Daily Kos

Let me talk Webb, Sebelius, and Richardson

Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:14:49 PM PDT

and the order implies nothing.
This was originally composed (and posted) as a comment on the front page story by kos (Paying off her debts? VP?) which discusses vp possibilities.  I realize lots of other people are offering their ideas, so I figured why not me.   For what it is worth

  1. I was actively involved in Webb's campaign and remain in occasional contact with him through Virginia politics
  1. I have met and talked with Richardson on several occasions, and have followed his career fairly closely.
  1. I have had one conversation with Sebelius, at a fundraiser for Obama in conjunction with the National Governors' Association meeting here in DC.  I was able to observe her there.  I also heard her speak at the DNC winter meeting in DC in 2007.  And I have watched her career for a while.

So below the fold I will offer my thoughts and observations.

  1. Webb brings credibility with Reagan Democrats since he was one.   Of course he brings credibility on national security issue, but that is not what drives him.   He is very much concerned with economic equity issues and probably would only consider the VP slot if given his head on them.  

As far as Jim being an alpha male -  he knows how to be a team player.  He is so strong and no one views him as being subservient that selecting him would give the impression of how secure Obama is in himself.  

He is not a great campaigner, but comes across as someone very intelligent, very much used to working across the partisan divide.  He would help very much in carrying VA, and were he to have to leave the Senate he has a Dem governor (Kaine) to pick his replacement.

One vulnerability -  he is on his third wife.   He has children by all 3, and he was introduced at his official campaign opening in Arlington in 2006 by his 2nd wife - he remains on good terms.

RICHARDSON - I think he is ultimately the weakest of the three as a candidate.  Yes, he has a superb resume, on paper.  But he is not that effective a campaigner, does not listen all that well when people ask him questions -  I have experienced this both at Yearlykos and on a press call in which I participated.  ON the positive side, he helps heal any divisions with the Hispanic community in the SW and W, would give you NM, probably lock down NV and CO, and would certainly help in TX, with additional help that might be enough to guarantee a win for Noriega.  His presence on the ticket would maximize Hispanic fundraising, which could also be targeted at downballot races.

As a negative, how would the country react to a ticket with no one viewed as white on it?  There is still residual racism, and that should be considered.

SEBELIUS -  I pay no attention to the current polls.  I think she could put KS in play, help greatly in IA and assist in the upper Midwest (WI and MN) and possibly N Dakota.   She certainly has strong ties that help with OH, she also has a track record of working across partisan divides, she is Catholic which helps Obama with a demographic with which he is weak.   And she is white and female, and I think both are advantages.

My sense is that SOTU response was not her at her best.  I have heard her in other circumstances, and view her as a successful communicator.  And given her experience as an executive she could be of great help in organizing the government.  And through both her father and her own role as head of DGA she has a substantial network on which she could call.

I could live with any of these three.  I could name others, governors, senators, and the like, with whom I could also live.

I could not accept Clinton -  Obama's message is a new way of politics, and even minus the bitterness of this primary season, Clinton represents something very different.  And I think her stubbornness in going on now clearly serves no positive purpose.  Unless this is just for show, and she plans to drop out after WV.  Even if she did, I would not want her on the ticket.

I have a personal affection for Webb, having been intimately involved in his campaign.  I think Sebelius on balance might be the best political choice.  And regardless, Obama will have to have a great comfort level with whomever he picks.

Peace.

Tags: Barack Obama, vice president, James Webb, Kathleen Sebelius, Bill Richardson, Hillary Clinton, Virginia, Tim Kaine (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

Permalink | 157 comments

  •  I don't think my thoughts carry more weight (48+ / 0-)

    but I had a few minutes in my classroom at the end of the day, I had not done a diary today, and perhaps my observations may help someone else?

    Peace.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:15:53 PM PDT

    •  Pundits last night said "pick from Clinton Camp" (0+ / 0-)

      I don't know I agree, but have you thought about this?  When people say this, it's usually a precursor to Wes Clark, but is there anyone else you think might be good.

      Chris Matthews is pushing for Ed Rendell.  I haven't thought that through.....but it would take care of blue collar, executive experience, and deliver PA.

