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I've posted diaries at DailyKos, TPMCafé and OpenLeft calling for action in response to a letter scheduled to be read from the pulpits of the LDS Church in California on June 29th.  Many others have expressed similar sentiments and made the same appeal.

The AP reports that these calls for political displays are rankling some Mormons.  Of course, the letter itself is also rankling plenty of Mormons.  In any case, the AP's reporting would seem to be confirmed by this post at Mormon blog Nine Moons.

As we gear up for this action, we've found a handy tool for finding LDS meeting locations and times, provided courtesy of the same folks who drafted the letter we'll be protesting this Sunday.  Just type in your city or postal code and it'll do the rest.  Please show up and show some love this Sunday (or if you're LDS and attending this Sunday, walk out and show a little solidarity with your gay brothers and sisters).

Chino Blanco

Originally posted to Chino Blanco on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 05:33 PM PDT.

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  •  A suggestion: be polite. (11+ / 0-)

    Sounds weird, I know. But Mormons really get family, they really get love. Emphasize love and family, and that's your best shot at reaching Mormons.

    -4.25, -4.87 "If the truth were self-evident, there would be no need for eloquence." -- Cicero

    by HeyMikey on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 05:49:39 PM PDT

  •  Fascinating diary but (4+ / 0-)
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    skywaker9, Rogneid, wil5013, nolakohler

    I really wish you'd flesh it out more, and give us more background. I understand you may have written it in a hurry, but still.

    What I think you're likely referring to is the letter from the LDS First Presidency, calling on members to support a constitutional amendment defining marriage as "between a man and woman." You are publicizing a planned action against this letter, where non-LDS show up at the wards where the letter is read and express support of single-sex couples who wish to marry. Am I right?

    •  Pls note links provided to my previous diary ... (1+ / 0-)
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      skywaker9

      The present diary is meant to help with finding the nearest LDS chapel.

    •  Don't think non LDS can attend services nt (0+ / 0-)
      •  Completely untrue, as a matter of fact. (0+ / 0-)

        The Sunday services--Sacrament Meeting, Sunday School, Relief Society (women only), etc., are absolutely open to visitiors. What is NOT open to non-LDS, though public tours are held in portions of the building, are "consecrated" portions of the LDS Temple.

        What I am honestly not sure about, is the public accessibility of the men-only, "priesthood" meetings which occur on a Sunday, along with other meetings I've mentioned above.

      •  I've been to a few & I'm Episkie. (0+ / 0-)

        It's the Temple that has selective attendance. Not even all LDS can attend Temple ceremonies.

        There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. -- Robert Benchley -5.75, -7.18

        by Rogneid on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 08:04:51 PM PDT

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  •  Another reason to elect Obama (2+ / 0-)
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    karmsy, goshzilla

    He'd actually have the IRS pursue folks that violated the ban on churches being political like this.

    "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

    by skywaker9 on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 06:13:57 PM PDT

  •  I am ashamed to say (5+ / 0-)
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    skywaker9, skwimmer, Rogneid, karmsy, sovery

    that my brother is a Mormon bishop in southern California.  It is very hard to think of him standing in front of his congregation reading that letter.  I hope he gets protested.  In the mean time, I'm mustering up the courage to talk to him about it.

  •  chapels or temples? (1+ / 0-)
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    Rogneid

    I have options.  I can go to a variety of locations not far from home -- in fact I can go to one at 9:30 and then another one in a different spot at 11:30.  Or I could go over the hill to the Los Angeles temple.  

    What would you recommend?  I know the temple won't be open on Sunday but is it a more symbolic opportunity?  

  •  I don't understand your objective (0+ / 0-)

    You are protesting what a religion is teaching, advocating for in their services?

    •  Meddling in politics to enshrine discrimination (1+ / 0-)
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      Rogneid

      The LDS operates out of Salt Lake City.  They have no business inserting themselves into California politics.  And no business attempting to codify discrimination anywhere.

