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David Sirota came and talked about his new book, 'The Uprising' at the Oakland Democracy for America meet-up on June 11, 2008.  During the Q and A, I asked David how conservative values have failed and he talked about the failure of Conservative Economic Darwinism. The full video of his 70 minute talk is now online.

Failed Conservative Values: David Sirota on Economic Darwinism (3 min)
http://www.youtube.com/...


See the full 70 minute presentation here. It includes the slideshow he's been giving around the country to promote his book:

http://progressivespirit.com/...

Social Darwinism From Wikipedia
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Social Darwinism is a theory that competition among all individuals, groups, nations or ideas drives social evolution in human societies.  The term draws upon Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection, where competition between individual organisms drives biological evolutionary change (speciation) through the survival of the fittest.

The term was popularized in 1944 by the American historian Richard Hofstadter, and has generally been used by critics rather than advocates of what the term is supposed to represent.

While the term has been applied to the claim that Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection can be used to understand the social endurance of a nation or country, social Darwinism commonly refers to ideas that predate Darwin's publication of On the Origin of Species. Others whose ideas are given the label include the 18th century clergyman Thomas Malthus, and Darwin's cousin Francis Galton who founded eugenics towards the end of the 19th century.

Failed Conservative Values
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I ask for your assistance to systematically build the arguments and tell the stories that reveal how Conservative Values have Failed. Join in our effort to create a documentary and book on the subject by contributing  articles, posts, chapters for the book and video clips. Check our website for more information and a growing outline of tasks that need to be done on this project.  

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and Study Group
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Originally posted to WhatAre Progressive Values on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:05 PM PDT.

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  •  Free market Theology (2+ / 0-)
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    Doughnutman, SciVo

    Conservative Economic theology, and thats what it is, believes is free markets, even though any theoritical market cant legislate for greed.

    •  market fundamentalism (2+ / 0-)
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      doinaheckuvanutjob, SciVo

      seems to believe that markets created humans for their own purposes, rather than the other way around. In fact humans created various kinds of markets as the most efficient ways to distribute goods and services. The various kinds of markets have their own advantages and disadvantages, but none work perfectly. Perfect markets would require an infinite number of buyers and an infinite number of sellers, all with perfect information. Can't happen in this universe.

  •  is Economic Darwinism a value or principle (2+ / 0-)
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    Doughnutman, SciVo

    I'd say a value is something like love, hate, fear, hope, caring, indifference, equality, injustice, justice, etc.

    I'd say Economic Darwinism is  a principle.  what do you think?

    here's a video clip I did asking people to define the words 'Values' and 'Principles'

    Definition of the word 'Values' and 'Principles'
    http://www.youtube.com/...

    Edwin Rutsch What Are Progressive Values? Documentary Project http://ProgressiveSpirit.com and Study Group http://www.dfalink.com/group.php?id=2285

    by WhatAre Progressive Values on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:18:09 PM PDT

    •  as you can see values are more feeling based and (0+ / 0-)

      principles are more reason/intellectually based concepts.

      Edwin Rutsch What Are Progressive Values? Documentary Project http://ProgressiveSpirit.com and Study Group http://www.dfalink.com/group.php?id=2285

      by WhatAre Progressive Values on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:19:35 PM PDT

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    •  what values are behind economic-social Darwinism? (4+ / 0-)

      the values behind social Darwinism is that each person is in it for themselves. a survival of the fittest. it's a justification for the values of; selfishness, greed, indifference, self-centeredness, etc..  What other actual values come to mind?

      Edwin Rutsch What Are Progressive Values? Documentary Project http://ProgressiveSpirit.com and Study Group http://www.dfalink.com/group.php?id=2285

      by WhatAre Progressive Values on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:27:03 PM PDT

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    •  The "value" is neo-liberal philosophy (0+ / 0-)

      ...which seems to say in effect that it is right and good for us all to throw each other to the wolves, and downright immoral for us to band together in civil society and make public regulations, taxes and services for the common good.

      I also believe we must impeach Antonin Scalia for protection from his inhumanity.

      by SciVo on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:05:11 PM PDT

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  •  people party v. money party (1+ / 0-)
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    SciVo

    will hopefully be pushed front and center in this presidential election. And we can wipe the floor against the Republicans and the money party!

    What would prevent Captain America from being a hero "Death, Maybe"

    by Doughnutman on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:21:15 PM PDT

    •  If you follow Sirota's reasoning, then it will be (1+ / 0-)
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      SciVo

      a while before we can "wipe the floor against the Republicans and the money party", since they control roughly 3/4 of government.  It would require 1) purging "money party" members from the Democratic Party while 2) maintaining a majority in government.

      I don't see that happening for a while.

      Respect. Empower. Include.

      by Meng Bomin on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:41:56 PM PDT

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