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Walkabout #18: The Red Pill

Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:47:54 AM PDT

   Once upon a time I was what could be called "well off". I’d been married five years, we were both educated, employed, both had consulting interests, and our income was making its way towards that double century mark. We lived in the runt of the litter in a 1950s era subdivision, a home costing what we made in eight months, but two blocks from a very nice golf course and surrounded by refurbishment projects that would sell for four to six times our home’s value when completed.

  2001 - 2002 was an utter disaster. Our new daughter was a joy but in retrospect the signs of my ex’s slide into a sort of mental illness for which there is no cure and little remediation was already underway. 9/11 took out the voice carrier where I worked. I lost control of a business I’d funded with my profits from the dotcom bust, and my ex lost her executive position at the state university due to her condition.

 There wasn’t a phrase for it then but very soon now a great many unsuspecting Americans are going to be joining those of us in the ranks of the Formerly Well Off.

 Jeffrey Brown, user westexas on The Oil Drum, is apparently the one who coined the phrase and popularized its abbreviation to FWO. He is also the shining beacon of joy behind the Export Land Model. Short English translation of this? Peak oil is real and we are so screwed.

 Energy concerns are just one of the three things closing in on us; user Burgundy on The Oil Drum enumerates and labels them: Triumvirate of Collapse – Economy, Ecosystem, Energy.

 I don’t have to lecture Kossacks on environmental concerns. There are a few nutters here who aren’t yet tuned up on peak oil but the world is going to move that misconception into the flat earth category before too long and most with eyes can see it coming. The internalization of the scope of the fraud from the mortgage scam and standing behind it the shadow banking system of hedge funds and their structured investment vehicles is a bit harder to visualize.

 I can read an SEC filing if I have an interest in the company that filed it and I worked for several years as a financial systems programmer for a large publicly held company so I know a bit about finance. I find no better summation of what is happening in the world than the work of Ilargi and Stoneleigh over at The Automatic Earth. They site primary sources and provide just enough commentary to make it digestible. If you’re not used to reading things of a financial nature it can seem like talking to a member of the disloyal Christian Right who is just certain the end of days is upon us. Don’t let that fool you – for the global financial system it is the end of days. I wrote a bit about it a bit once before – I’m labeling it The Ginormous Banking Enema of 2008. Go and satisfy yourself that it’s real and happening right now; Burgundy’s Triumvirate are the three ingredients to the red pill that many will be taking between now and the 2008 election.

 As I’ve said before most of what you see in this Walkabout series is simply stuff I’d normally do – traveling about, meeting up with strange folk on the road, walking (and occasionally sleeping) in whatever passes for the great outdoors where I happen to be, and in general very pointedly not behaving like most of the rest of the people you might know. I’m taking the time to write about it because I think that very soon a great many Americans are going to be dispossessed, just as I was seven years ago, and they’re going to need a new model of what passes for success in hard times.

 Now I’m a child of depression babies, my father was disabled when I was in junior high, and I grew up in a rural are, so I’d already had the experience of getting taken down a notch financially, but my parents didn’t flip because it was nowhere near as hard as their childhoods were. When my dad had to stop working for the railroad he could still do all sorts of things; the garden was tilled to double the size it had been the year before, the mix of animals already on the farm changed to reflect that there’d be a full time caretaker on hand, and my brother and I were old enough to go about getting our own money working on other people’s farms. Quelling goat riots here at farmerchuck’s place is like stepping into the time portal and landing back in my late childhood as far as I’m concerned.

 I hope I’m managing to speak a bit to those who’ve not had the life experiences of privation and hard work ... yet   One of the big things that is going to be an issue is skill sets. If you are a loan officer or otherwise involved in the so called "financial sector", if you’re involved in the health care field but you don’t actually do things to heal folks, or if you’re any other sort of administrative worker you may very well find yourself stripped of everything that won’t fit into one carload and pushed along from place to place, just like the Joad family in Grapes of Wrath. This goes pretty much for everyone who is involved in anything that could be filed under "discretionary spending"; there will be much less of that.

  So, what can you do? First and foremost unless you’re completely physically disabled you’re entirely capable of shoveling shit. Everyone ought to shovel a little shit at some point in their life. I haven’t photographed it yet since it isn’t a real high impact activity here at No Snivlin’ Farm, but pretty soon this beastie is going to get filled over and over as we clear the goat barn.





