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My Horrifying revelation: Hillary = George W.

Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:02:13 AM PDT

This is not a fun diary to write, not because I'm such a huge Hillary supporter-I'm not.  I've been the Obama for President band wagon since I met him at a Senate fund raiser in 03.  However,  there was a time when I sorta liked, Hillary,  not personally but I did have respect for her intellect, her skill  as a politician, a person, and, more importantly,  her effectiveness a standard bearer of the party..

Now?  Not so much.  I've had an ugly though slowly forming in the back of my mind for about a week now that was crystallized by today's news that Hillary has loaned her campaign 6.4 million in the last few weeks

Friends, it pains me to say this, but Hillary Clinton, once the hope of our party, has become the Democratic version of George W. Bush.

Harsh words, I know. but hear me out:

Now let me first be clear about what I mean  by that:

I don't mean she's as dumb as W; since she appears to be able to speak in complete sentences I think she's already demonstrated her mental superiority to our current  president.  

And to be fair, She's certainly not as evil either.  So far as I know, She has neverpersonally ordered a mentally ill detainee to be tortured; solely so she wouldn't have to retract a public statement..   Therefore whatever her faults and whatever tactics she's employed on the campaign trail ; she is demonstrably morally superior to Mr. Bush.

SO what DO I mean?  I mean that in the most crucial  area of all, her ability to lead and govern wisely,  Hillary has recently  given  every indication that  she shares all the worst qualities of George W's disastrous leadership style.

She has his same  dangerous tendency to take complex policy questions and apply a process of Reducto ad Stultum  to them.  No matter how complex the issue, she likes to condense them into a few emotional hot button bullet points and a personal anecdote or two.  In the process, like the president, she wipes away gray areas and nuance  and lowers the tone of all political debate in this country to the level of bad Saturday morning superhero cartoons.

And most dangerously she has the same stubborn tunnel vision that W. has used to such devastating effect for the last 8 years.  When she has made up her mind;  she can happily ignore the contrary advice of experts, commentators , academics, fellow politicians etc and steam forward on her own.   She  has, in spades , W's  idiotic determination to lead, even if it means marching straight off a cliff, while people all around her are screaming at her to stop.

Think I'm overstating the case?  Being a bit too harsh perhaps?  Well fair enough.  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.  So, ladies and gentlemen of the Jury, permit me to offer People's Exhibit A:  The moment that set this train of thought in motion:

It started, for me, with the Clinton Campaign conference call on May 1, 2008 (jump to about 36:30)   during the call, when a reporter noted that a broad spectrum of ideologically diverse economists had condemned her gas tax rebate plan.  Therefore, he asked the campaign, could  they could point him to an economist that SUPPORTED her on the Plan?

and Her campaign's answer put a cold chill down my spine and gave me wicked déjà vu

In essence they said (I’m trying to transcribe from audio) :

"being president requires leadership and there are times when the president takes a position that will be supported by a consensus of quote-unquote experts and times when these quote un-quote experts will oppose what they are doing  . Mrs. Clinton believes this is the right policy...and the job of a leader is to lead"

(in other words NO, they really couldn't site an economist that supported their position)

when I heard that, all the hairs on the back of my head stood straight up; so  I tried to figure out why that answer disturbed so much.  Then it hit me:  Try substituting the words "Iraq" for "gas Tax" and "weapons inspectors" for "economists".  Suddenly have the decision-making process that led us to war.  An ideologically broad spectrum of intelligence analysts opposed W's contentions that Iraq was dangerous and needed to be invaded; but W believed was the right thing to do, and since "the job of a leader is to lead" ; Bush led.   Now, the fact that he led us straight into an unmitigated disaster?   Well,  that lesson seems lost on Team Clinton.

And I might have been able to let that go as the spouting of an over-eager campaign manager, if Hillary hadn't removed all doubt just a day or so later.  When she echoed some  Bush's most infamous war rhetoric

"Do they stand with the hard pressed Americans who are trying to pay their gas bills at the gas station, or do they once again stand with the oil companies?" she asked. Saying she’ll put the question to them soon in the form of legislation, Clinton said "I want them to tell us, are they with us or against us when it comes to taking on the oil companies?"

