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The General Decline of Just About Everything

Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:59:19 PM PDT

I am getting old (57) and I have seen better times.  Not in terms of my own finances, because truthfully I am about as prosperous as I've ever been, which is comfortably middle-class.  I have been poor and this is better.  Or in terms of my own mental health; I have been terminally depressed, and this is better.  But in terms of the rest of the world, our own nation, I have seen things slide down hill.  Of course, the global economy, not just our own, is in sorry shape, the dollar is depreciating, oil prices are going to the moon, inflation is rampant, there is turmoil in the Middle East.  Still, having lived through the seventies, I feel like this is deja-vu all over again.  We can survive this.

Other things are not so easy to fix.  And I don't mean that flippantly.

When I think of the general decline of everything, I start with the tide pools by the beach by my grandmother's house in Newport Beach, California.  Perhaps, because some of my earliest memories involve tide pools.  They were wonderful places.  There were sea anemones, starfish, little abalones, clams, mussels, barnacles, orange garibaldi, crabs, tiny little brightly-colored fish darting back and forth.  They were marvelous places.  I remember an old Japanese guy who shoved a coathanger into a crevice and came out with a little octopus.  I was astounded, not that he caught the octopus but that he would consider eating it.  Other people harvested the mussels from the rocks for food.  We didn't eat them, of course.  We broke them up and used them for fish bait.  

Much, much later, my brother-in-law and I went to Baja California and hired a Mexican guy to take us out in his boat.  While we were scuba diving, getting fresh scallops off the rocks, he was tearing apart west coast lobster and using it for fish bait.  He wouldn't eat lobster, of course.  To him it was a bug, an insect.

The tide pools still exist off Orange County, but there's not much left in them but hermit crabs.  You can still find a fully functional tide pool (last I checked) like it used to be in the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.  It's a museum piece that uses piped-in seawater and is mostly protected from people like you and me.

Recently, I had a discussion with my son (age 26) wherein I basically lamented the fact that things were falling apart and that his generation would bear the brunt.  He thought that every older generation felt that things were falling apart.  But I don't really think so.  My grandparents lived through the Depression and felt things could only get better for their children. And they did.  My parents lived through World War II and felt that things could only get better for their children.  And they did.  My generation lived through the Vietnam War, the Civil Rights Movement, and the Women's Movement, and we felt we were making things better for our children.  And to some extent we did.  

But we got too comfortable too quickly.  Politically, the resurgent left-wing from the Roosevelt era faded with prosperity. The labor movement that really gave us the middle class in America and elsewhere fell prey to corruption among its own members and a corrosive right-wing ideology that derided it as a stalking horse for Communism.  The antiwar movement that arose during the Sixties was never as strong as it was made out to be by its opponents.  Peace and Love made way for mortgage payments and tuition.  Absent the draft, as even Bush the lesser figured out, there was not a strong opposition in the U.S. to war.  We have always been willing to beat up on furriners.  Even the civil rights movement was, to some extent,  a victim of its own success.  Upscale blacks figured out that upscale people tended to be Republicans. And thus we have conservative black pundits.

At UC San Diego, when I was there, there was a professor emeritus named Herbert Marcuse (reknowned mainly as the mentor of Angela Davis).  He wrote a book called  One-Dimentional Man: Studies in the Ideology of Advanced Industrial Society (Routledge Classics) It has been years since I read it (it is a very difficult read, dense German prose rendered yet more densely into English), but the take home message I recall is that revolution is very difficult in the United States because the society ultimately co-opts the revolutionary.  He becomes part of the culture, is rewarded for his revolutionary ideas, gets a book deal, and forgets about the revolution.  Looking back, I think that Herbert Marcuse was a prophet.  Barack Obama is not a revolutionary, but even in opposing the neocon project for America, he is not presenting the stark contrast that he was a few months ago.  So I wonder.

Getting back to my son, and my daughter, and my hoped for grandchildren, I don't believe that they will be able much longer to live the way that I have lived.  Jumping in the car, driving from Tennessee to California and back, flying to Hawaii for a wedding, driving three hours for a week-end paddling trip down a remote river.  These peripatetic motions expend precious resources.  Worse, they drive up atmospheric carbon so that we are living at the breaking point between an irreversible slide into a global warming future that will make the past look not just like the Good Old Days, but more like an unbelievable Garden of Eden that couldn't possibly have existed.

