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The Past Warns The Future: Iran/Contra

Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:47:17 PM PDT

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana

There's a persistent rumor that George W. Bush, and congress' response to him, is no worse than what's gone before him, and that "Democrats are just as bad as Republicans". Perhaps it's time for some recent historical perspective.

First, a bit of background.

If Richard Nixon had not resigned, he would have been impeached for committing or ordering criminal acts. Articles of impeachment had been drawn up, the House Judiciary Committee voted to recommend articles of impeachment against the President: obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress. A group of GOP congressmen informed Mr. Nixon that if he didn't resign the papers would be served.

If Nixon hadn't been pardoned by Gerald Ford he could still have been prosecuted for those crimes. (Remember this when you consider the possibility of a John W. McCain Presidency, and his appointment of judges, prosecutors, and the Attorney General.)

As a direct result of the Nixon Presidency and his over-reach for more Presidential power, accompanied by a paranoid need for secrecy, voters who were disgusted by Nixon's actions and thoroughly disillusioned with the Republic Party elected Democrats.

Five More Democrats to the Senate and forty-nine in the House.

The FOIA was amended, increasing transparency in government, in response to Nixon's paranoid secrecy.

The releasing of recent income tax forms by the President, while not legally required, came to be expected.

In response to numerous examples of the President's staff destroying records, the Presidential Records Act was passed requiring the records of all Presidents to be released 20 years after they leave office.

All of these things enraged Dick Cheney, who has served in virtually every GOP administration beginning with Nixon. (He served under Rumsfeld in the Nixon administration, was Assistant to the President and later White House Chief of Staff under Gerald Ford. He was Secretary of Defense under President George H. W. Bush. And, of course, he's currently the Chimp in Chief's VP, enjoying a 16% approval rating.) It became Mr. Cheney's goal to "restore the power to the Presidency".

I'll come back to this, later. Let's get back to the subject line, now.

So, aside from destroying the air traffic controllers union, dismantling the ability of government to ensure that all sides are heard in the media (rather than those with the most money), and demaning Americans in general ("welfare queens" driving Cadillacs, kids being fed ketchup as a "vegetable" in schools, and so on), what is President "Saint Ronnie" Reagan's claim to everlasting fame?

Iran/Contra.

And what was Iran/Contra?

OK, give me one more side-track and I'll get to it.

Remember "the October Surprise"?

The US hostages were released on the day Reagan took office. It's a virtual certainty that records that will prove that Reagan's "team" went to Iran to negotiate their release, without the permission of the US Government, and that these negotiations actually led to an increase in the amount of time the American "hostages" were held by the Iranian "students". Reagan's first act of treason occurred before he even took office!

So what does this have to do with Iran/Contra? Well, Reagan (or his "team") owed a debt to Iranians for their release of those hostages. Iran/Contra is how they paid that debt.

This is a direct quote from Wikipedia:

Israel would ship weapons to a moderate, politically influential group of Iranians opposed to the Ayatollah Khomeni; the U.S. would reimburse Israel with those weapons and receive payment from Israel. The moderate Iranians agreed to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six U.S. hostages, who were being held by the terrorist group Hezbollah. The plan eventually deteriorated into an arms-for-hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages, with the authorization of President Ronald Reagan. Large modifications to the plan were conjured by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985. In North's plan, a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.

Now then, let's get to (one of) the punch line(s).

Why were 14 people indicted for crimes, and what crimes were they?

The 14 were indicted, in part, for violating The Boland Amendment, which specifically forbid the Executive branch from providing aid to the Contras, considered a "terrorist" organization. The amendment outlawed US assistance to the Contras for the purpose of overthrowing the Nicaraguan government.

Which was, of course, not what the administration wanted. They argued that this restricted the President's power to conduct foreign relations. (Does this sound familiar? Hint: think "Bush doesn't allow congressional oversight".) So, they found a way around it by "interpreting" the law (Does THIS sound familiar? Hint: think "John Yoo and David Addington") to apply to only U.S. intelligence agencies, allowing the National Security Council, not so labeled, to channel funds to the Contra rebels. In order to block this, the amendment was changed to prohibit any funds for military or paramilitary operations.

