Indiana JJ Dinner LiveBlog Part 3

We're all watching the JJ Dinner together!

Check out the live feed at www.indystar.com or www.cnn.com.

Even at www.wishtv.com.

Apparently it's on live at Fox and CNN as well.www.wishtv.com

Update: Barack Obama is speaking now with a newly tweaked speech!

FYI, he hit it outta the park.  More measured than his speech in NC and calmer, but definitely more substantial.

It's over so none of the feeds will work, but I'm told they are airing it on C-Span right now.

•  BO is currently digging into

  the Repubs and McCain...

  by Ambboogie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:06:31 PM PDT

  •  Thanks

    I hope "It's the Supreme Court . . ." sees this is up.

    by gchaucer2 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:50 PM PDT

    •  Got it! I'll volunteer for a fourth if needed.

      by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:39 PM PDT

      •  Wow -- you are great

        thank you so much!!! I was hoping you wouldn't lose a diary.  You're a dear.

        by gchaucer2 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:11:38 PM PDT

  •  Starting on CSPAN now. Better audio/crowd feed

    by Excelscior1 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:18:50 PM PDT

•  Thank you.

  by joy sinha on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:01 PM PDT

•  Thanks for the thread.!!

  by nicejoest on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:14 PM PDT

•  He dissed Hillary

  on authorizing war

  by newdem1960 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:18 PM PDT

  •  Also...

    "Buy your own Health Care"

    by WeBetterWinThisTime on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:33 PM PDT

•  reasoned, measured speech,,,,,wait for the closer

  he is going to get a huge cheer!!!!

  by jjackso1 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:20 PM PDT

•  Thaankkkkkkkkks for new thread

  by TNforkerry on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:23 PM PDT

•  Thanks!

  This was pretty good after a few drinks ;)

  by shawnyQ on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:34 PM PDT

•  great line...

  "can't afford politicians who focus on how to win rather than why we should..."

  by chelle in mo on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:35 PM PDT

•  Do we rec this one?

  by mommaK on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:37 PM PDT

•  It's a new speech and he doesn't have his mojo

  But I like the content so far.

  by MTmarilyn on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:45 PM PDT

  •  he seems very tired...

    I'm sure he is.  I don't know how he keeps going.

    by chelle in mo on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:39 PM PDT

    •  Let's be fair

      I don't know how those three (Bill included) keep going

      by BenjaminOMeara on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:08 PM PDT

  •  I think the speech is aimed at being quoted in

    the print media.

    by nicejoest on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:09:25 PM PDT

  •  He feeds off the energy

    of the crowd when he's tired.  This crowd isn't as energetic as the crowd in NC.

    by C Mac on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:09:37 PM PDT

    •  That's not a good sign

      My unscientific observation is that the crowd enthusiasm is a good predictor of the election.

      by Heart of the Rockies on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:39:27 PM PDT

•  Multiple slams on

  Hillary just now, coming fast and furious, but subtle.  Very nice.

  by DrJeremy on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:53 PM PDT

•  Is it the same speech as the NC JJ dinner?

  by choochmac on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:04 PM PDT

  •  No

    Multiple tweaks

    by BenjaminOMeara on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:31 PM PDT

  •  Nooooo its different

    by TennesseeGurl on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:41 PM PDT

  •  Nope

    by C Mac on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:48 PM PDT

  •  no it's a speech about working families

    by ye ye ye on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:52 PM PDT

  •  no! different and great!

    by Ambboogie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:53 PM PDT

  •  Not the same speech, not yet

    Different target group,,,,crafted approach

    by jjackso1 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:09:24 PM PDT

•  ha ha!

  he got Shillary for being a Pander-bear...

  by Moxie Gurl on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:06 PM PDT

•  checking the polls before checking our principles

  Slam...

  by Hope08 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:09 PM PDT

  •  Burrnnnnn right! lol

    by Ambboogie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:09:13 PM PDT

  •  love that!

    by moja31 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:11:45 PM PDT

•  Lead by Principle, Not by Pandering!

  by Dana99 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:11 PM PDT

•  I love Obama...

  by TennesseeGurl on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:19 PM PDT

  •  I dont like your tagline

    I want her to go away altogether LOL
    ALTOGETHER

    by BenjaminOMeara on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:09:01 PM PDT

•  he's in stride now! eom

  by newdem1960 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:26 PM PDT

•  Ya'll, I'm loving this new speech!!!

  holding the Dems accountable on principles!

  by Ambboogie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:37 PM PDT

•  I love to

  hear this man speak.  He fills me with such optimism.