Maybe the sacrosanct laws of supply and demand will save us, like some of more ecologically aware of conservatives expect.  Like the cost of gas is going up just as required to prevent global warming, like the God of all Free Markets warrants.  

But I don't believe it.  Human beings are the most adaptable of species; hence our pre-eminence.  We will gassify coal, or whatever, enough to keep on generating kilojoules to power our life-style, well not ours generally, but at least the life style of the rich, and more power to cool down their dwellings, while the rest of us fry.  There is nothing I have seen in my life so far that would convince me that it won't go this way.

That capacity for revolution seems missing.  We need it badly. Herbert Marcuse was right.

   

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  •  America by and large doesn't want to hear (11+ / 0-)

    anything but rah rah. Wish I could rec this more than once.

    Here's to the forgotten prophets.

    What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

    by melvin on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:09:02 PM PDT

  •  Money... Death... Murders (14+ / 0-)

    I make as much or more than my dad did and supported a family of four on.  I can barely pay my mortgage and support me.

    My friends have died of HIV, of heart problems, of cancer, and I'm in my early 40s.

    There are more and more murders here...  Gang bangers write their stupid signs on people's houses.

    My .mac mail has been down since Thursday.

    My car is broken and I can't afford to fix it.

    Also, it is hot as hell, and talk radio says there is no global warming.

    Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! http://www.angrytoyrobot.blogspot.com The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

    by angrytoyrobot on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:12:41 PM PDT

    •  PS - I want that idiot Bush's head on a pike (4+ / 0-)

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      Just sayin'

      Am I on the no-fly list yet?  Only the Shadow knows...  Bwahahahaa!

      Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! http://www.angrytoyrobot.blogspot.com The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

      by angrytoyrobot on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:14:42 PM PDT

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    •  I'm with you on the obituaries (6+ / 0-)

      I don't read them, but my wife does.  Every week she goes to a funeral.  These are people in their fifties.  My mother and stepfather are in their eighties.  

      Life expectancy in America is actually going down.  We're getting like the ex-Soviet Union.

      The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. --Goya

      by MadScientist on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:18:13 PM PDT

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      •  Like the Soviet Union indeed. (6+ / 0-)

        In the early 90s, when conservatives were busy constructing their false histories of how grandpa Reagan won World War III, a conservative acquaintance asked how it felt to be so wrong about everything. I replied that while the USSR had lost, it was not at all clear that we had won. Considering the monumental debt and massive, unsustainable military-industrial complex we had created, it was likely just a matter of time till we lost too. Even worse, the threat of nuclear war is with us to this day.

        During the rest of the 90's, I felt I had been too pessimistic-- of course the US would downsize its military and get the budget back under control. America would then turn its immense talent towards the real problems facing the country.

        But, just like Reagan twenty years before him, Bush came along to tell the country, Solving problems is hard. Wouldn't you rather have a parade instead? So now another precious decade has slipped through our grasp. We have squandered our time instead of facing the real problems so clearly laid out by Carter in the 70s. And for all the time wasted feeding at the no-new-taxes trough, we are sicker, shorter, and die sooner than almost all other industrialized nations.

        •  Too true! (3+ / 0-)

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          Well said.  The myth that the Reagan regime "defeated" the Soviets is one of the things that most enrages me. Reagan was a blithering idiot and he was surrounded by vile, mentally ill advisors. The people of the erstwhile USSR and Eastern Europe defeated the Party.  I lived in Europe at the time and any dissident would have told you that the system was about to collapse, and they were working hard to kick the legs out from under it. That Reagan took credit for their success is typical for a regime that in fact did nothing but parasitize history.

          "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

          by dhaemeon on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 03:20:22 AM PDT

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  •  I was explaining to my mother once... (15+ / 0-)

    ...why people were "whining" about the way things are in this country.  I told her people are upset that there are things they used to be able to do but can't.  I told her that she had a much better life than her parents did and that her children had a much better life than she had, but if she had grandchildren, there is no way in hell they'd have a better life and that is what has people so upset.

