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Fox Military Propagandist Promotes Terrorist Murder

Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:05:14 PM PDT

‎Does support of terrorists make one a terrorist? Presumably that depends on whether you take Mister Bush’s squint-eyed November 6, 2001, prescription"You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror" – in a blindly nationalistic fashion or in a moral one. Terrorism isn’t an ideology. It’s a technique. Much as sophists and thugs - such as the late Jeane Kirkpatrick - like to twist the definition to fit who is carrying out a policy, terrorism can't be one thing for them and something else for us.

Yet one of the most pre-eminent of the Pentagon’s chosen propaganda team of ex-military-cum-television-analysts, retired Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney, not only supports but promotes terrorism against Iran. He's still spewing on Fox News despite having been exposed by David Barstow’s revelations three weeks ago.

This isn’t new territory for McInerney. He’s argued for attacks on Iran for as long as Bill Kristol and other neoconservatives have done. As a member of the Iran Policy Committee, McInerney has long argued that the State Department should take the Mujahideen-e Khalq off its terrorist watch list. The group originated as leftwing opposition to the Shah of Iran in 1963 and was involved in various operations, including the taking of U.S. Embassy hostages in 1979 and the bloody suppression of the Shiite revolt in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Although MEK killed Americans as well as Iranians in the past, it has since adopted a public veneer of being a backer of freedom and democracy as soon as the Iranian mullahs are overturned, the idea being to install one of its founders as Iran’s president.

Although thousands of MEK fighters based in Iraq were disarmed in 2003 when the U.S. military arrived, the organization has since been implicated in attacks in Iran, including assassinations and bombings in public places. Given Mister Bush’s ordering of clandestine activities in Iran and long-standing White House support for various armed groups along Iran’s borders as – belatedly – reported in the Los Angeles Times three weeks ago, such activity can hardly be surprising to anyone who has followed U.S.-Iranian relations even cursorily.

But, just as Max Boot and Robert Kaplan and Stephen Peter Rosen and others argue quite openly for American empire, now we have a well-connected ex-general openly calling for terrorist attacks – excuse me, responses – in Iran. With a Fox News reader cheering him on.

McInerney starts one minute into the video linked here.

Question: If we do have evidence, and apparently we do, according to officials, that Iran is killing U.S. troops in Iraq or supporting that, why haven't we struck by now?

McInerney: It beats me, Greg. I don't know why we haven't. They have killed hundreds of Americans with their explosively formed projectiles [EFPs], and that's why I think we have to take action. And here's what I would suggest to you. No. 1, we take the National Council for Resistance in Iran off the terrorist list that the Clinton Administration put them on, as well as the Mujahideen-e Khalq that are at Camp Ashraf in Iraq. Then I would start a tit-for-tat strategy. For every EFP that goes off that kills Americans, two go off in Iran. No questions asked, people don't know have to know how it was done. It's covert action. They become the most unlucky country in the world. And then I would start moving U.S. carrier battle groups into the region, as well as some of our stealth aircraft, just to make sure they understand, don't try to kick off a major insurrection come October and September, October to impact our elections. They are deliberately ratcheting up and we’ve got to counterattack.

As McInerney pointed out, this isn’t the first time he has made this proposal. He did it in a March 30, 2007, column, too. And while he suggests that the tactic won’t endanger civilians, this is a detestable lie. IEDs, whether equipped with EFPs or not, kill civilians in Iraq all the time. Deploying McInerney’s monstrous terrorist proposal would mean murdering Iranians - men, women, children - who happen to get "unlucky."

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  •  What a jackassian suggestion (10+ / 0-)

    Every damn group we've ever sponsored to do our nasty stealth work has turned around and bitten us in the face. I say send The General there...alone.

    Any attack in Iran that could be linked to the US in any fashion would be the end of this nation. So much for giving a damn about the USA. It's all violence, war, we'll determine who becomes a democracy (cough), such manure.

