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Hillary's Out. Now What?

Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:50:24 AM PDT

Lately just for kicks I've been heading over to HillaryClinton.com to check out what folks are saying on her blog.  This morning I went over and found that blog comments are down.  Way down.  The top two entries had two comments each.  Older entries hovered around 200-300 comments. It seems that Team Hillary is slowly but surely losing steam.
Last week, in the wake of the May 6 primary results, we saw many Kossacks writing diaries calling for reconciliation between Obama and Hillary supporters.

Less than a week later, those calls are starting to seem moot. Kicking Hillary's campaign when it is down but still trying to land body blows on the Obama campaign is one thing. Now it's starting to feel like kicking sand in the face of a 98-pound weakling.  Which leads to a real dilemma: what am I going to do with myself now that Hillary-bashing is about as lame as roller-disco?
The sad fact is, McCain bashing just doesn't have the same thrill.  With his hunched shoulders and his beady, desperate eyes that have witnessed things no human should ever have to see, attacking McCain feels like dissing my once-angry grandpa who gradually mellowed with age and spent his seventies whistling under his breath while crafting shell animals in a retirement community in Florida. Yeah, I know McCain still has plenty of pee and vinegar in him, but every time I look at him I can't help but wonder how he looks at night when his dentures come out.

My dad is the same age as McCain, and if you stood them side by side you might mistake McCain for my father's dad, or at least his older brother.  In fact, my dad's real 86-year-old older brother, who recently died of Altzheimer's disease, looked more like McCain's contemporary than my dad did. Lots of people enjoy making jokes about how old McCain is, but I just find the whole enterprise rather sordid and pretty sad.
SO what am I going to do to pass my time? I guess I could start doing my laundry again, instead of spending hours on the computer dissecting the campaign and blogging my little fingers to the bone.  I could start registering voters and making phone calls. And even if I don't enjoy eviscerating McCain's foibles, soon 527 groups and other McCain surrogates will no doubt enter the fray and cry out for satire.
Still, I must admit that I will miss Hillary and her top campaign flaks--Ickes, Wolfson, and especially Mark Penn, who could always be counted on to spin any fact counterclockwise to within an inch of its life as a sign that the tide was turning in Hillary's favor. As hard is it is to believe, I think I'll miss him most of all. I haven't had such fun trashing political figures since Bush and Co. burst upon the scene eight years ago.
There is one stubborn fact interfering with my moving on with my life, however--I can't start missing Hillary until she actually goes away....

Update: Well, lots of interesting comments on this one.  I guess people have not gotten the key point that it has been kind of fun to point out the foibles and contradictions of Hillary's campaign (esp. some statements by Hillary and her supporters) because she hasn't been winning.  Maybe I shouldn't have laughed but I did.
I am a veteran of several presidential campaigns starting with Reagan v. Mondale and found them ferocious but not terribly fun. Yeah, we made jokes, but it was generally just gallows humor to keep our spirits up. My experience around general elections has been mostly depressing. The one exception to this?  1996. The reason? Bob Dole: war hero and super-lame opponent.  This was shaping up to be another '96 election until SOMEONE in the Democratic party (not saying who) decided it was okay to divide the party in order to mount a last-ditch effort to win the primary. I'm frustrated because I shouldn't have to attack McCain.  He does such a fine job of it himself.  

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  •  I never spent time trashing (8+ / 0-)

    Senator Clinton, so I don't need a new hobby.

    "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

    by TomP on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:54:12 AM PDT

  •  This negative and gloating comment.. (6+ / 0-)

    will not help the blogasphere and the party heal...not helpful

    Which leads to a real dilemma: what am I going to do with myself now that Hillary-bashing is about as lame as roller-disco?
    The sad fact is, McCain bashing just doesn't have the same thrill.

    But I am sure you feel better now...so that is all that matters...

    Peace...Go Democrats!!!

    Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:55:35 AM PDT

  •  Let's Kick BOTH Hillary and McCain (2+ / 0-)

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    Cali Scribe, simca

    I hate warmongers. They deserve it. Youtube video:

  •  If expressing my disgust with Hillary (0+ / 0-)

    Clinton's campaign tactics over the past few months (at least since February) amount to Hillary-bashing, then I guess I'm guilty even though I don't feel guilty.

    I've also expressed how I tended to support her when she first began her run for the nomination even though I had decided on John Edwards as my choice.  But when Edwards dropped out I had to make a different choice, and considered as fairly as I could the differences between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.  The choice became a no-brainer for me:  Support Barack and oppose John McCain.  Hillary's pretty much a non-issue to me now.