    I grew up in Alaska and there was this glacier (Portage Glacier) and it was a great place to go.  They built a multi million dollar visiter's center and had a boat dock on the lake that the glacier fed into that would take tourists and visitors up close to the face of the glacier.

    That glacier was my "tidal pool" and we would go there once a year and ooh and ahh over the natural splendor.  Every year though that glacier receeded further back until it was no longer ON the lake.  Eventually it receeded back over a hill and completely out of view of the visitor's center or the dock.  It just evaporated from existance.

    I moved away from Alaska several years ago but I find myself wondering if that visitor's center is even still there.  I wonder if the boat dock is still there.  I wonder if families still take their children on a yearly trip to see a glacier that no longer exists (or is at least so far away it can't be accessed).

    I am reminded of my favorite poem by William Wadsworth:

    The world is too much with us; late and soon,
    Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers;
    Little we see in Nature that is ours;
    We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon!
    This Sea that bares her bosom to the moon,
    The winds that will be howling at all hours,
    And are up-gathered now like sleeping flowers,
    For this, for everything, we are out of tune;
    It moves us not.--Great God! I'd rather be
    A Pagan suckled in a creed outworn;
    So might I, standing on this pleasant lea,
    Have glimpses that would make me less forlorn;
    Have sight of Proteus rising from the sea;
    Or hear old Triton blow his wreathed horn.

    You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

    by DawnG on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:13:56 PM PDT

    •  where the glacier has gone (2+ / 0-)

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      Forest Service says
      "Opened to the public in 1986, and rededicated with new exhibits in 2001, the Begich, Boggs Visitor Center is built upon the terminal moraine left behind by Portage Glacier in 1914.

      The visitor center offers an unique opportunity to learn about the Chugach National Forest, America's second largest national forest."
      Chugach NF

      "You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them." [Ray Bradbury]

      by RosyFinch on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 08:00:05 PM PDT

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  •  So let me see... (1+ / 0-)

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    the reason things are getting worse is

    1)We can't have all the goodies we want;

    and

    1. We want all the goodies we can't have?

    Hmmm....

    Founder and CFO, The Giddiyap Society.

    by Trotsky the Horse on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:17:18 PM PDT

    •  No, the reason that things are getting worse (11+ / 0-)

      is because we have seriously fucked things up.

      The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. --Goya

      by MadScientist on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:20:36 PM PDT

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    •  That is a rather trite simplificiation. (7+ / 0-)

      People aren't happy because things are getting worse.  It has less to do with "goodies" and more to do with the condition of the world at large.

      You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

      by DawnG on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:22:41 PM PDT

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    •  You've missed the whole point, sadly. n/t (3+ / 0-)

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      "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

      by dhaemeon on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:26:43 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, we're spoiled brats for wanting a decent (4+ / 0-)

      quality of life that has been taken away from us.

      Wanting to have decent health care that won't bankrupt us, able to afford owning a home, have enough money to retire comfortably, and a reasonable wage are all outrageously bratty spoiled desires.

      Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty International

      by doinaheckuvanutjob on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:50:23 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, those ARE (1+ / 0-)

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        "outrageously bratty spoiled desires", compared to how most of the world lives.  Or even compared to how we lived in this country not so long ago.

        It wasn't until the end of WWII that the US achieved majority home ownership. Families typically lived in multi-generational households,  with a maiden/widowed aunt or grandparent who couldn't afford to live on her/his own anymore.   While many middle class folks who were frugal were able to retire to a life that would be considered "comfortable" by global standards,  the modern notion of being able to climb into an 84-foot motorhome and cruise from one National Park to the next all year long would've been considered an "impossible dream" until very recently.  And it was a lot easier to save for retirement when it rarely lasted as long as 10 years.

        Americans don't want "decent" healthcare:  we want royal healthcare.  We want multiple MRIs for every sprained ankle,  and the ability to spend 6-7% of GDP extending the last week of life to 9 or 10 days,  while having the Magic Insurance Fairy pick up the tab.