      They are responsible for rolling back passage of the ERA (Equal Rights [for women] Amendment in the 70s.  They won't be able to do it again now that someone has played their hand publicly.  

      •  right (0+ / 0-)

        and I am not supporting their POV but it is a religion and they gather to talk about their common beliefs, I think it's safe to say the vast majority of LDSers are against Gay marriage.

        It just strikes me as fans of pork protesting a Jewish temple and has the potential to turn off the middle of the roaders.

        •  When Jewish orgs amend state constitutions (2+ / 0-)
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          to outlaw consuming pork (as if and what an example of tolerance the Jewish community is in contrast) it would be analogous.  

          Everyone knows how the LDS feels about SSM.  Everyone refrains from objecting to what their teachings are.  Telling Mormons to open their checkbooks to contribute to organizations pushing the amendment to ban SSM and to find the time to work for it is a different thing.  It is a huge step up, even, from their previous statements that Mormons should follow their consciences and let legislators know how they felt.  

          Tolerance is the water that the LDS and all of us swim in.  And they have tax exemption to be a religious and not a lobbying organization.

        •  If my Jewish friends took away my bacon ... (3+ / 0-)
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          I'd track them down and kindly ask them to return it.

  •  Not sure how I feel about this (0+ / 0-)

    because I wouldn't want someone from another religious group coming in to protest during one of my church's services if the Episcopal Church took a stand that they didn't like.

    "Old soldiers never die -- they get young soldiers killed." -- Bill Maher

    by Cali Scribe on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 07:23:14 PM PDT

    •  I get your ambivalence, but like Aimee says ... (0+ / 0-)

      We're not gonna stop ...

      It's not gonna stop ...

      ... until we wise up.

      (Sorry, my wife's playin' the Magnolia soundtrack and I dig that Aimee Mann - Voices Carry never fails to take me back to freshman year BYU 1985)

  •  Not a good idea in my opinion (2+ / 0-)
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    Rogneid, karmsy

    I was raised LDS.

    A core part of their culture is the flight west to SLC.    Driven out of Missouri and Illinois because of their religious beliefs.

    But from their perspective, the willingness to abandon their homes, families, and everything else to defend their beliefs is what makes them the one true church.

    So by protesting their decision, at their church, you are strongly reinforcing this belief system.

    It changes this from being yet another thing they ask you to do (like weeding next saturday at the Stake farm) into a core battle to defend their beliefs.

    Not a good idea in my opinion.

    •  And yet all that doesn't help them understand (1+ / 0-)
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      Chino Blanco

      or have any compassion for another persecuted group.  @@

      •  Didn't say that it would (0+ / 0-)

        But neither does protesting at their services.

        If you know a mormon personally, talk to them about how happy you are that some of your loved ones can now get married.

        Share your joy over the legalization of gay marriage.

        Don't wave your banners and trigger a need to defend their religion.

        They have 2yrs of food in the garage just in case you try seige warfare.  So unless you plan on being there for a while...

        •  Siege warfare?!?!?!? n/t (0+ / 0-)
        •  I don't think your characterization of Mormons (2+ / 0-)
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          is helpful.

          Contra what your comment seems to be implying, the Mormons I know are a sophisticated, well-educated bunch, and nearly all of them quite capable of doing nuance.

          •  Sorry - inside joke about the food. (1+ / 0-)
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            karmsy

            That comment was not appropriate for this forum.

            In my defense.  After the third time Mom sends you home with 4 gallon sized cans of beans because "they are only good for 4 yrs and they expire next week", you gotta laugh.

            My apologies to anyone who was offended.

            I guess my original point stands: you can approach this one on one with your LDS friends and treat it like you would anyone else who wasn't in favor of gay marriage.

            Or you can attend their services trying to make a point.  In my opinion, the second option is an aggressive stance that will feel like an attack on their religion.  And it's going to harden their resolve.