"With us or against us"? Really?  Those are the only two choices on an  question of economic policy?   And, if those ARE the only choices, does "2000 Senate candidate Hillary Clintonwho called a $0.043 repeal  (as opposed to the $0.18 one she's now proposing) :

'a bad deal. and a potential bonanza for the oil companies '

Do we chalk up 2000 Hillary as "with us" or Against Us"

And it's important to get those label right because the evil beauty of the "with us or against us, rhetorical device is that it utterly eliminates any possible middle ground.   It and makes criticism or reasoned debate impossible.  After all,  if you don't support her idea, you are "against us";  and why should we listen to anyone like that?

(And who precisely IS "Us" anyway?   If, like me, you think her gas tax rebate is a stupid idea, am I still an "Us"  even though I'm "against Us" thus making me a self-loathing "Us"?. Or perhaps simply by being against I’m automatically a "them" rather than an "us"...it's all so terribly confusing.)

"okay" , I can hear you saying "her rhetoric MAY just a bit W-like these days;  but that's a campaign for you; it doesn't mean she'll govern that way does it?"

Fortunately I saved my Pizza De Resistance for last. Consider this:

As of Tuesday, nearly every political expert is unanimous in the opinion that there is no plausible scenario for a Clinton victory.  It's not merely unlikely, but nearly physically and mathematically impossible.  There is absolutely no reasonable end game in sight that leaves her on top.  Yet Clinton has made it clear she’s still running.  She continues to drain her coffers and pour money, time and people  into a conflict she can't possibly win  causing serious collateral damage to the very people she claims to be fighting for.

Tell me THAT doesn't sound familiar.

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  •  Also consider her history (8+ / 0-)

    the diary was too long as it was to go digging up things that happened 10 and 15 years ago.  
    But I do think its relevant to point out that Hillary is probably most famous for her attempt to create universal healthcar and S-CHIP

    It's worth noting that the first failed and the second nearly did.  In both cases the blame for that trouble can be laid squarely on Hillary's intransigence and unwillingness to listen to party elders about what was possible at the time.

    Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

    by Magorn on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:08:09 AM PDT

    •  Love "Pizza De Resistance" (3+ / 0-)

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      Is that the kind where the mozzarella is really chewy and just doesn't want to give?

      "I've waited all my life for a Republican Barack Obama. Now he shows up and he's a Democrat." - Frank Luntz

      by The Termite on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:10:13 AM PDT

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    •  Clinton was not (1+ / 0-)

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      responsible for S-CHIP.  The legislation was written without her.  She campaigned for it a bit, but most of the heavy lifting was nearly done by the time she arrived on the scene.  In short, the S-CHIP myth is a lot like the Tuzla story, as is the case with many of her "accomplishments".

      •  But she DID almost kill it (1+ / 0-)

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        though she was late to the game, the news stories I've heard say that Ickes and others co-ordinated with her on it, and it was her admant refusal to lower the funding number for the bill that lead it to put the balanaced budget agreement in jeopardy, and ultimately led Bill to put a full court squeeze AGAINST it to save the budget agreement

        Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

        by Magorn on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:29:50 AM PDT

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    •  Turn back! (1+ / 0-)

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      This windy mess is chock full of inane Hillary bashing.
      If you go on reading, you'll never get these minutes back.
      As soon as I see Hillary=George W, I know there is no good sense to be found here.

      Vote Democratic in November!

      I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

      by labradog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:51:57 AM PDT

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  •  In the end... (4+ / 0-)

    ...I have had to separate Hillary The Campaigning Politician from Hillary The Legislator to make heads or tails of the person.

    As a campaigning politician, she has proven herself to be shamelessly Rovian, with the one exception that Karl Rove always has the interests of his party in mind, and she subsumes everything to her own self-interest.  In other words, as a campaigning pol, she's sub-Rovian.  And that, to many people, is reason enough why she should FOAD.

    On the other hand (and I almost can't believe I'm saying this) I have seen a side of this person that makes me want her on the Hill even more, and a side that I can imagine leading us to bury Republicans on issues of critical importance.  Fuck me for saying so but I WANT her in the health care fight; not shaping the plan per se but digging in her heels and getting it done.  I want her bashing away on global warming.

    I'll be back in a minute, must go hurl.

