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For Obama There's Only One Answer

Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:57:09 AM PDT

Clinton is portraying Obama as an out-of-touch, effete, liberal elitist who can't relate to (white) working class and voters. If and when Obama wins the nomination, McCain will do the same.

Obama's problem in real. In every state but Wisconsin, even Illinois, he's failed to win the majority of white, blue-collar workers. According to a new poll, McCain crushes Obama among white working class voters in key states. For a while the campaign (and some progressives) seemed willing to write off these voters. Obama has come to recognize that he has a problem, but the changes enacted by his campaign are mostly cosmetic and will do little to solve it.

He can forget about bowling and basketball, he can forget about talking about his humble roots and his single mother. For Obama there's only one answer, and it's called progressive populism.

We've seen this crappy movie before, of course. For the last forty years, the GOP has managed to portray every Democratic nominee--except the two winners, Carter and Clinton--as egg-headed elitists. Indeed, conservative cultural populism, originating with Nixon's "silent majority," has arguably been the dominant political force during this time. For a politician like Obama--who, unlike Bill Clinton, lacks both a Southern accent and a willingness to demagogue cultural issues--there's only one recourse.

To be sure, Obama's race doesn't help him among this voting bloc, but it need not be decisive. Race ain't what it used to be. To cite just one precedent, Deval Patrick did well among white working class voters in South Boston. Increasingly white working class voters are willing to vote for candidates regardless of race provided the candidates look after their economic interests.

I don't expect Obama to turn into William Jennings Bryan: that's not who he is. Yet the positions he's already taken could for the basis for a strong populist push. It's a matter of emphasis.

Last summer Obama introduced along with Sherrod Brown and Dick Durbin an excellent bill called the Patriot Corporation Act, described here by the Nation's William Grieder:

Now here is a Patriot Act everyone can get behind. It's called the Patriot Corporation of America Act and it rewards the companies that don't screw their employees and weaken the country by moving the jobs to China and elsewhere.

In these troubled times, doesn't that sound like common sense? Government policy presently works in opposite ways. It literally assists and subsidizes the disloyal free riders who boost their profits by dumping their obligations to the home country. It's called globalization. Establishment wisdom says there is nothing politicians can do about it.

But the bills introduced Thursday by three senators and seven representatives, all Democrats, can begin to reverse this political perversity. Don't expect a roll call anytime soon, but I think the governing principle is pivotally important.

This bill gives Obama not only a specific set of populist proposals to promote but also a means of arguing for progressive patriotism, which can be used to counter bullshit attacks on his own patriotism.

And he needs to heighten his focus on trade. I wish he were a stronger fair trader, but he didn't vote for NAFTA and didn't hire union-buster Mark Penn. It's astounding that Hillary has managed to repackage herself as a fair trader. Obama needs to continue to hit her on her support for NAFTA and to hold her accountable for Mark Penn, who does more damage before breakfast than Jeremiah Wright has done in his entire career.

Trade should be one of Obama's key issues against McCain, who is already facing difficulty in Ohio because of his fealty to corporate free trade. In 2004, free trader John Kerry lost to Bush in Ohio while fair trader Sherrod Brown outperformed Kerry in small towns by double digits and beat Mike Dewine.

(Speaking of Sherrod Brown, as a VP candidate he would help Obama among white working class voters, as would Jim Webb, an original Reagan Democrat. Corporatist Bill Richardson, a champion of NAFTA, wouldn't.)

As the recession deepens, Obama needs to highlight his opposition to Bush's tax cuts for the rich, the economic impact of the war he opposed from the outset, and hissupport for re-regulation, which he needs to elaborate with specifics. In general, to win white working class voters and beat McCain, Obama needs to de-emphasize his post-partisan, unifying rhetoric in favor of populist positions he already holds.

This strategy comes with a risk: to move left on the economy is to invite the opposition of the corporate media and Wall Street. But he doesn't have a choice. It's the right thing to do, and the smart thing.

According to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, only 13 percent of registered voters think Obama would pursue polices that favor the rich over other citizens; 53 percent think McCain would do so. What Obama needs to do is convince the swing voters that this difference will have a significant impact on their lives. If he can do that, he will do well in Pennsylvania, and will most likely become the 44th President of the United States.