 You need to pick up some usable skills. Gardening! This one is ridiculous easy to begin, as all you need is a seed and a place to put it, but mastery ... well ... my mom has had a garden for over fifty years and she still learns something new with each passing year. There are good books out there – hit the books section over at Seed Savers Exchange. By way of introduction these guys run an 891 acre farm near Decorah, Iowa and they maintain thousands of heirloom seed varieties; if you just buy seed at Walmart you’re getting a sterile, corporate owned hybrid. Just search for and insist on using heirloom seeds – these will continue to produce for you long after the local big box store closes its doors.

 Skilled labor is better than unskilled in terms of pay and opportunities. If you’ve got a trade like carpentry or plumbing or so forth life will likely continue to present opportunities.  If you don’t have such a background today would not be too soon for you to learn to do something that will be perceived as useful in a world with much less oil and credit. Chuck is on this – one of our tasks, if I hang around long enough, is the conversion of old shipping containers to housing for apprentices – eight weeks here on No Snivlin’ Farm will do much to make you useful to a newly formed cooperative in your area.

 Farmerchuck is all over this cooperative stuff. We have ‘em in Iowa but they’re corporations now – dozens of employees, tens of millions in assets – a sensible thing for industrial scale farming. The other coop people know is the little grocery store where you can get Honest Tea and organic things the large chains don’t carry. Chuck believes, and I’m with him on this, that quality of life is about to start depending quite heavily on local community and a cooperative has many legal and financial benefits, as well as being a nice ideological fit for our need to relocalize most everything we do.

 I think one of the biggest helps in all this is a little visualization. I walked around amazed for a week or two after I grasped the implications of peak oil, looking carefully at each and every thing I handled during the day, looking for the fossil fuel inputs. What will happen if you lose your job? Your spouse? What if one out of every four of your neighbors does? What about one out of every two? What if gas prices stop being $3.60 and start being $6.30?

 I can’t stress this enough – if you’ve got the time to get to a community college and retrain you should do so at once. Doesn’t have to be a degree – credentialism is going out the window in a relocalized world; it’ll come down to those you know coupled with what you can do. Learning to handle a gun might be important if we go the way Argentina did, per Ferfal’s fine reporting, but equally important and much more applicable is paramedic training followed by nursing. As we’ve seen this week here on No Snivlin Farm, handling injuries large and small, both animal and human, vastly exceeds the need for the occasional impromptu coyote hunt.

 Do you know someone who has a skill that will remain usable in a post peak oil world? If they’re a freelancer you’re a fool if you don’t call them as soon as you’re done with this diary and beg for a chance to go along and carry their tools on the next job. College is one thing, apprenticeship something else entirely; one can learn most of what is needed for a goat dairy in a summer, but you’ll require a lifetime of contact with others in this community of practice to be successful. No one can know it all, those that appear to have a massive rolodex in their head filled with people whom they’ve helped with a bit of advice here or there.

 I could go on and on about this, dispatching you to read Ran Prieur and stuff like that, but I hope if you’ve been following the Walkabout series you’re already starting to get a sense of things. This one is long on verbiage and short on photos but I felt it was time – I’ve got an invite to go visit some folks in Vermont that want to do what farmerchuck is doing here, there are others in Colorado, Ohio, and West Virginia, and yesterday I got a comment from the first Kossack I’ve noticed who is a fellow itinerant.

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  •  jar of tipping (30+ / 0-)

     "Ape ass ugly" is the description a certain pithy individual has given as a description of the banking collapse ... I'm inclined to agree.

    •  I live on an old family farm (11+ / 0-)

      My grandfather was a child of the depression and never threw anything out. Old wire, broken tools, etc. were hung on the barn wall. We're back to those days now.
      Monsanto is now starting to control the garden and farm seed world. Buy your seeds from SSE or companies like Fedco. Grow your own or buy from a local farmer or farmer's market!

      •  Fedco Seed websith: www.fedcoseeds.com (6+ / 0-)

      •  Don't Even Get Me Started On Monsanto (7+ / 0-)

        the rant will go on for a real long time. I have joked  (but it isn't funny) that if the court cases go the way they're going you are going to see farmers in my area marching with pitchforks in hand on Monsanto's headquarters.

        Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

        by webranding on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:00:53 AM PDT

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        •  Corporatism is dead (7+ / 0-)

          Peak oil stretches the distance between two points. Global labor arbitrage is coming apart. You'll know the person who grows your food. There is no room for sociopathic virtual middlemen in this. We'll have to rip them up by the roots, but when the ripping starts we'll find out just how shallowly attached they are in the face of voter wrath.



          •  I Do Know The People That Grow (5+ / 0-)

            some of my food. Not that long ago I ran into what I'd call an ethical dilemma. I love meat. I mean love meat. But I saw a story that PETA had given KFC some recommendations on how to treat animals in a more humane manner. The cost was one cent per chicken. They rejected the proposed changes.

            So not wanting to give up meat I started to ask some questions. I quickly found I could get most of it locally. The price is a little higher. More effort. But I feel a lot better about it.

            Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

            by webranding on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:14:08 AM PDT

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            •  PETA - the new white meat (7+ / 0-)

              I must say at this point that I'm growing to despite PETA. They can't get at the horrible corporate farms so they run around causing trouble for the little guys.

              The male goats on this farm are destined for slaughter. They can go at fifteen to twenty pounds into various local markets ... but PETA ensures they have to be kept and fed until thirty five pounds. Reasoning? They're too cute to kill when they're little.

              This sort of fuzzy headed activism will be coming undone very shortly; we can't afford to have uninvolved parties getting under foot like this.

              •  I Almost Put A Disclamier (4+ / 0-)

                saying I am no fan of PETA. They're a little over-the-top for me. I've recused more then a few animals. I do care. But from time to time I can enjoy a pork chop, omelette, or even (cringe) some venison that I shot with a bow.

                Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

                by webranding on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:21:20 AM PDT

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                •  We're omnivores (9+ / 0-)

                  And our teeth prove it. Those who're trying to enforce their beliefs on others are just like the marriage protection crowd - in need of a rap on the nose with a rolled up magazine as part of an effort to get them to mind their own business.

                   The best ones are those who carry on about putting their cats on vegetarian diets - talk about cruelty to animals!

                  •  Yeah I Am A Cat Guy (4+ / 0-)

                    and it stuns me people tell me I ought to serve them a non-meat diet. I've read more than I care to admit on the topic and the estimates I see is doing this can cut 2-3 years off of their lives.

                    Now Hell's Kitchen is a terrible show, but Gordon Ramsay's BBC show is amazing. In one show he buys a number of pigs. Has his children raise them. Then allows them to witness how they get to our table.

                    I am sure some would scream "child abuse" but I think it is a pretty insightful concept.

                    Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

                    by webranding on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:45:36 AM PDT

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                  •  Vegetarians (2+ / 0-)

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                    First off, the modern American diet contains way more meat than humans have historically eaten, outside of the arctic.  The book, "The Third Chimpanzee", referenced an average of about 80-20 in terms of calories from plants versus meat.  So, what we're doing is just as "unnatural".  Many cultures throughout history -- including almost a billion people in India today -- are vegetarian.  Humans are perfectly capable of living on a vegetarian diet, just like they're capable of living on the American "way too much meat" diet.

                    It's not just about animal rights.  The environmental and energy impact from growing meat is really mind boggling.  If you take anything from this, at least read the first page of that NYT article for the comparisons of how much energy goes into a pound of meat.  Example:

                    To put the energy-using demand of meat production into easy-to-understand terms, Gidon Eshel, a geophysicist at the Bard Center, and Pamela A. Martin, an assistant professor of geophysics at the University of Chicago, calculated that if Americans were to reduce meat consumption by just 20 percent it would be as if we all switched from a standard sedan - a Camry, say - to the ultra-efficient Prius. Similarly, a study last year by the National Institute of Livestock and Grassland Science in Japan estimated that 2.2 pounds of beef is responsible for the equivalent amount of carbon dioxide emitted by the average European car every 155 miles, and burns enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20 days.

                    Lastly:

                    The best ones are those who carry on about putting their cats on vegetarian diets - talk about cruelty to animals!