      NetrootNews coming soon!

      by ksh01 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:26:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  If you think Eddie gives you Florida, then maybe (5+ / 0-)

        but he is a bit of a loose cannon.  And remember, while his Jewishness helps in FL, it could potentially hurt if your strategy includes VA and some of Mountain West states -  we still have some religious bigotry

        I think Clark may have disqualified himself with over the top criticism around the time of the 3 AM ad.   That's hard to walk back.  And it is not clear what he brings to the table, or whether he is all that effective as a campaigner.

        Ted Strickland would probably make more sense than Rendell.  He did not make any extreme statements, he comes does he not from the Appalachian section of OH which can help in KY, PA and WV, and he is an olive branch to the Clinton camp.  And having served as a Congressman, he has some national government experience, and he is an ordained Methodist Minister, and served briefly as an assistant Pastor.  

        Look, I have no preferences, nor do I claim to have any particular insight into how Obama is thinking about this.  I just offered some comments on a few people who have been prominently mentioned about whom I had some observations I could share.

        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:33:56 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  re Strickland... (2+ / 0-)

          Recommended by:
          histopresto, ksh01

          OH state government is having problems of its own right now.  (i) I don't think it would be a good idea to have the Governor leave in the middle of this, unless you are willing to lose a number of the statewide offices we won last election, immediately before the 2010 redistricting; and (ii) the mess with the Attorney General is going to attach to him at least to some extent.

        •  Clark for SecState (1+ / 0-)

          Recommended by:
          ksh01

          I was very disappointed in some of the things he said about Obama before, but if he is willing to talk with Obama and work out their differences, I think he could be incredibly effective in helping bring unity.

          I think his talents would be wasted as VP but he could make a very strong Secretary of State.

          I don't think Obama should put a Clintonite as VP just as a unity ticket, he should go purely by qualifications and who will be most effective (which could be a Clinton surrogate on their own merits) but he should give consideration to putting Clinton supporters in his Cabinet.

          Hope is passion for what is possible. -- Soren Kierkegaard

          by lauramp on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:52:45 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  heh...that's why I asked (0+ / 0-)

          your responses always give me more to think about.  I don't have a real preference yet (except as much as I like Richardson, I think he's a bad choice).  it's fun to consider.  I don't know anything about Strickland, so I'll look him up.

          NetrootNews coming soon!

          by ksh01 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:01:11 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  I wiki'd Strickland and he seems interesting (0+ / 0-)

          lots of pluses.  I did notice the age criticisms....apparently, he'll be 75 years old after two Obama terms and then considered too old to run for president.  I wonder how much weight the party gives to that.....

          I wonder if his current age (67) would get in the way of the meme that McCain is too old.

          NetrootNews coming soon!

          by ksh01 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:10:37 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  He's been elected by folks who don't like Obama (0+ / 0-)

            His district was in an area where Clinton crushed Obama during the primary, similar to those areas in PA, WV, etc. that will have old-timey dems flip to McCain in the general election. But the state economy is still firmly planted in the crapper and his administration is about to get hopelessly stuck in a nasty scandal.

            "I'm not a humanitarian. I'm a hell-raiser." Mother Jones

            by histopresto on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:32:45 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  I think we cannot underestimate the power (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        ksh01

        of money... and the so-called "Clinton camp" still has plenty of it to inject into the GE.  If those people with money (and I mean REAL money) decide they want to push HRC into the Veep seat, then I think they may win that battle despite having lost the "war".  Otherwise, I think you can make a case for Wes Clark (as part of the "Clinton camp").  However, there is still a voting bloc that has been inspired to come out and vote precisely because a woman has a chance to make history (as a Veep)... and I don't know what happens to those voters.

      •  Persoanlly I would almost be happier with (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        ksh01

        Clinton then Rendell, I just did not like that fellow from the git go, nor do I respect him. Clinton.. well meh, at least I respect some of the things she does, and I did like her at one point. (And I seriously don't think she will be the VP slot)

        I am from MN and if you think our caucuses are undemocratic I have a lake to introduce you to.

        by edgeways on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:44:57 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  If the pundits said it .... (2+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        ksh01, Lady Bird Johnson

        then that is a good reason to suspect it is the wrong thing to do. What exactly have they gotten right this year, or last year or anytime recently? Obama has run a new kind of campaign and he does not need the stale advice of these folks. Personally I think Sebelius makes a lot of sense, but I trust Obama's judgement to pick someone good.

        "A republic, if you can keep it." Benjamin Franklin

        by herodotus on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:22:18 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  "pick from Clinton Camp" (2+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        ksh01, Lady Bird Johnson

        Anybody connected to the Clintons is radioactive.