  by stitch813 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:42 PM PDT

•  a little more somber and less energy

  in the room than friday in nc...

  i hope the news tomorrow is about his great numbers in the ny times/cbs polls, to help push indiana in his direction

  by maxnyc on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:42 PM PDT

  •  It's more gravitas

    He's doing good!

    by jenontheshore on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:49 PM PDT

    •  Damn good

      I love this message.  I love the inspiring speeches but this one rocks.  he's a fighter and authentic.

      by stitch813 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:16:30 PM PDT

  •  It's Indiana

    The people I know there are pretty damn serious.

    by huckleberry on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:35:12 PM PDT

•  Great Speech

  Gosh...

  I can't wait for the general election to start. He will be able bash Mccain without restraint all day long! I fully expect him to say this kind of stuff:

  "John Mccain has admitted he doesn't understand the economy. Do you know who else doesn't understand the economy? George Bush! It's no wonder Mccain wants to make the Bush tax cuts permanent!"

  by jenontheshore on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:09:01 PM PDT

•  Not the same as NC

  by TNforkerry on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:09:08 PM PDT

•  Obama talking about energy policy

  and the "gas tax holiday" plan

  by Philly Dem on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:09:22 PM PDT

•  What kind of reception did she get? I

  just got started on this....ALso, FOX is keeping with it and CNN is cutting away for commercials!

  by Kyman on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:09:34 PM PDT

  •  Lukewarm. n/t

    by DrJeremy on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:59 PM PDT

  •  oddly, cnn *here* did not cut away for a

    commercial, even though mike sanchez said they were going to a commercial.....

    by nicejoest on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:11:06 PM PDT

    •  Oh...I assumed they left

      because I switched to Fox...Never mind!

      by Kyman on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:25 PM PDT

  •  she got lots of applause

    but it was a very positive speech.  She only made a couple soft jabs at Obama (healthcare and gas tax)

    She had some "unity"-type lines that seemed to get applause from the whole room

    by bawbie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:13:13 PM PDT

•  Gonna zap her on Gas tax holiday...

  by Phil S 33 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:09:45 PM PDT

•  Do we trust the oil companies? NO

  by Dana99 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:09 PM PDT

•  I don't trust the Oil Companies...

  who the hell would?

  by Moxie Gurl on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:16 PM PDT

•  He's going after the gas tax

  Zing!

  by Ambboogie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:18 PM PDT

•  and guess what folks...yes he seems a bit

  tired but tye energy of a friday night is ALWAYS
  better than late sunday night

  by maxnyc on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:24 PM PDT

•  It is a shell game nt

  by Philly Dem on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:25 PM PDT

•  Shell Gate

  by Tricky on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:27 PM PDT

  •  it's a Shell game....literally

    great line

    by gnicholl on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:11:27 PM PDT

•  Congressman Ben Chandler has a diary

  up..here...let's show him some support.

  P.S. sorry for spamming..posted the same in the other thread too.

  by joy sinha on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:39 PM PDT

•  'Shell' game

  that's funny

  by MLDB on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:39 PM PDT

  •  Literally

    I loved it.

    by houyhnhnm on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:21:22 PM PDT

•  Slam on gas tax holiday. Excellent. n/t

  by DrJeremy on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:44 PM PDT

  •  I think he's better tonight than in NC

    He's calmer but clearer.

    by Earl3 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:11:27 PM PDT

    •  NC was great b/c the sense was he needed his mojo

      back. tonight he's looking a little more presidential.

      by moja31 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:27 PM PDT

•  Shell game....nice pun

  by TNforkerry on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:46 PM PDT

•  A "Shell" game---and he missed the pun...

  by Phil S 33 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:53 PM PDT

  •  I think he got it...

    when he said "A Shell game... literally.."

    by chelle in mo on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:11:32 PM PDT

    •  I now agree...

      by Phil S 33 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:13:20 PM PDT

•  BEAUTIFUL!!

