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Hillary Clinton is setting herself up to be Al Gore (w/ POLL)

Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:33:55 AM PDT

I don't think this is being said at all on the blogosphere or in the mainstream media, but Hillary Clinton is steadily but surely moving toward making herself Al Gore of this primary contest, the candidate who 'really won' even though she lost the nomination.  Now, this may assure her spot at the top of the ticket in 2012 if the democrats lose this fall, but it will be incredibly damaging to our chances in 2008.

Make no mistake, from Hillary Clinton's recent speeches and the messages being put out by her surrogates on TV the last few weeks, Hillary Clinton is going to declare, in June, that although she won the popular vote, the superdelegates overruled the real will of the people and went with the pledged delegate winner, Barack Obama.

She has had her people consistently say that she has won the popular vote.  It doesn't matter how much twists and turns you have to do, how many conditionals you have to place on that declaration, her camp has firmly decided to play this message nonstop over the past few weeks and will continue to do that until June.

Her camp has also consistently played up the bogus scenario that Obama has stopped the will of the voters in Michigan and Florida from being counted.  And unless the May 31st meeting is decided completely in Clinton's favor (Obama getting no delegates from Michigan, and her getting the full amount, and Florida's delegates counted in full as is), her camp will play the victim card saying that the will of Michigan and Florida was not justly portrayed by the democratic party 'elite'.

Then, a few days later, the contests will be finished and it will be superdelegates that put Obama over the top.  (He'll get around 20-25 delegates from Puerto Rico, 17-18 from South Dakota and Montana).  

Where will this lead us?  To a party where almost half of the primary voters feel cheated out of the election the same way that democrats as a whole felt cheated out of the 2000 election.  And that will spell doom for the fall.

And even though Hillary Clinton won't explicitly say that she lost on technicalities like Al Gore, many of her surrogates and supporters (especially online) will take the ball and run with it.  And the Clinton camp wants this because it is their best shot at getting the presidency now, a 2012 run against McSame.

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In June will the Clinton camp act as if they were robbed like Al Gore?

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  •  Tips/Flames (6+ / 0-)

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:34:40 AM PDT

    •  BTW - Hillary will... (3+ / 0-)

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      bustacap, duha, Futumpsh

      covertly cry - through surrogates and supporters -- that she was robbed a la Gore, but she will deny it herself...  But not until long after the memo has reached far and wide in the media.

      Each election year is an ethics test for the mainstream media, and the paper is invariably returned with "See Me After Class"

      by jpfdeuce on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:43:56 AM PDT

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  •  Heard it twice the last 12 hours (3+ / 0-)

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    bustacap, duha, The Red Pen

    "Hillary leads the popular vote" -- the first time was with a Clinton shill speakign to Ron Reagan on MSNBC after midnight.  The secodn time was about five minutes ago as a University ofSouth Florida professor of Political Science repeated the claim on local TV here in Tampa, Florida where Obama will be speaking imminently.

    Each election year is an ethics test for the mainstream media, and the paper is invariably returned with "See Me After Class"

    by jpfdeuce on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:37:22 AM PDT

    •  Why the silence from Obama? (0+ / 0-)

      Refuting Hillary's claim would only validate it, but why doesn't he also just start claiming to have won it?  Let the talking heads argue it out, but at the moment, his silence can be interpreted as an admission that Hillary is right.

      --
      Either get behind Obama 100% of GTFO of DailyKos.

      by DemCurious on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:16:48 AM PDT

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  •  Clinton won't overtly cry foul... (4+ / 0-)

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    but she will not discourage her followers from doing just that.

    I wish that the press would help to squash the "popular vote" argument like they should.  This is not the general election.  There is no popular vote -- it does not exist because of the caucus states.  That is why Senator Obama has run his campaign the way he has, which is to win delegates, not votes.

  •  Wasserman Schultz did it last night (3+ / 0-)

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    bustacap, Gorette, duha

    I have kind of sensed for awhile they would frame it this way so it looks like it was stolen from her.