        Of course, I will defer to the expert and all-knowing pundits.

        •  Naw....not radioactive (0+ / 0-)

          some are more problematic than others, though.  And some, totally inappropriate.  Not all of them are bad.  Remember, some became supporters long before Obama was an issue.

          NetrootNews coming soon!

          by ksh01 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:32:22 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  going in transit (0+ / 0-)

      will check on this when I can

      peace

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:49:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Ken- (0+ / 0-)

      What do you think of Tim Kaine's VP potential?

      "They're trying to fool you. They're trying to scare you. And they're not telling you the truth." Obama '08

      by bawbie on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:50:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  issue is not his potential (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        bawbie

        as I have noted elsewhere on this page, we have a Repub Lt Gov - my guess is he would be quite reluctant to turn over governorship to a Republican, and this one is pretty far to the right.  Obama MIGHT be able to convince him, but unless Obama frames it that he cannot win without Kaine, I expect Tim would say no.

        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:29:51 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  My choices,too (0+ / 0-)

      My observations as well, from more of a distance, though.  So, good to know your views are backed by some in-person connections.

      I too am most struck by Webb's focus on economic populism.  He is where we want to bring those "white males" to - a place where they are seeing their economic position more clearly, which brings them closer to us.

      One other piece about Webb on the ticket.  He's tough.    Whatever sense people have of Obama not having the fortitude of Clinton would be swept away by this ticket.  

      I like Sebelius as well and love the idea of having a woman on the ticket but she doesn't project tough either and that might be helpful.

      We can do better. Together we will.

      by nudger on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:08:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not to worry, ken (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think your opinions carry more weight, either, and as I had some down-time at work, I thought, perhaps, I offer that observation.

      Heh.

    •  As far as Jim being an alpha male - he knows how (0+ / 0-)

      to be a team player?

      Bullshit.

      Anybody, including Hillbilly, other than Webb.

      Reagan Democrat..... REPUBLICAN.

      Reality is best served in small portions and only to others.

      by 0hio on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:29:27 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  you obviously do not know the man (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        VA Breeze

        I will tell you he is held in high respect by his Senate brethren.  And there was a reason he was picked to give a response to SOTU as a brand new freshman Senator.

        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:35:40 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I think Webb would be great choice. Go Obama/Webb! (0+ / 0-)

  •  See my sig (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Dragon5616

    Every time someone suggests Gore as a "compromise candidate", God kills a kitten.

    by Swordopolis on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:16:47 PM PDT

  •  Janet Napolitano (3+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Cixelsyd, mcfly, Dragon5616

    Make McCain play defense in his backyard.  That would make for great fun.  Just the thought of McCain not being able to win his home state makes me smile.

  •  I don't like Webb or Richardson (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Dragon5616

    I have my concerns about Sebelius, and I think we need someone with strong foreign policy credentials

    http://gameoftheday.wordpress.com/

    by sharris0512 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:17:47 PM PDT

  •  Webb voted against the Immigration Reform Bill (11+ / 0-)

    McCain was its sponsor.

    To put Webb on the ticket would give McCain a wedge to attract more Hispanic American voters, for whom it is singularly the most important issue.

    (Remember the Univision debate? More than half of the thousands of questions mailed in by the audience were about that bill.)

    The Field has moved. Please bookmark the new location: http://narconews.com/thefield

    by The Field on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:20:58 PM PDT

    •  it's a tradeoff - (3+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      ammaloy, cfk, Dragon5616

      not one of Jim's best votes, although he offers a somewhat reasonable rationale for the vote against that particular bill.

      That actually helps with Reagan Democrats, and the question becomes if that hurts more with Hispanics so that it is not a net gain.

      Meanwhile Richardson is of no help with Reagan Dems, and probably has less experience working across party lines than either Webb or Sebelius.

      I am not expressing a preference.  I acknowledge having more contact with Webb, which I disclose.  I am advocating for none of the three.  They are the names I see most often mentioned, which is why I discuss them.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:24:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I'd like to think that (0+ / 0-)

      we can do better than a former republican for the Democratic VP.

      I've had enough Reagan Democrats, or whatever it is Webb is supposed to be.  Maybe we can get a real liberal for a change.

