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Wanda Gibson Fears Obama Because He Is Black.

Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:55:45 PM PDT

America is having to confront the reality of racism's persistence. I think that's a healthy thing. Consider this AP report. A partial transcript is below.

REPORTER: Just saying Obama's middle name is enough to make Shelby Sugg feel uncomfortable.

SUGG: Not even in my mind, I don't. I don't like the "Hussein" thing. I've had enough of "Hussein."

REPORTER: Undecided voter Wanda Gibson is less than excited about both Clinton and Obama. But she actually fears Obama because he's black.

GIBSON: I guess because he is another race. It — I'm sort of scared of the other race because we have so much conflict with them.

Then there's the Washington Post's report yesterday:

"The first person I encountered was like, 'I'll never vote for a black person,' " recalled Ross, who is white and just turned 20. "People just weren't receptive."

[...]

They've been called racially derogatory names (including the white volunteers). And they've endured malicious rants and ugly stereotyping from people who can't fathom that the senator from Illinois could become the first African American president.

[...]

One caller, Switzer remembers, said he couldn't possibly vote for Obama and concluded: "Hang that darky from a tree!"

[...]

One Pittsburgh union organizer told her he would not vote for Obama because he is black, and a white voter, she said, offered this frank reason for not backing Obama: "White people look out for white people, and black people look out for black people."

[...]

On Election Day in Kokomo, a group of black high school students were holding up Obama signs along U.S. 31, a major thoroughfare. As drivers cruised by, a number of them rolled down their windows and yelled out a common racial slur for African Americans, according to Obama campaign staffers.

[...]

The bigotry has gone beyond words. In Vincennes, the Obama campaign office was vandalized at 2 a.m. on the eve of the primary, according to police. A large plate-glass window was smashed, an American flag stolen. Other windows were spray-painted with references to Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and other political messages: "Hamas votes BHO" and "We don't cling to guns or religion. Goddamn Wright."

[...]

At Scranton's annual Saint Patrick's Day parade, some of the green Obama signs distributed by staffers were burned along the parade route.

[...]

In a letter to the editor published in a local paper, Tunkhannock Borough Mayor Norm Ball explained his support of Hillary Clinton this way: "Barack Hussein Obama and all of his talk will do nothing for our country. There is so much that people don't know about his upbringing in the Muslim world. His stepfather was a radical Muslim and the ranting of his minister against the white America, you can't convince me that some of that didn't rub off on him.

"No, I want a president that will salute our flag, and put their hand on the Bible when they take the oath of office."

[...]

According to Seifert, the woman pointed to Obama's face on Seifert's T-shirt and said: "He's a half-breed and he's a Muslim. How can you trust that?"

[...]

"It's not his race, because I got real good friends and all that," Cox continued. "If anything would keep him from getting elected, it would be his name. It might turn off some older people."

Like him?

"No, older than me," said Cox, 66.

And of course, Pat Buchanan today, as yesterday, the day before, and the entire campaign season:

Barack Obama was one of them. West Virginia, Hillary, was one of us.

[...]

If Barack Obama were not an African American he would have been beaten by John Edwards. He would not be the nominee. It is far more of a positive for him, not only in the African-American community, but with the Chris Matthews' of the world and in the liberal suburbs far more than it is a negative.

It's not just the n-----s who are the problem. It's the n-----lovers who are enabling them.

Now, as vile as all this is, I think it's a good thing that we hear about it. Hearing about it does not strengthen it. There are far more people who are outraged by this than there are people who, otherwise egalitarian, would be convinced to "become a racist" after hearing these completely unappealing figures speak. And hearing about it forces us to address it. It will continue to exist whether we hear about it or not. But hoping that racism will die quietly does not do anything but allow the comforting mythology that America has exterminated racism to persist and prevent the opportunity to actually exterminate racism.

What do you think?

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Do you think we should hear about racism in mass media?

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  •  Tips for confronting racism. n/t (37+ / 0-)

    Prof. McCain
    By Iraq, is Pakistan near,
    While Czechoslovakia's here.
    Sunnis are Shi'a,
    Sudan is Somalia,
    and Putin's the German premier.

    by Michael D on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:55:03 PM PDT

  •  Some votes aren't winnable (10+ / 0-)

    I think Wanda Gibson's vote might be winnable, believe it or not. It's obviously a long shot.