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    •  Solid advice. (6+ / 0-)

      Spot on.

      Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

      by Pager on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:00:51 AM PDT

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    •  Excellent analysis, David. (5+ / 0-)

      Right now, it's backwards.  He is a centrist portrayed as a "leftist" elitist based on Rev. Wright and his temperamant.  

      Actually taking a progressive populist tact could change a lot of that.

      "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

      by TomP on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:14:28 AM PDT

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    •  Hey david (1+ / 0-)

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      while I love the advice, I wonder how much actual traction such a program would get in our so called liberal 'media'. 10-1 odds says that Obama presents a proposal like this and

      a) It's ignored
      or
      b) It's ridiculed as utterly unworkable.

      Nevertheless, it's a great idea. I'd be behind it 1000%.  I think what needs to happen is the proposal comes with a set of economists come on board with him. Reich, Krugman if possible etc. That would give it gravitas and well as attention.

    •  Your Correct (4+ / 0-)

      David, Your correct but I would even go further than you have. He must make the election about them-5% whose income and wealth has increased under MccAIN/bUSH AND US-95% who haven't gotten any increase and in most cases our quality of life has decreased. He also must make a much stronger case of how McCain/Bush have participated in the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people and the trillions which have been stolen from us in tax cuts for the rich and more wealth for the finance industry. He should link the passing of the Commodity Futures Trading Act(CFTA) of 2000 which guaranteed no regulation of the derivatives industry and the repeal of Glass/Stegall as the two most important bills in the destruction of our economy. Phil Gramm authored and lead the way for the CFTA. Gramm is now John McCain's chief economics advisor. Pres. Clinton signed both bills.

      If Obama can make the case for 'class warfare' against the 5% then he doesnt have to worry about appealing to 'blue collar workers' because they are one of us.

      You do have to realize the 'Bradley effect' is till in play whereby no matter what Obama does-there will be a considerable per centage of the electorate, not included in the polling numbers' who will not vote for him because he is black and a large percentage of this group is blue collar workers. I estimate the percentage at 4-6% in the general election.

      But this hidden anti-Obama vote will be outweuighed by all the first time and newly excited voters Obama brings to the process.

      •  Well said (0+ / 0-)

        People down thread tell me that Obama's no populist. Perhaps not, but he's spoken eloquently about our second Gilded Age, and for all his faults, Jim Webb might make a nice VP given that he calls economic inequality that country's greatest problem.

        •  I Agree, Webb is the best VP Candidate (0+ / 0-)

          I agree Webb is the best possible VP candidate when it comes to having strengths to offset Obama's weaknesses in order to appeal to the military and those voters who rate security as their highest priority.

          Webb is able to bring his military background, experience as Regan's Secretary of the Navy and a populist message to the campaign. He has major problems to overcome due to his pro life and other Republican lite stances. But that shouldnt be a hinderance when compared to the 'Neanderthal' views of McCain and as long as he states he would uphold Roe V Wade but opposes abortion should be sufficient.

          The idea Obama isnt a populist is BS. His entire campaign is based on populism which is another word stating policies should be for the vast majority of people, not for the few. My only gripe with Obama is he must evolve his campaign from we can all make the change to 'look at how these elites(5%) have screwed the rest of us and here is how they did it and now here is how we can all change this.'

          I undertsood why he had to take the 'low volume way' in order not to come across initially as someone offensive to many people but now he can let it rip in a way that only Obama can. By making the case forcefully, with facts and giving hope that if we all work together; we dont have to be ruled by the 5% and our lives will be better.

          Obama shouldn't run soundbite commercials in the general election ( I thought it was a mistake in the primaries) but he should run 3-4 minute infomercials on various problems-how we have been screwed, what he is proposing to remedy it and how we can help. Anotherwards intelligent communications. The public is dying for a content driven campaign. Ross Perot, as much of a crank as he was, showed how much the country wanted to listen by buying 30 minute time periods to explain our national debt. I dont believe Obama should buy thirty minute time periods but 3-4 minutes should be enough and it would be a great contrast to the 'brain dead' commercials of McCain.

  •  I think things will be different in the GE (3+ / 0-)

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    It is not like he gets no white working class vote, just less than Hillary, in a Dem primary. And all polls should be viewed through the prism of a long primary season, and a GE that is months away. White working class people vote for him! But, I agree, populism is the key for more to vote for him.