        We had no chance of giving our kids the dramatic improvement in standard of living that we inherited,  because much of it was a matter of luck:  geography saved us from being bombed back into the Late Bronze Age in WWII like all the other industrialized nations,  and we made hay while the sun was shining.  Unfortunately,  we neglected to replant some of the fields,  and to invest in keeping our harvesting equipment up-to-date.  So we started getting our asses kicked when our devastated competitors rebuilt with combines the size of Rhode Island,  and cut their cost of hay production to a quarter of ours.

        I think we still have a chance to get back to growth (though perhaps not to the levels we saw post-WWI).  But we'll probably need to go through some tough times,  just like everyone else did,  as we make the changes and investments we should have been making all along.

        •  Actually we're behind every western democracy and (0+ / 0-)

          1st world country now in virtually every quality of life category.

          I'm not willing to settle for it, maybe you are. And comparing us to a 3d world country is comparing apples to oranges.

          As to health care, almost half if not more of our people are not even getting the basics covered, so your notion we want royal treatment is akin to GWB saying WTF is the problem since anyone can go to the emergency room. Our health care system is completely out of whack, it's not the patients wanting royal treatment, it's the executives of health insurance companies who drive up the price of MRI's, and deny care to cure illnesses, and as to preventable illnesses-- we're last in the world in preventing illness now, it was reported on NPR. Personally, I'd want that MRI if it caught something early and prevented a worse problem. Canada covers all tests and there's a good rationale for that, you can diagnose properly and rule out more serious problems, that's called practicing good medicine. Yeah, there's waste in excess terminal care, but you can have a living will to specify you refuse to be hooked up to a machine in a vegetative state and prevent some of that, that's your choice, I would.

          Overall, I think it's pretty smug and shows that being comfortable and having yours means you don't have to have any compassion when the crap hits the fan for those who don't have theirs, and like a good Republican, they believe that's their fault if they drown when there's a flood after a hurricane.

          Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty International

          by doinaheckuvanutjob on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 04:18:29 PM PDT

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  •  Not sure that we "got too comfortable (9+ / 0-)

    too quickly."  What really happened is that the corporatists finally figured out how to make us care about what they could provide and forget about what they couldn't.  Oddly, the more stuff we got, the more deprived we felt -- in part because our frame of reference for good enough was shifted from modest/average to the rich and famous.

    What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

    by Marie on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:28:08 PM PDT

    •  I'm not too sure about this... (9+ / 0-)

      back in my parents days, it was a rare mother that worked.  My mother never worked until my father disabled himself by being a hopeless drunk.  And even with my mother working more or less minimum wage, we never got welfare, we got by and didn't feel deprived.  That would be impossible now for a family of five.

      The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. --Goya

      by MadScientist on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:39:11 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)

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        Those of us who lived in that time remember: one parent worked and a menial job was enough to keep you dignified.  We never locked our doors, even when we went away for the weekend. There was time for company . . .  It's incredibly different now.

        "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

        by dhaemeon on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:24:41 PM PDT

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      •  It was also the rare mother (1+ / 0-)

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        whose family took more than one jet-powered vacation in her lifetime.

        Or bought a new car before the loan on the old one had been paid off.

        Or took the family out to a restaurant multiple times per week.

        Or took Pilates classes.

        I believe a lot of the "wives have to work" perception comes from the facts that families today are buying more stuff,  buying it sooner,  and/or buying it on credit.  And paying money to reduce the amount of work that their parents (mostly mothers,  but also home- and car-repairing fathers) did inside the home.

        I think it's very likely that people living lifestyles similar to those of the 1950s aren't really working harder (though perhaps in a different mix of inside/outside the home).

    •  I think the point of this diary is more like your (2+ / 0-)

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      sig line, rather than the idea that some consume too much or have so much that they don't value the more important things in life or strive for social justice in politics, though both ideas have merit and truth.

      Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty International

      by doinaheckuvanutjob on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:52:14 PM PDT

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  •  Just in: (1+ / 0-)

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     title=

    idz wirld peas.....plez!