      "The meek shall inherit nothing" - F. Zappa

      by cometman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:43:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I've been thinking Webb for a while now. (3+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    barbwires, zerzan, Dragon5616

    I know there are some who eliminated considering him because of certain of his Senate votes. I think his strengths are a great fit for Obama: the "manly man", the Marine, the former Republican, the Asst Secy of Defense. Three wives? Just one more than McCain, if I'm counting right, and he ties Newt Gingrich.

    Every day you have less reason not to give yourself away. -Wendell Berry

    by ammaloy on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:21:36 PM PDT

  •  I don't want Webb as a VP... (4+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    New Sweden, revgerry, DaNang65, Dragon5616

    way too distracting, too hard to contain.  I like him as a Senator from Virginia.

  •  No Richardson (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    StrangeAnimals, Dragon5616

    Sorry to say, the running mate may be female, but a non-white would not help Obama.  Besides, Richardson's too DLC.

    A proud member of the "far left."

    by Paleo on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:22:13 PM PDT

    •  He did dump the Clintons to endorse (6+ / 0-)

      Barack.  I lived in NM for four+ years and he's an effective governor.  He's also a better campaigner than people make him out to be: more funny and sly than inyour face, but able to communicate complex issues in a folksy manner.

      He's pretty strong on the environment and his presence would tend to placate some (not Carville) Clintonistas.

      And he has a beard.

      •  effective goveronr? (0+ / 0-)

        please don't get me started.

        do you agree with the way that he blocked the Health Security Act during the last legislative session?  New Mexicans had a real shot at getting single payer health care, and Richardson blocked it to make sure that health insurance profiteers continue to get an enormous helping of the pie.

        I suppose he's effective if you're interested in building a huge facility to enrich uranium or continue to profit from the encarceration industry.


        ````
        peace

    •  i think any attempt to make any hay out of (0+ / 0-)

      him as a latino would result in backlash that could bring out that voting bloc in record numbers. Those numbers would likely offset the loss of the voters concerned about race/ethnicity (already lost by virtue of Obama) Leaving an open playing field for open-minded whites

      DLC is a concern, but sense he is a "judas" to those people he may not be nearly as beholden to them as he was in the past.

      I really like the idea of an excited and motivated latino voting bloc in the southwest

      "I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it." Zoe (Firefly)

      by geejay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:43:50 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  my objections to Richardson... (0+ / 0-)

      have nothing to do with his ethnicity - my objections have more to do with his profound credibility deficit and his DLCishness.


      ````
      peace

  •  Webb n/t (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Dragon5616

    Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!

    by barbwires on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:22:33 PM PDT

  •  I think you're being diplomatic on Richardson (3+ / 0-)

    but I basically agree with you.  

    NetrootNews coming soon!

    by ksh01 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:23:21 PM PDT

  •  Another Webb vulnerability (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Dragon5616

    I don't think he handled the whole issue of his past writings on female cadets well. He spent far too much time trying to explain, rather than just admitting it was wrong and putting it behind him. That's bound to come up again.

    Call it trivial if you want, but Richardson would need to ditch the beard to run for office in America. I still cringe when I remember Kerry making a nationally televised speech one night unshaven.

  •  On Clinton VP, I share your reasoning (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    DaNang65, Dragon5616

    Obama's message is a new way of politics, and even minus the bitterness of this primary season, Clinton represents something very different.

    Love = Awareness of mutually beneficial exchange across semi-permeable boundaries. Political and economic systems either amplify or inhibit Love.

    by Bob Guyer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:24:33 PM PDT

  •  Obama needs a Southern or Midwestern (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    ammaloy, Dragon5616

    small town White Catholic.  Thus the possibilities are:  Casey, Kaine, Sebelius.

    Or if not Catholic at least a Southern white male as in Webb.

    Sebelius is uninspiring and BORING.  She is the least of the 3.

    Casey and Obama look really good together on the campaign trail but Casey is a little boring.  He could help carry Pennsylvania.

    Kaine is the governor of Virginia.  He could put Virginina in play plus he was one of the very first Superdelegates to support Obama.  

    Webb has a lot of positives as well.

    Either Kaine or Webb.

    Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

    by Drdemocrat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:24:44 PM PDT

    •  but that would give governship to a Repub (4+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      cfk, lauramp, realwischeese, Dragon5616

      who is very conservative, for one year.  And I think Kaine would be quite reluctant to do that.  

      Kaine also helps in Midwest - he is originally from Kansas - he and Obama each had a grandparent from the same small Kansas town.  And he is clearly a person of substance, and his experience as a missionary is of some value, as is the fact that his wife is the daughter of the guy who basically rebuilt the Republican party in Virginia, Linwood Holton, who is still quite sharp in his 80s.

