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Hearts and Minds

Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:40:05 PM PDT

Every person injured, every person killed, has a mother, has a father, has siblings, has uncles, aunts, cousins, and friends.  And they all have memories.

That's one good reason why 100 more years of this is 105 years too long.  

The U.S. military on Saturday fired missiles at a target about 50 yards away from the general hospital in Baghdad's Sadr City district, wounding more than 20 people and destroying ambulances, hospital officials said.

Of course, the military was aiming at a building occupied by "a criminal element," and by all accounts that building was destroyed.  The building happened to be a chapel used by the hospital workers.  

But does it matter that there was no intent to hurt civilians?

This kind of incident certainly isn't new.  It's hardly even news.  Air strikes in this conflict have by now taken out weddings and schools, convoys of government officials on their way to a conference, and a countless individuals that just happened to live in the wrong neighborhood.  Of course it's accidental.  of course it's regrettable.  But if it was your family, would that matter?  Would it matter if your children?

The ugly daily fight for ground in the poor Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City unfolded Saturday at a small mosque next door to a hospital, damaging the hospital and all its ambulances, and near a group of children who were injured by the violence as they gathered tin cans to sell for salvage.  

The first hit came after a night of clashes in the neighborhood, when the Americans fired at least three "precision-guided munitions" in the area of the Sadr General Hospital at 10 a.m. The target was a small building next door to the hospital that neighbors said was used as a rest house and place of prayer for hospital employees, pilgrims and neighborhood residents.  ... Doctors and nurses ran screaming as the blasts blew out hospital windows and shook the building, said one doctor, who asked that his name not be used.

About an hour later, at the front line between the southern part of the neighborhood that is held by the American and Iraqi military and the northern section that is held by Shiite militias, the group of children was hit, according to a child and one adult who was injured there and brought to the Sadr hospital.

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  •  Horrible, just horrible. (8+ / 0-)

    Why the hell can't we get out of Iraq. could anything be worse than this?

    •  Nancy and Harry need replacements yesterday! n/t (5+ / 0-)

      Support democracy at home and abroad, join the ACLU & Amnesty International http://www.aclu.org and http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org Your voice is needed!

      by tnichlsn on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:51:37 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah (3+ / 0-)

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        No shit. Coming to theaters near you

      •  yes Gaza where they continue under embargo (2+ / 0-)

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        and the lack of fuel is closing down the whole society. Check out Helen Cobban for a rundown on the situation:

        www.justworldnews.com

      •  How About Condemning Iran? (1+ / 0-)

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        How about condemning the Iranian backed militias that use civilians as shields in Sadr City and Basra?  Amazing that you find the USA at fault. These thugs in Sadr City are not some national liberation force - they are under the pay and tribute of Sadr hiding out in Iran and his masters in Tehran. Iraqi, American, and British forces are taking out the tumor of these militias allowing Sunni and Kurd political parties to come back into the Maliki government creating a united front against Iran and the Madhi Army. This is good news! and will get us out of Iraq sooner than if we sat on our hands and allowed these thugs and criminals to exist.

        But what the hey! Blame America! Works for KOS

        •  amazing that you believe what you wrote above (3+ / 0-)

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          because Iran backed militias in Iraq are known as THE IRAQI ARMY - and are under the control of Badr and Hakim, who are closely aligned with Maliki, and they are not living in Sadr City.

          And Sadr's militia, the Mahdi army, are not hiding behind civilians either.

          THEY LIVE THERE.

          And they are not going away.  

          And we would get out of Iraq sooner is bullshit.  The US authorities, like bush and his cronies (including democrats) HAVE NO PLANS TO EVER LEAVE.

          You are really uninformed. (also - no evidence that Sadr is currently in Iran, but even if he is, he does not have the ties to Iran that Hakim and Maliki do.)

          (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

          by dancewater on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:27:08 PM PDT

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        •  here's a photo (2+ / 0-)

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          of those people you call

          "These thugs in Sadr City are not some national liberation force - they are under the pay and tribute of Sadr"

          Take a look at that photo..... and realize that most of those men are PAYING SADR whatever they can because they believe in him and believe in Iraq - an Iraq that is free of US and Iranian interference.