    Most people assume the fights are going to be the left versus the right, but it always is the reasonable versus the jerks. Jimmy Wales

    by 4Freedom on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:32:53 PM PDT

  •  This is an excellent diary and it needs (13+ / 0-)

    to be rescued.  I agree with the diarist.  It breaks my heart to see what has been done to this country.

    This country has sold its soul for profit.

    I'd recommend a hundred times if I could.

    A thousand times.

    pb

    Good feet giving up good boots. http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/

    by panicbean on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:35:05 PM PDT

  •  Times was--- (7+ / 0-)

    Many of our grandparents or great grandparents rarely left the counties they were born in.  You ate only what you could buy fresh and much of what you bought fresh had "seasons". If you lived in the countryside before 1940 or in cities before about 1920 you likely as not did not have electricity.  For most of us over fifty our families had no air-conditioner, one car, one TV, one refrigerator, and one inside bathroom (and felt damn lucky that we had those.)  Most middle-age people today have parents that went through neither the depression or WW II. Major and prolonged adversity have a way of molding character.  Our guts have never dealt with the cruel dichotomy of working vs starving.  Things are different and the "good-ole-days" ain't what they used to be.        

    •  My siblings and I had bad teeth (4+ / 0-)

      Mostly baby teeth.  My father said it was because you couldn't get fresh vegetables in Wyoming during the '50s.  I'm sure you couldn't.  If the price of fuel keeps up, you won't be able to a few years from now either.

      The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. --Goya

      by MadScientist on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:50:09 PM PDT

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    •  And "Major and prolonged adversity have a way of" (5+ / 0-)

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      making you learn to find joy in some simple things.

      I'm reminded of a bumper sticker back when this country seriously started to lose its way. It said "He with the most toys when he dies wins."

      What bullshit. Oddly, some of the most miserable people I've run across have toys out the ass. They are constantly seeking more and not finding any satisfaction. They are in hoc to their eyeballs and are worried.

      They are not winners. They are losers. They are poor suckers that bought in to the corporate message of "consume, consume and consume" instead of finding satisfaction in the simpler things.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 06:28:51 PM PDT

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  •  Should be "One Dimensional Man" (3+ / 0-)

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    Not "One-Dimentional Man",  Not sure how that typo crept in there.

    Sorry.

    The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. --Goya

    by MadScientist on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:47:03 PM PDT

  •  What a wonderful diary! (5+ / 0-)

    Thank you so much for saying what I feel, at 54, so much more eloquently and powerfully than I could.  Thank you!

    "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

    by dhaemeon on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:20:59 PM PDT

  •  The beauty of a sunset on the deck of the Titanic (13+ / 0-)

    Reading your description of the tidal flats, I'm reminded of the many examples I see of environmental decline - loss of biodiversity, invasive species wiping out native ones, pollution wiping out ecosystems at all scales...  I guess I see it more than others - or at least in more detail - because I've worked in the environmental field in one way or another my entire career (I'm 48).  I'm reminded of a quote from Aldo Leopold that sums it up well:

    One of the penalties of an ecological education is that one lives alone in a world of wounds. Much of the damage inflicted on land is quite invisible to laymen. An ecologist must either harden his shell and make believe that the consequences of science are none of his business, or he must be the doctor who sees the marks of death in a community that believes itself well and does not want to be told otherwise.

    It's made me something of a stoic and a Taoist over the years; we'll either clean up our act (How many more warnings like Gore's recent speech do we need before the society awakes?) or we'll go down, and it won't be pretty.  At all.

    We have maybe a decade at most to make MAJOR changes in our society or we'll be committed irreversibly to a global extinction event that will wipe out not only our civilization, but quite likely our species.  

    I sometimes feel guilty for having children, not because of overpopulation (a problem that will be solved, either by us or by nature), but because of the world it increasingly looks like they'll be living in, rife with desertification, famine, war, and disease.  Tidal waves of climate refugees moving from China into Siberia, and from the US into Canada, swamping any border like the barbarians did to Rome.

    Someone said that land is the tool by which oil is converted into food for humans, so as we despoil the land and run out of oil, overpopulation may well be solved the old-fashioned (i.e. Malthusian) way.

