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My Conversation with a ‘Low-Information’ Voter

Mon May 05, 2008 at 03:37:04 PM PDT

I have to start out by saying that I am a little ashamed and embarrassed by the identity of the ‘low-information’ voter in question.  It is none other than my very own father.  Here’s a brief history to fill in some back story before I get to the details after the fold:

I assume that at least 95 percent of the people at this site are astute enough to notice my screen name and assume it means that at one point I was a member of the right wing.  Some of you may think I am some sort of repub-troll in sheep’s clothing using an ironic screen name to deflect suspicion.  Well I hope I don’t come off that way but please feel free to read my first diary for additional details of my conversion process.  I’m going to move on.

When I was first introduced to politics at 14 years old I made the mistake of bringing my Dad into the right wing fold from a previous state of non-participation.  While a got him in the water, he has sort of drifted aimlessly in and out for the past decade and a half.  I say I am embarrassed because I have never made much of a concerted effort to modernize and revamp my Father’s political beliefs.  Some would question that it is my responsibility to do this at all, but I feel a responsibility for the bum steer and subsequent lack of guidance to my dad’s political leanings.  He is a bit scatterbrained.  He picks up little tidbits and opinions from random ether ports and incorporates them into an idiosyncratic quilt of contradiction and antiquated logic.  I don’t know how I escaped this logic process train wreck, but I may have gotten some of my mom’s pragmatism and I may still be headed down that path, seeing as how I have about 30 more years to get to his age.  Despite having attributed a somewhat unique persona to my Dad, I would say that based on our conversation recently he could be considered among typical low-info voters.  Damn the torpedoes, I will proceed with this premise at full speed.

Though he has shown a conspicuous lack of effort to thoroughly educate himself in the subjects he likes to discuss (except sports, a trait I have fully received) my Dad loves to talk about stuff.  He is a ‘Chatty-Kathy’ about his job; sports (as previously mentioned); weather, road conditions and other drivers (he drives a truck for a living); and politics.  It is the latter that I received some interesting insight on a couple days ago.

I won’t try to recreate the whole conversation because our brains and my fingers would hurt by the end, but I will list some of the more salient points:

On George W, Cheney, et al:  I was perhaps most pleased by my Dad’s rant, though heavily laden with hyperbole, against of the current GOP corporate machine.  He is extremely fed up with the corporate tax breaks and the shrinking incomes of the middle class.  He can see that the right wing is created in the image of greed and looking out for number one.  This makes me happy because I can see that at least the obvious things can sink in for some people.  I can’t confirm at this time, but this is a man who, at the very least, was capable of pulling the lever for Bush in 2000, and possibly ’04.  It is a testament to how a 90 percent approval rating can plunge to a 29 in 6 years.

On McCain’s Healthcare proposal:  This is how the conversation got started.  My Dad seems to be under the impression that McCain will give us all 15,000 dollars in tax breaks to purchase our own health care.  Apparently I lack the full facts and figures on Barack Obama’s plan and single payer healthcare, as well as the ability to stop a speeding freight train as I was unable to impede the torrent of fallacies my dad has streaming through his head.  I was pretty sure the tax credit McCain was proposing was 1,500 dollars, but I he couldn’t even tell me if it was a tax rebate or some kind of earned income credit.  After becoming frustrated I changed the subject.

On the gas Tax ‘Holiday:’  Maybe it’s a function of his mistrust of the corporation pamperers in the GOP but my Father, to his credit, sees this as mostly a political ploy.  Of course, he’s not one of the truckers that pay for their own gas, so that could make a difference.  Also my Dad has a fundamental distrust of HRC, oil companies, and things that sound too good to be true.  I am happy to report that he seems to be in the majority in disbelief of this silly proposal.

On Barack vs Hillary:   On this one I can remember the exact quote:  "if it’s Obama vs. McCain, I’m voting for Obama, if it’s Hillary – McCain, there’s no way I’m voting for her."  I think this is definitely a holdover from his Conservative days in the 90’s.  He went on to rant about how Hillary wants to tax everybody and tell everybody how to live, etc. etc.  I wanted to poke a few holes in his logic, but seeing as I’m not the biggest fan of HRC right now, I didn’t have the heart for the effort.  His reasoning for wanting Obama over McCain was simple.  He wants something new.  He wants a change from corporate priority over the little people.  He is tired of the Clinton-Bush style top down politics and dynastic grip on the executive branch.  Those are my words, not his, but I have to paraphrase because his ranting can be a little disjointed and rough around the edges.  