      If Obama insisted Tim was the only possibility, he'd probably acquiesce.  But I think he really wants to finish out his term as governor.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:27:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I think the mountain west (3+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      lauramp, paintitblue, Dragon5616

      which is trending toward blue is more important than the south (which we are still a few cycles away from grabbing).  It's also a growing area whose influence will be continually increasing in the future.

      •  agreed (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        Urizen

        I think that a governor (or former governor) would be a  really strong choice for Obama, bringing managerial experience to balance him out as a Senator.

        My ideal choice would be someone from a Midwest or Mountain West state. Richardson and Sebelius are good here, or someone like Brian Schweitzer of Montana.

        While it is appealing to try and turn Virginia blue with a Virginia VP, I think our interests in the long term are better served by looking West rather than South.

        Hope is passion for what is possible. -- Soren Kierkegaard

        by lauramp on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:47:38 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I'd also like to see us look away from the (0+ / 0-)

          east coast for a change.  A lot of our weakness has been that we've had too many easterners on our tickets.  Clinton Gore was a non eastern ticket and it won.  A common perception in the west is that democrats are so dominated by the east coast that they're "out of touch".  That "elitist" frame has worked because we've been playing into it by running pairs of senators from eastern states (Gore was perceived as a Washington insider during his run --he didn't even win Tennessee).

    •  I don't have a problem with boring (1+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      ratador

      as the VP choice.

      Part of my biggest issue with the Kerry/Edwards ticket was that Edwards outshone Kerry.

      No one is going to outshine Obama, but he really brings enough rock star for both the POTUS and VP.

      "They're trying to fool you. They're trying to scare you. And they're not telling you the truth." Obama '08

      by bawbie on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:53:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  So how about Edwards? (0+ / 0-)

        I am one who was waiting for him to endorse Obama but the fact that he didn't could be a plus to help court Hillary's folks, especially using Elizabeth to talk about health care.

        Good speaker, before he suspended his campaign, polled well in the mid-west, good union ties.

        There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it. ~Author Unknown

        by VA Breeze on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:55:17 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Sebelius is female and catholic... (0+ / 0-)

      ...and from the midwest. I can live with boring.

  •  Wouldn't Sebelius (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Dragon5616

    be better as the Junior Senator from KS?

    That would really rock the stereotype of Kansas as conservative.

    Je suis inondé de déesses

    by Marc in KS on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:25:37 PM PDT

    •  So why not VP (7+ / 0-)

      and eventually President?

      I like what I know about Sebelius. I'm waiting for someone to start pointing out her drawbacks besides one boring speech.

      Doesn't anyone remember that snoozer that Bill Clinton gave at the 1988 Democratic Convention? The line he got the most applause for was "In conclusion...."

      Barack needs to give her some lessons on public speaking and she should do fine.

      She gets the boomers, the older women who may see a chance again at the presidency, the Roman Catholics, and the reasonable people in Kansas who might cross over. She was against the anti-gay marriage amendment in Kansas, but her veto was overridden and she supports the right to bear arms despite her veto of a concealed carry law. She is also against capital punishment.

      Tell me what is wrong with her that Republicans wouldn't hate in any Democrat?

      •  Didn't know about the capital punishment (2+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        Brooke In Seattle, shaharazade

        position. Even better, in my view.

        I had a long conversation with a Catholic friend who probably votes Republican. She's very much against the death penalty, and I suspect she feels as strongly about this as she does about abortion.

        And remember, Ricky Ray Rector,  the retarded man who Bill Clinton rushed back to Arkansas to execute--this would be his revenge.

    •  VP gets a vote in the senate n/t (0+ / 0-)

  •  but she is not currently running (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Dragon5616

    and the issue is this cycle.  There are others who should be considered, but as i noted elsewhere, these seem to be the three most mentioned names, so I addressed them.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:28:35 PM PDT

  •  teacherken - how about Tim Kaine??? (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    realwischeese, Dragon5616

    He's Catholic and seems appealing to me - he might fill in some of the gaps with the white Catholic voters.

    I wouldn't consider Richardson although I like the guy - he ran a poor campaign and is a loose canon.

    I'm interested in Webb but I had forgotten about the bad positioning on immigration and the three wives . .