    The woman who's "had enough Hussein" is a different story, I'm afraid.

    •  Maybe if she just shortened it, (4+ / 0-)

      to, oh, say, "Barack Obama."

      Or even "Mr. President."

      Low-Information: it's the new Stupid
      -7.12/-5.95

      by MooseHB on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:07:40 PM PDT

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    •  Agreed . . . (6+ / 0-)

      Gibson seemed completely honest in voicing her opinions -- I didn't get the sense of any maliciousness or mean-spiritedness.  It sounded like her daughter was the one too who was willing to vote for Obama.

      •  But true racists don't always (7+ / 0-)

        see is as a malicious thing.  And that makes it even more insidious.

        None of these people will ever vote for Obama over McCain. Fortunately, regardless of what Hillary says, WV is not a swing state, so they can do as they please.  Maybe having a black president will teach them a think or two about race.

        •  I guarantee you... (7+ / 0-)

          guarantee you... Barack Obama could win Wanda Gibson's vote in a 5 minute conversation. Lots of people still don't know a damn thing about him, haven't listened to him for any length of time. A family member of mine who once asked me if the black kids I teach are "dumber" than white kids voted for Barack Obama.

          There are some who will never vote for him - I can't deny that - but there are more who MAY vote for him if he can reach them.

        •  Why are the West Virginians who do not vote (0+ / 0-)

          for Obama racists, but the Blacks who overwhelmingly vote for Obama in every primary not racists?

          •  Because most trolls live under bridges (2+ / 0-)

            and they are not even homeless.

            Personal Freedoms: Born 1215. Wounded 2001. Died 2006. Resurrected: 2009

            by OHdog on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:40:21 AM PDT

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          •  Voting in an interest of overcoming oppression (1+ / 0-)

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            is quite different that voting in an interest of restoring oppression. In my book, anyway.

            Prof. McCain
            By Iraq, is Pakistan near,
            While Czechoslovakia's here.
            Sunnis are Shi'a,
            Sudan is Somalia,
            and Putin's the German premier.

            by Michael D on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:12:50 AM PDT

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          •  For the same reason (2+ / 0-)

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            Michael D, DrJeremy

            that 90% of African American voters were not racist in voting for Al Gore in the primaries.  Black voters have been voting for white candidates for years - even against black candidates, like Mike Steele in Maryland.  White voters are the ones who seem to have trouble voting for black candidates, and 25% of them are admitting they voted based on race.

            That's why.

            •  There is a difference between a Democratic (0+ / 0-)

              primary and a general election.  If you look at past primaries, I will bet the black vote was not 90% for one candidate.  Also, let's discount Mosley Braun and Al Sharpton, they were never considered electable.  Now that Obama is the first black candidate with a serious chance, he is getting over 90% of the black vote in a primary.  Not that it is wrong, but if we are going to call West Virginians racist, let's call the black Obama vote racist also.

              •  No. (0+ / 0-)

                These black voters you're talking about vote for white candidates, as you point out. But these white voters we're talking about, who literally spell it out for you — "I'm sort of scared of the other race," "I'll never vote for a black person," "Hang that darky from a tree!" — these are racists who will not vote for a black candidate.

                Prof. McCain
                By Iraq, is Pakistan near,
                While Czechoslovakia's here.
                Sunnis are Shi'a,
                Sudan is Somalia,
                and Putin's the German premier.

                by Michael D on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:37:05 PM PDT

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    •  But according to the media (10+ / 0-)

      it's Obama's fault, his "weakness" that he can't reach out to and garner the vote of people who think him inherently inferior and thus sub human.

      "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

      by Sansouci on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:11:43 PM PDT

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      •  I think one thing we're going to discover (4+ / 0-)

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        Michael D, aitchdee, pgm 01, MooseHB

        as this race comes to a close and the general election starts....

        Many of "those people" actually think worse of Bush. Hatred of President Bush could be the key to settling centuries of racial animosities. =)

      •  Well, they need something to talk about. (5+ / 0-)

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        Michael D, aitchdee, mayim, MooseHB, Tricky

        I guess the fact that Dems haven't won the "working class white vote," since Johnson isn't interesting enough for them.

