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What do we tell our Daughters???

Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:10:55 PM PDT

...And sons…??

Many years ago, in the heat of a bygone election, I was listening to the news on my car radio while driving my son to his daycare.  During a newsbreak in the music, one of the Presidential candidates came on and made a patently ridiculous statement. To be honest, I don’t even remember what it was. But I do remember my young son looking up at me with open eyes and asking… “Dad, did that man just tell a lie?” I remember how I felt as I tried to compose an answer for my child, who had yet to learn about the ugly in the world, about leaders and presidents who tell lies.

With the Democratic Primary winding down and the calls for Hilary to exit becoming increasingly loud and more frequent, that memory caused me to reflect upon this moment. While Hilary lost me (and my vote) somewhere South of New Hampshire, I have come to realize that, despite how I might feel about the race, this is really an important teaching moment. One we shouldn’t simply throw away in our election exuberance. As a single father, I know first-hand how precious and rare these moments are and how valuable they are to our kids.

Two things strike me about this moment – Hilary’s tenacity and the campaign tactics.  While both are  important, they evoke different reactions, but the lessons they teach are intertwined.

As to Hilary’s tenacity and her refusal to quit - I was, at first, among those who advocated that she leave the race ASAP. But on asking myself, “what would I tell my daughter”, I realized that the lesson I would want to impart is just the opposite. If I were talking to my daughter, or my son for that matter, I would be saying – “don’t ever give up or stop giving your best until the last whistle blows!”

When my son was younger and engaged in team sports, there were times when his team fell behind early in the game. Sometimes they were down by so much that there was no way to catch up. During those games, his coaches always told the team to play hard until the last whistle. (And every so often, they would find a way to win despite the odds.) That’s a message that I always tried to reinforce after the game was over. “Don’t quit on yourself or your team, son! Give your best until the game is over!” That’s an important life lesson, one surely that most of us would all tell our children and want them to take to heart. And for those of us adults, as we cheer and moan our way through this contest, we need to realize that our daughters and sons are watching what we do, not just what we say. And we need to be be mindful, especially of the young women and minorities who are watching history being made here by the first Woman, African American and Mexican-American presidential candidates. The children and teens who are drawing new inspiration and self confidence from them. For those young folks we need to reinforce Hilary’s right to compete as hard as she can until that last whistle.

Which takes me to the second point… How we win is important!

The reason most often given for wanting the primary contest to end “Now!” is the tenor and tone of the campaign. Agree or Disagree about who was first or last, the fact is that the contest and comments by some of the participants, has been at times, ugly and in some cases divisive. And the fact that Hilary both has a right to and imperative to compete aggressively until the last vote is cast, does not mean that she should surrender ethics or good sportsmanship in that effort. What I would tell my daughter is that “how you win is as important as the win itself!” Because winning, in and of itself, is less important than maintaining and sustaining your morality and character. Winning dirty diminishes both the winner and the win!

Politically speaking, I see little purpose for Hilary remaining in the race, but life is about much more than politics. And while undoubtedly some young women or men currently watching this campaign will be inspired and motivated to enter politics in the future, in truth they will be in the minority. But the lessons to be learned here are valuable ones which all of our children will benefit from. So as we argue and advocate through what remains of this contest and the general election, it would behoove all of us to remember what we will tell our children at the end of the day.

I know that the examples given are not the only valuable lessons to be learned from this historic contest. There are equally important lessons to be learned about racism and sexism, as well as about class and culture and our inter-connectedness. These too are important lessons that every parent and teacher should ponder and use to teach our children about how to live their lives now and in the future.

But the lesson we should learn from our children is - that it ain't all about the game, or about who wins and who loses - it's about how we live our lives!

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  •  Tell your kids... (11+ / 0-)

    ... that if you're playing softball, and the score is 99-0 in the 4th inning, the game is over.

  •  Prepare to read some amazing things... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...in which people say things to their children about "this woman" vs. "all women" that they'd never imagine saying about "this black man" vs. "all black men."

    -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

    by Rich in PA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:12:49 PM PDT

    •  Wow...that's a tad harsh. (1+ / 0-)

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      You've added a racial qualifier for him, but not for her.

      I would vote for a woman.  In a heartbeat - if I thought she was the most qualified candidate.

      But I don't think Hillary is.  And so telling a child that you won't vote for "this woman" for whatever reason is no different than saying you won't vote for "this man" because...