  •  He's having trouble winning blue collar/whites (2+ / 0-)

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    because...........

    .....there's still plenty of hidden racism in this country. Period.

    Forget the "liberal", "elitist", "effete" labels.  Those are just "excuse labels" Clinton/McCain use so they don't have to say "Don't vote for him because he's BLACK!!!"

    •  I don't think that's the (10+ / 0-)

      only explanation, and if that becomes the mantra of Obama supporters, he'll definitely lose the election.

      •  It is easier to (4+ / 0-)

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        believe that then do the hard work of change.

        confirmation bias

        "It is the peculiar and perpetual error of the human understanding to be more moved and excited by affirmatives than by negatives." --Francis Bacon

        Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs. For example, if you believe that during a full moon there is an increase in admissions to the emergency room where you work, you will take notice of admissions during a full moon, but be inattentive to the moon when admissions occur during other nights of the month. A tendency to do this over time unjustifiably strengthens your belief in the relationship between the full moon and accidents and other lunar effects.

        This tendency to give more attention and weight to data that support our beliefs than we do to contrary data is especially pernicious when our beliefs are little more than prejudices. If our beliefs are firmly established on solid evidence and valid confirmatory experiments, the tendency to give more attention and weight to data that fit with our beliefs should not lead us astray as a rule. Of course, if we become blinded to evidence truly refuting a favored hypothesis, we have crossed the line from reasonableness to closed-mindedness.

        Numerous studies have demonstrated that people generally give an excessive amount of value to confirmatory information, that is, to positive or supportive data. The "most likely reason for the excessive influence of confirmatory information is that it is easier to deal with cognitively" (Gilovich 1993). It is much easier to see how a piece of data supports a position than it is to see how it might count against the position. Consider a typical ESP experiment or a seemingly clairvoyant dream: Successes are often unambiguous or data are easily massaged to count as successes, while negative instances require intellectual effort to even see them as negative or to consider them as significant. The tendency to give more attention and weight to the positive and the confirmatory has been shown to influence memory. When digging into our memories for data relevant to a position, we are more likely to recall data that confirms the position (ibid.).

        confirmation bias

        If it is all racism, then there is nothing Obama can do.  A few supporters can play out a morality play in which they share the martyrdom, by proxy, and validate their own personal superiority.  Obama loses, and they can feel superior.  

        Or one can question and critcially analyze even one's own premises.  

        "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

        by TomP on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:18:22 AM PDT

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    •  no, Kerry underperformed in this group as well (12+ / 0-)

      it's not just racism. The liberal, elitist, out-of-touch playbook is standard GOP operating procedure against Democrats going back to Mondale and Dukakis.

      You don't help your candidate by suggesting that people who prefer Clinton are ignorant racists, by the way.

      John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."

      by desmoinesdem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:02:03 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, it's bigger than race, really... (5+ / 0-)

        the culture war, where Kerry riding a windboard becomes a campaign commercial.

        Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

        by Inland on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:03:54 AM PDT

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      •  Except that Kerry WAS... (1+ / 0-)

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        ...a liberal, out-of-touch elitist, just as Hillary Clinton is and just as the far-right thinks John McLame is.  Obama is as far from that brand of elitism as anyone can be...

        This whole meme that white, working-class voters who vote for Hillary (Hillary Fucking Clinton, for Christ's sake!) in the primary won't vote for Obama in the General Election is stupid.  It's Mark Penn and Corporate Media spin.  All Obama needs is a solid 45%, and I think that is easily achievable in this election, an election where change will win the day...

        I want my Two Dollars!

        by Ken in MN on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:06:40 AM PDT

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        •  way to swallow the right-wing hate machine lines (3+ / 0-)

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          A few months ago Obama fans cheered to get Kerry's endorsement. Now he apparently deserved what he got because according to you, he really was an out-of-touch elitist.

          And so is Hillary, even though she and Obama have voted the same way in the Senate on almost everything.