    "I've waited all my life for a Republican Barack Obama. Now he shows up and he's a Democrat." - Frank Luntz

    by The Termite on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:08:50 AM PDT

    •  that's about right (1+ / 0-)

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      She Has shown herself to be a pretty good no hold barred street fighter, and so long as she gets back to fighting on OUR side rather than simply for herself,  that's a pretty useful person to have around,  if only as a threat...

      Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

      by Magorn on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:10:57 AM PDT

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    •  But if she is on the Hill fighting (4+ / 0-)

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      which side will she be fighting against?  She has been so bizarrely Rovian in this campaign and has tried to bully Congress on the gas tax.  How can we trust her to fight the "good fight" and not go off in some other direction she has decided will benefit her more?

      "We should be able to deliver hot bottled water to dehydrated babies." John McCain

      by llamaRCA on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:12:06 AM PDT

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      •  Aye and there's the Rub (3+ / 0-)

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        When people say she has burned through all the goodwil that both she and her husband built up in the party; this what they mean.

        Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

        by Magorn on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:16:34 AM PDT

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        •  I'm wondering if she'll even (2+ / 0-)

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          want to continue to be a Senator after this.  Didn't she seek office only as a platform to launch a WH bid?  We'll she be content with less?

          And, if she does want to remain in the Senate, as she burned through her goodwill can she count on being re-elected?

          Poor HRC.  I do have sympathy for her.  She is really overplaying her hand.

          "We should be able to deliver hot bottled water to dehydrated babies." John McCain

          by llamaRCA on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:26:16 AM PDT

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    •  What, pray tell, has (3+ / 0-)

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      Clinton accomplished as a legislator beyond voting for library names and supporting flag burning amendments.  Her senatorial record is no different than how she's campaigned:  strategically pandering and supporting issues that are filtered through rightwing frames.

      •  Okay. Good point. (2+ / 0-)

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        She got gradually better but it didn't start well.

        From Wiki, 'cause I'm busy:

        Clinton has served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002),[198] Committee on Armed Services (since 2003),[199] Committee on Environment and Public Works (since 2001),[198] Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (since 2001)[198] and Special Committee on Aging.[200] She is also a Commissioner of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe[201] (since 2001).[202]

        Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Clinton sought to obtain funding for the recovery efforts in New York City and security improvements in her state. Working with New York's senior senator, Charles Schumer, she was instrumental in quickly securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site's redevelopment.[203][204] She subsequently took a leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.[205] Clinton voted for the USA Patriot Act in October 2001. In 2005, when the act was up for renewal, she worked to address some of the civil liberties concerns with it,[206] before voting in favor of a compromise renewed act in March 2006 that gained large majority support.[207]

        Clinton strongly supported the 2001 U.S. military action in Afghanistan, saying it was a chance to combat terrorism while improving the lives of Afghan women who suffered under the Taliban government.[208] Clinton voted in favor of the October 2002 Iraq War Resolution, which authorized United States President George W. Bush to use military force against Iraq, should such action be required to enforce a United Nations Security Council Resolution after pursuing with diplomatic efforts. (However, Clinton voted against the Levin Amendment to the Resolution, which would have required the President to conduct vigorous diplomacy at the U.N., and would have also required a separate Congressional authorization to unilaterally invade Iraq.[199] She did vote for the Byrd Amendment to the Resolution, which would have limited the Congressional authorization to one year increments, but the only mechanism necessary for the President to renew his mandate without any Congressional oversight was to claim that the Iraq War was vital to national security each year the authorization required renewal.)[199]

        After the Iraq War began, Clinton made trips to both Iraq and Afghanistan to visit American troops stationed there. On a visit to Iraq in February 2005, Clinton noted that the insurgency had failed to disrupt the democratic elections held earlier, and that parts of the country were functioning well.[209] Noting that war deployments were draining regular and reserve forces, she co-introduced legislation to increase the size of the regular United States Army by 80,000 soldiers to ease the strain.[210] In late 2005, Clinton said that while immediate withdrawal from Iraq would be a mistake, Bush's pledge to stay "until the job is done" was also misguided, as it gave Iraqis "an open-ended invitation not to take care of themselves." She criticized the administration for making poor decisions in the war, but said it was more important to solve the problems in Iraq.[211] Her stance caused frustration among those in the Democratic party who favored immediate withdrawal.[212] Clinton supported retaining and improving health benefits for veterans, and lobbied against the closure of several military bases.[213]