  •  Well, okay. (1+ / 0-)

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    dallasdave

    Perhaps if Gore is her model, she will graciously accept the rules, retire for a while to the shadows and re-emerge to tackle some great, world-threatening problem with such success that she is accorded acclaim for her work.

    I'd like that.

  •  Your taking into account the fact (0+ / 0-)

    that IF we lose come November? Everyone will blame Hillary for the loss and her job in the senate will have just gotten much harder...and so will support for a run come 2012.
    She has already spent her capitol in this election and fears of a 2012 run will not happen regardless.

    •  In short (4+ / 0-)

      She's not setting herself up as Al Gore.  She's setting herself up as Ralph Nader and destroyign her political future just like Ralph did eight years ago.

      Each election year is an ethics test for the mainstream media, and the paper is invariably returned with "See Me After Class"

      by jpfdeuce on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:53:12 AM PDT

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      •  You hit the nail on the head. (2+ / 0-)

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        Chuck Todd has been saying this for a couple of weeks.  You have to remember, Al Gore did not do damage to the party.  In fact, it was Bill Clinton who made the race even harder for him to win.  And they were only interested in funding her Senate campaign.  

        Unfortunately, there will be millions of voters have been incited by Hillary's rhetoric and she has permanently left an air of illegitimacy on Obama's nomination.  No one did that but Hillary.  By not respecting the rules, she has created this situation.  

        That being said, Obama has plenty of time to win this election.  It's harder for him that it should have to be (the party is partly responsible for this as well by not taking a stand against the race-baiting and the rules-changing).  

        Don't underestimate Obama's skill in turning this around.  Hillary has made it much harder, but I believe he will overcome it.  

        She's not Al Gore.  She's Ralph Nader.  

  •  Hah! She could never be Al Gore! (4+ / 0-)

    Hillary doesn't have the depth or intellect of Gore.

    I know what you are saying here, and perhaps you have a point, but I just hate to see it put this way.

    Can you tell?  ;~}

    IT TOOK five years, the deaths of 4,100 US soldiers... to make Iraq safe for Exxon. ~ Derrick Z. Jackson

    by Gorette on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:58:23 AM PDT

  •  She'd need a leg to stand on first... (3+ / 0-)

    ... before she could "be Al Gore."

    Founder of the Committee to Save asdf

    by droogie6655321 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:58:34 AM PDT

  •  Hillary does not have the decency (1+ / 0-)

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    or honesty that Al Gore does.

    She's a lying hack with lying hacks supporting her spouting the whole popular vote bullshit. Hell the pundits are laughing AT her not with her because she's a lying twit.

    Sarcasm: It beats killing people...

    by Dreggas on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:09:29 AM PDT

  •  My Head Hurts From Spinning (0+ / 0-)

    Wasn't her campaign the one that renamed Super Delegates as Automatic Delegates, and said they only had to follow their own conscience? How could she complain if the supers choose Obama?

    I don't think the media will buy it. They've done a pretty good job putting her claims of the popular vote lead into context. But at this points, I can't really tell what Clinton is trying to  accomplish anymore.

  •  I knew Al Gore; Al Gore was a friend of mine (1+ / 0-)

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    dallasdave

    (not really); Hillary Clinton is no Al Gore.

    "I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear, that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States..."

    by dlh77489 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:19:10 AM PDT

  •  I agree! (1+ / 0-)

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    duha

    Her campaign (and particularly her supporters) are definitely is trying to frame it this way, with their "Count Every Vote" signs, and constant undermining of the caucus states, etc.

    As I've suggested before on other threads, it would be nice if Al Gore would step forward and call this for what it really is: an "Assault on Reason"

    McCainery (noun): Using obvious simplistic platitudes to deceive the gullible, as in traditional GOP politics.

    by seenos on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:01:33 AM PDT

  •  No. Al Gore was graceful and facts supported him. (1+ / 0-)

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