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If Clinton were the nominee,

Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:20:11 PM PDT

What would we have seen on the cover of  The New Yorker?

Would Remnick, who I generally respect, have dared to run and defend the satire of  a cover cartoon that depicted Senator Clinton wearing the uniform of an SS storm trooper, Eva Braun wig and standing in a hallway holding a burning bra in one hand and a leash reminiscent of Lyndie Englund in the other with a nude, except for a top hat, Uncle Sam on the floor at the end of the leash?  With one high heeled boot firmly planted on a Bible.  Add a poster on the wall with a picture of Bill Clinton sporting a Hitler mustache. Wouldn’t such an image be entirely consistent with the messaging of the rightwing about the Clintons?  As completely false and incendiary as the image of the Obamas on the latest issue of The New Yorker?  As filled with irony?

While I can imagine such a disgusting and provocative illustration, as analogous to that of the Obamas as one could get, I truly can’t visualize it on the cover of The New Yorker.  Nor can I envision a similarly ironic image for McCain, Bush or Cheney.  One absent a scintilla of truth and places any of those public figures in a position of violating cherished American iconography.  

The problem with The New Yorker cover is that it’s so meta, so cool, that it fails to communicate a truth.  It doesn’t inherently reference the intended target if its wit, the rightwing media: television, radio, print or internet.  Much less does it poke a stick in the eye of it.  It can be lifted with no modification and disseminated by the the intended target to advance their propaganda about Obama.  Propaganda given greater currency because it first appeared on the cover of a liberal magazine.  Not unlike what the Bush gang did with the propaganda that they managed to get placed in front page stories of the New York Times.

Is it irony when those who don’t "get it," can use it to support their prejudices or ignorance?  Irony when those who don’t "get it," don’t get that they  don’t "get it?"  Most Americans don’t "get" New Yorker cartoons but they know enough and don’t hesitate to acknowledge that they don’t.  It’s also doubtful that The New Yorker readers have had much, if any, contact with the most virulent anti-Obama, anti-Democratic Party, anti-liberal, rhetoric and imagery blipping around the internet.  So, exactly how were they supposed to perceive the intended target of that cartoon?  Have not instead seen an repetition of ugly racial, anti-Muslim, anti-American stereotypes?  Conflated into one illustration that on its face, blatantly mocked the Democratic Presidential nominee.

The comedic stylings of George Carlin and Lenny Bruce were often raw and tasteless but never not funny if one "got it."  Even if one didn’t appreciate the humor.  I was appalled by a much e-mailed illustration of a few months ago that depicted the Clintons standing in front of a large white house with a lawn jockey, but I "got it."  Had The New Yorker cover included a logo such as "National Review Exclusive," it still wouldn’t have been funny but at least it would have been defensible.  As it is, so arch, hip and cool, the illustration couldn’t tickle the funny bones of almost anyone that isn’t consciously or unconsciously a racist.  But even there it failed to confront, hold a mirror up to, those who smiled, giggled or laughed.

Perhaps The New Yorker needs that mirror.  As it still exhibits the smugness of the guests at a NYC cocktail party immortalized by Lenny Bruce decades ago.  So hip and cool that one of the guests was a black man.  The others all clucking their tongues about the racism in the south where a black man was the help and not a guest.  Exhibiting how comfortable they were with the black man in their company by stating that they weren’t racists.  As long as their sisters didn’t marry one.              

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  •  If my Grandma had balls (6+ / 0-)

    she'd be my Grandpa

  •  I actually can imagine that illustration (3+ / 0-)

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    But on the editorial page of the Washington Times.

    For the Clintons, the fanatical ravings of the right really did reach such ludicrous proportions. You just can't satire what they thought of them.

    See you at the debates, bitches! - Paris Hilton.

    by Bobs Telecaster on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:22:16 PM PDT

  •  I don't know the media is pretty obsessed with (1+ / 0-)

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    Hillary,

    who knows what they might have done

  •  Marie, I cannot believe that (9+ / 0-)

    you left the murdered corpse of Vince Foster out of the imagined cartoon.  For shame!