    If we're not willing to boldly refute the lies, the lies will stand as truth. (-6.75, -6.72)

    by cn4st4datrees on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:01:23 AM PDT

    •  JMHO... (1+ / 0-)

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      llamaRCA

      Hillary and her tactics were the best thing that could have happened to Obama...she single-handedly...

      1. Galvanized support of Obama by AA's
      1. Sharpened his message and attack responses
      1. Added 10 layers of teflon to his armor coat for the GE

      I wish that John Kerry had someone during the primary season that attacked his war record...if so we would have had POTUS Kerry

      There is one thing to admit you bashed Hillary there is another thing to say you enjoy Hillary bashing more than McBush bashing...that is just wrong...

      Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:08:39 AM PDT

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  •  Sorry, I've always found mocking (4+ / 0-)

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    Hannibal, moose67, smash artist, llamaRCA

    Republicans (including John McSame) much more satisfying than doing the same to Dems (and,  yes, Hillary is a Dem).

    John McCain - Practicing the old style of politics for the past 72 years!

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:02:36 AM PDT

    •  Me, too, until 3 months ago (0+ / 0-)

      I used to like and admire Hillary Clinton until her campaign spun out of control. I think it has been easier to focus on the primary than the general because beating McCain is a daunting task.

    •  Disagree (0+ / 0-)

      I hate the rats in our own house more than the Republican rats.

      McKinney/Clemente 2008: Parties that sell out the Constitution don't get my support or my vote.

      by simca on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:08:48 AM PDT

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      •  He may have been a Republican, but Lincoln (0+ / 0-)

        said it best;

        A house divided against itself cannot stand.

        John McCain - Practicing the old style of politics for the past 72 years!

        by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:11:53 AM PDT

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        •  Don't care (2+ / 0-)

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          audiored, notksanymore

          Sooner or later we must address the issue of the traitors in our own party, or Ralph Nader will end up being right about there being no difference between the parties.

          McKinney/Clemente 2008: Parties that sell out the Constitution don't get my support or my vote.

          by simca on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:13:30 AM PDT

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          •  If you want party purity.... (0+ / 0-)

            we will have the best pure progressive Democrats in the Senate (40 of them) and the best pure progressive Democrats in the House (175 of them) and you will be proud of each and every one of them as they go down fighting on each and every policy debate...you can get in a circle with them and sing songs as the country passes more and more RW conservative agendas...you need to embrace that we have a diverse country that is a pluarlty of moderates not majority Progressives or Conservatives...so then the question becomes do you want the pluarlty of moderates to vote for Democrats so you can govern or force them to vote for Republicans so they can govern...your choice...

            Peace...Go Democrats!!! (all of them)

            Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

            by dvogel001 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:18:36 AM PDT

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            •  Strawman, (0+ / 0-)

              there's quite a bit of difference between calls for party unity and calling out shills that are selling out America.

              •  The problem is that many (0+ / 0-)

                who call out party shills who are selling out America are calling for not supporting Blue Dogs in Red districts because they are not progressive enough thereby giving the governing majority to the RW Republicans...

                Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

                by dvogel001 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:05:24 AM PDT

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                •  True enough... (0+ / 0-)

                  But maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous asshole taking people to task for very legitimate concerns and desires for change.  The DLC has been a disaster for our party and we should do everything we can, over time, to get rid of these folks.  We should also work hard trying to change the sentiment in these red districts.  Nothing drives me up the wall more than those democrats who guilt others into voting their way through "lesser of two evil" arguments.  Give a fucking positive argument, don't make people feel powerless and like they have no options or alternatives.  Every time I hear variants of that argument I want to take my ball and go home because it makes me think the party believes it can take my vote for granted.  I suspect many feel this way.  After the last 16 years the democratic party is hanging on by a tiny thread.  There's every possibility that it could implode if things keep going the way they're going.  Enough with bullshit loyalty oaths, they only piss people off.  Okay, enough with my rant...  Sorry, you just have no idea how much lesser of two evil and loyalty oath arguments piss me off.  Hopefully you aren't using these against Clinton supporters as it's a sure fire way to get them to stay home.

                  •  I am all for primary anybody that you... (1+ / 0-)

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                    Philoguy

                    or any other Kossack believes is to conservative for their district...in the end it strenghens their GE electoral prospects and puts the rep on notice that we the people are watching...