Administration officials then argued that the Boland Amendment, or any act of Congress would not interfere with the president's conduction of foreign policy by restricting funds, as the president could seek funds from private entities or foreign governments.

Enter Israeli arms sales, John M. Poindexter and Oliver North, and the diversion of millions of dollars to the Contras.

So, what's the punch line? What was the crime?

The 14 were indicted for defying the will of congress, which is directly translated to violating the law, and they were so surely guilty that President H. W. had to pardon them before a trial could be held. He also pardoned six convicted administration officials, namely Elliott Abrams, Duane R. Clarridge, Alan Fiers, Clair George, Robert McFarlane, and Caspar Weinberger. It's so far unprovable, but reasonable to assume that those trials would have led to the indictment/impeachment of President "Saint Ronnie" Reagan for similar crimes.

Now to the present. Again from Wikipedia:

George W. Bush selected some individuals that served under Reagan for high-level posts in his presidential administration.[51][52] They include:

* Elliott Abrams:[53] under Bush, the Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director on the National Security Council for Near East and North African Affairs; in Iran Contra, pleaded guilty on two counts of unlawfully withholding information, pardoned. * Otto Reich:[54] head of the Office of Public Diplomacy under Reagan.

* John Negroponte:[55] under Bush, served as the Ambassador to Iraq, the National Intelligence Director, and the Deputy Secretary of State.

* Admiral John Poindexter:[56] under Bush, Director of the Information Awareness Office; in Iran Contra found guilty of multiple felony counts for conspiracy, obstruction of justice, lying to Congress, defrauding the government, and the alteration and destruction of evidence, convictions reversed.

* Charles E. Allen:[57] under Bush, appointed in August 2005 to be chief intelligence officer at the Department of Homeland Security. Allen's position at DHS was not subject to Senate confirmation. Prior to the DHS appointment, Allen had worked 47 years at the CIA. Director of Central Intelligence William Webster formally reprimanded Allen for failing to fully comply with the DCI's request for full cooperation in the agency's internal Iran-Contra scandal investigation. However, coworkers of Allen pointed out that Webster reprimanded the one person in the CIA who had brought his suspicions of a funds diversion to Robert Gates.

And what else?

Bush's first executive order, 13233, sealed these Reagan-era records. The Presidential Records Act Amendments of 2007, introduced by Henry Waxman to to void Executive Order 13233 by amending the act, has been passed by the House 333-93, It is stalled in the one-Liberman majority Senate.

Bush has by-passed FISA, and this bypass has been condoned by the GOP congress.

Numerous Bush officials have refused to appear before congress to testify about the numerous examples of Bush administration contempt for the rule of law, notably the attorney firings and the unjust jailing of a popular southern Governor, Don Siegelman. (Rumor has it that Rove could be held in inherent contempt and held in the basement of the congress, a completely legal act that's forced on the congress by the President's AG, Mukasey, refusing to carry out subpoenas.)

Bush, the boy who would be king, is a sock puppet. Cheney is in charge. Cheney has been in the inner circles of power since the 1970's. Cheney is out to "restore the power to the Presidency" that was claimed, and lost, by Nixon. In the past 7 1/2 years, Cheney has been enormously successful in this, albeit with the willing compliance of a corrupt GOP congress, and Bush, who is a witless, easily led fool who believes he was born to lead, but still follows.

He panders to those who hate America because abortion is legal. He panders to those who hate America because it was founded on the principal of 3 separate but equal branches of government, preventing states and congress from passing unconstitional laws. He panders to those who hate America when it cares for the least of it's citizens. He panders to those who hate that it's illegal in America to subjugate the constitution to their holy book, or force people to believe as they believe. He panders to those who hate groups of Americans because of the color of their skin, their gender, or their sexual orientation.

We are divided because the haters are in control.

The Democrats are trying to fight back, to restore the balance of power to a government that, imperfect as it may be, has worked well for over 200 years. This fight is stalled by a Senate that lacks a sufficient majority (thank you, Joe the McCain lover) to mount a meaningful challenge to a Presidency run amok.