    To be fair, millenia of xenophobia and religious bigotry make lampooning the Obamas as a Satanic mating of Osama bin Laden and Angela Davis much easier to comprehend at a glance, so how indeed could they resist?  Otherwise, point well made.

    John McCain's Court will overturn Roe; don't kid yourself.

    by Seneca Doane on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:24:32 PM PDT

  •  "Holding a mirror up to the world" (11+ / 0-)

    Incuded to add (from a comment of mine yesterday): they didn't hold up a mirror to the world, as satirists do -- they just held up a picture frame.

    John McCain's Court will overturn Roe; don't kid yourself.

    by Seneca Doane on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:25:53 PM PDT

    •  Beautiful way of putting it (5+ / 0-)

      There was no bite to this satire. A lot of Americans are convinced that the Obama's are radical black Muslims. The cover portrayed them as radical black Muslims. There was no visual punch-line or gotcha that would make the holders of such views to feel stupid. A key element of satire was missing.

      The weak in courage is strong in cunning-William Blake

      by beltane on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:38:07 PM PDT

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      •  Please read... (1+ / 0-)

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        ...pico's informative discussion of satire here.  Like most good diaries it was lost in the tidal wave, but I think it is very informative.

        •  Agree that it's a good diary, but (0+ / 0-)

          his definition seems much too broad for me.  Plenty of good literature will make use of satire, but we wouldn't label them satirical novels.  Jane Austen is one writer that comes to mind.

          I very much like and recommend DHinIA's comment to pico's diary:

          Nevertheless, I disagree that satire is not required to be funny. I would agree that good satire will be found unfunny by many people, usually the subjects.  The problem is that bad satire is also unfunny, so I can understand your mistake.
          ...

          I posit that satire, to be effective, must be clearly aimed at a discernable target. It must also be a suitable target, ...

          The problem with the New Yorker cover was not that it was awful. It hit the wrong target. It was aimed at pompous right wing gasbags, but it hit the Obamas instead.
          ...

          What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

          by Marie on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 06:55:34 PM PDT

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  •  I heard that over at The New Yorker, (3+ / 0-)

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    just before they made the editorial decision to put the cartoon on the cover,
    that Remnick was huffing gold spray paint.

    -4.38, -7.64 Voyager 1: proof that what goes up never comes down.

    by pat bunny on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:29:54 PM PDT

  •  I haven't recieved my NYer in the mail yet, (3+ / 0-)

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    usually it's here by now. My Grandma hasn't got hers yet either???

    Enough with the speeches and the big rallies!!

    by JNSD on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:31:40 PM PDT

  •  Their "parody" was a caricature of the victims.NT (4+ / 0-)

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    "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." Orwell

    by NotablyZen on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:33:23 PM PDT

  •  Maybe it wasn't satire, maybe it was a Rorschach. (3+ / 0-)

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    Why did I understand what the artist was getting at? Maybe it was the flag burning in the fireplace? Maybe it was the black panther outfit? I'm really not that bright, but I do love satire and standing things on their head.

    On the other hand, since the media has kept many of these rumors and lies alive, I can see why people hyperventilate about its appearance.

    The fault with Limbaugh lies not within the lard but within ourselves

    by the fan man on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:36:09 PM PDT

  •  I'm from NC and there is much (2+ / 0-)

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    support on the streets of Charlotte, both black and white.  so this could just be hype.

    As individual as you are, one is still at risk of being judged by the company they keep.

    by publicv on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:37:07 PM PDT

  •  Didn't The New Yorker magazine publish a cover (1+ / 0-)

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    (forgot when exactly) with a cartoon depicting Clinton and Obama sleeping in the same bed in a shoddy looking bedroom?

    Does that cover mean that they were having sex or sleeping together? No. It clearly was a satire. I really do think that the cover (the last cover of TNY) was efficient and very satirical. I laughed...

    Don't give a damn a/t each & every politician currently alive in the US. Last time i voted for the top part of the ballot was 1972. Never missed SB elections

    by Mutual Assured Destruction on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:39:16 PM PDT

  •  I love the NYer but don't defend it on this (4+ / 0-)

    very poor call. Normally they mock public figures for their ACTUAL flaws or misdeeds, not for their utterly fictional and imagined ones.  