      •  Why are the West Virginians who don't vote for (0+ / 0-)

        Obama racists and the Blacks that overwhelmingly don't vote for his opponents in every primary not racists?  Do they see Hillary as sub human?

        •  West Virginians themselves (3+ / 0-)

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          Michael D, DelRPCV, princss6

          in exit polling have articulated that race was a factor in their voting decision. Interview after interview and anecdote after anecdote from Obama volunteers reveals this to be the case. Friends of mine that volunteered in Western PA for OBama (they are Black) where subject to racist language about Obama. If you recall Blacks were supportive of HRC by over 30 points until Iowa and South Carolina. If Blacks voted only along racial lines for national and statewide offices we would never vote. If Blacks voted only along racial lines, Alan Keyes, Al Sharpton and Carol Moseley Braun would have had a better showing in 2004. Blacks voted 90% for Al Gore and 88% for Kerry, so I don't want to hear any equivocation between the racialized decisons of whites in WV and the consistent voting patterns of Blacks in these primaries.

          "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

          by Sansouci on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:41:37 AM PDT

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          •  I am not talking about Gore or Kerry. (0+ / 0-)

            Hillary proves the point.  In the past she has gotten black support, now that there is a black running against her, she gets minimal black support.  I am not saying this is good or bad, I am simply saying you can't ignore the fact that there is a racial element to Obama's support.  You do not need an exit poll to figure it out, on its face it is racist.  So lets stop criticizing West Virginians because they voted for the white candidate unless we are prepared to criticize black voters for voting for Obama.

    •  Hussein means handsome in Arabic (5+ / 0-)

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      Michael D, aitchdee, elliott, Melchuck29, dawnt

      I believe it roughly corresponds to Alan in English. Our number system is Arabic and no one has suggested we get rid of it. Why do people get so hung up on this crap?

      •  Because they're stupid fucking racists n/t (2+ / 0-)

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        Michael D, jennybravo

        It's not complicated.

        I haven't forgotten The Path to 9/11, Disney. You're still dead to me.

        by beemerr on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:06:39 PM PDT

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        •  And what are the blacks who overwhelmingly (0+ / 0-)

          vote for Obama in every primary?  Are they non racists?

          •  What were Catholics who voted for Kennedy? (1+ / 0-)

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            Michael D

            If your primary or only reason for voting or not voting for someone is race then you are a racist, pure and simple. Blacks rightly take pride in Obama as being the first black man to make it this far in the run for the presidency, as Catholics took pride in Kennedy being the first Catholic to actually win the Presidency and the second to be nominated. Ethnic pride is entirely separate from racism and we should all be proud of our heritage. However, it's wrong to believe that our heritage makes us better than others. It is not only wrong, but not in our best interests, to vote for someone purely on the basis of ethnicity. The job of President is too important to base our decisions on cosmetic differences. We must always vote using the individual's qualifications to serve. Looks, hair, teeth, and skin color are all non-contributing factors in that decision.

            •  I think you are splitting hairs in your analysis (0+ / 0-)

              that Ethnic pride is separate from racism.  A black vote for Obama due to ethnic pride may as well be a racist vote against the white person running against him.  You can perfume a pig, but it is still a pig.

              •  I think you are confused (2+ / 0-)

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                Michael D, SciVo

                First of all, you don't vote against someone. You vote for the candidate you support. If you are voting against someone, chances are you are voting for the wrong reasons, possibly racist reasons. Secondly, there is a big difference between ethnic pride and racism. Suppose you are of Irish descent and you celebrate St. Patrick's Day. You are so proud of your Irish heritage that you wear your "Kiss Me, I'm Irish" button and you jokingly tell people that there are only two kinds of people in the world - the Irish and those who wish they were. This is ethnic pride. It does not mean that you hate Italians or think that you are better than them. If you did, that would be akin to racism.

        •  I would suggest that name-calling is not (0+ / 0-)

          going to help the problem.

      •  Fox News and the GOP (2+ / 0-)

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        Michael D, MagisterLudi

        feed off ignorant people.  Now we know why Republicans hate public education.  