We have a lot of work to do, and we have only just begun to regain the power to do it. Cheney will be gone, but the damge has been done, and the SCOTUS judges are in place to ensure the damage will remain.

A John W McCain Presidency, with the control of the legal system by the party of corruption that ensures, will stop the restoration of the rule of law to all branches of government in it's tracks.

I could go on, but it's time to get to the bottom line.

Twenty years ago, Reagan (or at the very least, his administration, and he was already too out of it to know) tried to undermine the will of congress and it was considered a crime.

Now, a President openly defies congress and we accept it, because we're told the alternative is certain death, another 911, a "mushroom cloud over an American city". We accept it because congress itself, the Senate still over-run with Republicans who hate America, look the other way. We accept it because we can't believe that "if it's true" surely SOMEONE would be making a bigger deal of it.

It will not be enough to put a Democrat in the White House.

We need to overwhelm the GOP minority in congress.

And even more importantly, we need to extract a promise from any would-be leader that they will examine the Bush record, and change the laws to prevent such outrages on the constitution, on the rule of law, and on the American people from ever occurring again.

This is the "change" that I hope for.

It is a battle that will be fought on a slippery slope, from a steep disadvantage.

It is a battle that we MUST win.

Do you remember how you felt, after the election of 2006?

If those who would be our leaders will do this, with our help, there is most certainly a difference between a Democrat and a Republican.

(Edited to add a link to a transcript of the video.)

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  •  Tips for brevity? (21+ / 0-)

    I know, I know, this diary is too short.

    Hey, I did the best I could, ya know?

    "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

    by Timbuk3 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:47:56 PM PDT

    •  Tipped and recced (3+ / 0-)

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      Good synopsis, but doesn't everyone already know all of this? Not a diss, but I admit that I am slightly amazed that this would be news to anyone on this site.

      Apparently it is news to the MSM, since they rarely bring up the fact that Negroponte presided over the worst human rights abuses in the history of Guatemala, for instance, and it is never mentioned.

      Anyway, good diary. Our past keeps returning like a badly digested burrito. Oh, btw, don't forget about shipping cocaine into the country to make money for weapons purchases for the Contras. Another wonderful part of the just say no culture.

      Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Marx (no not that one, Groucho)

      by marketgeek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:53:15 PM PDT

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      •  No, the kids don't know it. (5+ / 0-)

        Most old timers didn't pay attention.

        it was a long time ago.

        I'm still amazed North was ... punished.

        It's been one step afte another since this crime. We have to redress Reagan era,

        W is just the bookend.

      •  No Diss Taken (4+ / 0-)

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        I think this history is being over-written.

        One of the truths we all hate to acknowledge is, "they who win write the history".

        Plus, I think there are plenty of younger people who get versions with a "local bias" in high school, if they hear any of this at all. I'd bet that no more than 1 in 20 people realize how many Iran/Contra figures are in the current government, and I'm probably being generous.

        So, we have something to work for. "Those who win, write history".

        "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

        by Timbuk3 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:35:11 PM PDT

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    •  I think you should have included: (7+ / 0-)

      There were grounds to suspect that the Reagan administration had allowed Contras or their affiliates to smuggle drugs into the US to finance their operations.

      That was not investigated because the Republicans were already whining that the investigation was getting too close, going through too many sock drawers. Then when the tables were turned, a Republican Congress investigated Democrat Bill Clinton so thoroughly; the only thing they could find was a sordid sex scandal.

      I suspect (WARNING: TINFOIL HAT TERRITORY!) that if Iran-Contra Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh had investigated the Reagan administration with the Javert-like persistence of Kenneth Starr, they would have found that Reagan knew in advance of Mexican President Miguel de la Madrid's plan to thwart the election of Cuauhtemoc Cardenas, that the PRI candidate Carlos Salinas's brother Raul was involved in drug smuggling, and that if the drug rumors had been given the proper scrutiny, they would have called off the election theft.

