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Of course, Barack Obama's stance on the FISA "compromise" bill has sparked debate and some anger.  There has been some polarization as well:  "hey, don't you want to win this November?  Lay off!" and the "blind loyalty is bad; look at what it has done to the Republicians" and to our country.

More below the fold.

Of course, Obama has put himself in a tight spot, to say the least.  Even the Republicans are taunting him as being "spineless"  and are openly saying that it is just a matter of time that he caves in on Iraq as well.

The article I linked to goes on to say that changing one's mind isn't always a bad thing; in fact one of the knocks on President Bush is that he "stays the course", even if the course leads off of a cliff.  Sometimes, one needs to admit that the current course is wrong, or that a previous decision was bad.

Example:  Remember George H. W. Bush going back on his "read my lips, no new taxes" pledge?  In fact, he had to raise taxes at that time; it was the right thing to do.

But the danger is, of course, is that one just goes around telling groups what they want to hear, regardless of their intentions.  In fact, Obama has campaigned on the "Tell people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear" theme.

So what about this blind faith versus benefit of the doubt?

Blind faith is, IMHO, just going along without thinking and pretending that doubt isn't there.  That does no one any good and can be dangerous.  Look at where that got this country recently.

On the other hand, there is "benefit of the doubt".  

Giving the benefit of the doubt can be a wise course of action in many circumstances.  Consider the following:

  1. Benefit of the doubt is temporary, and the leader's right to the BOD is based on performance.
  1. The leader often has access to information that the rest of us do not have (yes, Bush and the Republic party leaders used this one on us)
  1. The leader has been known to have good, honorable intentions (this doesn't apply to most of the Republic party leadership)
  1. The leader is a brilliant person (this certainly doesn't apply to our current President, no matter what Harriet Miers thinks :-) )
  1. The leader has had a history of displaying good judgment (true for BHO, false for GWB)
  1. The leader has produced good results in the past (BHO's campaign proved itself; GWB's administration has been a comedy of errors)

So, where I disagree with Obama on the FISA bill and where I have voiced my disagreement, I am, at this time, willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

It is beyond question that he knows far more about the details than I do, and it is reasonable to assume that he is smarter and has better judgment than I.

So, for me, he gets the benefit of the doubt, for now.  He could certainly lose that, but he hasn't as yet.

A political aside

This might turn out ok.  In this issue, BHO might be having a Sister Souljah moment ("standing up to those liberals") and we might be having one as well:  our vocal displeasure is proof that we are seeing him realistically.  We aren't a group of deluded, hypnotized followers.  We can and will disagree with him from time to time.

Originally posted to onanyes on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM PDT.

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  •  I'll be checking in from time to time. (8+ / 0-)

    I am at home, cleaning up prior to a trip to Austin, Texas.  My Texas family are were huge HRC supporters, but they are not even thinking about voting for "more of the same" McCain.

    When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

    by onanyes on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 11:13:01 AM PDT

  •  I'm with you (4+ / 0-)

    I HATE!!!! the FISA bill, but I'm not getting my knickers in a twist over the instant apocalyspe.

  •  agreed (3+ / 0-)

    he's earned from me some room to maneuver.

    "I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it." Zoe (Firefly)

    by geejay on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 11:17:03 AM PDT

  •  Blind faith or benefit of the doubt... (1+ / 0-)
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    Killer of Sacred Cows

    is leaving out complete disagreement but I'll vote for him anyway.  

    "Why don't presidents fight the war? Why do we always send the poor?"

    by o really on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 11:40:12 AM PDT

  •  The question for me is "Does he share my values?" (2+ / 0-)
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    Killer of Sacred Cows, angel d

    I believed that Obama shared my values before he announced he supports a bill with retroactive immunity.

    Since then, I don't.

    I still want Obama to beat McCain because the likelihood that a decent number of  Obama's appointees will share my values is greater than the likelihood that a decent number of McCain's appointees will share my values.

    •  Does he share my values? (2+ / 0-)
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      nanobubble, geejay

      I don't know about you, but I have a lot of different values.  No one shares all of them, not even my wife of 20 years.

      In no particular order, and not exhaustive:

      Obama is Pro-Equality on marital benefits.  Do I wish he were in favor of allowing "Marriage" for everyone.  Yes, but I can't have anything.

      Obama is in favor of using the tax code to redistribute wealth.  Do I wish he were also in favor of radical tax simplification.  Yes, but I can't have everything.

      Obama is not in favor of abolishing the death penalty.  But I'm confident that he will work to limit its racially biased application.

      The single biggest value that I share with him is that he is in favor of thoughtful, nuanced political discussion.  He is intelligent and values intelligence over sychophanty in those who surround him.

      I am excited about Obama as I have never been excited about a candidate because he shares more of my values than any other in my lifetime.

      If your values are different, then all I can say is Please Vote.  Vote for the candidate who comes closest to sharing your values.  If that is Nader, then so be it.  If it is Obama, then we're on the same team.  If it's McCain, then you're on the wrong site.  If it's Barr, then you've forgotten his years in congress or you're really on the wrong site.

      For most people on this site (and I have faith, most in the country) it will be Obama who comes closest to sharing your values.  If you wait for the candidate who agrees with you completely, then it will be a long wait.

  •  Great diary (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm tired of having Obamabots tell me to STFU because their great and glorious leader is beautiful, infallible and has a secret plan to protect the 4th Amendment.

    Your arguments on the other hand, are actually persuasive.  Which isn't to say I'm changing my mind about withholding my support from Obama, but if he does something good in the future I just might be persuaded to come back into the fold.

    This country does not have the luxury to entertain idiocy as if it is reasonable. --Digby

    by Thought Crime on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:01:40 PM PDT

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