        Here's the new smear they're peddling on Fox News:

        Bigots digging up Trinity’s "Trumpet" magazine which features cover photos of African-American Chicago leaders such as Obama, pastor Wright and Farrakhan. One ballsy Clinton supporter begged people to email this article to the DNC and send Hillary a donation too!
        http://noquarterusa.net/...

        •  With all of these posts calling the people of (1+ / 1-)

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          MagisterLudi
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          elliott

          West Virginia racists because they did not vote for Obama, why is it not fair game to look at the racist view of Obama's church?

          •  For the same reason you are not a racist (2+ / 0-)

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            Ahianne, SciVo

            merely because you may have racist friends, family, or associate with racists. For the same reason that being from West Virginia does not necessarily make you a racist. We belong to a church for a variety of reasons, many of them social. Our friends go to that church. Our family has gone to that church. Trinity is a prominent black church in Chicago. You have to remember that although Obama's father was black, Obama was raised as a member of a white family. He knew virtually nothing of his black roots. He had no experience as a member of a black community. It's almost as if he were adopted and was curious about his real family. Half of his real family was black and he had no knowledge of them. In joining the Trinity church, Obama was seeking his lost identity. He was finding his way in the black community. Reverend Wright is, according to many people, a good man. He resents the way black people have been treated in this country, and rightfully so. His condemnation of America is to some extent justified, but shocking to whites. Blacks would have heard these arguments many times from many sources. Obama most likely would not. He was not raised in a black family. Trinity was probably Obama's first real exposure to how the black community felt about many issues. Obama says he disagrees with Pastor Wright's views, but I would submit that knowing those views makes Obama better qualified to deal with the problems of racism. Many whites live in almost complete isolation from blacks and we do not know or understand what black anger is all about. Obama was criticized at first for not being black enough. Obama represents a bridge between the races and a hope for a day when race will truly not matter. I think it is important, in fact vitally necessry, that he got involved in the black community and heard the words of Reverend Wright. We need to listen to some unpleasant things and deal with some unpleasant facts before we can resolve the problems of racism. I am glad that Obama had the opportunity he did at Trinity.

  •  There are far more of us than there are of them (18+ / 0-)

    And many Americans hate the Republicans so much that they will find rationales to vote for Obama even if his skin color scares them. And some will even find that they have changed their minds about race when this campaign is over.

    But the stone-cold racists? They are an ever-shrinking minority, and soon will have no influence on America or its policies. They are the past; we are the future.

    Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. -The Histories of Herodotus, Book 7, Ch. 49

    by Louise on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:01:01 PM PDT

    •  Please Louise (3+ / 0-)

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      Michael D, SBandini, SciVo

      cut and past this post to every diary dealing with Obama's so called problem or racism and bigotry in America. I say its not just his problem but all of ours. The war on racism will not be won with rhetoric but by attrition. I will be reminded of your post the next time I chose to respond to the apologists out there who want to make excuse for this kind of ignorance.

      "Give me where to stand, and I will move the earth." Archimedes

      by dtruth on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:55:45 PM PDT

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  •  We'll have to do what we can to educate (7+ / 0-)

    Those who at least appear to be receptive. Some are just a lost cause.

    You, sir, are a like a Hitler burrito, wrapped in a Mao fajita, with low-sodium Stalin sauce.| Strategy08.

    by turneresq on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:01:33 PM PDT

  •  Having a conversation about race is critical, and (9+ / 0-)

    although it's uncomfortable to acknowledge the racism that remains pervasive in our culture, the attention the media is focusing on it serves to foster communication.

    Racism is, after all, nothing more than fear based on ignorance.

    "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." JFK - January 20, 1961

    by rontun on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:03:40 PM PDT

  •  I'm glad it's coming out too (12+ / 0-)

    I was talking about this with my dad yesterday.  There are so many people saying something like this in the past few months:

    My family member/friend/coworker, who I never thought had any problem with race stuff, has made comments concerning Obama that made me realize, they do have a problem with racial issues!

    Conversely, there are many conversations in black America like this:  Can you believe a black man actually won in Iowa/Virginia/Utah/Maine/Wisconsin or can you believe a black man has gotten this far in the presidential race?

