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Why I believe John Edwards will endorse on Wednesday

Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:30:26 AM PDT

On Friday, John Edwards went on a media blitz to talk about his new anti-proverty program half in ten, which vowed to cut national proverty in half by ten years.  He also established that he does eventually plan to endorse very soon and for the person who he voted for in the NC primary.

Now John Edwards could have easily sat this one out, waited until the end, and then support the eventually nominee which is more than likely going to be the man he voted for: Barack Obama.  

So why would John Edwards say he is going to endorse soon if the election is going to be over at the earliest May 21 and the lastest June 3?  Why would he think at this point that his endorsement would make a difference when most of his voters and supporters have already moved to Obama?

The answer is quite simple. Obama's camp is quite notorious in timing endorsements when they want them to come out or when they believe they will need them to maximize a narrative they want to push.  The reason that we don't see a lot of superdelegates rush forward but instead trickle out is for the same reason.  Obama's camp wants to control the narrative and give it a more natural feel so that there are no complaints he stole the election by superdelegates but earned it by winning the most states, the most delegates, and the popular vote.  

I think John made up his mind a while ago, and while Elizabeth supports Hillary's healthcare plan more than Obama's and more than likely voted for Clinton, I think she wouldn't mind throwing her support to Obama either, especially since he's poised to be the nominee. His campaign manger going to Obama was a silent signal of his choice because I don't believe that anyone that was loyal to him would make their preference known without asking John first his opinion.  The fact that that endorsement came late in the game and then Edwards starting to make noise about his endorsement makes it known that is is on the herizon.

So what are they waiting on?  

West Virginia.   Obama is going to get stomped there, no ifs ands or buts.  It'll be slightly embarrasing.  It'll be to the point where pundits will start saying "Maybe he does need to put her on the  ticket."  

Then enters Edwards.  He takes air out of Clinton's sails as for most of this election he has represented the working class whites that she claims to speak for.  It is not a blow that would merit anything more than his spoken endorsement but would carry the media narrative to a different place.  It would lend Obama the gravitas to move forward with minimal damage as well as give Edwards a platform for his new program about proverty.  It also gives Obama a powerful surrogate that he can use to appeal to those in KY, MT, and ND.   It also takes air out of her argument that he needs Clinton to appeal to those voters because their are others in the party that can appeal to them just as much if not more than Clinton can once she's out of the race.

This is why I think Obama has a major endorsement from Edwards coming on Wednesday, the day after WV.   I may be totally wrong on this and regret writing this diary, but all hints being thrown out lead me to this direction.

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  •  I agree (5+ / 0-)

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    and it's a speculation others, including me have made before. It only seems logical.

    Ad Al Gore on the list too.

  •  I Wish It Were To Be So But ... (7+ / 0-)

    I believe Edwards and Gore are being told to hold back in the event this thing does unravel and go to the convention.  The democratic leadership, due to its own ineptitude, now needs an insurance policy if both candidates become unelectable.  Very sad.

  •  I've thought the same thing (4+ / 0-)

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    mattman, jamfan, Greg in TN, LizzyPop

    Either a Dem Super star endorsement  or an avalanche of super delegates I hope both!!

  •  I think you may be on to something (3+ / 0-)

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    don't know if it is Edwards per se, but I agree that the Obama campaign is anticipating how to shift the media talk the day after WV.

  •  It is DEFINITELY possible (2+ / 0-)

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    mattman, Greg in TN

    I wouldn't rule that out at all.

    It will be either Edwards or a 30 superdelegate deluge that could happen on Wednesday.

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    by Drdemocrat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:36:20 AM PDT

  •  I'd been thinking he might announce it on Sunday (4+ / 0-)

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    mattman, Greg in TN, jj32, dawnt

    as he's scheduled to appear on Face The Nation, but now that you mention it Wednesday does make more sense as far as timing.

  •  Too little, too late. Where was Edwards (6+ / 0-)

    when we could have really used him in Ohio and PA?

    Sorry, but he has become somewhat of a non-issue at this point.

  •  I don't think Edwards is looking to be viewed (6+ / 0-)

    as part of an effort to push HRC out of the race.

    If he was, he would have endorsed sooner.

  •  Fat chance... (1+ / 0-)

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    sick of it all

    he obviously has no "cojones."  I think "soon" to him means 6/3...we'll see...I'll GLADLY take back my remarks if you're right!!