    A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves.

    by Its any one guess on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:12:47 PM PDT

    •  He fits in with Hagee (3+ / 0-)

      "Whosoever opposes Israel will see 5/6ths of their population slaughtered by the hand of God" Nations that stand by and do not help Israel will suffer the same fate, God will not be trifled with.

      As Hagee is quoting Ezekial, it is amazing the prophet predicted the rise of militant Islam and never did refer to it directly by name. Almost as if someone were twisting some vague biblical passages to fit his own agenda.  

    •  Shall we just create the next Osama now, General? (3+ / 0-)

      As IAOG points out, past efforts at counter-terrorism (in the worst possible sense) have come back to haunt in some way, support for bin Laden the worst case of all.

      Talk about tempting the laws of unintended consequences....

      •  And to think that Jimmy Carter started it all (0+ / 0-)

        July 3, 1979: The day we started down the road to 9/11 with secret $5 million in aid to Afghan "freedom fighters".

        Peace loving, humanitarian Jimmy Carter!

        I wonder what he thinks about that now in hind sight?  

        Bush Administration: Proving the saying, "You can fool most of the people some of the time, and 30% 24% 19% all the time."

        by Helpless on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:34:22 AM PDT

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  •  Haven't we learned our lesson (5+ / 0-)

    from Afghanistan in the 80's.  BTW, I love it when right wingers hint that the terrorists want the democrats to win.  A terrorist attack prior to the elections would only help the Republicans.

  •  Angry Little Children (12+ / 0-)

    Neo-Cons are angry five year olds, shouting, screaming and then crying because no one's listening to their tantrums anymore.

    When we take away the last of their toys in November, lets just pray they don't wet their diapers one last time -- and get thousands more killed in the process.

  •  Amazing (11+ / 0-)

    that one of our generals, who supposedly respects civilian rule, is advocating this.  I guess MacArthur was doing this sort of thing 50 years ago, but we all better understand the dangers of nuclear weapons now.  When will these cowboys get off their horses and stop?

    I wish for once these "experts" had to live with what they have wrought or wish to implement.  They would change their mind quickly when the "other" becomes them.

    •  RE Amazing (3+ / 0-)

      Ever heard of Operations Northwoods? The Joint Chiefs signed off on that, including the Chairman.

      When the Reagan administration had a Beirut highrise truck-bombed, their target (Sheikh Fadlallah) had a banner strung across the ruins saying - Made in the USA.

      Terrorist acts in Iran would be playing right into our enemies' hands. Given the general's tenuous grasp on reality, I'm surprised he isn't advocating crucifixion.

  •  Don't You Realize (7+ / 0-)

    The U.S.-funded Contras who killed Benjamin Linder and the Chilean operatives who blew up Ronnie Moffat in Washington D.C.  were "Freedom Fighters."  The same for the U.S.-trained Argentinian militarists who tortured people, drugged them, then hurled them out of airplanes over the South Atlantic -- Freedom Fighters, the equivalent of our own founding fathers.

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:14:17 PM PDT

  •  blithering fucking idiot. (5+ / 0-)

    move over, doug feith...

    "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

    It's time: the albany project.

    by lipris on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:17:08 PM PDT

  •  Fighting terror with terror? (3+ / 0-)

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    The absurdity marches onward.

    There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

    by OHeyeO on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:17:25 PM PDT

    •  we've already decided to fight terror with terror (1+ / 0-)

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      it's no different than what we did in Afghanistan to "fight terrorism".

      And not many of us objected to THAT.

      Had we objected then, and had "terrorism" then been treated as a law enforcement issue rather than as a military issue, the whole insanity (both domestic and foreign) might never have begun.

      Editor, Red and Black Publishers http://www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

      by Lenny Flank on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:22:26 AM PDT

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  •  " to impact our elections." (11+ / 0-)

    is the key phrase he utters there.

    WHO exactly wants to "impact our elections?"

    Gosh, I wonder.

    Setting the stage ...... that's all he's doing here.

  •  Blood Money (8+ / 0-)

     That's what McInerney gets from Fox to spew, and from his contacts post retirement to make his fortune now he has his chops as a senior "retired" military.

