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Hoyer's and Rockefeller's Strange Corporate Bedfellow

Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:02:14 PM PDT

AT&T's 2007 Financial Review [pdf] includes this brief snippet:

NSA Litigation There are 24 pending lawsuits that allege that we and other telecommunications carriers unlawfully provided assistance to the National Security Agency (NSA) in connection with intelligence activities that were initiated following the events of September 11, 2001. In the first filed case, Hepting et al v. AT&T Corp., AT&T Inc. and Does 1-20, a purported class action filed in U.S. District Court in the Northern District of California, plaintiffs allege that the defendants have disclosed and are currently disclosing to the U.S. Government content and call records concerning communications to which Plaintiffs were a party. Plaintiffs seek damages, a declaratory judgment, and injunctive relief for violations of the First and Fourth Amendments to the United States Constitution, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, and other federal and California statutes. We filed a motion to dismiss the complaint. The United States asserted the "state secrets privilege" and related statutory privileges and also filed a motion asking the court to either dismiss the complaint or issue a summary judgment in favor of the defendants. The Court denied the Motions to Dismiss of both parties. Specifically, the Court ruled that the state secrets privilege does not prevent AT&T from asserting any statutory defense it may have, as appropriate, regarding allegations that it assisted the government in monitoring communication content. However, with regard to the calling records allegations, the Court noted that it would not require AT&T to disclose what relationship, if any, it has with the government. We and the U.S. government filed interlocutory appeals in July 2006. The case was argued before a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit on August 15, 2007. We are awaiting a decision. Management believes these actions are without merit and intends to vigorously defend these matters.

Part of AT&T's vigorous defense and fight for amnesty appears to be the deployment of a well-known right-wing "think tank," Frontiers of Freedom in the districts of freshman Democrats, including Kirsten Gillibrand and Tim Walz.

A local blog, Bluestem Prairie, decided to do a little digging with a stellar report about the organization that was joining in on the attack with these robocalls.

Turns out, the FF has been fronting for corporations, including, AT&T for a while now. Here's what Common Cause has uncovered:

Frontiers of Freedom does not disclose its financial backers, but the Wall Street Journal reported in 2001 that the organization's main contributors were corporations such as Philip Morris, ExxonMobil and RJ Reynolds Tobacco.[38] At the time, Frontiers of Freedom lobbied heavily against environmental regulations designed to reduce global warming,[39] and also railed against plaintiffs who sued the tobacco companies after contracting lung cancer from smoking.[40]

More recently, the Larstan Business Group accused Frontiers of Freedom of engaging in Astroturf lobbying on behalf of the telephone companies.[41]   Larstan's report, it should be noted, was commissioned by the National Cable and Telecommunications Association,[42] the main trade association for the cable television industry.

The report points out that Frontiers of Freedom has flip-flopped from being a critic of the telephone industry, to being one of its champions.  According to Larstan, in 2004, Frontiers of Freedom lambasted "the Bell monopolies" for not "do[ing] any of the
heavy-lifting normally associated with a free market,"[43] and instead relying on government regulation to build their business. But in 2005, the organization praised the merger of AT&T and SBC Communications[44] - two of the telephone industries biggest players - and also endorsed[45] the Bell-backed regulations designed to ease their entry into the cable television business.  Qwest Communications has alleged that Frontiers of Freedom accepts contributions from AT&T.[46]

That charge from Qwest was leveled by Michael Ceballos, president of Qwest's operation in Wyoming, in an opinion column written in the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle on July 27, 2005 (now offline, obtained through subscription) written in response to another by FF's founder, Malcom Wallop (former Senator from Wyoming):

As Mr. Wallop noted, he has over the years written critical columns about Qwest. Mr. Wallop is the founder and chairman of Frontiers of Freedom. AT&T contributes to this organization. The timing and distribution of these columns have occurred during times when AT&T was in a dispute with Qwest. We are not surprised at the timing of Mr. Wallop's column because Qwest has recently expressed concern over the proposed merger of AT&T and SBC.

As noted, FF doesn't disclose its financial backers, and a search of AT&T's site has yet to produce conclusive proof that AT&T is currently bankrolling the organization. But given their commitment to AT&T and their diligence in their "grassroots" lobbying for AT&T in that merger and now for telco amnesty, it seems a likely conclusion. Particularly when one considers the group's history with Exxon:

If you were the least bit nervous about all the worrying reports - from leading scientists, insurance companies and even the Pentagon - about human-induced climate change, don't worry: the Frontiers of Freedom (FF), a right-leaning think tank, is here to reassure you.