  Calling out the party -

  "What kind of party are we?"  "Are we a party of expediency?"  

  by chelle in mo on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:10:55 PM PDT

•  It Is A Shell Game "Literally"

  I LOVE how he said that.

  by WeBetterWinThisTime on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:11:01 PM PDT

  •  It's a play on the fact that the only person

    HRC could get to support her gas tax "holiday" was a Shell lobbyist.

    by CeeusBeeus on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:14 PM PDT

    •  I know

      I just love how he said it.

      by WeBetterWinThisTime on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:35 PM PDT

•  Empty gestures...we need Real Solutions - hah!

  twisted that one i her back!

  by Dana99 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:11:06 PM PDT

•  I like this speech

  and he couldnt be clearer on the gas tax.

  by snowbird42 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:11:13 PM PDT

•  He is realllllllly holding the dem party's

  feet to the fire

  by Ambboogie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:11:24 PM PDT

•  He is really highlighting the definition of

  change!!!

  by Ambboogie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:12 PM PDT

•  How much coverage does this get in IN?

  by sharris0512 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:19 PM PDT

  •  All of our major stations will be

    talking about it on the evening news... the Fox 10pm news is talking abou tit now

    I dont know how in depth they will go though.

    by Ambboogie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:38 PM PDT

•  why

  why are many of you saying Obama is not giving a great speech tonight, I think you all have been spoiled too much by Obama. He's doing great!

  by boomersun on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:30 PM PDT

  •  He started out slow

    much better now

    by newdem1960 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:13:19 PM PDT

    •  just like The William Tell Overture n/t

      by Kitty on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:57 PM PDT

•  It's about who we are as AMERICANS

  by Moxie Gurl on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:36 PM PDT

  •  Eyes on the prize!!!!

    by Azdak on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:13:14 PM PDT

•  This is one of his best speeches

  He keeps getting better and better.

  by Fools on the Hill on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:38 PM PDT

•  Could Fox be unwittingly helping him?

  Undecided voters with open minds must see the contrast between these two.

  by newdem1960 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:47 PM PDT

  •  I was thinking the same thing...

    by ElizabethAM on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:41 PM PDT

•  OMG

  I believe this is bigger than me, J. McCain, H. Clinton -- he put her last!!!! Haaaaaa!

  by gchaucer2 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:53 PM PDT

•  FOX I'm sure in on in

  a lot of homes

  by TNforkerry on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:13:13 PM PDT

•  BO: Reclaiming the dream

  will take more than one election....

  he's being very realistic.

  by Ambboogie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:13:38 PM PDT

•  I think the reason is he less energetic

  tonight then in the NC JJ Dinner is because it might be an older audience and is toning it down a bit?

  Who knows, he is still getting issues across.

  by ElizabethAM on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:13:58 PM PDT

  •  He is not less energetic.. He is taking on a

    serious tone....

    by TennesseeGurl on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:41 PM PDT

  •  David Ypsen of IN

    Brian Howey said to succeed he had to be less lofty and more nitty gritty in his JJ speech.
    Guess he listened. It is all about the local culture

    by BenjaminOMeara on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:05 PM PDT

  •  He knows this is being

    broadcast on Fox as well -- tempered is better.

    by gchaucer2 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:07 PM PDT

  •  They all just ate

    It's a real dinner.  NC was more like a rally.  

    by huckleberry on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:36:25 PM PDT

•  DAAAAAAMN!!!

  He's putting it out there!

  by GeeMa on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:17 PM PDT

•  We can provide relief that is more than a holiday

  great line.

  by eyesonthestreet on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:17 PM PDT

•  He's getting HOT now!!!!!

  by Dana99 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:17 PM PDT

•  Making empty promises...

  everyone goes home and nothing changes and then start the same promises again in 4 years...

  by Moxie Gurl on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:28 PM PDT

  •  nice motto, moxie (hah)!

    by Dana99 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:18 PM PDT

•  This is LEADERSHIP.....

  the contrast between a real leader and a Pander Bear could not be more striking.

  by Azdak on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:34 PM PDT

  •  Love this

    Pander Bear.  

    Does someone have a pic of a Pander Bear?

    by Hail To the Chimp on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:53:07 PM PDT

    •  Here's a sketch.....

      here

      by Azdak on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:57:59 PM PDT

•  CHEEEERRRRRSSSS!!

  Someone is yelling Yes We Can...give that man a cigar..

  by Kyman on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:42 PM PDT

•  Was the crowd this excited during Hillary's talk?

  by briefer on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:48 PM PDT

  •  HELL NO!!!

    She was almost bizzarely laid back, stumbling and rambling.

    by newdem1960 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:50 PM PDT

    •  The start of her speech

      Reminded me oddly of an Oscar acceptance speech with a long list of thank yous to this one and that one.