          (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

          by dancewater on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:29:59 PM PDT

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        •  Richie ... (2+ / 0-)

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          Not all of Iran is involved with this dirty illegal war that Bush lied us into and then kept changing the reasons we are there.  There happen to be many civilians there too.  Mothers, fathers, children ... you know people  If you watch the clip you will see that unlike the images of Iran presented by your friends at Fox news, Iran is actually a very cosmopolitan country.

           

          Should we bomb them because they are engaging in the same type of behavior we are (fighting a war in another country)?

          If we were not in Iraq our soldiers would not be targets for any militias; Shia militias backed by Iran or Sunni (Al Qeada) militias backed by the Saudi Royal family ( you know Bush's buddies).  Sorry to break it to you Richie, but the solution to your upset is not more war and bombing every country you have disagreements with.  It is realizing we are ALL interconnected and war solves NOTHING.

           Get past the "them and us" mentality Richie ... you'll sleep better at night.

          •  I agree with everything you said (1+ / 0-)

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            except the "you'll sleep better at night" statement.  Realizing that we are all interconnected and seeing the suffering and evil done to our brothers and sisters by the stupid ones (who are also our brothers and sisters) does not lead to sleeping better at night.... not at all.

            (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

            by dancewater on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:53:16 PM PDT

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        •  read my lips: SCIRI and Dawa are the Tehran (1+ / 0-)

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          sponsored groups; the Mahdi army is very nationalistic and al Sadr is very much opposed to Khomeinism.
          The Sunnis are old line Baathists, supported by the Saudis, we are paying to behave while the Kurds Pesh Merga is supporting PKK raids on Turkish territory.  There has been no large capture of Iranian arms from Mahdi Army sources nor have theie been captures of Qod operatives training Mahdi Army types.
          There are some 50 militias active in Iraq. I think you will find that the attacks on Sadr City are an attempt by the US to clear away a deadzone around the Green Zone so the GZ will not be under daily rocket and mortar fire as it now.

          As to our plans for the Middle East, Taliban operatives penetrated 18 rings of security around the imperial palace in Kabul to take potshots at Karzai and his officials. Only 3 guards were killed but the Taliban had Israeli made minimortars that Olmert had provided to Fatah and Abbas.

          Makes one wonder if the al Arabiya view of Iraq really has any ties to reality instead of military wishful thinking.      

        •  here is your problem with your analysis rich 199 (0+ / 0-)

          are not some national liberation force -

          No, the Mahdi Army is not "the " liberation force but they are the most consistent ones wanting an independent Iraq. Good question:

            Who is now among the true  national liberation forces?

            Who is asking for all foreign fighters to leave Iraq? What foreign fighters are in Iraq? Maliki and the Badr corp militias are closer to Iran than the Mahdi Army  He took refuge there and lived there for years. The Iraqis want an independent Iraq without a foreign occupier, be that USA or Iran.

           Right now there is an unofficial deal between Iran and the the US to keep the genuine forces opposed to either at bay.  The Sunnis that were marginalized for the last several years are now on the payroll to keep them OUT of the fight and allow Maliki a free hand.

            The Mahdi Army has been in stand down officially since last summer.  That has allowed Maliki to regroup and make a move against them because they are his rivals in the Shia community.  At some point the Sunni and Shia elements that want their own Iraq will get together and demand the foreigners leave.
          The UN mandate that was extended is over in December.

            The Iraqi parliament has been asking unofficially because Maliki refuses to have a vote on it for the USA to declare a date they will leave.

           What the Bushies and the neocons refuse to face is that there is no reliable partner for the USA in Iraq. There are only the bought, like Maliki and his Dawa which is a small Shia party with no militia of its own, the several groupings of Sunni Awakening who are on the payroll, and the Iraqi Army which is mostly Shia Badr Corp, Virtue,  and others and Kurds with minimum Sunni of any kind.

           After 4 years of "training" they still have no real
          enthusiasm to launch and fight a civil war at Maliki and Ambassador Crocker's direction.  Iran is supporting  groups that are friendly to them. It happens to be a large, large part of southern Iraq and beyond.