                    Want to talk about cruelty to animals?  Vegetarian diets for cats include supplements to make up for the nutrients that the cats can't get naturally (if they don't have those nutrients, then yes, it is cruelty).  Well, guess what?  Cats will suffer in the exact same way on a diet of cooked meat, which is also not part of their natural diet.  Cooking meat denatures some of the nutrients that cats need to survive.  Cat food companies take meat scraps, cook them (this losing the nutrients), then add them back in, in the same way that vegetarian cat foods do.  All that changes is the base -- whether the protein comes from things like yeast or whether it comes from things like cow innards (again, not part of a cat's natural diet, which is mostly the whole bodies of rodents and birds).  Yes, I'd call commercial cat food closer to their natural diet, but it is anything but natural.

  •  my skills? (7+ / 0-)

    problem solving
    teaching relaxation and stress management
    pre-school and early elementary teaching
    cooking and baking.
    a bit of gardening.
    sewing, knitting.  

    wow, i am kind of kewl.  

    thanks, SW.  i love this series!  

  •  I've Been Begging The Guy That Owns (6+ / 0-)

    the 500 acre field in front of my house to sell part of his land to me. My little rural town has just rezoned the area as residential and I'd prefer something is grown on it. It would be a learning curve for me to say the least but there is no shortage of folks around me that could help.

    Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

    by webranding on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:58:29 AM PDT

  •  well said, SW... (4+ / 0-)

    well said indeed.

  •  Sigh ... (6+ / 0-)

    and, to a certain extent, I hold the hope of eco-capitalism, of technical optimism that we might (will) create a path closer to modern society than the one that you outline.  ... Sigh ...

    •  This is a path for some (2+ / 0-)

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       There will be many movements as people free themselves from the crumbling corporatocracy. This is one that has drawn my eye, at least for the moment. I suspect I'm going to be reporting on a rather different sort of activity in the next day or two as various bits of paper go out, get signed, and returned - an instance of a model perhaps a bit closer to your liking will, of course, be going on display just as soon as speaking of it is not unseemly.

    •  I'm with you... (6+ / 0-)

      But I can see how, under certain circumstances, the worst case scenarios can come to fruition.

      If we were to examine every aspect of our lives, what we do, how we do it, what assumptions all decisions are based on, and then question every assumption, we have a chance, I hope, to avert disaster.

    •  I must add... (5+ / 0-)

      that "preparations" for subsistence farming, adopting some practices, growing some of your own, sharing/trading with neighbors, all lowers the carbon footprint of your food.  So synergies in long term goals abound.

      •  Fighting with better 90+% (5+ / 0-)

        for more of the garden space to be food related. Using heirloom seeds, etc ...

        I collect wood from chopped down trees around the neighborhood for heating next winter in high-efficiency fireplace.

        Home energy efficiency, etc ...

        But, still very (VERY) in the modern information society ... not wanting to contemplate what happens if electricity goes out ...

        •  re: not wanting the electricity to go out... (5+ / 0-)

          me neither!

          You once asked if i would write a diary on various changes to home infrastructure to facilitate home grown wind such as LED lighting, low-voltage lighting wiring standard, co-gen DC interconnect sub-panel, rectifier standard for low-voltage LED lighting system, etc...

          still have no time to do that...

          But I have been grinding through design iterations (a la Hawking, in my head, but while driving) for the innovations in vertical axis wind turbines that i really think will be huge.  Low speed, high torque... or high speed/high torque, scalable from homeowner to commercial farm to floating hydrogen-via-seawater-hydrolysis tanker farms....

          but the potential compatibility with that residential DC wiring standard AND current zoning intrigued me...

          just like the household heating oil industry is dominated by small businesses will transition to the household heating industry (solar thermal integration), the household electricity industry (yet to rise, but will sooner rather than later if I have any influence in it) will be the refuge for the electricians looking for work post greenspan-induced-housing-bubble.

          No, I don't want the electricity to go out.  If we can get society's proverbial head out of its ass and start telling people who claim "but, my view!" to go fuck themselves (for the greater good, of course) we can start making some real wind industry progress here.