    I will feel a little better if and when they directly skewer McCain, equal time. Perhaps with something like this, courtesy of kossack Paying Attention.

    Photobucket

    Or maybe (with different or omitted captioning) this:
    Photobucket

    But even then, I won't be entirely consoled.  Because McCain has EARNED those.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:39:23 PM PDT

    •  Is it even possible to (4+ / 0-)

      construct a "satirical" illustration of the McCains that would be analogous to what was done to Obama?  Must have zero truth, trash US symbols, etc.  Personally, I don't think it can be done.

      What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

      by Marie on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:44:20 PM PDT

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      •  Hmmm, tough stretch indeed (1+ / 0-)

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        though the comment just below re "humor" on McCain's POW history could be a fair rival for tasteless offensiveness.  

        I suppose if we showed him personally waterboarding children while riding a nuclear missile into Iran a la Dr. Strangelove, and clutching buckets of ill-gotten cash from the S&L scandal, it would be a LITTLE teensy bit unfair ... maybe.  

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:48:49 PM PDT

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        •  Thought of all those but (0+ / 0-)

          there's that grain of truth about him in all that.

          What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

          by Marie on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:51:45 PM PDT

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          •  Well, by the pathetic standard of one grain (0+ / 0-)

            we would have to admit that Barack Obama has closer ties to Islam than most of us, what with his dad and his middle name and his childhood travels.  We would have to admit that Michelle has articulated what used to be called "Afrocentric" views that many find radical.

            So I don't think a tiny grain of truth in a mountain of slander is really an impediment to massive unfairness.

            "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

            by lgmcp on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:56:28 PM PDT

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            •  By that standard -- put the McCains (0+ / 0-)

              on a plantation, drinking beer and driving a Caddy that is mowing down their slaves.  (Cindy's beer distibutor did lobby against MADD)  

              I have a friend who has a Persian name and has traveled extensively, both as a child and an adult.  Does that mean that she has Muslim ties?  That's totally ridiculous.  "Afro-centric" views?  Guess that's why she went to an Ivy League college.  

              What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

              by Marie on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 05:06:52 PM PDT

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              •  Call it ridiculous if you like (0+ / 0-)

                but the point remains, that even the most egregious slander you try to come up with, on WHOEVER, will have some filament however slender of connection to reality.  Otherwise it wouldn't function even as a slander, it would just be a puzzling non-sequitur.  

                "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

                by lgmcp on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 05:12:34 PM PDT

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                •  And yes, (0+ / 0-)

                  your friend does have Muslim ties (which is not a bad thing), especially compared to millions of Americans who are under the impression that they've neve met a Muslim (since they've never met a suicide bomber).  And attendance at an Ivy league college is scarcely incompatible with holding left-wing views on racial politics that many Americans would find alarming.    

                  "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

                  by lgmcp on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 05:26:05 PM PDT

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                  •  My point is that as a blond, blue-eyed (1+ / 0-)

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                    Brit, she would never be associated with Islam in anyone's mind.  Even though she lived in Saudi for two years and traveled throughout the region.  Yet, as an adult she has had far more numerous contacts with Muslims in the ME than Obama has.

                    What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

                    by Marie on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 06:17:25 PM PDT

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              •  Well... (2+ / 0-)

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                ...I think I see what you're saying, but this:

                I have a friend who has a Persian name and has traveled extensively, both as a child and an adult.  Does that mean that she has Muslim ties?

                ...bothers me.  It is the same smear bullshit that bothers me about Obama generally.  He has "ties" and "associations" and a general "air" of controversy.  But it is bullshit because all that it boils down to is that he has Muslim family members, he was one of dozens of Republican and Democratic politicians who knew Rezko and he disagrees with his preacher, from time to time.

                I for one would hope that your friend has Muslim ties.  I know I do.  I benefit from them and welcome them.