    Maybe the gap between where black America and white America see how far we've come and how far we still have to go will decrease because of this election.

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:04:26 PM PDT

    •  Then that conversation Obama talked about on 3/18 (6+ / 0-)

      Can finally begin.

      Low-Information: it's the new Stupid
      -7.12/-5.95

      by MooseHB on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:10:03 PM PDT

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    •  It's shocking, isn't it? (4+ / 0-)

      To hear someone you think you know suddenly say something racist? My grandfather, for example. At Christmas, we were playing Taboo, the game where your teammate gives you clues about a word without using the "taboo" words on the card, and then you respond with every guess you can think of. My grandfather gave me:

      Mammy. Black mammy. On a rocking chair. On a porch.

      Whatever happened next, I think I blocked it out. I believe I eked out "plantation?" after rejecting every other possibility as either something I wouldn't say, something Hasbro would not put on that card, and/or both. I have no idea what it actually was. I'm not playing word association games with grandpa again.

      Prof. McCain
      By Iraq, is Pakistan near,
      While Czechoslovakia's here.
      Sunnis are Shi'a,
      Sudan is Somalia,
      and Putin's the German premier.

      by Michael D on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:11:31 PM PDT

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      •  Don't be so afraid (1+ / 0-)

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        Michael D

        Think of the scene in Fletch Lives, where Fletch daydreams about owning Belle Isle.  Think of the entirety of Blazing Saddles.  Imagery, even that with a racist history, is unavoidable.  What's not unavoidable is our ability to take away its power, by owning it and recasting it in our new chosen frame.

        I have a horrendously racist advertising poster, presumably from the first two or three decades of the last century, where two black men (black wouldn't even be the accepted terminology yet), father and grown son, are lighting up pipes filled with delicious Bull Durham tobacco, after a long morning hunting possums and other Disney lovables, while the younger's own son looks on in astonishment at the wealth of additional animator models still to be blasted to smithereens.  The men have all the racial features of caricatures of the time, and it would seem that the target market for this ad would be African-Americans of the time (though certainly not identifying as 'African-American' at that time, or for some time to come).

        Why do I have this poster (prominently hanging above my basement mantle)?  Because I think the caricature is funny?  Because I think AA people are inferior?  Because I like the frame?  No.  It's because I like having a reminder that there was a time that it was not only practice, but acceptable preferred practice, to use such caricature to not only portray blacks so ludicrously, but to do so in order to sell them addictive inhaled drugs.

        My guess would also have been 'plantation.'  Then, 'Uncle Remus.'  That's the fun thing about Taboo, you have to use thinking and phrasing that is seemingly increasingly taboo to play successfully.

        Maybe 'sharecropper.'

        Low-Information: it's the new Stupid
        -7.12/-5.95

        by MooseHB on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:27:46 PM PDT

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      •  Grandpas are embarrassing! (3+ / 0-)

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        Michael D, beemerr, SciVo

        When I was a teen we were at a resturaunt and grandpa actually snapped his fingers and said "boy" to the waiter in order to get his attention...I was absolutely mortified and stormed out...my father secretly applauded I learned years later...he was as disgusted as i was, but at the time was married to my mom who saw nothing wrong with it. Egad...I still get a stomach ache thinking about that time and that was 26 years ago.

  •  Ask them the following questions... (9+ / 0-)

    ...which I stole from an Opus cartoon a week or so ago:

    Is he a black man with a white mother?
    Or is he a white man with a black father?



    I agree with showing these ignorant bigots up for what they are.

    Mock the enemy. - Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals

    by CaliforniaDrySherry on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:07:35 PM PDT

  •  Racism and the mass media . . . (9+ / 0-)

    in reference to your poll, I think the AP reporter did an excellent job of covering the bases in a 2 minute report.  He was able to get a range of viewpoints -- including some Obama supporters in the state.

    Too many of the cable news reports tend to veer towards the most salacious and controversial side of things -- they don't always provide context even in cases where there absolutely needs to be some -- so for a subject like racism I have mixed feelings about there covering it.  They might do more harm than good.

    I am in favor of any kind of reporting though that challenges the prejudices of its audience.

    e.g. that kind of reporting keeps the audience from thinking about complicated topics in simplistic ways.