    These kind of military never retire. They thought only of themselves and their cliques when they were paid by the taxpayer, and now they are happy to work as experts for the merchants of death.

    Very special people.

    That bit where they were "unbiased" helpful sideline commentators, secretly fully briefed and carrying the Pentagon/Bush/Cheney predatory war line.

    No blood for oil.  Unless it is their blood...which of course they will move heaven and earth to avoid.

    Heroism is for the unlucky, the grunts, the lowlifes who bear the brunt. At McI's level,they get to fight war from secret bunkers in Washington DC and elsewhere.

    Goddamn  them all! Where have we heard that preached before?

    McCain: Unlike most Repub licans, he HAS dropped bombs on a people and country that did not attack America. It fits: Warmonger

    by Pete Rock on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:19:20 PM PDT

  •  So basically (9+ / 0-)

    He's advocating the killing of Iranian civilians, or am I crazy? Or is he crazy?

  •  Supremecy of the narrative over reality (0+ / 0-)

    only ends with one candidate.

    "That's what killed Dennis Day-- contempt for the audience." -- Phil Hartman as Frank Sinatra

    by Pangloss on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:20:25 PM PDT

  •  Someone remind me who the terrorists are again? (3+ / 0-)

    Because to the rest of the world, our daily entanglements in non-US countries seem as logical as this guy's proposals seem to us.

    major combat operations have ended in iraq the 2008 democratic primary. (05/06/08)

    by haruki on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:20:56 PM PDT

  •  O'Hanlon, again... (3+ / 0-)

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    mcfly, mjd in florida, Stranded Wind

    Link to Brandon Friedman's diary:
    http://www.vetvoice.com/...

    "...fighting the wildfires of my life with squirt guns."

    by deMemedeMedia on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:23:06 PM PDT

  •  Language usage note (0+ / 0-)

    There was one off note in this post - the use of the word "spewing" to describe General McInerney's statements.  Whenever I see that word in an article I feel discouraged from reading further.  MB is one of the best writers here. That didn't sound like him.

  •  Bolton and others discussed here... (1+ / 0-)

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    from Chris diary:
    http://www.vetvoice.com/...

    "...fighting the wildfires of my life with squirt guns."

    by deMemedeMedia on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:25:30 PM PDT

  •  Bush Responsible 250K tons looted IED shells (3+ / 0-)

    See link below :  I remenber the articles - even covered on network news the first 2 weeks of the war - Unguarded Ammo dumps looted by Iraqui's Despite Pleas - Begging by local commanders for orders to protect these sites!!!!

    Us WinSmiths - will NEVER see FOX, CNN etc. re-cover these  old news stories - the White House IS responsible for the deaths of our men and women by those IED's NOT IRAN!

    http://hammernews.com/...

    Blind loyalty to self-defeating strategies is equally destructive as working for your enemy.

    by Hiroprotag on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:26:30 PM PDT

  •  there used to be a reason why the military had (1+ / 0-)

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    Fiona West

    a civilian CIC. and the CIC was answerable to a body politic.
    this state/corporation thing is wrapped tightly in the flag isn't it?

  •  Tit for tat, and then some (2+ / 0-)

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    Hhhmm, sounds more cathartic than practical.

    The last thing we need to do is start a war with Iran. Unless these neocons want to start offering up their kids and grandkids to go over their and fight the war, these folks better start backing off their rhetoric.

    With a leader like Bush, who needs enemies.

    by SpiffPeters on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:28:17 PM PDT

  •  I am impressed by the power of Pavlovian (6+ / 0-)

    conditioning, e.g., in the realm of enemy recognition, over rational thinking.  The technique has been masterfully used to exploit the fears of the most powerful nation in the world to an extent I figured was hardly imaginable in this country.  How wrong can one be?  In retrospect, very damn wrong.

    We don't have time for short-term thinking.

    by Compound F on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:28:24 PM PDT

  •  Clowns! Clowns! I see clowns!!! (5+ / 0-)

    I swear my eleven year old has better sense than this bunch. We fight terrorism ... with terrorism? Puh-lease - my $300 stimulus check is going to be spent replacing my bullshit meter, which just got totally overloaded.