FF has established the Center for Science and Public Policy (CSPP) to alert "policy makers, the media, and the public to unreliable scientific claims and unjustified alarmism which often lead to public harm." If you are so inclined, you can subscribe to the "non-profit, non-partisan" Climate & Environment Weekly, CSPP's email bulletin that keeps track of why climate change is not the problem many make it out to be.

But if you want to find out who funds FF's climate change program, you won't find out by checking their website or annual report. However, over at ExxonMobil's website you'll discover that the CSPP was established in 2002 with a $100,000 grant from the world's biggest oil company.

ExxonMobil is so supportive of FF that in the last five years it has invested another $617,000 of shareholder cash to promote "informed discussion" on climate change issues.

They've also been active in "Hands Off the Internet," the astro-turfing group that fronts for AT&T and the other telephone and cable companies fighting against Net Neutrality. And in fighting  a pro-consumer effort in the Minnesota legislator that "would guarantee customers accurate information about billing and service area coverage." They've also been neck-deep in the recent debate over the Air Force's huge tanker contract, weighing in on the side of Boeing.

Looking into that deal, and the "public policy" groups involved in the process, the Washington Post noted:

Welcome to that special place where business and Washington intersect, where things often are not what they seem and keeping track of the players and their motives is as hard as following the aces in hands of a cardsharp... The companies have engaged top-shelf public relations specialists, opinion shapers and former military officials who now serve as their consultants. And they have enlisted vocal and sometimes stealthy support from policy and nonprofit groups, endorsements that carry the aura of integrity.

Which brings us smack dab back to telco amnesty and the fight over the FISA bill. What was true for the Northrop/Boeing contretemps is true for the fight for amnesty these groups. For all the urgent and inflammatory rhetoric about national security; for every group with a noble sounding name like Defense of Democracies, or Frontiers of Freedom, this fight is about corporate power and influence over the public good.

A group like Frontiers of Freedom has no higher concern than how well the pockets of its cronies are lined at the public expense, and in the great Reagan economic tradition, how much of that lucre trickles down to them. And make no mistake, their efforts are geared toward one key goal: electing Republicans to allow this cozy little system to be perpetuated.

That these groups exist and that they have undue influence on policy in a Bush administration is not great revelation. But any Democrat throwing their lot in with them to support the Protect AT&T Act should go in with their eyes wide open, and realize that in doing so, they are potentially sowing the seeds for their own potential defeat.

Furthering the aims of these organizations, of AT&T, of the Republicans at the expense of all else--little things like "First and Fourth Amendments to the United States Constitution, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act"--is a short-sighted and self-destructive path for any Democrat.

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  •  We have to dig in and do all we can to win this.. (16+ / 0-)

    Even if it means going against the Democratic Party. If there's no liability for corporations, then they can run amuck to their hearts' content and we just have to suck it up.

    This is crucial, and I'm glad you guys are all over this one.

    •  That's the whole point of "better Democrats" (21+ / 0-)

      and what we're trying to do here with our efforts in the Congressional elections. We need more primaries against bad Dems and we need better Dems to provide the backbone to the rest of them.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by mcjoan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:13:54 PM PDT

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      •  Nice work Joan (15+ / 0-)

        You've been doing a great job of staying on top of the whole FISA fiasco and keeping us informed. And this piece just ties in some more loose threads that provide a wider perspective.

        Thanks and keep at it...

      •  A Kirsten Gillibrand consituent here-MUST READ (5+ / 0-)

        KIRSTEN IS FANTASTIC.  You what we mean when we talk about "more and better Democrats?  We mean Kirsten.

        You know what makes her great?  She's incredibly accessible.  She holds tons of meetings for people to attend throughout her district all of the time, on all of the issues the peopels care about here.  

        When she voted on the last supplemental bill which funded the war through Semptember, she didn't go and hide.  THAT NIGHT, she appeared at an open public forum and took all the crap that people had to say to her, she answered all of the questions from her heart.  Yes, in this instance she came down, just barely, on the wrong side of the fence, but she can be moved because she actually listens and doesn't use her staff as a front group.

        When you talk about the phrase, 'more and better democrats', she is the one you are talking about.