  •  LMAO at Andrea Mitchell. (5+ / 0-)

    She looks disgustingly uncomfortable.

    "Moving on, Pat..."

    I am not gay. I have never been gay.

    by MJJLWolf on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:14:45 PM PDT

  •  Oh there's going to be a lot of vouching (10+ / 0-)

    for the other guy's bad faith via anecdote.  There's 300 million people in this country, and billions of human interactions in this country each day.  But I am sure huge numbers of people will manage to lose all perspective.  And there is toxicity in cementing anecdotes into conventional cynicism, don't kid yourself.

    But I know there are more people of good faith than bad.  How do I know?

    Barack Obama is winning.

    PS - I also know that America hates the everloving shit out of the Republican Party, at historic levels of rage, and that nothing is going to change that anytime before the election.  I am sure huge numbers of blog posters and pundits will lose perspective on this as well.

    •  Can you give me an example (1+ / 0-)

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      MooseHB

      of what toxic cynicism would look like? Can you suggest a way to avoid it while still adressing the reality of racism's existence?

      Prof. McCain
      By Iraq, is Pakistan near,
      While Czechoslovakia's here.
      Sunnis are Shi'a,
      Sudan is Somalia,
      and Putin's the German premier.

      by Michael D on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:20:59 PM PDT

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      •  It looks like benign cynicism (4+ / 0-)

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        Except it glows a little and bubbles a lot.

        And it eats through metal.

        Low-Information: it's the new Stupid
        -7.12/-5.95

        by MooseHB on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:31:26 PM PDT

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      •  Sure (4+ / 0-)

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        Michael D, aitchdee, crankyinNYC, SciVo

        Someone who likes Barack Obama, voted/is voting for Barack Obama, isn't racist themselves, saying to another person that Obama won't win because there are too many racists, America isn't ready for a black president, all that stuff.

        It's invoking a talismanic power in The Other's bad faith.  It's cynicism-as-wisdom.  Pessimism in your fellow man, projecting the worst onto others' motives, whatever you want to call it.

        Occasionally it is self-flattery, as in the speaker him- or herself is of course evolved to the point where race isn't relevant, there are just too many others.  It's attributing to oneself a specialness that doesn't really exist.  It isn't special to not be a racist.  If you doubt this dynamic, keep it in mind every time you hear it discussed on TV.

        It is toxic cynicism when the cynicism itself takes on a life of its own and falsely multiplies the culture's sense of itself.  It doesn't mean you deny racism's existence.  But it does mean that when people talk about it they should emphasize perspective.  Right now the discussion is crazily out of proportion and perspective.

  •  Pukeanan is a motherfucker (3+ / 0-)

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    how much more bluntly racist could he be?

    John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

    by IhateBush on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:17:32 PM PDT

  •  Someday come to Man WV pop. 700..... (9+ / 0-)

    seriously you will learn a lot.  You can go fourwheeling on the Hatfield-McCoy trail.  I know both Hatfields and McCoys.  They have a family reunion and a softball game every summer, so some things can actually change here.  It is the back of beyond and very poor and run down.  And still they had one person who would vote Obama and don't  mention her at all.  Maybe she is the person who will do the effective campaigning, not you on the internet.  

    Now Wanda probably realizes she is a media celebrity- doubt if she knew how it would play over and over like the Reverend Wright when she gave that interview.  She might even start to have a little sympathy for the Reverend Wright at this point-assuming she googles herself sometime at the public library (we do have them).  It's called the Buffalo Creek Memorial Library and it does get the internet.  

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:19:19 PM PDT

    •  Matewan (3+ / 0-)

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      I thought about the Matewan battle and the interracial unionism of 1920. Mingo County voted 88% for Clinton. Seems ironic.  

    •  Is that library a memorial to the people who died (3+ / 0-)

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      in the Buffalo Creek mining disaster? Reading that book was a pivotal event for me.

      John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

      by dawnt on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:29:28 AM PDT

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      •  Yes- that was in Logan County.... (2+ / 0-)

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        there is a great exhibit on it at Chief Logan State Park with art therapy for the gried of losing all those people.