                That was something that I really appreciated about his response.  The real victims here are Muslims, and in essence the smears (as brutally laid bare by the NYer, IMO) equate being a Muslim with being a radical, America-hating violent terrorist.  

                •  Was merely trying to illustrate that (0+ / 0-)

                  an association with any group doesn't mean diddly squat. Nobody thinks "Muslim and by extension terrorist" when they see my friend.  Whereas, they do that with Obama who has had far fewer personal contacts with Muslims than my friend.  That's because it's easy for stupid people to accept the conflation of two negative stereotypes: Black and Muslim.  

                  That's exactly what TNY did.  And it's important to remember that the association of those two sterotypes pre-dated 9/11.  I'm old enough to remember when Muhammed Ali was reviled for his religion and refusal to kill innocent people in Vietnam.

                  What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

                  by Marie on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 06:25:57 PM PDT

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      •  I came across (0+ / 0-)

        ...this yesterday.

        Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

        by BarbinMD on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:49:13 PM PDT

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        •  Hmm, yes, a fairly exact analogy (0+ / 0-)

          in showing the maligned spouses in the oval office, burning the thing they're supposed to be protecting.  And its offensive and bigoted exaggeration of  things that some of us believe have more than a grain of truth, is pretty analogous also.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:53:04 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, but -- (3+ / 0-)

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          contains too much truth about the McCains.  Cindy did steal drugs to support her addiction and McCain did say, "bomb, bomb, bomb, etc.

          Would have to have Cindy living trailer park and working as a pole dancer to come near to what was done to Michelle Obama.

          What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

          by Marie on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 04:55:36 PM PDT

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      •  The equivalent would be to show McCain as a (2+ / 0-)

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        traitor confessing important US secrets to his captors without even being tortured.

        Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty International

        by doinaheckuvanutjob on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 05:15:01 PM PDT

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    •  This may not be totally on point (2+ / 0-)

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      but I'd accept their publishing this, which I just threw together:

      Photobucket

      John McCain's Court will overturn Roe; don't kid yourself.

      by Seneca Doane on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 05:13:32 PM PDT

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  •  I will accept The New Yorker's explanation when (3+ / 0-)

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    they run a picture of John McCain on the cover in a movie director's outfit directing himself in a propoganda film for the North Vietnamese.  That would be a hysterical satirical sendup of the people who mistakenly think that he collaborated with the enemy when he was a prisoner in North Vietnam.

  •  Everyone is missing something (2+ / 0-)

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    Including myself until I read an innocent post on Andrew Sullivan.  He was posting one of the 5 jokes by Borowitz when it occurred to me:
    For so long whites, espcially right leaning, white males, used different groups to attack and make fun of.
    They had names like Frog, jap, mick, ect.  One for every group and several for some.
    In recent times it became unseemly, frowned on and unacceptable to stereotype and make fun of and put down certain groups.
    They resented this alot
    After 9-11 they finally had their group to hate: muslims.   For awhile it was the french as well.
    And it was acceptable in public to hate, deride and make fun of and be prejudice against muslims.
    The right leaning white male had their group to lift us their little brains, insecurities and finally feeling all powerful - white power and white superiority again.
    And they reveled in it.
    Not just the Limpbaughs and Shannity, but, the ones that need to hate.
    Muslims took the place of the other groups and to be linked to them is seen as a smear.
    In 1920 the rumor was Shocking about Harding being part Black.  and today it's Obama is a muslim.
    Both are the same.  hate.

  •  Let me refer you to this excellent commentary... (0+ / 0-)

    ...by Tom Tomorrow:

    "Satire By The Book".

    "The opposite of a triviality is plainly false; the opposite of a great truth is another great truth." - Niels Bohr

    by Autarkh on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 05:25:44 PM PDT

  •  I think I'm going to kill myself (1+ / 0-)

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    One more lecture about what constitutes 'funny' from someone who wouldn't know funny if it kissed their ass and I'm going to rent a dirigible and crash it into a pagoda. Oh, you'll miss me. You know you will.

    "Nothing destroys irony like having to explain it."

    by liberalis on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 06:02:40 PM PDT

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