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Will Dems Win or Lose in 2008?

Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:38:36 AM PDT

In david mizener’s excellent post he pointed to the defensive posture of the response by Democratic party leaders after Bush’s recent attack on Obama. We need many more posts like this to unlearn the defensiveness and fear decades of conservative attacks have ingrained in progressives in general and Democrats in particular. As a result of this defensiveness and even fearfulness, the Democratic reputation is not one of being FOR anything, only AGAINST things. If Obama and other Dem leaders are always on the defensive—not matter how "rapid" the response—citing etiquette or unfairness or dirty tactics, or simply issuing denials, John McCain will win. He will.

Now there are some good signs. Campaign for America’s Future tends to have a good sense of how to attack conservatives. They highlighted two articles with good headlines today

Bush's Global Failure Tour

President Bush's Political Treason

The body of these pieces, particularly the second, were still not as forceful as I would have liked, but they’re a fair start.

The best example I have yet seen of a strong progressive attack was Moveon.org’s General Betray-Us ad. It was hailed by Libertarian blogger Justin Raimondo (of Antiwar.com) as an example of moveon.org finally growing a pair. The ad caused a huge stink. It was a victory for us. George Lakoff explains why (his think tank Rockridge Institute is an invaluable resource even though they have recently shut their doors.)

MoveOn's "General Betray Us?" ad has raised vital questions that need a thorough and open discussion. The ad worked brilliantly to reveal, via its framing, an essential but previously hidden truth: the Bush Administration and its active supporters have betrayed the trust of the troops and the American people.

MoveOn hit a nerve. In the face of truth, the right-wing has been forced to change the subject -- away from the administration's betrayal of trust and the escalating tragedy of the occupation to of all things, an ad! To take the focus off maiming and death and the breaking of our military, they talk about etiquette. The truth has reduced them to whining: MoveOn was impolite. Rather than face the truth, they use character assassination against an organization whose three million members stand for the highest patriotic principles of this country, the first of which is a commitment to truth.

New York Times columnist Frank Rich, right about so many things, got it wrong when he criticized the ad in his Sunday column.

He overlooks the fact that the "distraction" he worries about has led the supporters of the Iraq occupation to endlessly evoke the Betrayal of Trust frame, identifying themselves with the Betrayer of Trust in that frame. The betrayers themselves took MoveOn's bait.

Thanks to their making it a national issue, we can now proceed to discuss their Betrayal of Trust on the national stage they have conveniently provided. The importance of this frame is discussed in "Betrayal of Trust: Beyond Lying" — Chapter 6 of Don't Think of an Elephant

Lakoff warns: Don’t fall into the "politeness" trap. Don't whine.

The Dem strategy must be factual and must draw clear distinctions between our values and conservative values (or lack thereof) and McCain’s utterly compromised values. But above all Democrats must be BOLD, and risk being rude. Grab headlines, take the spotlight, control the debate and hurl the GOP back on their heels. Yes, Republicans might be bloodied up a bit in polls and approval ratings, but we must deliver the knock-out blows ourselves. Take the fight to the enemy. This election won’t win itself.

Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive. Standing on the defensive indicates insufficient strength; attacking, a superabundance of strength. Sun Tzu

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  •  WTF? (6+ / 0-)

    excellent post he pointed to the defensive posture of the response by Democratic party leaders after Bush’s recent attack on Obama.

    I'll just use the words of one of those weak party leaders.

    Bullshit!  Malarky.  

    They're slamming the hell out of Bush, even Hillary didn't take the bait to lay into Obama for a change and laid into Bush like a real Democrat.

    McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

    by Sun dog on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:41:02 AM PDT

  •  The Dems in the House and Senate (1+ / 0-)

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    will have big wins.  At least 20 in the House and 5-7 in the Senate, and that is if McCain wins.

    The Prez race is more difficult to call.  John McCain is a very tough opponent who would probably won if not for W and the Repub brand being in the toilet.

    John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

    by IhateBush on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:41:07 AM PDT

  •  the right wingers (2+ / 0-)

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    don't have the time, money, energy, etc. to mount a successful campaign against an orchid.  unless and until fundamentals improve, they've got no legs to stand on.

    really, knees either for that matter.  while I am in general sympathetic to your P.O.V., in this case I feel the dems made absolutely the right response - timely, and with force.

    furthermore, dems are preferred on all of the top ten issues, and this election we stand for change and for healthcare reform and for a budgetary sensibility ... I'm really not seeing a problem with how we're framing things.

    so, good luck to the R's, but if they can't even win R +10 districts, they'll be lucky to hold 150 seats in the House and 43 in the Senate come inauguration.

  •  Just the opposite (7+ / 0-)

    Let me see if I understand you:

    1. You hated the response of leading Democrats to the President's speech yesterday.
    1. You think the Betray-Us ad is the model of what we should be doing.

    My feeling is just the opposite. Democrats were not defensive yesterday-- they were on the attack-- for the first time in a long time. I hope to see more of it.

    As for the Betray-Us ad, I think it substituted personal attack for a substantive discussion of issues.

    •  Not exactly (0+ / 0-)

      I didn't hate it, I was just disappointed. I'd reserve "hate" for Bill O'Reilly.

      But read the excerpt from Lakoff I posted. The attack had a purpose--it paved the way to talk about the issues. You have to get people's attention first with the properly framed attack, then you can start talking.

  •  Calling the GOPers on this is a fine strategy. (0+ / 0-)

    There is nothing wrong with pointing out that this is a cheap political stunt.

    It's a fine tactic; it's just not complete.

    Democrats shouldn't go on the offensive instead of issuing the types of denunciations we saw yesterday; they should go on the offense in addition to pointing out the craven, partisan, and offensive nature of those comments.

  •  Wrong (3+ / 0-)

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    You clearly have no idea how this was perceived by the vast majority of people. To most people the "Betray Us" ad seemed highly inappropriate, unpatriotic and juvenile. And what's worse, it gave the neocons exactly what they needed at exactly the right time...A left-wing punching bag.

    John McCain - Strange you can believe in.

    by Bitter Elitist on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:11:39 PM PDT

    •  Nods. The "Betray Us" ad was a mistake (0+ / 0-)

      if only because of timing. It was published before the sainted General took his seat and was sworn in.

      A lot of folks didn't like the idea of unloading on him until he'd had the chance to dig his own grave. And after the wagons were circled, it became nigh on impossible to criticize his testimony. What a shame that was, because there was much to criticize and question. Sigh.

  •  An appropriate response to GWB's latest (0+ / 0-)

    Would have been to point out Gates' and Rice's overtures to Iran, not to go "I am Shocked that there is gambeling in Las Vegas", which is what this amounts to:

    "That's exactly the kind of appalling attack that's divided our country and that alienates us from the world,"

    I support Barack Obama, and I approved this message.

    by mlandman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:33:57 PM PDT

  •  Win, (0+ / 0-)

    McCain: Running for Hoover's 21st term

    by Finck II on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:54:58 PM PDT

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