        Senator Clinton voted against President Bush's two major tax cut packages, the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003.[214] Clinton voted against both the 2005 confirmation of John G. Roberts as Chief Justice of the United States[215] and the 2006 confirmation of Samuel Alito to the United States Supreme Court.[216]

        In 2005, Clinton called for the Federal Trade Commission to investigate how hidden sex scenes showed up in the controversial video game Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.[217] Along with Senators Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh, she introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games. In July 2004 and June 2006, Clinton voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment that sought to prohibit same-sex marriage.[214][218]

        Looking to establish a "progressive infrastructure" to rival that of American conservatism,[219] Clinton played a formative role in conversations that led to the 2003 founding of former Clinton administration chief of staff John Podesta's Center for American Progress;[220] shared aides with Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, founded in 2003;[221] advised and nurtured the Clintons' former antagonist David Brock's Media Matters for America, created in 2004;[221] and following the 2004 Senate elections, successfully pushed new Democratic Senate leader Harry Reid to create a Senate war room to handle daily political messaging.[221]

        In November 2004, Clinton announced that she would seek a second term in the United States Senate. The early frontrunner for the Republican nomination, Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro, withdrew from the contest after several months of poor campaign performance.[222] Clinton easily won the Democratic nomination over opposition from anti-war activist Jonathan Tasini.[223] Clinton's eventual opponents in the general election were Republican candidate John Spencer, a former mayor of Yonkers, along with several third-party candidates. Throughout the campaign, Clinton consistently led Spencer in the polls by wide margins. She won the election on November 7, 2006 with 67 percent of the vote to Spencer's 31 percent,[224] carrying all but four of New York's sixty-two counties.[225] Clinton spent $36 million towards her reelection, more than any other candidate for Senate in the 2006 elections. She was criticized by some Democrats for spending too much in a one-sided contest, while some supporters were concerned she did not leave more funds for a potential presidential bid in 2008.[226] In the following months she transferred $10 million of her Senate funds towards her now-official presidential campaign.[227]

        Clinton opposed the Iraq War troop surge of 2007 and supported a February 2007 non-binding Senate resolution against it, which failed to gain cloture.[228] In March 2007 she voted in favor of a war spending bill that required President Bush to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq within a certain deadline; it passed almost completely along party lines[229] but was subsequently vetoed by President Bush. In May 2007 a compromise war funding bill that removed withdrawal deadlines but tied funding to progress benchmarks for the Iraqi government passed the Senate by a vote of 80-14 and would be signed by Bush; Clinton was one of those who voted against it.[230] Clinton responded to General David Petraeus's September 2007 Report to Congress on the Situation in Iraq by saying, "I think that the reports that you provide to us really require a willing suspension of disbelief."[231] In September 2007 she voted in favor of a Senate resolution calling on the State Department to label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps "a foreign terrorist organization", which passed 76-22.[232]

        In March 2007, in response to the dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy, Clinton called on Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign.[233] In May and June 2007, regarding the high-profile, hotly debated comprehensive immigration reform bill known as the Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007, Clinton cast a number of votes in support of the bill, which eventually failed to gain cloture.[234]

        "I've waited all my life for a Republican Barack Obama. Now he shows up and he's a Democrat." - Frank Luntz

        by The Termite on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:46:19 AM PDT

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  •  I guess this (2+ / 0-)

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    Mrs. Clinton believes this is the right policy...and the job of a leader is to lead"

    makes her the "Leaderer."

    "We should be able to deliver hot bottled water to dehydrated babies." John McCain

    by llamaRCA on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:09:23 AM PDT

  •  Its high class pandering plus stubborness (6+ / 0-)

    a do anything to win, my way or the highway mentality.

    and yes you make a valid point

  •  Nixon (6+ / 0-)

    I'd say she is more Nixon.

    No one questioned his intellect, but he still sucked as a president.