    The most hopeful thing I find in current news is the possibility that with Peak Oil, the culture that is driving us over a cliff will either collapse or be forced into a sustainable mode.  I'm reminded of the title of a book published by the Sierra Club many years ago, "Muddling Towards Frugality."  The increasing possibility that solar and wind are coming on line as practical alternatives also excites me and gives me hope.

    Oddly enough, the people that know me do not find me a Cassandra at all - I enjoy life's pleasures like anyone else, and keep the pain of my awareness hidden from my family:  They don't believe me and/or don't want to hear it when I talk about things like methane escaping from Siberian lakes and positive feedback effects...  My secret burden (yes, I know there are others that share it) makes every flower, every glass of wine, every fish in a brook that much more poignant, more miraculous, more achingly beautiful: The beauty of a sunset from the deck of the Titanic.

    If we trash the planet, none of the rest of this matters...

    by Dem in Knoxville on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:26:02 PM PDT

    •  Beautiful. Sad, but beautiful. (n/t) (3+ / 0-)

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    •  It is extraordinarily painful to realize that (4+ / 0-)

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      I am one of the ones most at fault.  I used to peel abalones off the rocks that would have yielded more abalones, that are not there at all, any more.

      I have traveled miles in the appreciation of nature and yet, nature has suffered just because of the miles that I have traveled in its appreciation.

      I love to paddle whitewater, but everytime I do, I go miles and miles in an SUV that gets 14 miles per gallon with kayaks on the top to get to the put-in, where I can begin to enjoy nature.

      You can kill yourself thinking about this stuff.  After awhile you want to stop breathing, because you exude CO2.  

      We just need a better way.  It can happen. Listen to Al Gore.  We can generate electricity safely.  C'mon, we broke the genetic code. We can do this.  But it takes intelligence.

      The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. --Goya

      by MadScientist on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 06:07:06 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, but we need to do it inside as well (1+ / 0-)

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        at the personal level as you point out, and at the level of creating a new culture of fulfillment and enjoyment that doesn't destroy everything around us.  I'm happy to see that your wonderful diary is getting so much attention!  You've really struck a chord in so many of us.  I am trying to change in the ways I mention.  I'm in the process of changing my career and moving to an ecological community.  It's difficult!  I want to eat the rasberries from Chile in February!  But we have to make these changes or as Dem in Knocksville says so well, they'll be made for us.

        "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

        by dhaemeon on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 02:49:07 AM PDT

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    •  Beautifully said (1+ / 0-)

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      Thank you for this addition to the discussion.  It's true that all the degradation we've seen around us requires a sort of release from reality, what you describe as becoming somewhat of a taoist.  I've seen some of my closest friends go under because of it all. I won't let myself do that. We have to remain strong to confront what's going to happen, and we have to raise our children and inspire our students to be prepared to carry on through and beyond it.

      "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

      by dhaemeon on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 02:58:48 AM PDT

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  •  sigh....n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "Wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by UTvoter on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:01:33 PM PDT

  •  Dead Men Walking- Death of the Idea of Progress (5+ / 0-)

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    I think through ignorance and denial  we have actually been in decline since the Vietnam war .  I dont see how the energy footprint of Man can be lowered fast enough now  to make  a difference .    We cannot function without oil .   All the warning signs have been ignored  since Carter's administration .  

    The earth is a finite system  and its ability to absorb abuse by humans is ending .  The degradation of air, land and water is now global.   We are drownding in our waste products .   It is  the last doubling of the bacteria in the jar that finally kills it off.

  •  You were rescued! (2+ / 0-)

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    I am proud to have added that tag to your splendid diary.

    Rescued, and well worth doing so.

    pb

    Good feet giving up good boots. http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/

    by panicbean on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 08:23:44 PM PDT

  •  If you're old enough, and kept your eyes open (6+ / 0-)

    all your life, the contrast between what you saw in your childhood and what you see around you now can be heartrending.