        People in WV are used to outsiders coming in when they want something and leaving when they got it.  Hillary and Bill were good for the economy, kept us out of war.  Obama is new to them.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:20:54 AM PDT

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        •  The quotes were not (0+ / 0-)

          "I'm afraid of new people," "I will never vote for a new person," and "Hang that new person from a tree!"

          Prof. McCain
          By Iraq, is Pakistan near,
          While Czechoslovakia's here.
          Sunnis are Shi'a,
          Sudan is Somalia,
          and Putin's the German premier.

          by Michael D on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:43:02 PM PDT

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          •  look.... (2+ / 0-)

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            nothing anyone can say or do will change Obama's race.  If someone hates all blacks- then there is nothing that can be done.  No reason for them to be part of the party.  But putting everyone in WV in the same boat and abandoning the state is not the way to go.  There are people here who don't know or trust Obama.  They didn't know or trust Jack Kennedy either or Catholics but he came and campaigned and won.  

            You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

            by murrayewv on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:50:55 AM PDT

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            •  I certainly don't think all West Virginians (0+ / 0-)

              think like this. I just don't want to sanitize actual instances of racism, because that feels like denial.

              Prof. McCain
              By Iraq, is Pakistan near,
              While Czechoslovakia's here.
              Sunnis are Shi'a,
              Sudan is Somalia,
              and Putin's the German premier.

              by Michael D on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:03:30 PM PDT

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  •  One Person; One Vote (6+ / 0-)

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    Goodness.  Those interviews of West Virginians is enough to make me want to re-think the ideal of one person; one vote.

    The woman that said "He's a Muslim" has been watching too much Fox News.

    I'd still like someone on the right to explain to me what exactly would be wrong with electing a Muslim as president without sounding like an obscene religious bigot.

    •  I've long thought (4+ / 0-)

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      that "He's a muslim" is simply a more acceptable substitute bigotry. I doubt it's believed by as many people as claim it to be true.

      Prof. McCain
      By Iraq, is Pakistan near,
      While Czechoslovakia's here.
      Sunnis are Shi'a,
      Sudan is Somalia,
      and Putin's the German premier.

      by Michael D on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:49:56 PM PDT

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    •  No one has veto power (2+ / 0-)

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      in America, he doesn't have to win them if he could win someone else. Perhaps talking about race would encourage some of us who generally don't vote to come and vote for him.

      Positive ideas are hard to defeat, but racism isn't a positive idea. We can go out and ask people to vote to take down the racial barrier, but no one, not even McCain, will be successfully promoting racism.

    •  It hardly even matters. (0+ / 0-)

      What are the Republican policies?

      1. Borrow & squander.
      1. Eliminate restraints on abusive big government and big business.
      1. Fearmonger & warmonger.
      1. Sloganeer instead of fixing problems.

      Is there even anything more to it? Not that I can tell.

      I also believe we must impeach Antonin Scalia for protection from his inhumanity.

      by SciVo on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:11:49 AM PDT

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  •  Fortunately (7+ / 0-)

    The Millenial generation is the most tolerant generation in history.

    A large percentage, perhaps even a majority of the Boomers are not racist.  

    However, with each passing day, the number of racists in our society decreases.

    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

    by davefromqueens on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:23:21 PM PDT

  •  This isn't white vs. black per se.. (7+ / 0-)

    This election represents the changing of the guard...from our racist past to more accepting present, where racial divides are blurred by new generations who have been raised in the shadow of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. It's sad to say, as I have some in own family, that the older generations of this nation will hold onto their belief that black is black, and white is white; no middle ground to be found. It is that generation of older white Americans who refuses to allow the civil rights movement to come full circle. We have seen, time and time again in this election the very people we thought to be progressives espouse some of the most inflammatory remarks. Case in point is G. Ferraro, who I believe did not think her remarks were racist...but that's the point, it is so ingrained in their being that even they are completely unaware of how their words sound to a generation that has cast racism aside.

    This election will be close, I have no doubt that racism will play a major role against Obama. Especially when you have the likes of Pat Buchanan, who today, put on display for all to see, his own un-apologetic racism.  However, I believe that with the movement of the younger generations becoming energized and willing to show up at the polls, people from my generation who are generally not swayed by racial polarization will trump some of the less progressive boomers and older generations who still believe in perpetuating the racial divides.