      I'm not asking you to take the country back, I'm asking you to take it forward-Van Jones.

      by Judge Moonbox on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:27:06 PM PDT

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  •  Great diary. (9+ / 0-)

    I like how you pointed out that the Don of the Bush crime family, GHW Bush, was up to his neck in illegal acts.  People have to realize that he was one of the most corrupt presidents of our time.

    Do you know the difference between education and experience? Education is when you read the fine print; experience is what you get when you don't. Pete Seeger

    by Mas Gaviota on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:07:31 PM PDT

    •  Thank you (6+ / 0-)

      I hope that if it's too long for people to read, they'll at least watch the video.

      I first saw it right after the election of 2004, and when they spoke about feeling like I was in a dark place I knew people across the country could relate to it.

      I don't feel any different, today. We have a long way to go to fix what Bush has done.

      "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

      by Timbuk3 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:09:55 PM PDT

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  •  Very good diary Timbuk 3 (9+ / 0-)

    I like your citations of names and the respective numbers on the bills: Puts them together in  a coherent narrative.

    The slippery ,shaky Senate majority is a real problem because the Repubs are covering for criminality when they stall the open records and the transparency provisions. They are aware that the damage could affect them for many years so the cover
    ups of the malfeasance from even 20 years or longer (like Ford, Bush senior did with their pardons) is a necessity for strictly partisan survival reasons.

     If Obama wins, there must be a strategy to sequester and safeguard as many docs and records as possible starting on the night of the election and
    after. Impeachment may be a defensive action not to get a conviction necessarily in the lame duck after Nov 5th, but to tie up the rascals for weeks from doing further depredations. Letting things drift and mosey along is not possible with this bunch.

    Pete

    John McCain: a survivor, not a hero. Just ask his first wife. He had his chance to be a hero and blew it.

    by Pete Rock on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:09:16 PM PDT

    •  Thanks, Pete (6+ / 0-)

      You're absolutely right.

      Overturning Bush's executive order sealing the Iran/Contra records, the "notes" of the meetings leading up to the October surprise, covering up all of the crimes of the Reagan/Bush White House is no guarantee we'll ever see the truth about those criminal bastards.

      But it's a step in the right direction.

      And tying them up in "other matters" would be a righteous strategy to stop them from pulling an Arthur Anderson with the files.

      "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

      by Timbuk3 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:13:39 PM PDT

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  •  Disclosure of the overdue records of (5+ / 0-)

    Reagan and Bush will prove highly interesting, and could ruin the Republican brand for a long, long time.

    Light, more light!

    "You can't negotiate with reality" - James Kunstler

    by Bob Love on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:14:39 PM PDT

  •  Impeachment is off the table (4+ / 0-)

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    Pelosi MUST be challenged in the next Demo primary.

    Nancy Pelosi - OFF THE TABLE!

    She has been totally complicit with the Bush criminals.

  •  repost this diary (6+ / 0-)

    again sometime so more people read it.

    (seems more are concerned about Huckabee and the NRA...)

    i learned a lot -- as well as having my memory refreshed.

    thank you.

    •  Thanks (3+ / 0-)

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      I had saved it as a draft, thinking it might get read in the morning, but scroll off tonight. I decided to hit "post" because I have time to read comments tonight.

      I'm not sure I can repost it. I don't know those rules.

      "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

      by Timbuk3 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:19:51 PM PDT

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      •  ahhh, just change around a few (4+ / 0-)

        words here and there!

        ;-)

        (i don't know the rules either since i've never posted a diary!)

      •  There are a couple of angles you could use (0+ / 0-)

        to repost with info that ties to recent events:

        1. "The FOIA was amended..."  -  what's happening to it now? Didn't they de-staff the FOIA office or in other ways impede it, for example by inventing a new classification rule that hides more documents from the public? "Sensitive unclassified" or something like that.
        1. The Boland Amendment  -  where does this stand?

        Administration officials then argued that the Boland Amendment, or any act of Congress would not interfere with the president's conduction of foreign policy by restricting funds, as the president could seek funds from private entities or foreign governments.

        Was the above ever legally rebuked, or does their argument to circumvent Boland still stand today?

        Sounds like work, but I'd love to see more on all this.