    •  Oh, I'm sure it takes a lot of cojones (6+ / 0-)

      for Edwards to defy YOUR agenda.

      Considering that Obama's health insurance proposal is miles away from Edwards, considering that Obama doesn't seem to register rural American poverty or NOLA, considering that, yes, he believes in negotiating with Iran, but still refers to it as a "dangerous threat," cites Ahmedinejad as its leader and other incoherent items, considering that Obama's position on global warming is less stringent than Edwards (FOE only endorsed Obama long after Edwards, their first endorsement, dropped out)) considering other things I won't prolong this post with, why on earth does Edwards lack cojones for not endorsing a candidate only vaguely aligned with Edwards' causes?  

      Maybe it's because he doesn't want the message of his causes weakened, just as several of you are recoiling from the idea of Obama tapping Clinton as his vp for the sake of party unity, but an act that would definitely weaken Obama's message.

      Please, God, don't let the Democratic party make me vote for some pinhead who believes in the GWOT. God grinned...

      by planetclaire4 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:00:43 PM PDT

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      •  what nonsense. (1+ / 0-)

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        Obama's healthcare plan isn't that different from Edwards.  It's about 90% the same.  Obama has spoken up about rural poverty and been very active re Katrina. JE made some very harsh comments about Iran last year in front of AIPAC- harsher, in fact, than anything Obama has said.  John Edwards had a lack luster conservative/centrist record in his term in office.

        Frankly, I could care less if JE endorses Obama.  He's really not a significant factor in...  anything.

        two cheers for democracy

        by ClaryinVT on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:00:14 PM PDT

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  •  It's The Delegates (9+ / 0-)

    Edwards will through his delegates to Obama which will give him more than Clinton wins in WVa.

    The media narrative will then be "she loses ground even when she wins."

    Good strategy - good executive planning.

    If Edwards doesn't endorse Wednesday, look for a big Super Del rollout.  He will negate her delegate wins.

  •  About John Edwards... (14+ / 0-)

    I was a staunch John Edwards supporter from the day he announced. I liked the fact that he was the first one to take the gamble and commit to universal health care. I liked how when he talked about the issues, he framed it as a question of values, and tried to show people how Democratic values ARE American values, and how we all share them. And I liked his more partisan, fiesty approach. But when It became clear he couldn't beat Hillary (after Nevada), I decided to back the best chance to do that, Obama.

    My support for Obama was more about being against Hillary, at first. I did not like her politically motivated vote and support for the war, or her defense of lobbyist (sorry, "real people") money, or her seeming willingness to do just about anything in the pursuit of personal ambition. But the more I got to know Obama, the more I liked him, and what he stood for. I came to realize that you can fight for the things you believe in without always resorting to the bras knuckles approach favored by the Clintons.

    Obama is not perfect, but his view of what the Democratic Party ought to be and who it ought to represent is fundamentally the same as what Edwards espoused, and opposed to what the Clintons have made it clear they believe.

    And it is for this reason I am very disappointed that Edwards hasn't endorsed Obama already. When you are faced with a very stark and consequential choice, you cannot sit on the sidelines, you have to make a choice. I made mine, and I just can't fathom why Edwards hasn't come out and made his.

    Sorry for the long comment, I'm new here and so I can't post diaries yet. Go Obama!

    "An age is called Dark, not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it."- James Albert Michener

    by scooter86 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:40:26 AM PDT

    •  Just a thought (6+ / 0-)

      I appreciate you reasoned argument but there is something to consider. We all now the great difference it made for both Teddy and Kerry to endorse in Mass., what difference does anyone think an Edwards endorsement would have made at this point?

      When he exited the race he allowed his people and his supporters to decide for themselves, imagine that trusting Americans to make their own decision. If he had instantly endorsed it would have alienated a segment of not only his supporters but the party and he would have been derided by the opposition.

      Another thought, heard from "what's his name from New Mexico" or any of the things he championed?

      •  Thanks for your response... (1+ / 0-)

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        For me, I personally don't care if John Edwards' endorsement would have made a difference or not for Barack Obama, because this isn't about the political aspect for me. It's about values, and sincerity. If someone holds strong values and is sincere about them, they don't sit on the sideline when they are faced with a choice, they act. The fact that he has seemed to play both sides and has refrained from making his preference known makes me start to question how sincere he was in the first place, and I don't say that lightly because I was a strong supporter of his.