  •  Richardson's strengths are, I think (5+ / 0-)

    a nice complement to Obama's.  

    Obama is a brilliant campaigner.  Richardson is not

    Obama is half-Black, half-White.  Richardson is half-Anglo, half Latino

    Obama is strong on domestic policy, but arguably lacks foreign policy credentials.  Richardson has foreign policy credentials

    Obama is a northerner, Richardson from the southwest.

    Some of the things he said on the campaign worry me, but some of Webb's votes worry me, too.

    I don't know that much about Sebelius.

    •  Richardson is a better campaigner (4+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      lauramp, plf515, geejay, kuulray

      than he gets credit for.  He has his own style: low key and sly funny instead of noisy.  He's very good at explaining complex issues in a folksy way.  He was my governor for four+ years and I ended up impressed with him.  He's not someone who ever gets pushed around.  He wins his battles without a lot of grunting, kind of like Barack does.

      •  Plus, he would make a competent president (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        Urizen

        Nobody here seems too concerned about this. Forget political considerations for a minute; who would you feel most comfortable with being in charge if it came to that? Richardson strikes me as a competent administrator. And a likeable guy.

    •  Richardson doesn't help with the white working (1+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      plf515

      class vote which is what Obama needs.

      Kaine or Webb would help with that vote.

      Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

      by Drdemocrat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:40:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  White working class... (3+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        Urizen, FlyingToaster, geejay

        i don't see them voting for Obama because they like his VP....he's either going to win them or lose them on his own

        •  yeah I'm kinda wondering if we just need to (2+ / 0-)

          Recommended by:
          FlyingToaster, lauramp

          double down on the whole idea. Just like extra support from Blacks takes the sting out of the some white disaffection. The latino community coming out big, could make up for whatever votes his ethnicity may lose in over concerns about ethnicity.

          "I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it." Zoe (Firefly)

          by geejay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:47:38 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  I don't think we'll get the bigots anyway (3+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        FlyingToaster, geejay, little lion

        To me that's an MSM strawman.  Working people who care about their bank balance will vote with us anyway.  

        I'm really sick of hearing about "white" working class people.  A lot of working people are AA and Hispanic.  What gives the white ones the privilege of being a distinct demographic except that they're the only constituency that prefers HRC.

        Let the repugs do the race baiting.  Let's us stand up for workers of all backgrounds.

        •  my latino in-laws (2+ / 0-)

          Recommended by:
          Urizen, FlyingToaster

          broke evenly for obama and hrc, and the hrc lovers really won't vote for obama.  but if RIchardson was on the ticket, they would probably not only contribute, they would volunteer.  so white working class is split with the republicans, if we had the hispanic and black communities out in full force they would absolutely make up the difference.  the hispanic vote is a sleeping giant.  plus, richardson would deliver the southwest.
          how could you beat that charisma of an Obama/Richarson ticket?

          •  That would be my choice (0+ / 0-)

            It would also amplify Barack's non attack style.  Richardson is low key and funny instead of angry and confrontational.

            And for all those bigots  . . . each of them is half anglo, so put them together and you've got your white man.  

  •  Sebelius would be the perfect hillary replacement (7+ / 0-)

    i don't think any Obama supporter whould underestimate the feelings of bonding of the older white female with hillary.  If Obama doesn't pick a woman, it gives an opportunity for McCain to select a woman and possibly stealing disaffected Hillary supporters.

    Obama/Dean 08 Strong unions for a strong America

    by realwischeese on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:32:14 PM PDT

    •  Sebelius is even better than HRC (5+ / 0-)

      She actually has a lot more experience, balancing a budget (and curing a 1.1 billion deficit), saving schools, energy policy (she's said no to coal, repeatedly) and a host of other executive level decisions she's made.

      Plus she's far, far less polarizing. A uniter, not a divider.

      Kathy for VP 08!

      •  HRC is too similar to O to be a good (0+ / 0-)

        VP.

        In my opinion, the ideal would be if the VP candidate had served on active duty in the military and had some foreign policy or major administrative experience.

        In addition to Webb, possibilities could include Wesley Clark, Janet Napolitano of Arizona, Valerie Plame

        Also: I've only seen Richardson on TV once in my life, during a debate, but he was truly awful during that debate. The only way he'd be an acceptable candidate is if he were sick during that debate and normally is much better on TV.

        And, personally, I think Colin Powell might make a good unity ticket VP candidate, if he could find a way to make amends for his involvement in the Iraq war invasion efforts.