                    Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

                    by dvogel001 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:45:28 AM PDT

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                    •  Apologies for flying off the (0+ / 0-)

                      handle.  The loyalty oath thing really drives me up the wall.  I do believe that with these new technologies we're living in historic times.  For the first time in decades we really have the power to change the entire country.  Not only has our power to respond to ideologically driven media narratives grown exponentially, but we now have the power to organize and raise money in ways that make us real players in this game rather than passive pawns to politicians who are in the pocket of corporate lobbyists.  Dean, Lamont, and Obama have been a significant and terrifying message to the Washington establishment because they've all been instances of people powered politics that plays by a very different set of rules.  Dean and Lamont might have lost, and it's possible, though implausible, that Obama will lose.  However, in each instance of these struggles against decadent and entrenched power, we've gained more momentum.  This is why they're angling to regulate the internet.

            •  Not a matter of purity (0+ / 0-)

              It's a matter of accountability -- holding representatives of our party accountable and forcing them to meet minimum standards or face guaranteed loss of support.

              I'm an independent.  I don't give a flying fuck about the Democratic Party per se.  All I care about is getting good government and a progressive agenda.  Any Democrat who is in line with that goal is fine; any Democrat who would rather play footsie with Bush is the same as a Republican to me.

              One example: I am rooting for Republican challenger Kennedy for the Louisiana senate seat.  Mary Landrieu is no different from a Republican, so with that being equal, I'll come down on the side of getting rid of the incumbent.  

              McKinney/Clemente 2008: Parties that sell out the Constitution don't get my support or my vote.

              by simca on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:31:29 PM PDT

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      •  That is not how we win elections in Nov... (0+ / 0-)

        Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

        by dvogel001 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:14:25 AM PDT

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      •  I have felt this way too (0+ / 0-)

        but we need to move on so Repubs won't divid and conquer us.

  •  Really get into the issues... (1+ / 0-)

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    ZappoDave

    Not like McCain sucks....but looking at complexities.

    Take Universal Health care.  Do we include treatment for unattractiveness?

    O.K. lets get to the details:

    A nose a bit too large

    Too narrow lips

    How about clef palate

    Or someone very short, how short, when do we allow for growth hormones for children.

    Yeah, no clear line on this and many other issues.  And  to believe it will be worked out....sure like the peace process in Israel.

    This and thousands of other real issues could be addressed, but our mood is one of competition, beat the shit out of the other candidate.

    I don't know whether we could change gears even if many of wanted to try.

  •  Well McCain does... (0+ / 0-)

    ...have short arms. He can't even scratch his belly.

    //drum roll//

    McCain bashing is hard, he leaves the door open so often you feel kinda bad walking through it all the time. You just have to keep trudging...

    John McCain has a plan to help homeowners that he made up ALL BY HIMSELF :\

    by Gut Check on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:05:58 AM PDT

  •  Obama vs McCain debates (2+ / 0-)

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    dallasdave, llamaRCA

    Will be Obama and the moderator taking turns helping McCain out correcting mistakes.

    "No sir, I think you meant to say Sunni there"

    "Sir? You said Badr army and I think it should be Sadr"

  •  Maybe you could start (0+ / 0-)

    studying for your driving test, or your SATs.

    Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Two Days per Bottle.

    by dhonig on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:15:18 AM PDT

  •  Bash Republicans. Torment the 21 percenters. (2+ / 0-)

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    polecat, llamaRCA

    Tell Republican jokes:

    Q: How many Republicans does it take to change a lightbulb?

    A: They can't. One of them stole it.

    Ah, but does the Buddha have cat nature?
    --dallasdave ca. 2008

    by dallasdave on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:25:18 AM PDT

  •  Attack the Republican Veep(s)... (1+ / 0-)

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    llamaRCA

    Or all of the members of the "short list," especially any one that has possible legs.

    We want to make sure that their ticket is crippled from the start.

    Since the likelihood of the Veep becoming President is at an all-time high (given the age of McCain, for whatever reason he might "retire, resign, or other"), it is imperative that they find a Quayle or Agnew or other highly damaged anchor for McCain.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    -Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:43:17 AM PDT

  •  not sure i follow the premise (0+ / 0-)

    of this diary.

    I don't know anyone who campaigned for the thrill of bashing Hillary. That is wasted time and energy. Our time is much better spent talking up Sen. Obama and the positives that his presidency will bring to this country.

    -7.38, -5.23 "Though the storm may be raging, and the billows tossing high, Lord I feel like going on."

    by CocoaLove on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:58:18 AM PDT

  •  Hillary deserves bashing (0+ / 0-)

    She is evil.

    Hillary = Palpatine
    -2.75/-1.38

    by jkddude on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:21:15 AM PDT

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