        Of course his supporters are free to do what they want when he leaves the race, and that is how it should be. A person driven by values isn't concerned with people not liking them because of where they stand. But nothing gets to me more than a Democrat who stick their finger in the wind to gauge where they stand. That is why I don't support Hillary, and I believed John Edwards was opposed to that is well. When he hesitates and vaccilates, it makes me question.

        And as for Bill Richardson, I was at the Obama rally in Portland, OR where he endorsed Obama. I was at the very front, shook his hand, the works. I appreciate that Richardson was willing to come to Obama's defense when Obama was reeling, and that he was willing to break away from the Clintons to do so, regardless of thew abuse he has taken from them for it. I respect that.

        "An age is called Dark, not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it."- James Albert Michener

        by scooter86 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:59:26 AM PDT

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        •  Alright scooter86 (2+ / 0-)

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          A person driven by values isn't concerned with people not liking them because of where they stand.

          So tell me has JRE quit being who he said he was? Have he and EE stopped hammering the clowns on the right who need to be shamed into submission? It's not a finger in the wind when you consistently say that we as a country have to take on the idiots and support the Democratic agenda, whether it be ending the war, healthcare or poverty.

          Just like he stated again and again in his interveiws yesterday Obama has done fine without his endorsement. So tell me what purpose it would have served for him to jump on the train when it already left the station under a full head of steam?

          •  What I said was not meant as an insult (0+ / 0-)

            either to Edwards or to his loyal supporters. But if he is serious about pushing our country towards a more sane and reasonable foreign policy, he ought to support the candidate who opposed it from the start, and make it clear that he opposes the one who threatens obliteration on the people of Iran. Or the issue of lobbyist money, there is a clear difference between the remaining candidates.

            You asked what purpose it would have served for Edwards to endorse, but I think we are mis communicating here. To me, its not about serving a purpose, its about supporting leaders who share your values and fight for them, even when its hard. An endorsement of Obama, whenever it came, would have shown that. I hope it is still forthcoming, but it means less when Obama's nomination is already a foregone conclusion.

            "An age is called Dark, not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it."- James Albert Michener

            by scooter86 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:22:55 PM PDT

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            •  Sorry got preoccupied (1+ / 0-)

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              The whole point is maybe he just like many others realize it is a foregone conclusion,(now some are admitting it) and the point is it's not about all saying rah-rah but pushing and pulling to get issues and our agenda front and center.

              Don't take this as a negative but I just beleive that he and others who have been "quiet" and are now speaking out know what they are doing.

              2 cents

      •  Don't think anyone expected him to endorse (2+ / 0-)

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        'immediately' - BUT when Hillary really kicked in the garbage (long about Ohio and Texas, IMO) I do think it would have made a difference.  His silence has been notable to me.  

        I find the irony of the early days in the process around here ironic.  How many times did I see comments touting "A leader leads!" regarding something Edwards "did".

        Many of us had real issues with the fact that when Edwards was in a position to take action (as Senator) he didn't act then in any way related to what he was saying when he was running now.

        His lack of endorsement is one more example to me of why I never was an Edwards supporter.  Good ideas - no real guts when needed.

    •  More brain bleach, please (4+ / 0-)

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      the bras knuckles approach favored by the Clintons

      I really didn't need the image of Hillary channelling Madonna, thankyouverymuch.

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      by ETF on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:55:25 AM PDT

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  •  If they are smart (2+ / 0-)

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    they'll do it Tuesday night

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    by foxsucks81 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:42:12 AM PDT

  •  Please his heart . . . but isn't it way past time (1+ / 0-)

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    sick of it all

    for this to have any significant impact?

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    by cultural worker on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:44:11 AM PDT

  •  Or... (0+ / 0-)

    He's waiting for her to have a big win so he can use evidence of that win to support his endorsement.

    I can't imagine the opinion of his campaign manager has more influence than that of his wife, who appears to support Clinton.

    He is waiting so long because many of his supporters now support Obama and he just doesn't want to piss them off/upset them.

    Also, maybe he still thinks there is a way for him to win. He only suspended his campaign after all, he didn't end it, did he?