        When the shitty anti-Kirsten Gillibrand bullshit commercials started appearing, she sent out and e-mail asking us to send her letters and calls of support into her office.

        Let's remember that this women is THE NUMBER ONE person on the Republicanhit list, since she took Drunkie McSweeney frat boy's seat.  Her opponent is SELF FUNDING, meaning, able to try to buy the seat.

        The second time they started with the attack ads, I got a hastily and poorly written e-mail of the "supporter as ATM" type from her financial guys.  Truly annoying.  I spent about three minutes and wrote her Campaign Finance director what I thought of Capaign Finance Directors who treat their mailing lists as ATMs, and what a long term thoughtful, multi-tiered approach would look like, ground up, from the netroots.  And told him to never, ever use my e-mail as a fundraiser for lazy assed campaign finance directors again.

        Well, you know what happens send these things in...the recipient hits the delete button like your e-mail contains the some sort of contagious form of venereal disease.

        Except not with Kirsten's folks.  I got an interesting response form her CF Direcotr, Ross Offinger, AND and apology, along with an explanation of their thinking in shooting out a quick e-mail fundraiser.  /and when did I get this response? EIGHT MINUTES AFTER I SENT MY E-MAIL TO THEM.

        Eight minutes.  So when you talk about more and better democrats to support, THIS is what we are talking about.  People who listen to the people who put their asses in those seats in Congress.  And listen to them on a regular basis.

        Subverting the dominant paradigm every chance I get. And I get a lot of chances.

        by Casey Morris on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:58:25 PM PDT

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    •  Leahy and Conyers are asking us to send emails (1+ / 0-)

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      to our senators and/or write to local papers.

      From their "Fix FISA" campaign site:

      [The House bill] was a tremendous accomplishment -- and would not have been possible without the hard work of engaged citizens. Together, we have already sent 1,724 letters to the editors of newspapers in support of a fair FISA bill!

      But there's still much work to do.  Now that the House has passed a fair FISA bill, it's time to turn our attention back to the Senate.

      Urge the Senate to support the House’s strong and balanced FISA bill -- forward an email to your Senators now!

      Go here to send a mail through their site:
      http://ga3.org/...

  •  They think they can escape our scrutiny... (4+ / 0-)

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    but it won't work here at dkos, hopefully it won't in the broader public space either.

    •  sometimes I wonder (4+ / 0-)

      because, really, you'd think the media would be majorly pissed off, and all over a story that shows how they've been manipulated ad nauseum by the Bush White House and the Pentagon, and instead, not a peep from the big media about the way the Pentagon pretty much embedded ex-officers with the media the way reporters were embedded in units during the invasion of Iraq.

      So, the FISA fight, the Protect AT&T Act, i don't really hold out much hope that the media will care for the details.

      Especially when they have the Hindenberg-esque slowly but inevitably imploding campaign of Hillary Clinton to obsess about. Who wants to work when the fireworks ar right there for anyone to look at?

  •  Another exceptional piece of FISA journo, mcjoan. (14+ / 0-)

    As a college student and writer, I've learned a tremendous amount from your careful, reasoned and solid FISA pieces.

    Thank you so, so, so much.

  •  Hoyer and Rockefeller (8+ / 0-)

    are two problematic Democrats we should be targeting for replacement.  Is it too late to primary Rockefeller this year?  I'd hate to have to wait until 2014 to get rid of him.

    Maryland's primary has come and gone.  We threw Al Wynn out this year.  Let's get rid of Hoyer in 2010.

    McKinney/Clemente 2008: Parties that sell out the Constitution don't get my support or my vote.

    by simca on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:16:12 PM PDT

  •  I'm Shocked, Shocked (3+ / 0-)

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    To discover that our two choirboys, Steny Hoyer and Jay Rockfeller, have questionable ties to the Telecommunications giants.  

    Say it ain't so, Joe.

  •  Haven't we had enough shit from AT+T ? (4+ / 0-)

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    They really ought to join our side in this, or they can play it to lose again.

    These guys are always on the wrong side of the law argument. Even their trade association says the lawsuits should go forward. We should go after the real culprits: BushCheney!

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

    by ezdidit on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:24:54 PM PDT

  •  Another reason to swallow (0+ / 0-)

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    the $350 de-activation fee and get out of our AT&T cellular contract.  We did have cingular but since they were bought out by AT&T I've wanted to switch.