            Iranians want a peaceful  neighbor, not a civil war spilling beyond borders. The Cheney/Bushies just want a bigger war.

          McCain: Unlike most Repub licans, he HAS dropped bombs on a people and country that did not attack America. It fits: Warmonger

          by Pete Rock on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:36:30 PM PDT

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          •  Iran was a 'peaceful' Iraq? (0+ / 1-)

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            "Iranians want a peaceful  neighbor, not a civil war spilling beyond borders. The Cheney/Bushies just want a bigger war."

            I think its safe to say you have been drinking from the Tehran Kool-Aid stand.  The bizarre views of people like you who will highlight the weakness you and the Democratic party want the USA to project, endangering all of us.  I'm happy to say we have McCain as our likely next President to protect us from the likes of you.

            •  This isn't a John McCain war promoting site (0+ / 0-)

              You must be lost. His campaign is out there somewhere if you keep searching. Bye.

              McCain: Unlike most Repub licans, he HAS dropped bombs on a people and country that did not attack America. It fits: Warmonger

              by Pete Rock on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:52:54 AM PDT

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              •  views you project will endanger all of us (0+ / 0-)

                yes especially your fascist, warmongering buddies who make millions of the blood of innocents. you can go to hell. And I will cheerfully help put you there. You have no e'ffin clue, your mind is made up and there is no sense there except your war for profit mentality.

                Your campaign is a loser your stinking crappy little war project is a loser and you?   JURY IS OUT, BUT YOU AREN'T GETTING OUT UNSCATHED EITHER.

                Get the quote right for a start to get your brain engaged.

                "Iran wa(nt)s a peaceful Iraq". yeah right. you can't even read just like your mentor, like the senile fool you butt lick.

                McCain: Unlike most Repub licans, he HAS dropped bombs on a people and country that did not attack America. It fits: Warmonger

                by Pete Rock on Sun May 04, 2008 at 08:01:17 AM PDT

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  •  We'll just send the widows and orphans (4+ / 0-)

    a note saying "we didn't mean it, sorry".  That should make it OK.

    /snark

  •  My thought (4+ / 0-)

    Every dead kid is a holocaust.

  •  why would anyone willingly join the US military (4+ / 0-)

    under this Administration? But keep those lapel pins upfront and visible!!!

    Support democracy at home and abroad, join the ACLU & Amnesty International http://www.aclu.org and http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org Your voice is needed!

    by tnichlsn on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:50:42 PM PDT

  •  If we wouldn't do it to catch a criminal operatio (13+ / 0-)

    in our own country, we shouldn't do it in theirs.

    Our callous attitude toward "collateral damage" is shameful.

    Some people fight fire with fire. Professionals use water.

    by Happy Days on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:51:30 PM PDT

  •  The GOP can never argue (7+ / 0-)

    that America cannot afford a social program that benefits the poor.

    The answer should always be "You people who proclaimed foodstamps an unbearable burden and then engaged us in Iraq as a cakewalk don't get to be the arbiters of what we can and cannot afford as a nation ever again."

    Iraq is like printing money to throw it in a furnace next to the printing presses.

    "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." - Oscar Wilde

    by LeftHandedMan on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:53:27 PM PDT

  •  but it's not accidental (11+ / 0-)

    under the law, if you fire a rocket at an airplane, intending only to kill your ex-lover, but you end of killing everyone on that plane which is blown apart, the law says your killing was intentional because any idiot knows that blowing up the plane will kill more than your lover.

    i have read reports of US hitting a "terrorist house" in which the bomb also got the houses next door and the people on the street. the US response was that the community had to know that the "terrorist house" housed terrorists, so to remain in that area made the neighbors terrorist sympathizers, or words to that effect.

    there may be times when our government truly has unintended "collateral" damage, but not in these cases.

    •  All's fair in love and war, (2+ / 0-)

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      but very little of it is legal...

      Since when is nine double digits?

      by Oxy on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:56:42 PM PDT

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    •  It's also one thing (6+ / 0-)

      when collateral damage occurs from ships or from the air when you're not occupying a country with hundreds of thousands of your own troops on the ground.

      there may be times when our government truly has unintended "collateral" damage, but not in these cases.