      Had I thought JRE was the best candidate, I'd have voted for "this man."

      I have a hundred reasons for not voting for Hillary and none of them are because she's "a" woman - she's "this" woman, and that's enough.

      And you'd probably hear the "this black man" vs. "that black man" argument if there were 2 candidates running, don't you think?

      We...join arm in arm and decide we are going to remake this country block by block, precinct by precinct, county by county, state by state - that's what hope is.

      by DemocraticOz on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:38:55 PM PDT

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      •  I support Barack Obama (2+ / 0-)

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        but I never supported Jesse Jackson -- while I appreciated what he had to say, I felt that he was just too much of a lightening rod for the right-wing.

        I would never support a Presidential candidacy by Condi Rice or other Republican women -- does that make me anti-woman? On the Dem side, I would not support Dianne Feinstein for President...but I would likely be towards the front of the line to volunteer for a Barbara Boxer candidacy.

        It's about picking the person you feel is right for the job, regardless of his/her genital plumbing, color of skin, or other trivialities.

        "Old soldiers never die -- they get young soldiers killed." -- Bill Maher

        by Cali Scribe on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:14:05 PM PDT

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  •  Tell your kids (3+ / 0-)

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    It doesn't matter how anyone else plays the game or if anyone else wins or loses, what matters is that they play true to their own hearts.

    The vote is "Basic Democracy #1". YOU must preserve it. -edscan

    by BoiseBlue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:14:32 PM PDT

    •  What if their hearts say, "Cheat"? (0+ / 0-)

      There are a lot of kids who truly believe now that winning is the only thing.

      It's not just, "Play until the last whistle blows." It's "play fair!" That has been the unerring playground cry from time immemorial.

      The other players now the first law is to "Play fair." The second is "Hang in there." And the third is, "Don't be a spoilsport."

      Usually what the parents on the sidelines say is supposed to be ignored. Or have playgrounds changed that much?

      Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. -The Histories of Herodotus, Book 7, Ch. 49

      by Louise on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:45:48 PM PDT

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  •  Tell then"Integrity is always a better choice,not (3+ / 0-)

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    put-downs for every circumstance."

  •  teach your daughter (6+ / 0-)

    the importance of honesty, values and integrity.  Things I am sure you will do anyway.  Tell your daughter that the first woman with a credible chance of winning the presidency is losing because she is not being truthful with the american people.  Tell your daughter if she is honest, and lives her life playing by the rules, she can go far in life.

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -Plato

    by Snickers77 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:16:35 PM PDT

  •  Thank you. (3+ / 0-)

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    I enjoyed reading your post.  My 5 year old son is the only Hillary supporter in the family.  He loves her and, although I have always been a strong supporter of Obama, I like the fact that he already thinks a woman can be president.  After the dust settles, I do hope her historic campaign will be good for the young (as is Obama's).

    I hope you don't mind if I suggest your readers visit NARAL and post a thanks for endorsing Obama.  They are getting pretty beat up by Hillary supporters and it might be nice for them to get a pat on the back from Obama supporters too.

    http://www.blogforchoice.com/...

    Work Hard, Laugh Often And Keep Your Honor. That's The Secret to Life. Tim Russert

    by MomDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:16:50 PM PDT

  •  What would you tell your daughter? (2+ / 0-)

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    That Hillary Clinton lost.  

    That's what I told my daughter.  

    What's with the double standard?  She shouldn't quit even though she's running a sleazy, racially divisive campaign because she's a woman?  

    Bleah.  That's not a lesson I want my daughters learning.  That's about weakness, not strength.

    McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

    by Sun dog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:17:26 PM PDT

  •  Lovely thoughts...... (1+ / 0-)

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    and posting on this site shows the respect that you have for the readers.  

    How to teach a child about the difference between lies and exaggerations is a tough one, something jurists, pundits and philosophers have grappled with for a long time.  But bringing a young person into the conversation can only be valuable.

    We focus mostly on the failings of our country and our political system, which perhaps is the only way we can improve it.  But we happen to have a wonderful heritage, a gift for every American, the tradition of open and free discourse.

    And no where is this more important then in selecting national leaders.  It's tough to find the balance between partisanship and defending the process, whether you are seven years old or seventy.