  •  If Congress would rescind Executive Order 13233 (5+ / 0-)

    which covers the release (or non-release as the case may be) of Presidential papers, a lot of the misdeeds that surround the pedigrees of major players in this administration would see the light of day.

    IIRC it has not been rescinded meaning that all the internal info on Iran-Contra, and previous R scandals, perpetrated within the White House remain sealed.

    These guys (Rs) have a farm system and think in generational terms of achieving their objectives.  Something has to be done to cut that chord.

    As of now the Abrams/Perle/Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc. misdeeds from 20 years ago remain largely factually undocumented.  Without the documented refutation, their resumés remain glowing accounts of self-sacrificing public servants.

    Thanks for the historical perspective.  Great diary.

    •  Excellent point (2+ / 0-)

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      These guys (Rs) have a farm system and think in generational terms of achieving their objectives.  Something has to be done to cut that chord.

      I could get into REAL tin-hat territory and wonder if even the SCOTUS was involved in covering up some of these crimes. Knowing how important it was to hide these records, they did everything they could to overturn the will of the people in 2000.

      But that'd be crazy, wouldn't it?

      "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

      by Timbuk3 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:30:34 PM PDT

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  •  Henry's Triad (5+ / 0-)

    Bush, the boy who would be king, is a sock puppet. Cheney is in charge. Cheney has been in the inner circles of power since the 1970's.

    Cheney and Rumsfeld worked together in the Nixon/Ford days as part of a team that included someone much more powerful -- Henry Kissinger.  Sometime within the last year it was revealed that Henry was stopping by the White House on a weekly basis to advise Cheney/Bush.

    Perhaps Cheney is the sockpuppet and Kissinger is the master.  We should consider it.  Dr. K. brought Saudi Arabia, Israel, and what I call the "Petrodollar Barons" (oil and banking, inseparable) into a long detente, immensely profitable for the players.  I call Kissinger's triad the "unholy trinity".  They remain unassailable and operate with remarkable invisibility, which permits them to control -- more than we will ever understand, probably.

    Cheney would be lucky to only serve time for his crimes, of course.  But we should spread the net of blame wide enough to encircle Kissinger's triad.  We can haul in some very big fish by trawling at the top.

    The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein -- best book ever, I nominate for a Nobel Prize!

    by xaxado on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:59:07 PM PDT

  •  Very good diary, a wonderful refresher. We (2+ / 0-)

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    get so caught up in day-to-day crimes that we all too often forget older, bigger ones. Thanks for posting.

  •  The big lesson is: we must have payback, (2+ / 0-)

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    the voices counselling passivity,letting Bush and Company slink away to avoid nastiness or "for the good of the country" are not just apologists and corruptors of our democracy.

    They are shills inheriting the defense strategy of the criminals and those who have suffocated any decent forward looking attempts to improve America for the past 30 years or more.

    America is RULED by the corporate lobbyists, agents of the low profile uber wealthy who use the USA as their ATM on their jaunts around the world. They may or may not have been born here.  This is where they recruit their best servants, especially the lawyers and private political  gangs  or US military turned to defending their narrow interests.

     Kissinger, and Noriega and Cheney and Rumsfeld and those sorts can only thrive when the veil of silence  covering their crimes is intact. No matter if the pardoner is GHW Bush, G Ford, R Reagan,  or Bush junior. That MUST stop or be stopped by us. It has to be a point in our platform against the third term of GW Bush.

    That is a great reason for not having HRC on the ticket UNLESS she agrees to go after the previous cover ups and the settling of accounts and crimes of these fellows GW Bush and Cheney and their underlings.  She has a role to play in this that will educate many, many people, the vast majority of which have little idea of how vital that history is.

    I wouldn't even stress it during the period before November;only if some wavering independent or ex-Repub asks "What'sthe difference?" , but I would have a worked out plan to go after this the day after the election.  Obama has a position of having his AG "look into if crimes were committed", but it must be broader and deeper than just Bush junior.