    •  I don't think that he's going to endorse Hillary (5+ / 0-)

      I think his appearances on the talk shows on Friday made that really abundantly clear.   He basically said that he believed Obama was going to be the nominee and that he didn't see any way for Hillary to make it.  He's not going to throw himself on the granade for her when he knows she's going to lose.

      If anything I believe he held back because of the healthcare issue but Hillary became so toxic that he stayed out of it.  The difference now is that Obama is more than likely going to win this and Edwards wants the party to come together.  Obama winning his home state and most of his supporters is the perfect excuse to do an endorsement when it benefits Obama.

    •  Actually, (1+ / 0-)

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      llbear

      he said he and Elizabeth voted for different people, so her influence can't have been completely overwhelming!

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      by jamfan on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:31:25 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, (0+ / 0-)

        He didn't say that. He just refused to answer whether or not they had voted differently.

        They MAY have, but he didn't say that.

        You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.

        by mattman on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:44:27 PM PDT

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  •  John Edwards for A.G. (6+ / 0-)

    Then on to an appointment to the Supreme Court.  

    It's time to change the bench in favor of it's citizens, and not in favor of the corporate facists and the greedy, and power hungry few who feast upon the spoils of the "legitimate" theft of our rights, liberties and private property.  

    "..The paper holds their folded faces to the floor, and every day the paper boy brings more...." - Pink Floyd

    by LamontCranston on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:45:30 AM PDT

    •  No please no (4+ / 0-)

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      I personally think that would be a terrible move. Unless it is stated in a written document that the criminals from this administration will be prosecuted he should never be the AG. It is entirely up to the president the avenues that are taken.

      As many other things as the man has been blamed for it would provide a scapegoat to blame when the next administration does nothing, and they won't, no matter the president.

      •  The first two people who need to be prosecuted... (1+ / 0-)

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        Are Katherine Harris and Hans von Spakowsky.
        It does little point to prosecute the office-holders if you
        fail to point out that they had no business being in office
        in the first place.

        "You can't nice these people to death."-- John Edwards

        by ge0rge on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:15:50 PM PDT

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  •  it'll be interesting to see (1+ / 0-)

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    what the media does after Clinton wins WV (and KY).

    After PA, they amplified the "she's coming back" meme even though the win and even the approximate margin of victory was totally expected.

    Now after NC and IN, they've jumped on board the "Obama is the nominee" meme.

    Will they turn 180 degrees again when Clinton wins WV and KY? It would seem difficult given the current coverage of superdelegates changing to Obama, and Obama shifting gears to take on McCain. But I wouldn't put anything past the media.

  •  Obama to pass 2025 before Memorial day (1+ / 0-)

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    Expect him to pick up about 60 PDs from WV,KY and OR. That leaves 100 SDs to reach 2025. He will get 40 of them by May 20(6 per weekday). After OR, floodgates will open when he crosses 1627 and 60 SDs could endorse him by May 26.

    Obama is going to hold a rally in Chicago to celebrate(the 1627 mark) on or after May 20.

  •  If Edwards and Byrd were to endorse Obama (1+ / 0-)

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    just before WVA and KY, that would be really interesting.

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    by Lepanto on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:49:36 AM PDT

  •  His endorsement would be enough to counteract WV (4+ / 0-)

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    Edwards has the support of 18 pledged delegates, if he could endorse and swing those to Obama it more than counteract the 10-15 delegate gain that Hillary will make in WV.

  •  I don't think Edwards will ... (7+ / 0-)

    endorse, but here's what I do think will happen on Wednesday.  First, Obama will release his April fundraisinig numbers early in the morning, before the morning shows.  It will be impressive - in contrast to Hillary's massive campaign debt.  Second, between 7-12 supers, announced througout the day like Friday. This will include a Senator.  This will drown out Hillary, and the press, getting too carried away with her WV "victory."  Indeed, the 7-12 delegates will wipe out her delegate gain in WV.

    Make no mistake about it.  Hillary's up to hanky panky with her carefully crafted comments to USA Today.  Get the press all riled up talking about how Obama can't win hard working white voters.  Then, when as expected she wins big in WV, prove your point.  April Fundraising and a large amount of supers will drown all that faux noise out.  

  •  So, he will endorse after it means anything (1+ / 0-)

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    sick of it all

    significant?