  •  Welcome to 2007 (5+ / 0-)

    Ever since she started running, she's seemed to use George Bush's model:

    1. Loyalty more important than results or ability.
    1. Say what helps you at the moment, whether or not it's the truth doesn't matter.
    1. Look right at the American people and tell them something that is obvious bullshit and do it without blinking, and then keep repeating it.

    There's more, but those three sum it up for me.  Especially #3.  I'm really sick of being treating like a lemming by politicians.

    •  as to point 2&# (2+ / 0-)

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      the Linked audio if the conference call has just such a ridiculous moment around minute 21.  This was the CC just after the infamous Bill O'reilly  appearance, and one reporter asked them about the "god bless Rich people"  quote

      They repeatedly insisted that What she really said was "God has BlessED rich people"  and by that , she meant that since they are so chock full o’divine blessings they should pay more taxes.  Even though that’s almost exactly NOT what she said.  It was a wonderful "who are you going to believe? Me ? or your own lyin’ eyes?"  moment

      Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

      by Magorn on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:23:14 AM PDT

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  •  Piece of crap diary, but one I'm sure will (4+ / 0-)

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    make the recommend list, because it has the basic requirements: Hilary is an evil bitch, that will eat your children............

    Don't sell out John! Damn, too late, lost another to the dark side!

    by ichibon on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:17:02 AM PDT

  •  This diary should be deleted. Shame! (3+ / 0-)

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    How did I live without him?

    by Pumpkinlove on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:25:37 AM PDT

  •  About economists, experts and Hillary Clinton (3+ / 0-)

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    I say this as someone who will have completed my PhD in economics in the next couple of months and as someone who currently teaches economics.

    Hillary on is absolutely correct that we do not want to let economists make decisions for us. Economic analysis is almost always necessary but almost never sufficient to make good public policy decisions. Economists are generally more concerned with efficiency than with fairness. This is why economists overwhelmingly favored free trade during the 1990's. This is why there are so many economists who argue in favor of cost benefit analysis to block environmental and health and safety regulations. According to the worldview of many economists, the dollar value of  saving a human life can be calculated from the wage premium people receive for risky work and unless the monetized benefits of a policy exceed the costs the policy should not be implemented.

    You are right to say that Hillary Clinton is different from George Bush morally, but in my opinion she is also different when it comes to listening to experts. If you have ever listened to Hillary CLinton discuss policy, it is appearant that she has considered the policy from many different angles and has listened to many different people with different points of view. This is in stark contrast to Bush Jr.

    Finally, the letter from the economists argues against a gas tax in part because of the loss of revenue for the highway trust fund and because it is not a long term solution. But unlike McCain's gas tax proposal Hillary's proposal restores fuds to the highway trust fud with a tax on oil compay profits so that argument does not apply to her proposal. Also she never claimed the gas tax was the long term solution or even that it is the only solution in the short term. She has advocated using the strategic oil reserve for additional short term releif and for changing the rules that have allowed speculators to manipulate the market (some of the same things Obama has talked about). She also favors a tax credit for people who purchase hybrid cars and increased investment in developing alternative energy sources.

    •  thoughtful response (1+ / 0-)

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      But perhaps you can clarify something for me:

      If understand the proposal correctly, it involves repealing the 18 cents of federal taxes on gasoline and making up that difference by taxing the gasoline suppliers, the oil companies.

      Since the bill doesn't include price controls,  what is to stop the oil companies from raising prices to cover this new tax; say, exactly $0.18 per gallon?

      Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

      by Magorn on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:33:28 AM PDT

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      •  Not a thing except prices traditionally (0+ / 0-)

        rise in the summer and you add a tax holiday on top of that... people might get perturbed to see oil companies jacking up prices even further.. especially upon the large profits they are making.

        Gas is closing in on $4.00 a gallon here already.  

        BP reported an increase of profits for the 1st quarter of 63%.

        If they raise prices to cover that $0.18, I am betting that will garner support for her plan for green energy, her windfall tax plan AND her plan to break OPEC.. all of which are needed.

        How did I live without him?

        by Pumpkinlove on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:40:21 AM PDT

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        •  Well then, she can go right (1+ / 0-)

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          back to the Senate and get to work on all that.  But surely, if it's so important, and since she's been in the Senate, well, just forever, she's already well down that road.  Right?  

          Plan to break OPEC.  Now that's funny.  Especially using the WTO to do so.  What seventh grader can tell me why that's a non-starter?