      But when you have people who can actually verify who and where "the enemy" is, this type of "accident" is unconscionable and sends the message "we don't really care" -- even in a so-called "just" war, this is unacceptable. "Accidents happen" just doesn't cut it anymore.

      McCain: "I think that clearly my fortunes have a lot to do with what's happening in Iraq" ... Buh-bye!

      by RevJoe on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:03:09 PM PDT

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    •  We got the rules from the Israelis (3+ / 0-)

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      who use artillary tanks and planes to blast suspected terrorist safe houses in crowded slums.

    •  "insurgents" are people who don't (3+ / 0-)

      subscribe to the directives of the governing elite.  It's as simple as that.  Iraqis are resisting foreign domination and occupation and for that reason they will be attacked until they "cry uncle" and welcome the U.S. presence.

      There was an assumption, going in, that because the Iraqi people had put up with the dictatorial rule of Saddam Hussein, they would be equally amenable to being ruled by people who weren't quite as dictatorial.  What seems to have been missed was that the reason replacing Saddam Hussein seemed like a good idea was because the people whom he had displaced off their lands would be able to return.  Then, when the U.S. claimed large swaths of land for its military bases and excluded Iraqis from using or even transiting their ancestral range for their sheep and other agricultural pursuits, their enmity was roused.

      How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

      by hannah on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:04:58 PM PDT

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    •  Happened just yesterday in Somalia (1+ / 0-)

      Ten "suspected" bad guys killed, twelve civilians in the wrong place at the wrong time.

      Shameful.

  •  82-year-old gets Obama FIRED UP! (funny funny!) (2+ / 0-)

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    82-year-old gets Obama FIRED UP! (funny funny!)

    http://www.youtube.com/...

  •  Don't mean to seem snarky, but (5+ / 0-)

    "continuous bombardment has been going on for five years. More often than not it's the result of U.S. bombing runs and missile attacks.  The U.S. Air Force provides almost daily updates about how many sorties are flown.  See
    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    for more comprehensive coverage of what the Air Force is up to.

    How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

    by hannah on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:55:07 PM PDT

  •  Reports are the new military strategy (6+ / 0-)

    is to clear an area around the Green Zone so there is a deadzone between the GZ and mortar and rocket fire. The problem is such a deadzone would include some very populated areas of Sadr City.

    In the meantime, the news from Afghanistan is that the Taliban managed to crash a party for President Karzai, penetrating 18 rings of security and killing 3 security guards before being driven off.
    Of particular interest was the Taliban's use of mini mortars such as manufactured by Israel. Wonder if they were part of the shipments made by Israel to Fatah?

  •  Occupied by "a criminal element"? (3+ / 0-)

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    What, was Cheney visiting there?

  •  It is NOT accidental (5+ / 0-)

    Bombs don't fall out of American airplanes flying over other people's countries "by accident".

    They do it to kill people.  They know that they are going to kill completely innocent people.  The moral difference between American pilots in Iraq and the wherever-they-came-from "pilots" on 9/11 is exactly . . . none.

  •  For every "militant" or "insurgent" (6+ / 0-)

    or "prospective detainee" they kill and save themselves the trouble of storing at Abu Graib or another Gitmo somewhere in Iraq (60,000 are being held without charges by the US military) 10 or 100 fresh new militants or fighters are created.

    Every child, every young man, every grandma has a family.And some of those have no hope except to exact revenge.

    19 year old enlistees, 30 year old lifers, 50 year old National guardsmen are being brutalized and dehumanized by the policy and the conduct of this predatory war.

    You cannot kill your way out of it. The Pentagon bragged it had killed 650,000 or some ridiculous number of Viet Cong but it didn't brag about the 2 1/2 million Vitnamese in general that died. The Vietnamese knew and all that killing steeled their resolve.

    John McCainis not only senile, nuts, but completely wrong. The US will be in worse shape after 100 years of occupation than now. Much worse.

    Every other country is finding excuses or a reason to say, "Sorry,we got to go now". We now have a Coalition of the Unwilling, or those who haven't got the courage to leave yet.  Our Congress doesn't have the courage to leave, because if they did, the criminals responsible for this war on an an entire people would be facing tribunals and the stiffest sentences.