  •  Tell them life is full of coincidences (0+ / 0-)

    It's just a coincidence that the only time a candidate with consensus support and a clear path to a Democratic presidency was set upon by a combination of fellow senators, the media, and a grab-bag of disgruntled Republicans and Naderites, that candidate was a woman and the opponent was a man.

    -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

    by Rich in PA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:20:58 PM PDT

  •  This primary season has been a great catalyst (2+ / 0-)

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    for discussions with my son about rules and methods of winning.

    He knows who I support. The person I support is not the same person his father supports. I am quite even-handed in my explanations of the positions of all three remaining candidates with him, but I also go out of my way to explain things like the MI & FL rules, because he sees the subject come up so often.

    This weekend he will canvass OR with me. Not because I'm making him -- I gave him the choice. Because he wants to, and he can speak to the points all on his own.

    He wants NCLB retooled so that he won't have to spend all of fourth grade learning which bubbles to fill in on a standardized test. He wants to spend more time in the library and in the music room.

    He wants the soldiers to come home from Iraq and for the soldiers in Afghanistan to have the help they need to be effective there (he gets this from not just me but from his veteran uncles and cousins).

    He wants American to use less oil. In this I am shamelessly an example; I bicycle more often than I drive, we take the bus instead of driving downtown, and he knows that every time we use oil we're giving money to other countries that are, in some cases, hostile to us.

    He wants a President elected who follows the rules and treats his opponents fairly, even if his opponents are mean to him. He sees in Obama's campaign the principles he internalizes in aikido.

    To him, it's not about gender -- he has me as an example, he knows that women are strong. It's not about race, and that's something he doesn't comprehend but takes me at my word about -- he has more friends who are of mixed race and heritage than white friends, and he doesn't get why people make decisions about other people based on what color they are.

    All of this from a 7 year old boy. They're never too young to know the truth with all of its nuances.

    Thanks for an outstanding diary -- you are teaching great lessons.

    You're in debt and completely fooled that you can look in the mirror and objectively rank your wounds --DCFC

    by Saska on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:21:27 PM PDT

  •  Tell 'em there's a reason refs stop boxing (1+ / 0-)

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    matches. Sometimes the fighter's heart exceeds their strength. That's a great and impressive thing, but nobody wants to see someone who has obviously been beaten to the point of exhaustion continue to fight and risk serious injury. There's probably a further analogy in here about injury to the Democratic party...

    Ah, but does the Buddha have cat nature?
    --dallasdave ca. 2008

    by dallasdave on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:23:56 PM PDT

    •  i don't think that's very inspiring for a girl (0+ / 0-)

      Heart exceeding strength?  Not good.

      •  Respectfully disagree. Maybe the boxing (0+ / 0-)

        analogy isn't great, but having so much strength of character that you keep trying to the point of severe personal injury is a gender neutral tragedy(as HRC is demonstrating). I've seen triathletes, female and male, keep going to the point of sunstroke, life-threatening dehydration, or severe joint injury. Fortunately, in most cases friends, fellow competitors, or contest officials act to protect the athlete's health.

        The life lesson is live to fight another day rather than be a kamikaze.

        Ah, but does the Buddha have cat nature?
        --dallasdave ca. 2008

        by dallasdave on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:44:43 PM PDT

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  •  Tell herHillary ran on experience Obama on change (3+ / 0-)

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    It was a fair contest. Older people wanted experience, younger wanted change.  Change won.

  •  Thirty or forty years ago (1+ / 0-)

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    during the big cultural push for women's rights and all the resistance to it, Clinton's behavior would have reflected badly on women's apirations.  

    But we've come far enough that no one seems to think Clinton represents all women.  That's progress.  Unlike Obama's situation, wherein he still has to convince people that all African American people do not represent his beliefs, and he does not represent the beliefs of all African American people.  

     

  •  I don't have a daughter or a son (1+ / 0-)

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    But I liked this diary.

    I would add one more thing I would tell my son or daughter. Never count or rely on your gender (or the color of your skin, your religious affiliation, etc. ) as a reason why people should give you something.

  •  Be sure they understand.. (1+ / 0-)

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    ...that people should not live their lives nor should they play sports as if they were vying for political success in an often-underhanded process that has been created and perpetuated mostly by men for hundreds of years in this country.

    I loved the example of good sportsmanship told in the story about Sara Tucholsky.