      •  Good question (2+ / 0-)

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        I should qualify my answer by saying I am definitely not an expert in the oilmarkets.

        You are right that in terms of a sales tax, it does not make a difference whether or not the tax is paid by the consumer or producer. However, Hillary Clinton is proposing a profits tax on oil companies. The difference is important. Firms set price and quantity to maximize profits. The fact that the profits will be taxed does not change the optimal price or quantity. Therefore, a profits tax generally does not affect pricing decisions. However, it is true that part of the $0.18 reduction from the gas tax will be offset by an increase in quantity demanded.

        From what I have read, Hillary's gas tax proposal will offer some short-term relief for some people, especially truckers and others who drive alot. However, it is definitely not the most importat part of her energy policy in the short term or the long term and it was a political mistake for her to try to use this as an issue to differentiate herself from Obama.

        •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)

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          That really does help clarify the issue for me.

          Here's a fun little fact I heard during the congressional hearings on Gas prices:

          Every penny in additonal per gallon fuel costs for truckers translates into an additional $2 billion in costs to the consumer. That gets really scary when you realize  Diesel has doubled to $4 a gallon in the last two years.

          Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

          by Magorn on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:10:25 AM PDT

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          •  That really is scary. (1+ / 0-)

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            The combination of inflation and recession (stagflation) is probably the worst economic situation. It is truely amazing how Bush Jr has maaged to do so much harm to this coutry in about every way possible. We really can't afford another 4 years of a Republican in the Whitehouse.

  •  Magorn, "George W." is right, (0+ / 0-)

    but does the W stand for Walker, or for Wallace?

    Mother Nature bats last.

    by pigpaste on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:34:20 AM PDT

    •  Now be fair (0+ / 0-)

      My uncle had a pair of tape recorders in George Wallace's face at the moment he was shot (my HS US history teacher was managing the shoe store behind him)

      Hillary is many things but a virulent racist isn't one of them.  

      Considering how the second half of his life turned out Wallace may actually have been one the few people in this world that "needed a shootin'"

      Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

      by Magorn on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:39:10 AM PDT

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  •  Surrounded Herself With Total Incompetents (2+ / 0-)

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    Her "campaign" consisted of a bunch of dolts screaming at each other. Sounds a lot like W's management style.

  •  Although (3+ / 0-)

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    I am most definitely not in favor of 'pile on Hillary' diaries, I am tipping for this statement:

    And most dangerously she has the same stubborn tunnel vision that W. has used to such devastating effect for the last 8 years.  When she has made up her mind;  she can happily ignore the contrary advice of experts, commentators , academics, fellow politicians etc and steam forward on her own.   She  has, in spades , W's  idiotic determination to lead, even if it means marching straight off a cliff, while people all around her are screaming at her to stop.

    To pass off all economists as elitists in pursuit of her political future was a huge self-centered mistake.

  •  Valuing loyalty over expertise (2+ / 0-)

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    That pretty much sums up the similarity between the two.

    A similarity that has only become more and more obvious over the last few months.

    There is no avant garde. There are only people who are a little late. --Edgar Varese

    by thepdxbikerboy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:57:56 AM PDT

    •  yeah this blew my mind (2+ / 0-)

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      I'm reading a time article on the mistakes the Cinton campaign made

      and this paragraph leapt out at me:

      2. She didn't master the rules
      Clinton picked people for her team primarily for their loyalty to her, instead of their mastery of the game. That became abundantly clear in a strategy session last year, according to two people who were there. As aides looked over the campaign calendar, chief strategist Mark Penn confidently predicted that an early win in California would put her over the top because she would pick up all the state's 370 delegates. It sounded smart, but as every high school civics student now knows, Penn was wrong: Democrats, unlike the Republicans, apportion their delegates according to vote totals, rather than allowing any state to award them winner-take-all. Sitting nearby, veteran Democratic insider Harold M. Ickes, who had helped write those rules, was horrified - and let Penn know it. "How can it possibly be," Ickes asked, "that the much vaunted chief strategist doesn't understand proportional allocation?" And yet the strategy remained the same, with the campaign making its bet on big-state victories

      Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

      by Magorn on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:07:00 AM PDT

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