    The last time we had a functioning justice system for war crimes was 1947.

    It is beyond disgusting. Talk and expressions of outrage is cheap. Don't we have some patriots who care more for America's honor and good name than their own skins? I am serious,that's what itwilltake. We have the jelly fish in the media,in the Congress,and running for office.

     We need some true bravery, not the faux soldiers sitting 9,000 miles away at a TV/Computer screen  in their air conditioned bunkers punching a time clock
    for an 8 hour shift killing villagers with drones from the air. Or putting a missile into a crowdwed city creating new orphans and new parents who have lost their children violently.

    McCain: Unlike most Repub licans, he HAS dropped bombs on a people and country that did not attack America. It fits: Warmonger

    by Pete Rock on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:11:03 PM PDT

  •  This is indisputable proof (5+ / 0-)

    that the Iraqi government is a puppet of a foreign occupier.  Only a Vichy regime would call in air strikes by a hostile power on it's own urban population.

  •  Ironically enough, Fred Hiatt is using (2+ / 0-)

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    the excuse that the air bombing of Somalia is the justification for an occupation. So Fred, if we are occupying the country and still slaughtering innocent civilians in Iraq with air raids because we can't pacify the country with our occupation, doesn't that destroy the premise of your argument that we need to support the war and occupation in Iraq?

    Of course, Glenn Greenwald does a better job of destroying all of Hiatt's idiotic assertions on our foreign policies.  

    "I will fight for my country, but I will not lie for her. " -- Zora Neale Hurston

    by blueintheface on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:15:36 PM PDT

  •  This is really the point (2+ / 0-)

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    But does it matter that there was no intent to hurt civilians?

    This is why you don't start wars when you don't have to. The intention to start a war -- when doing so makes the death of civilians inevitable -- has the same result as intending to kill or hurt that number of civilians.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:18:18 PM PDT

  •  Does anyone know the ratio of terrorists to (1+ / 0-)

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    civilian Iraqis killed?  That would be an interesting statistic to ponder, methinks.

    •  over 4,000 of the invading military (1+ / 0-)

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      has been killed there

      and likely over 1,000,000 civilians have been killed - plus there are 4,500,000+ civilians who are refugees.

      Who is the "terrorists"?  Those people like Zarqawi who supposedly work for al Qaeda? If the answer to that is "yes" then why did the US Military adopt a policy of "villianize Zarqawi/leverage xenophobic response"?  Why would they make him look worse and try to inspire fear in the Iraqi population?

      Or are the "terrorists" the foreign army that came to control the oil and the region?

      (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

      by dancewater on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:45:53 PM PDT

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    •  The IDF sets the ratio in Gaza at 50/50 (0+ / 0-)

      but they are liberal in their definition of terrorist and sometimes include women and children as operatives.

      BTW, it has been pointed out that current Israeli policies began at the beginning of Desert Storm, more than 2 years before the first suicide bomber and 3 years before the first bomber in Israel. The IDF restricted Palestinian movement and cracked down on political discord anticipating an Arab revolt that never came. Since then, the restrictions have only gotten tougher. Interesting that most Americans believed the segregation and checkpoints and extrajudicial executions came after the suicide bombers, not before.  

  •  not another dime for this fucking war! (3+ / 0-)

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    Bush "is a yokel on the world stage . . . a Gilligan who cannot find his ass." Bill Maher

    by timbuck on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:55:53 PM PDT

  •  Sadr City (4+ / 0-)

    This will be the beginning of the end of our blunder into Iraq.Its one thing to take on the Sunni insurgency,a whole nother ballgame to try and defeat the Mahdi Army and its popular support among the Shia poor. Ever notice in the news that its not the Iraqi Security Forces fighting in Sadr City. Its a mostly American led assault. As far as I'm concerned its close to ethnic cleansing of Sadrists. The US Army is committing acts of genocide, if McCain wins, another 100 years of atrocities. Morally and financially America has run off the cliff. Just think of the hatred that has been unleashed in a community of 2.5 million, in Sadr City alone, not counting Basra, Najaf, and Karbala. In the meantime we are paying ex-insurgents to kill Al Queda types in Anbar Province. How long will that Faustian bargain holdup? When we do leave Iraq, Maliki will last about 2 weeks. What the fuck have we done? I hate my fucking government. Maybe its shit like this that Jeremiah Wright was talking about.