        If McCain picks Lieberman to be his running mate, then maybe that would increase the appeal of making Powell or Webb the Democratic VP nominee.

        •  Forget the military exp, McCain will always trump (0+ / 0-)

          Obama/Dean 08 Strong unions for a strong America

          by realwischeese on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:44:02 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  But O needs a military card (0+ / 0-)

            McCain will always beat him there -- and partly because of McCain's post-Vietnam experience, not just the experience in Vietnam.

            But I think Obama needs someone by his side who can vouch for him not being an Al Qaeda Manchurian candidate.

        •  Also: Gov. Phil Bredesen, D-Tenn. (0+ / 0-)

          Bredesen was born in 1943, so maybe he's a tiny bit old for a VP candidate, but maybe that would be good from the standpoint of making it possible for HRC to run in 2016 (or in 2012, if somehow Obama doesn't win this year).

          But I looked him up, and:

          1. He's a Presbyterian.
          1. He got wealthy by starting and selling a health care company, so he really understands health care.
          1. He's a popular Tennessee governor who's organized great health and educational reform efforts. (Expanded the Dolly Parton Imagination Library program. How's that for appealing to country music fans?)
          1. He has a bachelor's degree in physics from Harvard.
          1. He got a draft deferment in the 1960s . . . because he was working as a computer programmer on a classified satellite reconaissance program at Itek Corp. So he understands computers, AND HE UNDERSTANDS SPY SATELLITES. It seems to me that that could be really important knowledge at a time when we're worried about whether Iran and other countries have nukes.
          •  Too unknown... (0+ / 0-)

            ... and insufficiently western.

            However, if he's a second termer, he'd be damn fine in Obama's cabinet.

            •  I think a lot of VP candidates are (0+ / 0-)

              pretty obscure when they start out.

              Example: did you really know anything about Clinton when he started running for president?

              Gore was well known, but I don't think Quayle or Mondale were that well known.

              But, of course, Bredesen isn't at all Western. To me, though, Napolitano and Richardson seem like Western candidates who would be popular in the East, not hardcore Western candidates.

              The same with Feinstein, Boxer and Pelosi.

              Also, Oregon and Washington might have great Democratic governors, for all I know, but I've never heard of them even a little bit.

          •  Webb born Feb 1946 (0+ / 0-)

            Richardson Nov 1947   -  both are significantly older than Obama - half a generation.

            do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

            by teacherken on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:33:27 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Sorry teacherken (0+ / 0-)

    I was busy editing my VP diary and posted it before I saw yours.

    "It's no wonder more people call themselves Democrats; it's easy to identify with a party that identifies with you." --srmjjg

    by Dragon5616 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:33:55 PM PDT

  •  I think (0+ / 0-)

    Obama will need someone with some serious national security cred -- which is McCain's strong suit.

    I think Obama will be quite electable himself without having to worry to much about a particular state or demographic.

  •  Webb (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    KFlake, paintitblue

    Webb has another big problem - his history opposing women in combat roles. His defense on Russert comes across as agonizingly sexist IMO. Big problem.

  •  I support paying HRC's campaign debt IF ... (4+ / 0-)

    Under what conditions would you be comfortable with your Obama contributions being used to pay zillionaire Clinton's debts? I would be delighted for my few bills to go to her IF we get something for it. Specifically,

    1. She concedes immediately.
    1. She's a Senator and a Superdelegate. She immediately announces that HER superdelegate vote goes to Obama.
    1. She releases all her superdelegates and encourages them to support Obama.
    1. She spends the next month campaigning for Obama 100% of the time.
    1. She goes to West Virgina, Kentucky, Oregon, etc., and says loudly and clearly, "Any vote for me is a vote for OBAMA."
    1. She uses her email list to announce support for Obama AND to direct her supporters to donate to Obama.
    1. She changes her website to include a letter of support for Obama and a link to his site.
    1. She posts entries on MyDD and other Hillary-supporting sites in favor of Obama and asks her supporters to switch to him.
    1. She does a round or two of Sunday talk shows, and also appears on Oprah, explaining why Obama is the best choice for President.

    Under those condidtions, I would be happy to have my donations used to pay off her campaign debt.

    Any other ideas?

  •  I suspect that Sebelius is (1+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    beltane

    more popular in KS than Richardson is in NM.

    Can anyone from KS confirm that?