          John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."

          by desmoinesdem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:08:12 AM PDT

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          •  I don't swallow anything... (2+ / 0-)

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            ...the point is, making the "elitist" label stick to Kerry was too easy.  He was his own worst enemy.  Anybody that has been in Washington as long as Kerry, Clinton, McPain, et. al. is out of touch in my book.  They live far different lives than us regular joes and janes.  They run with a crowd that has all the money and all the power.  If that's not elite, then you tell me what is...

            As far as Kerry endorsing Obama, I couldn't give two shits.  I worked my ass off for him, but he and his campaign flushed all that hard work down the toilet.  And way to give up before all the votes were counted in Ohio, the friggin' moran...

            Hillary was born rich, has always been rich, and always will be rich.  She hasn't walked a mile in my shoes, those of a white, working-class voter, and never will.  What I like about Obama was that after he graduated from Harvard, instead of cashing in, he went back to the 'hood to give back to the community, and to help those less fortunate than he believed himself to be.  That takes humbleness, and humility, and character, and decency.  What did Hillary do?  Served on the board of Wal Mart, worked actively to outsourse white, working-class jobs, first to Mexico, then to China, voted for the war, and is now PROFITING from the war (along with John Kerry!)...

            I want my Two Dollars!

            by Ken in MN on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:17:35 AM PDT

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        •  Agree with you (1+ / 0-)

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          While many Democrats choose Hillary over Obama in the primaries, it makes no sense whatsoever to conclude that therefore they would not vote for Obama over McCain. To quote Mr. Spock, it is illogical. Obama is the Democratic candidate, and these voters are Democrats, f'crissakes. They will vote for him.

          So, why does Hillary draw as much support as she does from the white working class segment? Obviously there will be many reasons, including racial bias, but the one I'd like to highlight is conservatism. I don't mean political conservatism, just the simple psychological tendency to favor a person with whom you are familiar over one you don't know as well.

          This is not a very sexy explanation, so it probably won't get much play around here :-)

      •  Yes, but Kerry was an elitist married to a (1+ / 0-)

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        multi-billionaires.  He has ties to the French and he does wind-serf.

        Obama needs to just be seen playing BBall regularly and dealing with real issues.

      •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)

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        "Green tea sipping, windsurfing, unpatriotic" Kerry was portrayed the same way.

        Edwards Supporters for Obama!

        by NCDem Amy on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:17:32 AM PDT

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      •  Bingo (5+ / 0-)

        You get the prize.

        no, Kerry underperformed in this group as well it's not just racism. The liberal, elitist, out-of-touch playbook is standard GOP operating procedure against Democrats going back to Mondale and Dukakis.

        You don't help your candidate by suggesting that people who prefer Clinton are ignorant racists, by the way.

        And I'll go you one step further, it's suicide to chalk it up to racism because once you point that finger then you're done. You can't reason with the irrational by definition and racist are not using too much of their cognitive functions when deciding who to vote for.

        I was shocked to read in the identity politics series over at American prospect that

        The Politics of Definition, Part II

        The key weakness of the progressive coalition can be summarized easily: very weak support among white working class voters (defined here as whites without a four-year college degree). These voters, who are overwhelmingly of moderate to low income and, by definition, of modest credentials, should see their aspirations linked tightly to the political fate of the progressive movement. But they don't...

        Therefore, white working-class voters were responsible for almost all of George W. Bush's increased margin among whites as a whole in the 2004 election (which went from 12 to 17 points). And Bush's increased margin among whites was primarily responsible for his re-election.

        Almost all of the white working-class movement toward Bush was among women rather than men... That 11-point swing against the Democrats among white working-class women was arguably the most important single fact about the 2004 election.

        The basic reasons for this stunningly poor Democratic performance among the white working class can also be easily summarized. Among white working-class voters, 66 percent said they trusted Bush to handle terrorism, compared to just 35 percent who said the same about Kerry. That's very bad, but perhaps not all that surprising. What is more surprising is this: 55 percent of these voters said they trusted Bush to handle the economy, and only 39 percent said the same about Kerry.

        Just astounding.

        And can we all please remember that we're not running against Bush this time and consider the fact that Democrats don't own this brand with these voters anymore? We just don't and polling in the Kerry-Bush race indicates that racism is not the root cause for this problem.