    Anyone know if Verizon is on the right side of this?  I asked the salesperson about it and got what I think is a good answer, but could use a reality check if possible.

    Eyes on the Prize - JedReport

    by juslikagrzly on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:26:52 PM PDT

  •  They have nothing to fear. The rule of law (4+ / 0-)

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    will take them down a few pegs, just as soon as we win the Presidency, the Congress and the Senate.

    What an anachronism...they can cede power and deal with law, or they can keep on fighting and losing and lose their power heroically in our own "fight to the death.'

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

    by ezdidit on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:29:18 PM PDT

    •  My oh my. I wish I had your confidence. (1+ / 0-)

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      Too old and jaded, I guess. I don't think anything's going to happen to any of the fuckers who turned this country into a fascist state. Maybe I need an antidepressant or something, but even though I back Obama, I haven't heard him make any significant noises about pursuing justice for the myriad crimes committed by the Bush administration (which isn't through yet) and its cronies. That's one reason I initially backed Edwards. He's a fighter. Maybe we can have him as AG, and he can pursue criminal charges against the bastards who fucked this country to serve their clique.

      "A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government....President Bush has repeatedly violated the law for six years." Al Gore

      by psnyder on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:54:22 PM PDT

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      •  The real problem for the new progressive majority (1+ / 0-)

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        will be how to disallow the legal process from proceeding.

        And somehow, I don't think that any Democrat will want to weigh in against "frivolous" lawsuits brought by private citizen organizations.

        "The wheels of justice grind slow"...etc. And it may take a few years until the process is depoliticized, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some of this go before the Supreme Court, for whatever SCOTUS is worth.

        "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

        by ezdidit on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:26:14 PM PDT

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        •  I don't understand (0+ / 0-)

          your first statement, "how to disallow the legal process from proceeding." Help?

          "A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government....President Bush has repeatedly violated the law for six years." Al Gore

          by psnyder on Mon May 12, 2008 at 05:05:30 AM PDT

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          •  government leaders are as complicit as a (1+ / 0-)

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            criminal conspiracy. They are all in it together. Even good, so-called progressive congressmen can't avoid trying to be friendly with their co-conspirators.

            When they get elected, politicians are in business to stay in business. They do not want to prosecute their political enemies. Look at the shit that McCain buried in the incompetent Abramoff investigation! It would have been unseemly but for his tacit promise not to go after the Democrats (nor the Republicans, of course) who were part and parcel of Abramoff's various scams.  Witness Wasserman Schultz refusing to campaign against Republican opponents in neighboring counties even though that is her job as party whip.  Even Obama has offered to pay off Clinton's sizable $20 million campaign debt.

            I wish I could believe that it is not us against them, but it apparently is, and change only comes from the bottom up. It is outrageous.

            "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

            by ezdidit on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:39:48 AM PDT

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            •  Thanks for the clarification. (0+ / 0-)

              Unfortunately, my view pretty much coincides with yours. We're up shit creek in a wire boat.

              "A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government....President Bush has repeatedly violated the law for six years." Al Gore

              by psnyder on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:47:17 AM PDT

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  •  I'm glad that you're reporting on this. (11+ / 0-)

    During my summer interning at the Center for American Progress, I met up with a friend of a friend who works for Berman and Company. As the big beers flowed, we argued about Richard Rorty and liberty. But she repeatedly told me that she was selling her soul at this front group for corporations. Another Berman employee at the drink fest, although a lesbian, tried to defend working for Rick Santorum's campaign. She sat there, with her partner who works for the National Parks system, talking about how they'd like to have children, but can't due to the political climate.  

    The fact is that it was eye opening to me as a twenty-something to see how the right wing and corporations not only set up front PR orgs, but through money convince their employees to fight against their own self-interest.

    What's happening with the telecoms strikes the same notes for me.

    One cannot reduce terror by holding over the world the threat of what it most fears. -Wendell Berry

    by carpenterale on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:43:38 PM PDT

    •  You could make an interesting diary out of this. (0+ / 0-)

      If you have the time!

      "A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government....President Bush has repeatedly violated the law for six years." Al Gore

      by psnyder on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:55:52 PM PDT

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  •  Is it legal? (0+ / 0-)

    To run ads against Congresspersons without disclosing donors?