      That's the most boring part of the Oscars too.

      by dotsright on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:43:45 PM PDT

  •  Hmmmm...No

    by C Mac on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:16:00 PM PDT

•  This is an AWESOME speech

  Some of you folks have some high standards....I think this speech is perfect. He looks so presidential.

  by jenontheshore on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:14:51 PM PDT

  •  I agree

    He is the real thing.
    Maybe this time...I work for it for my grandkids

    by snowbird42 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:16:05 PM PDT

  •  I like this speech. It's not too firey and

    brimstoney. He's being more careful than in NC and I like it better.

    by Earl3 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:16:26 PM PDT

    •  Different audience

      by Kitty on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:47 PM PDT

  •  Obama has raised expectations

    So when he doesn't meet those very high expectations, people here get disappointed...

    by IhateBush on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:31:49 PM PDT

•  needs no teleprompter now! eom

  by newdem1960 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:11 PM PDT

•  Mustache anyone?

  This is dumb but it looks like he's growing a mustache.  Is it just really bad/funky lighting?

  by Somewhere in Texas on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:17 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for pointing that out.

    Now I can't unsee it.

    by vengeance for mr sympathy on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:16:17 PM PDT

  •  Rico Suave

    haha...maybe he did not have time to shave!!

    or maybe that "testicular fortitude" is really starting to kick in....

    by tambora on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:09 PM PDT

  •  bad lighting indeed

    He looks like a Warhol silk screen, at least on Fox.  Did Hillary look washed out, because of the poor camera image or poor lighting?

    by LincolnDuncan on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:50 PM PDT

    •  she looked a little scary ...

      I thought it was just her.

      by chelle in mo on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:19:44 PM PDT

  •  definitely the lighting

    a mustache would look more sleazy than presidential.

    by moja31 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:51 PM PDT

  •  HILLARY?

    by kailuacaton on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:22:29 PM PDT

•  "Wheels

  came off the Straight Talk Express."

  Love it every time he says it.

  by chelle in mo on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:20 PM PDT

•  He'll pick it up

  I thought his NC dinner speech started slow and more subdued, and he climaxed and ended strong. I think its good that he's talking issues/policy so people watching FOX, CNN, etc see he's not just all "empty speeches"

  by drmavis on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:23 PM PDT

•  prevention

  .....a health care system...instead of a disease care system.

  Bravo ...from this health care worker

  by gnicholl on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:23 PM PDT

•  We're here to provide straight talk

  Great line

  by Philly Dem on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:28 PM PDT

•  I really enjoy when he attacks McCain..

  ideals got waylaid on the way to the nomination..

  by audiored on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:32 PM PDT

•  Holy Crap

  he nailed McCain!!

  by gchaucer2 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:40 PM PDT

•  I'm amazed Fox is still doing it live!

  by Phil S 33 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:49 PM PDT

  •  I'm amazed too

    i'll have to take your word for it though, I DONT DO FOX!

    by Ambboogie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:16:32 PM PDT

  •  CNN has it back on n/t

    by Earl3 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:02 PM PDT

  •  pretty weird ..huh...

    by reesespcs on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:03 PM PDT

    •  They showed all of Hillary's too

      I think its just so they can perpetually advertise them both being on FOX tomorrow morning.

      by bawbie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:19:33 PM PDT

  •  They're hoping he says leftie things

    Then they can remind viewers later

    by newdem1960 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:18:32 PM PDT

•  Sounding more and more like RFK.

  by briefer on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:15:57 PM PDT

•  Hitting McCain where it hurts

  by TNforkerry on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:16:09 PM PDT

  •  What's he saying?

    by choochmac on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:19:08 PM PDT

•  the wheels came off the straight talk express...

  love this line...

  by reesespcs on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:16:12 PM PDT

•  small audience, but standing-o's

  by brownsca on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:16:19 PM PDT

  •  Standing-o's ?

    You and I could get "standing-o's", but only Obama gets "Standing-O's"!

    by Doctor Who on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:22:06 PM PDT

•  National infrastructure...YES

  This is a BIG issue...

  by Dana99 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:16:50 PM PDT

  •  Huge in IN

    because of the toll road thing/.
    Nice little local call-out here

    by BenjaminOMeara on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:55 PM PDT

•  I wish he would make this even more simple..

  bad war = bad economy

  bad economy = bad war

  by audiored on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:09 PM PDT

•  "That's one of the reasons I'm fighting ..."

  Take that, Hillary!

  by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:17 PM PDT

•  heh a permenate holliday

  by teachingmathnow on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:26 PM PDT

•  "Spending $10 billion

  a day in Iraq, we can start spending it here in Indiana, we can start spending it here in the USA."

  by chelle in mo on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:17:27 PM PDT

•  PLEASE tell us the TRUTH