On Iraq: He didn’t linger long on this subject, but I thought it was nice to hear what he did have to say.  He was basically extending his anti-Bush argument, talking about the war as corporate profiteering and hurting the economy (nice to see that that meme has sunk in also).  He seems to have a rather emotionless fiscal opposition to the war as opposed to a moral or national security based rationale.  I still feel like he’s in the right column, even if he hasn’t absorbed all of the right reasons for it.  I just worry that if I don’t add a few more objections to his list he may eventually be swayed back into supporting our continued presence there.

My thoughts in summary:
I realize that this is purely anecdotal and that my Dad doesn’t necessarily represent the general feeling of ‘low-info’ voters out there.  I just hope that he is a window into the disillusionment one former stanch right wing working class guy can develop with 7.5 years of President Dip-Shit, Puppet Master Cheney, and friends in office.  
This gives me hope that as soon as we have our nominee, Obama is going to crush McCain in the GE.  I personally would vote for HRC, if she were to legitimately gain the nomination (which I don’t feel she can at this point).  But I know my Dad and people like him are the reason she has such a constant high negative rating.  She’s always saying how everyone knows everything there is to know about her, and she’s still going strong.  Well, that cuts both ways.  There are a lot of people that know everything they HATE about her and won’t ever be convinced otherwise, at least not in five months of campaigning.  
I need to gather more ammo about the healthcare proposals so I can break down his fear of "socialized medicine" and his seeming admiration of McSame’s ideas.  I also need to show him other reasons to support Barack and support ending the war in Iraq.  I’ve got some time to solidify a new convert to ‘Obama Republican’ status.  I must note that I am not going to fall into that category.  I am a fully recovered Republican turned progressive.  I occasionally listen to Limbaugh for a good laugh, instead of marching orders, and I am fully committed to getting the word about Obama out to those close to me and hopefully some strangers as well.  I’ll be sure to write about any such encounters that may be interesting.  

Thanks for reading my humble diary!

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  •  Low information voters come in all types (9+ / 0-)

    Last week I had a conversation with a bookstore owner (generally well-read and up-to-date on things).  She is a Republican-turned-Hillary-supporter, saying she just couldn't vote for a man who went to a pastor like Rev. Wright because he damned America (this was before the Moyers and Press Club interviews, by the way).  When I told her about how the "God damn America" segment was actually a quotation from the American Amb. to Iraq, she cried out, "HOW COME I DON'T KNOW THAT?"  And I could only reply, "because the MSM does not WANT you to know it."  And we went on from there.  The primaries being long over, she could only say that in the GE if Obama wins the nomination she will feel a lot better about voting for him, but would still want to listen to McCain...

    •  Well actually the (2+ / 0-)

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      chickens come home to roost comment was a quote from the American Amb. to Iraq. The God damn America was more along the lines of a pastor saying America is going to hell if ... (IMO). Although you are absolutely correct in saying the MSM did a piss poor job of explaining what Wright said and who he is in any kind of context.

      Wright is kind of difficult to explain to the low information voter. I had the conversation with someone myself this weekend, and I basically ended up by convincing the person that while Wright holds some controversal "political" views, people don't go to church because they agree with a pastors politics, you can disagree completely with your pastors politics and still appreciate their religious thoughts. Then I switched subjects and started hammering in just how awful McCain would be. I think that's the trick, bringing the conversation back to 4 more years of Bush's policies.

  •  Thanks for the diary (5+ / 0-)

    It's good to hear that some low info voters stumble into the right decisions.  Personally, I don't care why so much as that it is the right decision.  I have used national security issues to get my brother in law to admit we need to get away from using oil.  he doesn't think global warming is real, but he did agree that the fact that the middle east controls the cost of the fuel used to keep our tanks, planes and other military machines running is troubling.  keep up the good work.  don't need to fight every battle every time.

  •  about health (3+ / 0-)

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    care, tell him that right now, with for-profit insurance, people who make money by denying you care are making your health care decisions.  Tell him that John McCain and a lot of other people could not buy health insurance at ANY price because they have pre-existing conditions, which can range from melanoma (McCain) to a couple of sinus infections.

    Tell him that "medical tourism" is the latest desperate way Americans are trying to get health care they can't afford at home.  That 18,000 Americans a year die from lack of access to affordable health care.

    And here's a good site: http://www.pnhp.org/

  •  I think we all have (4+ / 0-)

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    a "low info" voter or two in our families.

    I think it is great to see not only his progression, but yours as well.  The veil being lifted for many people in my own family has been an interesting process to watch.  These were the same peole who spouted repeatedly about Shrub being a virtual saviour and would repeatedly attack me or bait me to get into arguements about who was right!  Now, there have been several apologies to me and quite a bit of back-pedaling since those days.