    I was an Edwards supporter and still like him but, as a non SD and waiting till after the last possible State he could have had an effect in all this elicits in me is a big fat meh.

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    by edgeways on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:02:11 PM PDT

  •  If true does Obama get Edwards Delgates N/T (0+ / 0-)

  •  Take it easy on JRE (1+ / 0-)

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    First of all, it's been known for some time that there are essentially no uncommitted super delegates, only undeclared. The Obama team carries in reserve a bucketful of delegates, super ones, to reveal at opportune times. Clinton's primary communications with the supers has been to get them to stay out of it, meaning she knows which way the wind is blowing.

    The Richardson endorsement after the philly speech was strategic. The Kerry endorsement before SC was strategic. The Kennedy endorsements before super Tuesday were strategic. It would be unwise to spend all your ammo on overkill when it cannot buy you anything more that you can get at any given time.

    I don't know when JRE will endorse but I've always figured Obama would get the nod. JRE's endorsement carries with it, not his vote per se, but potentially the votes of at least 19 pledged delegates. That's a pretty big cannonball.

    JRE will endorse when both he and the Obama campaign agree it is the most benefit from a strategic perspective or when it really no longer matters. It's just a matter of having a reserve shot that can dramatically alter the battlefield when and if it is DESPERATELY needed.

    That's been my thinking.

  •  I bet Edwards regrets not endorsing Obama (0+ / 0-)

    before the NC blowout. He could have taken some credit then.  Also, if this does happen on Wednesday, Edwards could throw his 30 or something delegates behind Obama, essentially off setting any Hillary gains as well.  That could be a real blow to her.

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    by Gramarye on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:07:44 PM PDT

  •  Too late... (0+ / 0-)

    Way to show leadership after Obama has a few more delegates to go and he will have clinched the nomination.  Edwards hasn't shown any guts.

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    by Nonconformist on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:16:39 PM PDT

  •  I agree. JRE is the SUPERest delegate.. (0+ / 0-)

    w/ 26 votes in his pocket.  he would do for Obama what he did the day she 'won' Florida--and he dropped out, driving her off the front page.

    ..to be healed/the broken thing must come apart/then be rejoined.

    by Zacapoet on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:01:40 PM PDT

  •  JRE doesn't see the world the way Obama fans do (0+ / 0-)

    He just doesn't.  He's made it clear that he's not big on endorsements and thinks the value of his is way over stated.  He wants both the Obama & Clinton coalitions (you know 52 percenters and the 48 percenters) are on board to end poverty.  He's even reaching out to John McCain!  Did Obama fanatics know that MLK III asked Edwards to reach out to McCain so that he would attend the April 4 remembrance?  That JRE praised McCain for his poverty tour?  That maybe, just maybe, JRE is actually sincere about changing the mindset of all people so that they begin the see those  who have been forgotten?  To Obama fanatics it's obvious that Obama is Jesus and Hillary is Satan, but that's obvious to 48 percent of Dems and it's not obvious the the majority of Americans.  Obama fanatics want the establishment to pile on Hillary and trash her but Obama fanatics have NO FUCKING CLUE about how that would hurt all the folks who supported HRC and still admire her.  JRE's way of saying the race is over but still admiring HRC's fight and still showing her respect is exactly what this party and country needs.  And you can be sure that Sen. Obama appreciate that.

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    by Valhalla on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:06:55 PM PDT

  •  edwards is not an issue (0+ / 0-)

    he could never be elected to a national issue unti he gets a crewcut
    you guys are too young to remember tom dewey back in the 50's but i'm not.
    dewey, like edwards looked like he stepped off of a wedding cake. tooooo slick looking
    americans will never buy that look
    shame cause he has some great ideas.
    should be sec of HEW in obama cabinet

  •  ::applauds:: (3+ / 0-)

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    Excellent job, Niwind!

    (wanna post a fresh tipjar? ;)

  •  Wow! You are some kind of genius! (0+ / 0-)

    Called it on the nose!

    "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

    by Pandoras Box on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:09:17 AM PDT

  •  You called it, Niwind! (1+ / 0-)

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    I agree with amanuensis--post a fresh tip jar because a lot of people will be coming here from this TallJames diary.

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    by TrueBlueMajority on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:34:30 AM PDT

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