  •  Oh whotta great strategy (3+ / 0-)

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    Ask the Iraqis how well that works.

    Barack Obama will be President, John Edwards will send George W Bush to The Hague

    by vanguardia on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:30:14 PM PDT

  •  He has watched way too many Clint Eastwood movies (3+ / 0-)

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    vanguardia, Fiona West, rhutcheson

    They become the most unlucky country in the world.

    But remember, we are there to help the Iraqis:

    Then I would start a tit-for-tat strategy. For every EFP that goes off that kills Americans, two go off in Iran.

    If an EFP goes off and only kills Iraqis, well they live in the second most unlucky country in the world.

    .

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:31:12 PM PDT

  •  HIGHLY PAID LIARS (6+ / 0-)

    THAT SUPPORT MURDER

  •  The Iranian People love Americans, (3+ / 0-)

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    Shockwave, mcfly, Phil N DeBlanc

    even though their gov't does not.

    We've got to stop the GOP madness before it begins.

    -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

    by sunbro on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:36:05 PM PDT

  •  Fox News: "Kurds Threaten Attacks On America" (3+ / 0-)

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    In the back of my head is the notion that soon China is going to say "Hey Mao was right. Let's dump the dollars!" This will probably be in conjunction with the Gulf States, one of which, Saudi Arabia, is officially preparing for nuclear fallout in the region. (the Saudi Paper link has become inactive.)

    We've gone from the Shining Light on the Hill, the the Dark Night of Hell in just 8 years!

    Kurdish Rebels Threaten Attacks Against U.S. Interests Abroad
    Kurdish rebels could launch suicide attacks against American interests to punish the U.S. for sharing intelligence with Turkey after Turkey bombed rebel bases, a spokeswoman for a wing of a rebel group warned.

    ...She said some rebels want to join suicide squads to avenge the deaths of their comrades but that "combatants are under the control of the organization," which she said is against such attacks. That may change, Derseem hinted.

    "We have changed our stand toward the United States government and we are standing against them now," she said. "Maybe some day ... individual combatants might launch suicide attacks inside Iraq and Turkey, and even against American interests."

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:37:26 PM PDT

  •  I am so tired of this BS !! (2+ / 0-)

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    If every last member of the Armed Services AND American contractor isn't out of Iraq by Jan. 20, 2010, I say we impeach the then POTUS, whoever he/she is. It's time that America limit its mistakes to being within our own borders and demand competency from our elected officials so these errors are minimized.  

    With money, all things are possible. <---- me

    by that sucking sound on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:40:43 PM PDT

    •  why wait? (2+ / 0-)

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      Shockwave, truong son traveler

      seriously.  what's the advantage to waiting?  why not talk to Iran, provide them a security guarantee conditioned on their behavior, announce an immediate withdrawal, and then begin it.

      We don't have time for short-term thinking.

      by Compound F on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:59:07 PM PDT

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      •  I concur. (0+ / 0-)

        Pelosi took impeachment off the table. That's why I just sent a check to St. Cindy. I hope Sheehan sends Pelosi home to her million dollar home. (I'm not sure that Pelosi's bank account is consistent with being the leader of "The People's House".)

        I figure we give the next President a year - 365 days. If they run on the promise of getting out the troops and can't get it accomplished in a year, then they lied to us and deserve to be fired.

        With money, all things are possible. <---- me

        by that sucking sound on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:21:50 PM PDT

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        •  Why not fire the liers we have now (1+ / 0-)

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          BEFORE they attack Iran?

          Why would a Dem Congress impeach a Dem president if they don't impeach the worst Republican Prez and VP ever? Now is the time.

        •  That's ok then, (0+ / 0-)

          None of them are running on the promise of getting out the troops.

          They're talking about drawing down and about residual forces and about changing the mission, but not about actually leaving.

          We're there and we're not leaving until we're forced out. Either by the Iraqis, by the lack of money to keep troops there, or by public opinion back here.