  •  The tactics and the logic (1+ / 0-)

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    are exactly the same as those used against Gaza, and the results are as well...

  •  richmond 199 (2+ / 0-)

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    Sir you are a thug without a soul. I pity fools like you. Please inform us of some more neo-con talking points, no, wait, I'll just go to the Weekly Standard and read William "The Bloody" Kristol.

  •  ... (0+ / 0-)

    Give this story a few days to pan out before we start passing judgement... just looking at three sites ive found three different acounts...

  •  But...but...but...we're the GOOD guys... (0+ / 0-)

    because even though we wound--and sometimes kill--doctors, nurses, mothers, children and bystanders...we didn't mean to. That's the difference, see? They all know that we mean well, that we have the best of intentions.

    Yessireebob...the surge is working...clearly we're winning. And what's a few wounded civilians among friends? They've all got brown skin...so they don't count anyway.

    Right?

    Yup. Making Iraq safe for democracy, one dead civilian at a time.

    ~Doc~

    -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

    by EquationDoc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:45:53 PM PDT

  •  While john McCain has .... (0+ / 0-)

    the best Health Care plan that government can buy , he wishes to give a $5,000 tax break to individuals ( he wasn't clear who would qualify ) so that they could purchase health insurance . A family of three would see that 5K dissapear in about three months . He doesn't consider co-pays and deductibles either . His plan helps wealthier people who have few health problems and who could probably purchase insurance with out the 5K . He touts individual "better" health management while many can't afford to pay for well balanced diets . We continue to eat foods laced with preservatives , growth hormones and tainted with toxins . He has not said how he will address those items . The picture of health has a far wider spectrum than he can imagine . This would include tainted and mal-produced drugs imported from China , whereas the Republicans effectively blocked pure inspected drugs from Canada , saying that we cannot trust the quality . John McCain is a typical Whashingtoner who can't see past his dinner plate as to how the rest of the country lives , or tries to get by .

  •  Yay! (0+ / 0-)

    I'm so glad we're winning in Iraq!  Everyone agrees this war is the right thing to do.  Everyone!  If I had children in Iraq, I'd be happy that they died for democracy!  Go America!

    On a serious note, this does make me happy, in a way, but what makes me happy is to see this posted rather than something about American soldiers.  Please continue to divert our collective attention away from "the troops" and onto the people whose lives are being obliterated by us, by the militias we've allowed to rise, by the terrorist groups we've allowed to flourish.  This atrocity is REAL news.  I hear coverage of these atrocities got us out of Vietnam...

  •  here's why we must leave iraq (0+ / 0-)

    Photobucket
    <span style="font-size:85%;">Ridh Hadi places his two-year old nephew,
    Ali Hussein, into a coffin in the Shiite
    stronghold of Sadr City in Baghdad, Iraq
    on Wednesday, April 30, 2008. The child
    died on Tuesday after U.S. forces struck
    back at militia fighters with 200-pound
    (90-kilogram) guided rockets that
    devastated at least three buildings in the
    densely packed district that serves as the
    Baghdad base for the powerful Mahdi
    Army militia.</span>
    <span style="font-size:78%;">(AP Photo/ Karim Kadim)</span>

  •  Hats off to ALISSA J. RUBIN (0+ / 0-)

    for at least putting  “precision-guided munitions” between quotes.

  •  as I read this diary (0+ / 0-)

    I realized that one piece of the cruddiness of McCain's 100 years comment is that he has NO IDEA what has happened in Iraq and what is happening.

    He is for all intents and purposes a complete idiot. Thanks for connecting the dots. I  would love to see the MSM call him out for his IGNORANCE in clear and graphic ways - not just snide, inside baseball comments.

  •  It matters... (0+ / 0-)

    It matters that there was no intent NOT to hurt civilans....

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