        Now, the truth is that the party doesn't need to win this demo, we just need to keep it competitive. Clinton rated even with these voter in both of his elections, but too those were three ways so it's not clear how that translates to the general we're looking at this year. But your argument vis a vis Kerry is devastating to the premise that racism accounts for Obama's weakness with these voters in the primary race.

    •  Indeed, and the same people who are not voting (4+ / 0-)

      for Obama in the Dem primaries because he's Black, would vote for McCain - and not Hillary! - in the General because she's a woman.

      We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

      by Lepanto on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:02:57 AM PDT

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    •  Sorry (3+ / 0-)

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      Racism is not the only reason. Bill Clinton won white working class voters in both of his elections. That brand has now transferred to Hillary. Please read my response down thread on the Kerry-Bush race.

    •  Its more about the right painting the perception (2+ / 0-)

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      of "liberal", "elitest" etc. This is the tool they've always used and it will be used again this time.

  •  If McCain wins the blue-collar working families (2+ / 0-)

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    over Obama, it has nothing to do with being out of touch or elite. If you believe that, I'll sell you my 900SF condo in Miami for 1mil.

  •  Seem to be good policies on their own merit (2+ / 0-)

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    I don't know why they can't be part of the stump.

    Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

    by Inland on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:02:51 AM PDT

  •  I just don't see Obama as a populist (4+ / 0-)

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    That would be a huge change from the campaign rhetoric he has relied on for more than a year now.

    As you suggest, the corporate media repercussions would be serious as well. He saw what happened to John Edwards.

    John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."

    by desmoinesdem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:03:18 AM PDT

  •  well obviously, I think Obama's there (0+ / 0-)

    he just needs to find a way to convey it.

    And I think that's why John Edwards failed. He didn't know how to run this kind of campaign in a contemporary environment.

    Obama needs to stop wasting money on a deluge of meaningless 30 second ads.

    He needs 1 to 3 minute ads that clearly lay out the reasoning and philosophical underpinning of his positions, and then run them at specifically targeted times.

    He needs to buy hour blocks on public television or stations like the CW, and air townhalls outlining "the Blueprint for Change."

    He's got the grassroots organization thing down, but the next step is translating all that fundraising moolah into a forward-thinking communications strategy that can break the MSM's filter. The only way to do that is to buy time on television, not to run conventional name recognition ads, but to actually communicate the reasoning behind progressive policy.

  •  when Dukakis caught fire . . . (4+ / 0-)

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    Remember when Dukakis decided (at the end of the freaking campaign) to push a more populist line, started catching up, and . . . and . . . oh, yeah, lost anyway, because it was way too damned late by then nice try Mikey . . .

    I don't necessarily endorse, full on, the "Obama must go populist !!" idea, but there's something in this diary worth considering.

  •  Temporal Illusion... (0+ / 0-)

    ...many of those threatening to vote for McCain are disaffected Dems who will come back to the fold when the dust settles. McCain is so compromised on the issues already, even independents will think twice. Then McCains numbers will dissolve. The Dems have a tremendous edge this year in party membership and voter registration whereas the GOP stumbles around with a rotting albatross about its neck.

    Sure Obama will have to work to earn their votes, but I have little doubt that he will outperform McCain one-on-one.

    •  Lots of (1+ / 0-)

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      denial going on here.

      If we keep it up, we're going to welcome the term "McCain Democrats" into our lexicon.

      But yes, the fundamentals are in Dems' favor.

      •  Denial by whom? Not I! (1+ / 0-)

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        I am sincere in my belief but that doesn't mean I think  Democrats need to strive for every vote they possibly can, for every pick-up seat in the House and Senate, for every elected position up and down the ticket. To register as many new voters as possible and make them Democrats for a generation. I for one am tired of the 15+1 strategy that has ceded so much of the country to the conservatarian mentality. Cake walk or not, McCain bubble or not, now is the time to strive and make the Democratic margin as big as possible. It's time to get up, stand up...is it not?

  •  Re: the White Working Class meme (3+ / 0-)

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    Excellent points, David.  One thing that routinely gets overlooked is WHICH white working class voters we're talking about.   The media does a terrible job of lumping together upper Mid-west voters (which Obama can win) with Appalachia voters (which Obama can't).

    The populist message will work well for Obama in the Mid-west, where he already runs better than Hillary.  It won't help one bit in West Virginia or Kentucky.