  •  An astroturfer named "Mr Wallop"? (4+ / 0-)

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    Dickens would be proud.

    Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

    by Fatherflot on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:44:12 PM PDT

  •  I feel very badly for AT&T Employees (10+ / 0-)

    who would dearly love to work somewhere else, but can't take the financial risk. Especially those who purposely get their phone & data services from other sources even though they could get employee discounts for using their own company's services. Not that I'm saying I'm one of those people. Heavens, no. No AT&T employee in their right mind would say anything negative about the company online. Not with all those eyes lurking about.
    Hypothetically, of course.

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    "Don't Piss Down My Back And Tell Me It's Raining" / "When the other side has you talking their language, they've got you." - G. Carlin

    by Helzapoppin on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:44:52 PM PDT

  •  Donate to Tim Walz. (4+ / 0-)

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    He's a first-term Democratic Congressman in a district, MN-1, which can go either way.

    http://www.timwalz.org

  •  mcjoan (7+ / 0-)

    ...in connection with intelligence activities that were initiated following the events of September 11, 2001.

    Have those suits been updated to reflect that the bolded section is indeed another fiction, based on the Oct. 13, 2007 WaPo story about Quest's former CEO Nacchio's allegations about the government and a NSA program, plus the Bloomberg story by Andrew Harris (June 30, 2006) about NSA seeking US call records before 9/11?

    I'm sure this was the best info when filed, but this has changed in the interim.

    Thanks for the report. I think these astroturf groups need stickers like grocery products declaring their original source of funding.

    And if FoF comes out of Wyoming, we know who that pipeline connects to, if not exactly how that is managed. Yet.

    "But their gift is an empty snake, Carrying hypocrisy in its mouth like venom" - Sami Al Hajj

    by walkshills on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:54:27 PM PDT

  •  "every group with a noble sounding name" (4+ / 0-)

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    These people know their marketing.

    -- We are just regular people informed on issues

    by mike101 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:58:53 PM PDT

  •  No surprise here (2+ / 0-)

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    Of course it stinks to high heaven, but what doesn't about the  FISA expansion/telecom amnesty battle?  This administration and the Republican party are corrupt to an unprecedented degree, but so are plenty of Democrats, going all the way up to the House (Hoyer) and Senate (Rockefeller and Reid) leadership.

    More and BETTER Democrats is the only practical solution.  Sure, both parties are corrupt, etc, but they're the only game in town, and we've got a lot better chance of preserving the Constitution if more, and more progressive, Democrats are elected, than if we let the Republicans win out of a surfeit of purity.  

    "At least the war on the environment is going well."

    by RenMin on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:00:50 PM PDT

  •  Let me guess: Mr Wallop's a Repuke?! n/t (1+ / 0-)

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  •  Advice from Deep Throat.:Follow the Money (3+ / 0-)

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    It Stopped Presidential Excesses 30+ Years Ago and It will stop them again.

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:10:03 PM PDT

  •   I hope this thread is bumped at some point... (6+ / 0-)

    ...it's too important to be pushed off the No. 1 spot on the front page with only 36 comments.

    I vote for re-posting it tomorrow.

  •  Democrats: Understand this NOW or Lose (7+ / 0-)

    Helping AT&T, BushCo and the Frontiers of Freedom will lead to your political/business/personal demise soon or sooner.

    You are a tool, and any promises they make to you they  will not keep.  
    They will laugh and spit in your face after you have given them what they want and then they will destroyed you...and you will lay bewildered as they then destroy what is left of our Democracy.

    ...make no mistake, their efforts are geared toward one key goal: electing Republicans to allow this cozy little system to be perpetuated.......
    But any Democrat throwing their lot in with them to support the Protect AT&T Act should go in with their eyes wide open, and realize that in doing so, they are potentially sowing the seeds for their own potential defeat.

    In a nut shell....Do the JOB you were elected to and swore to: PROTECT the Constitution!

    I am calling my Senators and Representatives and letting them know exactly how I see it!

    At the core of the human spirit there is a voice stronger than violence and fear - S. dianna ortiz

    by Rachel Griffiths on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:18:31 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for this one,mcjoan... (4+ / 0-)

    if there was ever any doubt about what's actually going on...

    ~Doc~

    -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

    by EquationDoc on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:20:24 PM PDT

  •  McJoan! (7+ / 0-)

    Your work on this topic is herculean.  Thank you.