    You can only fool people, even zealots (like those in my family!) for so long....

  •  My fave tactic with low info voters (4+ / 0-)

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    leema, MAORCA, XNeeOhCon, CalexanderJ

    is to approach them from the conspiracy point of view.  Most of them seem to love this.  Bush ordered 9/11, Cheney's making 10 bux off every barrel of oil, whatever, as long it makes repug into that all pervasive "them".

    I should be ashamed of myself, but I'm not.  I figure it's better us getting the retard vote than the other team.  If someone actually cares about knowing something I'll engage in a real discussion, but people who don't care as long as they can blame "them" for it might as well vote for us (the other team has monopolized this vote for far too long).

  •  The reason LIVs are susceptible to Limbaugh, (5+ / 0-)

    Hannity, and such is that these demagogues make them feel smart and informed, something they never used to feel.

    "Proud to be part of DailyKos -- the Best Political Team on . . . well, ANYWHERE"

    by Alden on Mon May 05, 2008 at 04:01:38 PM PDT

  •  If you want to see low info voters (0+ / 0-)

    Check out the politics forum at http://www.silive.com/...

    This is the local blog for the Staten Island Advance.  (NY-13, home of Cong. Vito Fossella, the latest elected official to sit for a police portrait.)

    You will find lots of people spouting stuff about Obama that can make your head spin.  He is a Islamic terrorist, Manchurian candidate, communist (I love when someone is both a religious zealot and communist.)  He is going to tax all our income.  He is going to enslave white people.

    On Hillary, well, she is just a nasty woman who will tax us to death.

    On McCain...he's the one!!  He'll save us.

    Now, not everyone who posts there is like that, but you get a lot of Lou Dobbs fans.  I've been called an unpatriotic internationalist who doesn't care one bit about America.  The same was said about everyone who posts at DKos.

    There are a handful of reasonable people- even reasonable Republicans, but some of what's there is horrible.

    This district might take a second look at Vito in the fall, but I think a snowball in hell has a better chance than Barack or Hillary.

    To the GOP: "You have sat here too long for any good you have done. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

    by oxfdblue on Mon May 05, 2008 at 04:04:33 PM PDT

  •  Re: Healthcare (0+ / 0-)

    I caught Michael Moore on Larry King last week and he had a good line. McCain's slogan is that he want to come up with free market solutions for healtcare which really means insurance companies with a profit motive will be making the decisions on how healthcare is administered. This will lead to much worse care for the sick, and harder to qualify for policies than any government involvement.

  •  This doesn't just happen to dopes, by the way. (2+ / 0-)

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    My dad's incredibly bright, very Democratic, and yet I mentioned in passing that McCain's current wife was the woman he was having an affair with before he'd divorced the first one. "Is that so?" he said, surprised. This actually gives me hope. There are a lot of conservative folks in the world who aren't going to be eager to cast a vote for an adulterer and a fortune-hunter.

  •  I cohabitate with a LOV (1+ / 0-)

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    Sometimes I could wring his neck and sometimes he's a LOVE!  He sometimes leaves the room when I watch Olbermann, but I know he can hear it!  He didn't vote for Bush last go round... so maybe we are making progress.  He does tend to be fact based once he knows the facts.

  •  We have my girlfriend's parents to contend with. (0+ / 0-)

    funny thing is, nothing in their values is remotely republican at all. We steer clear of all topics political but I have heard they "think I'm wonderful for a liberal." Values in practice works sometimes. Win them over by stealth.

    Sometimes the magic works.......sometimes it doesn't

    by Unrepentant Liberal on Mon May 05, 2008 at 04:48:59 PM PDT

  •  Regarding MCain and health care, (0+ / 0-)

    1. I assume your Dad gets health care from his employer. McCain will eliminate employer based health care and instead wants to give $5000 to pay for health insurance.  Your father is probably not going to be able to get much in the way of insurance for that - I don't know how old he is but you could price what his insurance would cost under McCain's plan. And that won't count co-pays, deductibles etc.
    1. When you are talking to him about single payer, do NOT EVER use the term socialized medicine. Socialized medicine means the doctors are employed by the government. Single payer means that the doctors are private but instead of dealing with 40 different insurance companies, the physician only has to deal with one payer.

    Does he know anyone on Medicare? If he does, Medicare is single payer for the elderly (and not socialized medicine even though the AMA called it that back in 1965).

    I find the term Medicare for All works to better explain single payer. You have your choice of doctor and much less money is spent in billing and other administrative costs than with a private insurance.

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