    John McCain: a survivor, not a hero. Just ask his first wife. He had his chance to be a hero and blew it.

    by Pete Rock on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:29:36 AM PDT

    •  And furthermore.... (0+ / 0-)

      there needs to be a long-term stratgy to keep the same destructive coalition from regrouping and trying again in a few years -- with all the benefits of their current learning experience (and all the added tools of a full-fledged secutiy state at their disposal).

      The right wing -- the current coalition including corrupt business interests, religious extremists, authoritarians, reactionaries and opportunists -- has been engaged in a long-term, highly organized, ruthless strategy to take permanent control of this nation.

      The architecture of checks and balances wisely engineered by the Founders has almost fractured under the stress of their assault. The country will require a long-term, highly organized defense to prevent it from happening again.  

      One place to start thinking along these lines: Media Transparency has an interesting account of how a now- obscure 1971 manifesto by future Supreme Court Justics Lewis F. Powell, Jr., became a taproot of today's "movement conserrvatism."

      As non-authoritarians, most liberals and Democrats are not particularly attracted to systems development. However, we also will need systems thinking, as well as dedication and passion, if we don't want our children or grandchildren to have to fight this same battle against even steeper odds.  

      •  I totally agree (1+ / 0-)

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        People's memories are short. Many want to just go on with their daily lives and think we should simply "move forward". That plays into the hands of the long-term movement you mention. It's why there need to be more diaries like this one.

  •  Excellent piece -- so sorry I missed it. (1+ / 0-)

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    I, too, have embedded the Battle for America video before; it's inspirational.

    You make great points, succinctly. Nicely done.

    Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
      Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
    Tempest even in reason's seat.

    by GreyHawk on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:43:21 PM PDT

  •  The system is only as good as those who run (1+ / 0-)

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    Recent history has shown that our system of laws is only effective when those in charge respect it.  I am afraid that the level and volume of illegal activities engaged in in the past eight years alone by the executive branch has set a horrible precedent.  Yes with democrats in charge, the system will be more respected and laws tighted up.  But that will be undone again the next time the GOP regains control.   The system has been shown to be breakable, and that won't change I am afraid (absent people being held accountable this time around).

    "I've had enough of reading things by neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians, all I want is the truth, just gimme some truth." - John Lennon

    by JustGimmeSomeTruth on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:17:04 PM PDT

  •  It may be something, (0+ / 0-)

    but, Dylan wrote "There are truths outside the Gates of Eden."  

    I think he was on to something, back in LBJ daze.

  •  I think we need to take it a step further (1+ / 0-)

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    We should ratify the world criminal court treaty in congress (Clinton already signed us in a while back, we didnt ratify it in congress though I guess), whether or not it is "flawed" as the republicans claim.  I dont think its flawed, I think they know a lot of people will be sent to jail if its ratified.  A lot of Democrats too, but itd be well well worth it.

  •  Even earlier crimes by this crowd. (0+ / 0-)

    A year or so ago I heard a talk by Michael Sallah, investigations editor of the Miami Herald, about the book he and Mitch Weiss did in 2006, "Tiger Force." It's about a series of nasty atrocities in Vietnam and the way Donald Rumsfeld, secretary of defense, and Dick Cheney, White House chief of staff to Pres. Ford, swept it all under the carpet in the mid-70s. We listeners (anti-war veterans) groaned at the fact that these two dark-siders STILL were screwing up our country and the world. This is another story that should be more widely known, along with Iran-Contras. And we should vow to keep bad actors out of government FOREVER. They do not change their spots. And Rove should be ousted from TV.

  •  Iran-Contra was also a close-to-home disaster... (0+ / 0-)

    I grew up in the town that was the drug-running hub for  Iran-Contra (Mena, Arkansas).  I know it's only a small country town and a blip on the radar, but the affair royally screwed the entire county. Locals were sucked in (Ollie North and Barry Seals convinced them it was for "God and Country"), and when the news broke, the publicity was so bad that the already lousy economy tanked.  It's taken them years to recover.

    So, while I hate Reagan & Co. for the entire mess, I have a special place deep in the bottom of my black heart for what they did to the well-meaning, patriotic small-town people I grew up with who got sucked in, spit out, and then shit on.

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