    While we should discuss the issue of racism as it still exists, we should also applaud those that have broken the chain of racism and live in the belief that it is not the color of ones skin, but the content of their character that counts.

    I for one live by that belief and will proudly be casting my vote for the most qualified candidate; Senator Obama (proudly defeying my middle-aged white demographic).

  •  These people are the real scary ones (2+ / 0-)

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    I've always been afraid of angry white people and what they could do in a mob situation.

    I'm mad as Gravel, and I'm not going to take it anymore!

    by ceti on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:28:18 PM PDT

  •  I think its high time the media shifted (7+ / 0-)

    the message and began to portray racism as unpatriotic, rather than casually endorsing it by featuring folks like Pat Buchanan, and playing on stereotypes.

    Their neutrality on this issue, versus their free outrage about others is a rather quixotic enactment of "objectivity".

    The Bush campaign, as well as the Clinton campaign, and McSame's campaign are all using this issue, stirring up racial divisions; the MARK PENN microtargeting strategy is hired to do exactly this.  This is amdist our own people; in other nations this is leading to genocide and ethnic cleansing.  This manipulation is clearly contrary to the founders' view of Democracy and article 10 of the Federalist papers talk about efforts to divide and polarize the populace for gain.

    These tactics have successfully squashed every effort to challenge the corporate domination of our electorate since the 1960's.  Psy-ops are being used on our own people.

    And Boobus Americanus is usually lured into voting against its own self-interest.  The candidate who is the most fresh, intelligent, and truly gets the role of corporations in raping our nation.  he happens to have darker skin and an Arabic middle name, and once again some Americans would rather have a stupid, phony, criminal like George Bush than an individual who genuinely cares about our nation and is not a crook.

  •  Racism is un-American (4+ / 0-)

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    It is at odds with our stated purpose for creating this nation - that all men are created equal. It is direct contradiction to our core beliefs. The fact that slavery was allowed to exist under our Constitution for the sake of political expediency is an unforgiveable sin which will forever haunt our nation. There can be no excuse for for still giving racists a pass to this day. A racist is someone who does not believe in the principles upon which this nation was founded. Such a person cannot even call himself an American. A racist cannot claim to be a patriot while harboring beliefs that every man is not his equal and deserving of respect and equal treatment under both the law and the social order. There is no way to reconcile racism with the belief that all men are entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. There is no way to reconcile racism with Christian beliefs either. Racists who claim to be patriots and Christians are neither. They are liars and hypocrites in addition to being racists. We tend to coddle racists as if racism were some minor transgression that can be forgiven. But racism is a serious character flaw that threatens the very foundations of our nation. It was not that long ago that black people were persecuted and even killed in this country because of the color of their skin. These criminal acts violated our basic beliefs and endangered our basic freedoms. The acceptance of racism allowed these intolerable acts to be committed. It is imperative that we expunge racism from our society and that we live according to our principles. Let's not make any excuses for racism any more. We must confront it in all of its forms and never allow this country to slip again into those dark days.  

    •  It does seem disappointing (3+ / 0-)

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      that people who are racist vote and forces our politicians and media to give unserved weight to their opinions.

      But that's the rule under one-person, one-vote. The population can choose a political leader that don't have the best interest of the population in mind, not just in the US too.

  •  After listening to Pat today, (2+ / 0-)

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    I decided to look up some old Richard Pryor because he was always so blunt about race as well as funny and low and behold look what I found on Youtube.... Enbeding was disabled so I could only post the link. I posted in Jed's diary because it was so depressing over there and I think on such a great night (Edwards endorsement) we all need a good laugh.

    President Pryor

    "Give me where to stand, and I will move the earth." Archimedes

    by dtruth on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:14:13 PM PDT

  •  I don't understand people who seem to think (2+ / 0-)

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    that black people are plotting a revolution behind their backs. That we have secret meetings in underground bunkers and Obama is just the beginning of a mass negro infiltration into the system.

    First Obama, then he hires a bunch of black people, fires everyone else and then...

    SLAVERY FOR WHITEY! PAYBACK BITCHES!

    I mean come on now white people!

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