    "President Obama will be the most liberal President of our lifetime."

    by rashomon on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:21:34 AM PDT

    •  Yes, good point (1+ / 0-)

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      and many of the much-heralded Reagan Dems haven't even voted yet--many sit out primaries. And white working class voters in the South, yeah, Obama will have trouble with those. But Hillary might too.

      And in the midwest there are important distinctions between rust belt voters and farm belt voters.

      Someone should study why he did so well in Wisconsin.

  •  Clinton, Gore, Kerry (2+ / 0-)

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    all failed to get a majority of blue collar, middle class whites.

    polls this far out related to the general election only give general patterns, as the Democratic nominee Obama's numbers among Dem blue collar whites will certainly go up, likely his VP choice will be decided partly on who can bring that number up.  I think Obama needs to be more specific, and get some new, constantly updating talking points as opposed to saying nearly the exact same things over and over as he has been doing.  he'll be fine.

    Obama's platform generally can already be described as progressive and populist.  self-righteous purity trolls like to say that Obama is neither, but they are not to be taken seriously.  you want to see Obama's numbers go down reallly far with whites?  let him become a fire-breathing populist.  the media is already so against Obama at this point, the day he made such a change in delivery will be the day he is escorted out of the race by the media conglomerations.

    people, do you have any idea, really, what a tightrope this guy is already walking?  purity tests are not what is going to win the White House this time around.  Obama is being nibbled to death because people can't get over their own little hangups.  and they have to do it, or its going to be Bush term 3.  those are you choices.

    •  Clinton did better (2+ / 0-)

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      Hence his victories.

      And I certainly wasn't saying he should be a Huey Long populist. Did you even read what I wrote.

      I recommended merely that he highlight positions he already holds.

      •  important factors to consider: (2+ / 0-)

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        1. Gore was a very strong plus for Clinton in 1992 (and a plus in 1996)
        1. Clinton scandal/fatigue was a drag on Gore in 2000. The media smears of Gore were horrendous too (similar to how they're ganging up on Obama now; it disgusts me to see them talk Wright 24/7 smearing Obama with completely bogus guilt by association).

        Those two quite likely depressed the white blue collar vote for Gore.

        Just say NO to BAYH (for VP)! His war hawking is why!

        by NeuvoLiberal on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:48:55 AM PDT

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        •  I agree with both points here (1+ / 0-)

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          Especially number 2.

          You also have to consider that people were generally happier with their economics in 2000, so that no wolf at the door mentality might have hurt Gore too with voters. It might have just come down to who offered the bigger tax cut, nod to Bush, when a voter decided based on economics.

          That the Bush tax cut was a bogus shell game designed to free the real elites from paying their fair share of taxes was not really clear in that race, also due to a disgusting media bias against Gore.

    •  No, yes, yes (1+ / 0-)

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      Clinton carries these voters both times.

      The Politics of Definition, Part II

      Data from the last two presidential elections vividly demonstrate this problem and underscore its significance for progressives. In 2000, Al Gore lost white working-class voters by 17 percentage points; in 2004, John Kerry lost them by 23 points, a swing of 6 points against the Democrats. In contrast, Gore lost college-educated whites by 9 points and Kerry lost them by 10 points -- not much change.

      And there is a lot of room for that improved performance. Keep in mind that Bill Clinton actually carried white working-class voters in both his successful presidential campaigns (by a single percentage point in both instances).

      Now it's true that Clinton ran in two three way races but still.

      •  i meant as in (1+ / 0-)

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        he didn't win a majority of them, he did defeat his opponents though, yes

        •  It's a good point (0+ / 0-)

          and that series from American Prospect indicates that in order to win in November and create a serious progressive coalition that can govern beyond Nov. 4th we don't need to win these voters outright, but we do need to keep this demo as competitive as Bill Clinton did. Gore did less better with them, but Kerry just handed these voters over to Bush on the proverbial shiny platter.

  •  He needs to play the "lobbyist card" (2+ / 0-)

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    david mizner, NCDem Amy

    The fact that our government is run by lobbyists is an issue that makes everyone angry. John Edwards' stance on this won my support early on.

    I can think of three white Republican men who've complained to me about it.