        •  you've always got a place with us (3+ / 0-)

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          if we can't generate current here, there's no hope.

          and why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings....

          by farmerchuck on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:08:40 PM PDT

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        •  need to utilize invasive species for energy (4+ / 0-)

          I cut down loads and loads of buckthorn, boxelder, black locust, mulberry and other invasive trees and shrubs to restore natural areas. Unfortunately, I lack the means/transportation to convert these to useful wood for energy and usually they are left on site to rot or the customer uses them for bonfire wood (I have rich clients). We should look into developing a market for the wood, or have it pelletized for pellet stoves as there are thousands of acres here in the Great Lakes/Chicago region infested with these pest woody plants, the need to clear them to regenerate the native vegetation, and an extreme cost involved to do this. Having a market for the wood would greatly defray this expense. I could see attaching a freight car to the metra trains to haul buckthorn wood into the city from the suburbs to use as biomass fuel.

          Seeing the crisis upon us, we need to think of unorthodox solutions such as these to cope with food, energy and other basic needs.

          "Without our playstations, we are a third world nation"-Ani DiFranco

          by NoMoreLies on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:42:03 PM PDT

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        •  Joining you in the wood-acquistion process. (3+ / 0-)

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          And doing so on foot and bus. Except for the past winter's three coldest months,
          my bimonthly electric bill was below $40, and everything here's electric.

          Tree wood gets cut to fit the woodstove with a 24-inch Sandvik bow saw,
          small stuff with bypass pruner because it's needed, and excellent, for kindling. Friendly orange light!

          The job front's the unknown precipice.

  •  I Have Only One Useful Skill (4+ / 0-)

    I'm hopeless with gardens and tools. I'm no good with kids. I'm even squeamish about my cats' litterbox.

    My one skill is that I can do simple bookkeeping with a sharp pencil, a ruler, and a solar calculator.

    I suppose I can shovel anything if I have to. I can hammer a nail straight. I know righty-tighty lefty-loosy. I can peel vegetables.

    I may or may not make the cut.

    BTW, where are we going to get our insulin and thyroxin and asthma inhalers in this depression we're facing? Just wondering.

  •  Misc (0+ / 0-)

    By way of introduction these guys run an 891 acre farm near Decorah, Iowa and they maintain thousands of heirloom seed varieties; if you just buy seed at Walmart you?re getting a sterile, corporate owned hybrid. Just search for and insist on using heirloom seeds ? these will continue to produce for you long after the local big box store closes its doors.

    Even better than just heirloom varieties are varieties known to reseed themselves, or perreneals.  Every year, my garden is spotted with the fluorescent-green seedlings of my lettuce, predictably rising from the ground.  All across the garden are fennel seedlings, rising up.  If I'm lucky, we'll get volunteer tomatoes or other plants, although they usually take long enough to get going that what I start indoors usually beats them.  Perreneals, I love my asparagus.  Talk about a low maintenance plant; you don't have to do a darn thing except harvest it.  Onions, mint, all sorts of other things.  And who can forget fruit trees?  Talk about a low-maintenance bounty.  I just put in an apple last weekend, right next to my cherry and peach.  Gotta love this Iowa soil.  :)

    What if gas prices stop being $3.60 and start being $6.30?

    You mean, notably cheaper than in some parts of Europe?  I want gas to be $6.30/gal.  What a better way to encourage alternative methods of transportation than that?  Sure, it should be offset by reduced payroll taxes, but since the Dems will likely have both congress and the presidency...

    Do you know someone who has a skill that will remain usable in a post peak oil world?

    It would be nice if you would actually address some of the criticisms of the concept of peak oil.  Like, you know, the fact that we can outright make oil via Fischer-Tropsh or Sabatier synthesis from any source of carbon and any source of hydrogen.  That WWII Germany and Apartheid South Africa produced huge amounts of fuel from syngas; their syngas was made from coal, but syngas can be made from almost anything biological or formerly biological.  That even if our coal consumption were to double, we'd still have well over a hundred years available at current prices.  Not counting, for example, the deposit of undersea coal found recently that was three times larger than the world's entire known reserves, which could be turned into syngas with air injection.  And that "current prices" of coal, which reserve figures are based on are quite literally dirt cheap -- a dozen to a couple dozen dollars per tonne.  And, as prices grow, reserves grow -- not linearly, but exponentially.  The huge amounts of conventional oil in everywhere from the Bakken to Greenland to the Falklands to offshore Aech and on and on.  The fact that in the past decade we've averaged finding over one supergiant per year, let alone all of the field expansions (which make up most reserve growth), so that world proven reserves have continued to grow as we've been using fuel.  Ultra-heavy crude.  Bitumen.  Shale.  Clathrates/hydrates.  And on, and on, and on -- everything referenced in the page.

