it.

              There is nothing moral about letting Republicans win while running a "moral" campaign. The primary ain't war, but the real thing is.  Fuck playing nice, they aren't, and the consequences of letting them win are too high.

              "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." ~Mahatma Gandhi

              by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:31:04 PM PDT

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    •  About Wright's comments (1+ / 0-)

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      Not only are they not "off the wall", as you say, but they are not new either. 1852! Which means that the choice that voters have in this election is to stay with the status quo or, besides changing Washington, to forever free this country's soul that is still shackled and stuck in a time warp where reign violence and despair.

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