          The Empire never ended.

          by thejeff on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:31:05 AM PDT

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  •  I know! Let's use the local mujahideen! (1+ / 0-)

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    Shockwave

    That's always worked out for us before.

    "Are we still, and if so on what grounds, Galilean and Cartesian?" Alain Badiou, Manifesto for Philosophy

    by Niky Ring on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:42:51 PM PDT

  •  when will these people be brought to book? (1+ / 0-)

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    Shockwave

    When will this end?

    When will the American government practice the liberty and democracy it preaches? When will the people of the Middle East be allowed to live in peace? WHEN?

    "Beware the terrible simplifiers" Jacob Burckhardt, Historian

    by notquitedelilah on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:48:09 PM PDT

  •  Good God! (1+ / 0-)

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    Shockwave

    How the fuck did this moron ever get promoted to general.  And are there any more crazed idiots like him with keys to the lauch codes?

  •  My grandmother, bless her, a Holocaust survivor, (7+ / 0-)

    an ardent socialist, a fighter, a solid Democrat (after she arrived in the States from Latvia via Sweden, during The War), must be rolling in her grave.....

    Where in the hell do Jews like Max Boot and Robert Kaplan, and Stephen Peter Rosen, and Wolfowitz, and Abrams, and Kristol, and Perle, and Feith, and so many more (along with groups like AEI, AIPAC, and JINSA) get off embracing fascism and unjust and illegal wars? WTF has happened to these people, and why aren't more of the liberal/progressive Jewish majority doing more to fight these evil, ugly demons within their/our midst?

    Yes, there are groups who are doing something, like J-Street, and there's people like Eric Alterman and Chomsky, but it seems to me there should be a more mass uprising against these blatant fascists. They are soiling the good names and works of the many Jews who have fought for justice, peace, and democracy. How were these devilish bastards allowed to come to prominence with such impunity? Why weren't they stomped down before they could do the damage they have done?

    Time for more radical action against these people. They are sub-humans, and in addition to deserving our universal scorn, they deserve, one and all, to be tried for treason and war crimes. Every. Damned. One. Of. Them.  

    ELECT LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES NOW!

    by Hornito on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:54:40 PM PDT

  •  The dogs of war have been unleashed (5+ / 0-)

    Iran is already under attack.

    A Gulf of Tonkin Incident sort of thing is about to happen.

    $200/barrel oil will follow.

    I, as well as many others, have been wrong about the timing of the Iran chapter of the GWOT, but not about the wishes of Bush/Cheney and the neo-cons to get it going before November 2008.

    I am very afraid that Hillary is all for it.  Her "obliterate Iran" comment, her vote for the Kyl-Lieberman resolution, her hanging out with "the Family" are some of the dots I connect.

    Obama is my last hope.

    Dailykos.com; an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action -1.75 -7.23

    by Shockwave on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:03:35 PM PDT

  •  he wants to "Obliterate" them? (0+ / 0-)

    is he a Clinton advisor?

  •  terrorists attack me; freedom fighters support me (1+ / 0-)

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    Good is when we take from them; evil is when they take from us.  How can this be so difficult to comprehend?  ;-)

  •  I already cry for the women dying in childbirth (2+ / 0-)

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    And the aged suffocating to death in heat without medical care.

    We killed 1,000,000 in Iraq and we keep on killing.

    How many will we kill in Iran?

    Shame on bush for using 9/11 to do all this evil crap on the face of this planet.

    And shame on all his little supporters, the "bushies," who saw the photos from Abu Ghraib, at very least, and then decided that we needed 4 more years of this torture and this genocide against Muslim People.

    As an aside, how will those in the Middle East who stand to profit from this war, those who are holding land and stubbornly refusing to share it, those who terrorize the Middle East in their own little way, how will these people reconcile what America has done on their behalf?

    Did they really want these genocidical actions taken against the Persians and the Iraqis?

    Will they dance when the deeds are done?

    Will they thank God that the events of the past lead to their dreams coming true?

