"fly-over" America and NY Lampoon

I'm posting this diary to provide emails to the New Yorker and its advertisers.  They are included below the fold...Yea, Yea, I know...this has been discussed ad nauseum

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but please bear with me.  In addition, for those of us who can't access the current diary because of its size, or have just now got wind of this story, I think we need another venue to express views.  The current rec'd diary completely pulled my computer into "lockdown" due to the size.

Many on the other diary http://www.dailykos.com/... have have suggested those of us in "fly-over" America just don't get this.  We don't seen the humor, the satire, etc. because we must not be educated enough to get it, or we are not used to reading the witty New Yorker, or we don't understand freedom of speech or...it goes on and on.  In some ways, I find that as insulting as the so-called "lampoon" cover.  The fact of the matter is, we do get it.  We get it...we don't, however, have to like it or accept it.

I think this is an outrageous example of the media's belief that they can say or do anything in the name of freedom.  If this "cartoon" had been embedded with a story discussing the rumors, then that might have been acceptable.  This however, is not.

I'm sick of hearing about how "unbiased" the New Yorker is. How etheral it is....This cover goes way over the bounds of satire.  Are we going to get a cover from the New Yorker portraying McCain in a similar light?  If so, I'm sure some of the Kos readers can suggest some colorful images and I hope they do so.  

One theme of this campaign has been "the world is watching"...Yes they are and this image is not what we want anyone to be seeing.  

I'm finished with the New Yorker; I will never read it again.  Why?  Well, heck...I'm just from Mid-America...I guess I don't really get it.

In the mean time, please join my be emailing and contacting the The New Yorker and let them know your opinion; no matter what YOU think of the cover, let them know by expressing your freedom of speech.  

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•  tips, rec's, flames and disgust

  Go for it.

  by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:08:00 AM PDT

•  And this has to do

  with people who live in NYC what?

  by Trotsky the Horse on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:13:48 AM PDT

  •  Hopefully nothing.

    Many have suggested that it is a "New York" mentality to get this.  That is my point.  

    by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:15:40 AM PDT

    •  i'm sorry...

      but i can't hear you over the expresso machine. ya'll need to go back and check out the history of political cartoons before you lose your minds.

      http://www2.truman.edu/...

      tung sol

      and yes it's unfortunate that we live in a country where many are ignorant and illiterate, but thats one of the great freedoms, freedom from information and intelligence

      by tung sol on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:52:28 AM PDT

      •  I"m not against political satire.

        I'm against running this as a cover picture.  If it was embedded in a story discussing the issues, then it would be ok.  This is a blatant attempt to stir the pot IMO and as one pointed out below...feeds the trolls and those who actually might believe this...SATIRE or not.

        by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 07:02:21 AM PDT

  •  As I tried to read through

    all the comments on the Rec'd diary on this subject, I came away not only offended by the lampoon but offended that many suggested that mid-America doesn't get the satire, the humor, the point.  That in fact offended me even more.

    by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:18:20 AM PDT

    •  As a sophisticated New Yorker

      I get the satire and the humor all right: infantile humor and racist satire.

      by Trotsky the Horse on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:45:44 AM PDT

      •  Surprise! I get that too!...

        by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:47:58 AM PDT

        •  Hey!

          I got a cousin in Joisey, ya know!

          by Trotsky the Horse on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 07:19:32 AM PDT

•  sorry dont agree, i think leaders should be made

  fun of and this would not be as effective as you think. if Obama wearing a real turban in AFrica did not destroy his candidacy in the primary, obama the caricature wearing the same turban and giving his wife the "terrorist fist jab" is not going to harm him.

  it really disturbed me the time a watched the daily show and Jon Stewart made fun of Obama's seal and the audience could not even laugh at that, because they were being PC, i dont know about you but Obama is not a saint and should not be one either. granted he is not a terrorist but i should not even have to say that.

  by jama on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:20:17 AM PDT

•  Yeah... New Yorkers.

  Sometimes we buy our own hype. I've also seen more than one poster explain the cover away with the excuse that New York -- especially the Upper West Side, natch -- is just one big liberal love fest and bubble of progressive thinking.

  LOL! If only. New York has its problems like everywhere else. Lots of good points, too. But we shouldn't be looking down our noses at everyone else, pointing fingers, and claiming that racists only live elsewhere. At least not until after we've desegregated the schools.

  by brklyngrl on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:24:34 AM PDT

  •  Exactly my point.

    Don't make a point by insulting the country's intelligence

    by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:31:55 AM PDT

•  I think it was last night

  someone wrote a brief diary expressing feelings similar to yours, and there were interesting comments.

  http://www.dailykos.com/...

  by ozarkspark on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:28:48 AM PDT

  •  I tried to search through all the postings

    made on this but missed this one.  Thanks for pointing it out.  His position is similar so I guess I'm not alone in my thinking.

    by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:34:10 AM PDT

    •  I used the search term

      "New Yorker too stupid"  to find this one, lol! Naw, you're not alone.  And not stoopid, neether.

      by ozarkspark on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:42:07 AM PDT

•  Speaking as a New Yorker,

  I too am furious at The New Yorker and disgusted by the cover.  I hope everyone cancels their subscription and it goes out of business.  The good writers like Hersh can get jobs elsewhere.

  by Dave G on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:43:03 AM PDT

  •  If I had a subscription I would cancel

    I have emailed them to let them know had upsetting this is..Also, hopefully people will let the advertisers know.  Not sure how many readers they have but it would be interesting to see if there is a decline post-lampoon.

    by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:46:14 AM PDT

  •  Me too,

    but it would cause a couple of people I know to go into seizure.  It'd be a strange world for them without their New Yorker.

    by Marc in KS on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:46:52 AM PDT

    •  Maybe I have never gotten it. I think

      of the episode of Seinfeld when Elaine was trying to get a New Yorker cartoon published.  The pig at the complain desk:  "I want to be taller"....Jerry didn't get that one and he's a New Yorker!  I feel better...

      by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:49:46 AM PDT

      •  I lived there for seven years.

        I didn't really start to understand the cover art until my 5th or 6th.  And even sometimes my lifelong-New-Yorker spouse and I would get stumped by one.  We'd sit down and try to figure out why it was funny, and fail.

        by Marc in KS on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:55:49 AM PDT

        •  Don't be hard on yourself...Maybe...

          it just wasn't funny!  And the joke is on those who sit and try to find the "funny" in it...Maybe that is their goal?  To say "if we think it is funny then it must be"...

          I personally know what is funny and what is not..I don't need a ragazine to educate me.

          by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:58:21 AM PDT

•  Cartoon feeds the trolls

  What makes the New Yorker cartoon not OK is that it feeds the raw meat folks who think it reflects their understanding of reality.

  In a rational world such an image would not be problematic.

  P.S. How does this relate to "flyover America"? Is it because we are "middle America"? I don't mind, by the way. I am very happy to live in flyover country, and am perfectly happy to stay that way. :-) :-) Cowtown, here I am!

  by lenski on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:51:32 AM PDT

  •  I was just using a term used in another diary

    to describe mid-Americas and why we don't get it.  I guess the point being made in that case was in flying from NY to LA those below don't have the capacity to understand the satire? I'm not sure...

    I agree...I like being flown over.

    by Kyman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:56:14 AM PDT