    In the case of Sarah's team, some sports diehards would've been red-in-the-face angry to see what they perceived as the game and the championship being thrown away for sportsmanship's sake.....

    ...which leads me to what would and could be a wonderful lesson for our children to have learned from this heated primary season:

    Because so many party leaders seemed almost afraid to make solid decisions and because they seemed so hesitant to take clear responsibility in a timely manner for so long in guiding their party toward a solution that could've minimized ugly party division and avoided all of this unnecessary anxious rancor among Democrats, the two candidates and their respective campaigns took matters into their own hands..became the King Solomons because there were so few in party leadership... and agreed to run on one ticket together. They'd heard enough when they heard a leader like Ted Kennedy running Hillary's aspirations into the dirt. It was time for great leaders to lead. The baby was saved from being cut in two when the campaigns decided to see theforest for the trees and work together rather than fighting one another and pretending that either of them, in reality, had a clear enough margin of voters to say that the other should not have rated VP. Voters for both candidates were happy except for a minority of bellicose and bad sports.

    May 14th:
    Most Democrats Back Obama-Clinton 'dream Ticket'

    Democrats say 63 - 34 percent that Clinton should stay in the presidential race.

    By a 60 - 33 percent margin, Democrats say Obama should pick Clinton as his vice presidential running mate.

    I wouldn't run Mrs. Clinton's character down to my children. She's been our Senator for a while and my teenage son thinks she's competitive and smart. I happen to agree.  

  •  I disagree (2+ / 0-)

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    My child was taught that if his own need over rode the good of others than his needs needed to be put aside in a healthy enviroment.
    Grace can be taught when we teach our children how to lose as well as win.

  •  Tell your daughter (0+ / 0-)

    To be mousy and subservient, because America can't stand assertive women.  And tell your daugter to vote no on any war.  Because war is wrong.

    •  WTF?!? (0+ / 0-)

      Women can be strong and have class at the same time. Clinton doesn't seem able to be able to posess both characteristics at the same time.

      As to war, well, his daughter should vote her conscience - not make calculated decisions based upon the likelihood of a future run for anything - how about that?  

      Stupid, pointless wars are wrong.  Voting for them when you don't even read all the facts available is wrong.  Not apologizing for mistakes is wrong.  Refusing to be accountable for actions is wrong.

      "What Washington needs is adult supervision." --BARACK OBAMA

      by broui on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:19:32 PM PDT

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  •  I got a kid coming any day... (1+ / 0-)

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    I don't know the sex.  We're doing it old fashioned-like.

    Here's what I plan to tell the child - it's very similar to the diarist's excellent, courageous, insightful commentary:

    ANYONE can be president now because of the historic runs of both Obama and Clinton.

    From Obama, we can admire his courage, his work ethic from way back in childhood coming from near poverty, his inner strength, and most of all his class both when he wins and more importantly, when he loses.

    From Clinton, we can admire her tenacity and her vision.  We can also admire her courage in that here is a woman of her generation who stood up in the face of sexism and rose anyway.

    But I would caution my child as well about what things we can learn from her that cost her, what I believe may have been her undoing.  

    As an English teacher and lover of Shakespeare, I always go to my favorite line from my favorite play, "Hamlet".  Recall, anyone who didn't live by this code died.

    "To thine own self be true."

    I would argue that Hillary Clinton lost sight of who she was somewhere along the line.  She lost sight of what made her want to serve in the first place.  Barack didn't and this is why we believe him to be genuine and why he will be our next president.

    "To thine own self be true."

    Wiser words were never spoken.

    "What Washington needs is adult supervision." --BARACK OBAMA

    by broui on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:15:07 PM PDT

    •  Let's hope Obama is not a Hamlet... (0+ / 0-)

      and can make the very hard decisions that in actuality are always compromises.

      Best of happiness with your child, born into a world where his/her gender will not be a template of limitations.  

      •  i wish that were true (0+ / 0-)

        While we have come a long way in equality, we are not close to being equal.

        •  Yeah... (0+ / 0-)

          Gender, beauty, brains, race, religion, family wealth....

          Everything is both a gift and a burden to a child.  And you will be blamed for everything that goes wrong. And it is a lifelong responsibility.

          A joy and sometimes, sadly, much pain for his/her suffering.

          Something that only someone who has never experienced this can fully appreciate.

          Good Health to you both.  

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