    Only the PTA? You know what the PTA stands for? Three things I respect and fear. Parents, Teachers, and Associations. [Rob Petrie]

    by eroded47095 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:16:53 PM PDT

  •  Think of this: (0+ / 0-)

    US weapons were found in the hands of the Iraqi fighters.I guess that makes the US a terrorist also.

  •  Insanity (2+ / 0-)

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    The idea of trying to talk to the Iranians and bring peace to the Middle East I guess is just complicated for anyone in this administration to even contemplate.

    "War is a cowardly escape from the problems of peace." - Thomas Mann

    "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent." - Issac Asimov

    "All war is a symptom of man's failure as a thinking animal." - John Steinbeck

    •  If Iran would just offer us access (6+ / 0-)

      to their oil and gas the good times would roll again.

      As with Iraq, Washington and London believe our national interests are more important than Iran's sovereignty.

      Meanwhile -

      on March 17 when Iran and Switzerland signed a 25-year gas deal. According to the Swiss government, the deal between Elektrizitats-Gesselschaft Laufenburg and the National Iranian Gas Export Company is worth US$42 billion. It is the first of its kind in the recent past in which a European energy company has actually signed a firm contract with Iran. So far, the practice has been to sign non-binding memorandum of understandings (MoUs).

      In terms of the agreement with Switzerland, Iran will deliver 5.5 billion cubic meters (bmc) of gas per year to Europe, starting from 2010 via a pipeline under construction. That the deal signified a watershed in the geopolitics of energy security was apparent from the presence of Mottaki and visiting Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey at the signing ceremony in Tehran. Indeed, Calmy-Rey acknowledged that Switzerland has a "strategic interest to secure our gas supplies and diversify our gas suppliers". She pointed out that the gas deal with Iran would reduce Europe's dependence on energy supplies from Russia. "We are decreasing our dependence, and the dependence of Europe, on Russian gas," she stressed in Mottaki's presence.

      Washington is likely angry. The Financial Times of London reported Washington hinted at terminating the arrangement of the US Interest Sections being located in the Swiss embassies in Tehran and Havana.

      From Asia Times

      Expect the lies and propaganda to continue.

      "Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control people..." Henry Kissinger

      by truong son traveler on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:30:52 PM PDT

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    •  How about leaving Iraq? (2+ / 0-)

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      I mean really give me a F-ing break already.

      We invade Iraq for nefarious economic reasons.

      We occupy Iraq for nefarious economic reasons.

      The Iraqi people fight back and we brand them terrorists.

      We use WMD against Iraqi civilians - DU weapons, cluster bombs and white phosphrous.

      Who is the terrorists?

      It's time to take a hard look at what we become.  It's not pretty.  Fascism is on the rise in America.  It's time to stop it.

  •  As the saying goes (0+ / 0-)

    "There is always an easy solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong."

    Barack Obama will be President, John Edwards will send George W Bush to The Hague

    by vanguardia on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:43:38 PM PDT

  •  Tat Tat for Tit, temper tantrum. (0+ / 0-)

    Tit for Tat, Douglas Hofstedler, good luck finding it on the web. Scientific American, circa 1987? Great read. One round prisoner dilemma game. Are not they all?

    ", syrup ,..., shit ,..., hotcakes." Meteor Blades
    John McCain

    by JugOPunch on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:50:49 PM PDT

  •  If murder is openly advocated, what is happening (0+ / 0-)

    that we don't know about?

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:09:47 PM PDT

  •  MB: (2+ / 0-)

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    Given gjohnsit's diary last night and others I've seen here, is there any thought of pulling it all together, maybe with input from someone (or someones) over there?  We still aren't getting the big picture, and it's very big.  We are meant only to see bits and pieces of the action, not the whole, so we don't come together as a nation to put an end to this.

    (On another front, it would be good, now that more time has elapsed to reveal the patterns, to do the same for the Latin American/Caribbean activities, too.)