            My family is pretty liberal for mormons.  Live and let live.  But if somebody showed up to services to make a point, my dad would be livid.

            •  Perhaps you dad would be livid, (1+ / 0-)
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              karmsy

              but at least he would have been exposed to a little rational thinking.

              Chino Blanco's original diary on this topic expressed only polite, dignified forms of protest, those emphasizing the fact that gays have their own families too.

              My wife (a Mormon) was dumbfounded when she read the print-out of the letter from the LDS Presidency.  Hard as it was for her to accept, she had to agree that her church, from the highest level, was telling her how to vote.

              The LDS top leadership is dictating to its California members how to vote, however disguised that message is by careful wording.  That's the crux of the matter.

              If we're not willing to boldly refute the lies, the lies will stand as truth. (-6.75, -6.72)

              by cn4st4datrees on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:09:37 PM PDT

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              •  Umm, exposed to rational thinking? (1+ / 0-)
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                karmsy

                I know a lot of mormons.  A lot.  My whole life.

                They are regularly exposed to rational thinking.  Just like everyone else in the world.

                As a matter of fact my mother kinda supports gay marriage and my father is not bothered one way or the other.  The church leadership doesn't write letters about things that everyone already agrees with.  That would be a waste of time.

                And like so much else that gets read at church (like please sign up for delivery dinner to so-and-so's house, or our turn to weed at Stake farm next saturday, etc.) it's going to be acted on or ignored on an individual basis.

                But if outsiders are involved.  Showing up to let everyone there know they disagree with the church leadership.  What do you think will happen?  Well obviously you have to defend your beliefs against the attacks of outsiders.

                Voting against and campaigning against gay marriage becomes a fight to protect your religious views from outside attack.  And my father would be livid.  Really really pissed off.

                And since he's the bishop that means that instead of a 5 min thing one time it will be a 10min thing from now until Nov.

                •  Yes, it's now gonna be an issue until Nov 4 ... (1+ / 0-)
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                  karmsy

                  So, why the decision to read this letter on June 29th?

                  Didn't anyone in the LDS leadership stop and consider that reading it now would create exactly the situation you're describing?

                  Or did they think it was just too much fun to read the letter on the anniversary of Stonewall?

                  By reading it on the very day that others are commemorating and celebrating Stonewall, it ends up looking like a deliberate provocation.

                  Anyway, it's definitely gonna get interesting between now and November 4th, and the LDS leadership will have noone to blame but themselves if their tactic backfires or stirs up contention.

  •  Tks for following-up w/ a fair explanation (0+ / 0-)

    I really, really don't want to see any gratuitous negative comments about Mormons here.  And now I understand that you were just kiddin' around.  No worries.

    At the same time, I think rank-and-file Mormons need to understand that what the leadership is asking them to do looks like an attack on our gay friends and their families.  Pls don't attack them and expect us all to just keep quiet.  If some group or other decided they wanted to amend the constitution to prevent Mormon marriages from being recognized, I'd be up-in-arms about that as well.  Live and let live is right.

  •  Hi ya, Chino Blanco. (2+ / 0-)
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    karmsy, Chino Blanco

    Some good news here.  I shared your diary of yesterday with my wife, as I said I would (in the comments section).  It disturbed her greatly, and when I asked her if I could contact her Bishop to see if he was going to read the letter, and if he was would she mind if I politely shared my "testimony" in favor of emphasizing that gays have a family too, guess what happened?

    Turns out she isn't planning on going to services tomorrow anyway.  She had already planned on going out of town for the day to help with a birthday party for her granddaughter, who lives about sixty miles away.

    So, I guess for us right now the issue (of my gently protesting during sacrament services) is moot, but I think I may just take my little rainbow flag with me and go out tomorrow to the church parking lot and at least wave it around a bit.

    If we're not willing to boldly refute the lies, the lies will stand as truth. (-6.75, -6.72)

    by cn4st4datrees on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:01:56 PM PDT

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