    (BTW, my Republican Superfriends episode about telecom immunity is finally complete.)

    I reject, renounce, and repudiate this comment.

    by DCLaw on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:23:40 PM PDT

  •  Great work. Important. (3+ / 0-)

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    How to keep up with action though...I'm wondering if there is a Congressional roll call I missed somewhere that can be used for a voters guide...I'll look...

    HR 676 is the best health reform proposal worth my vote.

    by kck on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:54:33 PM PDT

  •  Strange indeed! (0+ / 0-)

    I don't understand why these Dems would support big telcoms. Better to support people like Mr. Kapor and Mr. Wozniak who are funding our people powered class action lawsuit right to have telephonic conversations with anyone we want to, particularly those overseas who we discuss people power with and should not fear the Rethugs listening in on our conversations. I do not know why Rep. Hoyer and Sen. Rockefeller would be in bed with these Big Telcoms. Mr. Kapor and Mr. Wozniak have given the maximum to Sen. Obama in addition to funding this class action to provide us our people powered rights to file suit agains telcoms. Makes no sense! Thank you Mr. Kapor and Mr. Wozniak and shame on you Sen. Rockefeller and Rep. Hoyer!

    People power = LGBTQ marital rights = OBAMA '08!

    by kevinspa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:19:09 PM PDT

  •  Maybe (0+ / 0-)

    These Dems want to win the election.
  •  Change the dialogue (0+ / 0-)

    First, it is time for us to define the lexicon.

    Part of AT&T's vigorous defense and fight for amnesty appears to be the deployment of a well-known right-wing "think tank,"

    This is a misnomer. They are not a "think tank". They area propaganda tank. We need to call it out. People are misled and manipulated by the inaccuracies of our lingo.

    Second,

    But any Democrat throwing their lot in with them to support the Protect AT&T Act should go in with their eyes wide open, and realize that in doing so, they are potentially sowing the seeds for their own potential defeat.

    Potentially? Let's be clear. The motives and subsequent behavior of these individuals is unprincipled and contemptible. There should be NO doubt that retribution is certain. Every effort should be made to remove them. No bargaining, no flexibility, no forgiveness.

    THEIR BEHAVIOR NOT ACCEPTABLE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!

    Until we make that message clear, expect Hoyer, Rockefeller, and there ilk to continue the dirty dealings. They don't give crap one about you and me. They deserve no latitude and no respect.

    "My dad was a sailor on the ocean. He knows all about the ocean. What he doesn't know is why he quit being a sailor and married my mom." (James, age 7)

    by Kairos on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:37:21 PM PDT

  •  AT&T, Hoyer, and FISA (5+ / 0-)

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    This is excellent work, McJoan. If only the Times would pick it up. Hoyer once was quoted to say something like he thought that the price of renewing FISA would be to give in on telecom immunity! And he has stuck to it ever since.

    I work for CREDO Mobile/Working Assets, which has fought against telecom immunity since the very beginning. If immunity can be granted for this particular act of law breaking, then a similar effort will be made to grant it for all the contractor crimes in Iraq.

    Most democrats simply think that their constituents do not care about this issue, so why not take the PAC cash and work on other matters. It is up to us to let them know that we do care.

  •  Conspiracy Theories (0+ / 0-)

    Er, I mean "Business as Usual".

    Sorry to drag everyone away from the corporate mass media depiction of these mysterious political events, the standard coincidence theory that is our national anthem.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:09:48 PM PDT

  •  The First Law of mcjoandynamics: (2+ / 0-)

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    In any process the total truth of the universe remains constant.

    The corollary: If truth goes missing, mcjoan will find it.

    I always thought I worked a lot down on the farm. Hell, I'm a trust fund boy compared to you:)

  •  I could understand Hoyer selling out (0+ / 0-)

    but Rockefeller? How much money does he need? He must be involved in something those suits would uncover.

  •  Top Flight Reporting Mcjoan (1+ / 0-)

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    rhutcheson

    It ;ooks as if we have some more names to look for in Steny and others contributions records.

    The key questions will ultimately be, Does this country still have what it takes to restore Democratic values to this country, or will they continue to allow things swept under the rug in the name of Healing the country ?

    Even the Liberal Bloggers/Lawyers seem to believe no one will ever end up punished. This narrative must change.

    President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

    by SmileySam on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:08:49 AM PDT

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