  •  McInerney is another Air Force general in the (2+ / 0-)

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    mold of Curtis LeMay who are intoxicated with the idea of using nuclear weapons delivered by the Air Force.

    It seems to me that there is a god-complex with these people - the notion that they can strike like Zeus with  thunderbolts from above, never seeing the awful effects of their cavalier use of force.

    I guess when your view is from 20,000 feet, it's hard to think of the dead and dying as human.

  •  Where in hell are our leaders????? (0+ / 0-)

    WTF?

    We need to get out in front of this pronto.
    Nancy?????

    Harry?????

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:29:45 AM PDT

  •  This guy is a bastard (0+ / 0-)

    This is the sort of war mongering that is being sold to the public.  Get out of Iraq fascist generals!  You don't belong there and we all had enough of the fascist war machine.

  •  all part of "terrorism as a MILITARY problem" (2+ / 0-)

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    LarryWirth, roadbear

    When we first began treating terrorism as a MILITARY problem instead of as a LAW ENFORCEMENT problem (by invading Afghanistan to "kill all the terrorists" instead of arresting and trying them in court), we ourselves began the process that led inevitably, not only to the suspension of the rule of law, but to the treatment of ANY opponent, or even POTENTIAL opponent, in a military fashion.  It follows as night follows day.  

    Once one concludes that "those people don't deserve trials" and "we should just invade and shoot them all", it's a short step then to concluding that "anyone who might opposes us" deserves the same treatment.

    And nearly all of us in the US (including most of us here) supported it enthusiastically.

    Some still do.

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    by Lenny Flank on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:47:30 AM PDT

  •  In the context of supporting terrorists, it is (1+ / 0-)

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    obvious that any arms or weapon manufacturer who allows their production to be acquired by any individual or organization other than a professional and disciplined military of a democratic and socially responsible nation is manufacturing for and thus supporting terrorism. This applies whether you're discussing Northrop Grumman, Remington, Colt, Russian AK-47 or Chinese missle manufacturers. Armed violence is manufactured and thus falls squarely on the shoulders of the manufacturers. One cannot export the implements of death and then complain about terrorism.

    "I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self." --Aristotle

    by java4every1 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:15:09 AM PDT

  •  Vote For The Fiend Clinton (0+ / 0-)

    And you'll get someone who is in line with McInerney's bullshit. The more things change...

    It's a small world and it smells bad/ I'd buy another if I had back/ What I paid/ For another motherfucker in a motorcade. Sisters Of Mercy

    by Hudsonview on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:21:50 AM PDT

  •  And how, exactly (1+ / 0-)

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    Phil N DeBlanc

    Is Jeremiah Wright more offensive than this decorated scumbag McInerney?

    It's a small world and it smells bad/ I'd buy another if I had back/ What I paid/ For another motherfucker in a motorcade. Sisters Of Mercy

    by Hudsonview on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:26:29 AM PDT

  •  Wonderful (0+ / 0-)

    General McInerney doesn't specify where exactly the troops will be coming from to execute his grand plan (also found here).
    Perhaps we should implement a draft as soon as possible - surely most American families are happy to send their boys and girls off to Iran for the general, but certainly we all agree it should be a burden fairly shared.  Of course, we'll need to clean up the little mess in Iraq first, and don't forget that we have unfinished business in Afghanistan too.  Better make that draft eligible pool really big.  Oh, and can we raise taxes this time, so we can pay as we go?  The bill for Iraq is really big already.
    And maybe the general could come out of retirement and set an example for us this time out where the lead is flying, instead of in the TV studio.

  •  SO WHAT?! (1+ / 0-)

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    Phil N DeBlanc

    So Iran "may" be arming insurgents to kill Americans. Why shouldn't they? If Iran were to overrun Canada and and started openly planning for Regime Change in the United States, and if a group of Canadian insurgents were derailing their plans, think we wouldn't be supporting those insurgents with money, arms, and everything else we could scrape together??

    And wouldn't McInerney and his ilk be screaming for doing more?

    And, oh yes, if we didn't already have nukes, think we wouldn't be moving heaven and earth to come up with a few?

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