    Obama needs to pound McCain on his ties to the telecommunications industry and other lobbying groups.  There's plenty of grist for this mill.

  •  So, he'll pull a Hoover (0+ / 0-)

    He surely can go that way, but he'll loose my vote. The last thing an economy entering a recession needs is economic protectionism. Obama knows it, and I'm pretty sure his economic advisers know it. Every single guy who praised him for his position in gas tax would bash him for this one - and rightfully.

    •  Uh (2+ / 0-)

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      I was recommending that he highlight positions he already holds.

      •  Those positions are wrong (0+ / 0-)

        nt

        •  Ah (0+ / 0-)

          Why are you a Democrat?

          •  Not because of the protectionist hoax (0+ / 0-)

            Sure I'm already troubled voting and donating for a party who seems increasingly sold to economic populism despite the broad consensus among economists (even democrats ones, like yours truly) that the benefits from an open world trading system. It's like our own global warming denial. I can overcome it because I'm far from being a single-issue voter and because I don’t really believe the populist rhetoric coming from the Clinton and Obama campaigns. I'm pretty sure their economic advisers are, well, economists. But I actually voted for Obama because Clinton was touting too much economic populism; and I can easily stay at home if Obama follows the same path.

            And what's your point exactly? You need to be an economic illiterate to be a democrat? There won't be very

            P.s. - Free-trade creates winners and losers; but the net effect is widely positive, both nations will enjoy from greater overall prosperity. I believe the government shall do something to help the losers - and that's why I'm a democrat (among many other reasons). But imposing tariffs and other barriers to trade is the worst way of doing it.

  •  Thoughtul interesting diary. Thanks. (0+ / 0-)

    "We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America." Barack Obama

    by keeplaughing on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:42:31 AM PDT

  •  And yet he beats McCain handily (0+ / 0-)

    by more than what Hillary would, in nearly every poll.

    Isn't that a kick in the head?

    "2009" The end of an error

    by sheddhead on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:04:59 AM PDT

  •  I don't know what (0+ / 0-)

    you can do about a guy who always looks like he just stepped off of the front page of GQ and really doesn't have much physical presence.

    There's nothing wrong with these traits, but they contribute to the perception of him as being weak.  

    Bush's presidency is now inextricably yoked to the policies of aggression and subjugation. Mike Whitney

    by dfarrah on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:07:20 AM PDT

  •  Focus like a laser on Bush economic policies (1+ / 0-)

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    NCDem Amy

    Obama should talk in laymen's terms about the results of

    " the passing of the Commodity Futures Trading Act(CFTA) of 2000 which guaranteed no regulation of the derivatives industry and the repeal of Glass/Stegall as the two most important bills in the destruction of our economy. Phil Gramm authored and lead the way for the CFTA. Gramm is now John McCain's chief economics advisor. Pres. Clinton signed both bills."

    Thanks to upthread poster for this info.

    Now commercial banks have turned their lobbying clout against credit unions' potential expansion of services. Credit unions are non-profit entities offering affordable financial services to individuals. I work for a big bank and have accounts with a credit union. Everytime I get another email from the Banker's Association telling me to contact legislators on behalf of commercial banks, I mutter something choice and hit the delete key.

  •  I agree (1+ / 0-)

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    that it would be nice to see this kind of message from Obama, but I don't know. His campaign is on the record this week as committing to retooling the message on jobs so maybe you're right. But we like him because he's a new style of politician so adopting that old school fighting Dem persona won't fit. He's in a tough spot because I don't think racism explains the results in PA yet this is the MSM line on the vote. And how he let Hillary off the hook for NAFTA in PA is a complete mystery to me.

    I think he might do better to wonk up his positions and assuage voters' fears of giving their support over to the new kid on the block.

    Also, once he gets into a general election I think he's be better off running against McCain as 4 more years of Bush and too old to put in the top job. I think he could be successful transferring the Bush taint to McCain thus winning the election, but he's going to have spend some time hammering that point home. So far the media has given McCain a free ride.

    I don't know, we'll see.

  •  Don't blame me (0+ / 0-)

    I was an Edwards supporter.

    Support Andrew Rice for US Senate: link vs. Jim "global warming is a hoax" Inhofe

    by tsunami on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:02:22 PM PDT

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