    Will you address any of it?

    •  it has been addressed (0+ / 0-)

      You site theoretical solutions - things that get done under duress or wartime. They produce as much if not more CO2 and they probably don't scale to the United States' level of usage. So, yes, I'm aware of all these things, but I'm not putting any time into them because, speaking as an engineer and financier on a small scale I don't believe them to be functional.

       Rail electrification will work, ammonia as a fuel for farm use will work, and the rest of it ... we'll see liquid fuel for farm, police, fire, ambulance, and the rest? Rationing along the lines of world war II ...

      •  You're absolutely right (1+ / 0-)

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        They are dirty.  The fuel is "expensive", although "expensive" in the context of coal liquefaction is $20-40/barrel ($10-$30 for bitumen, $20-40 for shale), compared to <$5 for a good Saudi field.  And they produce a lot of CO2.

        And they work.  They absolutely, positively, fundamentally work, and can be scaled up to huge volume on the order of five years or so, as Nazi Germany did on 1940s technology.  They're not great choices, but fundamentally, they work.  Which essentially turns the concept of peak oil into a choice -- whether we choose to destroy our entire society to reduce CO2 emissions.  And I can assure you, people as a whole will not choose that.

        If we want to reduce CO2 emissions, "peak oil" is not going to force our hand.  In the words of Obama, "we are the ones we have been waiting for".  Action has to come down to us, and therein, your and my motives rejoin.  However, many of yours seem borne of desparation, damming rivers and burning dirty wood, horribly inefficient ammonia propulsion, and so on because of a false sense of immediacy, while I promote large-scale wind, geothermal, solar, and transportation electrification of all kinds.  "My future" isn't one of dead rivers and particulate matter levels that make Beijing look pleasant, like yours is.

  •  My kids are giving me crap (3+ / 0-)

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    For inviting some stranger from the internet with a chainsaw to come to our house. Heh. I guess I taught them well, though apparently not the best at setting a good example....

    Beware the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.

    by mataliandy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:23:29 PM PDT

  •  'peak everything' stress syndrome (2+ / 0-)

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    Sounds like you are coming 'round full circle with the "peak everything stress syndrome", SW!  You still haven't called me for that talk we've emailed about.

    I'm doing better with my "blues" these days. I'm looking at this massive change taking place in the culture of hu-man in terms of evolutionary systems theory.  

    We are in the midst of the chaos phase of a global systemic transformation process.  It's been taking place at a physical and chemical level for some time.  We are now being confronted with the mental and emotional level of the system's collapse.  We are forced to re-evaluate our basic understanding of the economy of life and our place in it.

    There will be, for some time, fluctuations of thought...different concepts about what is going on and how to prepare for it, how to best deal with it.  Eventually these many minor fluctuations will become several strong conceptual frameworks charged with the passion of emotionally based beliefs.  Then will come the struggle between these systems of belief about which will form the most viable structure for our new cultural economy (life ecosystem).

    The change is so enormous and so many variables are involved (climate change, cultural collapse-loss of social structure and order, mass population migration, scarcity of resources, etc, that it is nigh impossible to predict a future scenario with any accuracy.  Really hard to know which preparations will serve us in the future that emerges from the forces of chaos.

    But good to have skills and a group of others who will cooperate with you in a survival effort.  Then, if it isn't immediate, as "Rei" has suggested, at least we will have revived some of the skills (farming, tending, mending, cooking, preserving, cloth making, sewing, knitting) that we can pass on to a future generation who may need them for their survival some day.

    Consider it just a good way to achieve some sense of peace and happiness with a hobby that brings a person closer to nature--to the eco-system from which they have sprung as a species and upon which they depend for flourishing in this world.

    Finding your own Voice -- The personal is political!

    by In her own Voice on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:34:45 AM PDT

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