    When I was a kid there were fewer than 200 million Americans. Now there are over 300 million, and I can feel the difference whenever I go out in public. The public isn't any stupider in relative terms, but in absolute terms stupidity certainly brings more attention to itself today (the 30% irredeemably stupid in 1960 numbered 60 million; the 30% irredeemably stupid in 2008 number 90 million). That's enough to comprise a quite satisfying target audience for advertisers or mass base for a political party.

    Certainly It's much harder to find real quiet, or unspoiled and unhemmed nature. I don't see many butterflies or honeybees anymore. Shopping is much less interesting because the chains have taken over, Main Street has been strangled by the Mall, and a mall in Seattle contains the same twelve stores (and same merchandise) as a mall outside Biloxi. There used to be magazines on nearly every subject, with real articles several pages long and fiction by famous writers as well as imaginative pulp hacks (now magazines consist almost entirely of ads for thousand-dollar watches and useless cosmetics). Radio and TV used to feature actual journalists who'd spent years working for big-city newspapers doing investigative reporting or war reporting from the front lines.

    And politics: we used to be offered real choices, and voters were expected to study issues, and one could invoke honor without being laughed at (Welch: "Senator McCarthy, have you no shame?"

    Not all changes have been for the worse, though. We cannot afford to forget that open expression of racist, sexist, and homophobic prejudice is no longer tolerated; it has to behave more circumspectly and constantly look about for new code words.

  •  There is great cause for concern (3+ / 0-)

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    but at the same time one should guard against developing a fetish for pessimism, which is frankly all too common among we who make a point of caring.  It's gratifying to see one's self as The Last, or typifying the zenith of a phenomenon, but it's so rarely true that it's almost not worth even bothering to consider.

    Furthermore, I appreciate traditional notions of the American Dream, but if hope comes at the cost of generational ego, please accept this fact as a gift: Your generation was not what was envisioned by any previous.  They may have believed in progress (and rest assured, we in our 20s do too), but their idea of progress was that you would extrapolate on their values - not that most of what they understood to be American civilization would disintegrate before 1975.  Unless they were open-minded to a fault, something they saw in the '60s had them shaking their heads and genuinely fearing for the future of their children.  

    What my generation lacks in care-free physical spontaneity, rest assured we make up for in ways profound and increasingly bizarre.  We are in constant contact with everyone we remotely know through the internet and wireless networks, living in a web of mutual awareness extending outward to dim horizons in all directions.  The size, depth, vividness, and density of this web deepens at a geometric rate.  

    The overwhelming majority of questions that pop into our heads can be answered instantly, and those that can't can be articulated, discussed, and dissected in places like Daily Kos.  Our daily existence approaches a cyberpunk science fiction cliche, and the weirdness only accelerates.  Even I get a little dizzy thinking about it, and I'm right here in it.

    Freedom is in the fight.

    by Troubadour on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:51:02 PM PDT

  •  beautiful diary (4+ / 0-)

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    J Royce, dhaemeon, FishBiscuit, JG in MD

    well-rescued!

    i'm 57 too, and your diary really melted me.

    i have been fortunate enough to see such natural and human beauty, as well as extreme poverty and ugliness.

    i hate which is winning, but like you, am refusing to totally give up hope.

    we need a miracle, but they do happen, and to be a real miracle, we have to turn this shitstorm surrounding us into gold.

    like your excellently written diary did.

    thanks!

    why? just kos..... *just cause*

    by melo on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:15:42 PM PDT

  •  Your insights are (2+ / 0-)

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    important, and apt.  Thank you for posting them.  Warmest regards, Doc.

    Sometimes I feel like Robert Louis Stevenson created me. -6.25, -6.05

    by Translator on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 11:25:14 PM PDT

  •  It's extraordinary and so hopeful (2+ / 0-)

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    what has happened because of this diary.  We should start a MadScientist's Club!  Here is a recommended reading that speaks very powerfully to the topic here.  I'm not connected to the book or the authors.  The first edition of this book brought about a fundamental change in my outlook that I think is one of the most important things ever to have happened to me.

    "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

    by dhaemeon on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 03:06:59 AM PDT

  •  Good story, needs telling (1+ / 0-)

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    JG in MD

    A similar diary from a couple of days ago http://www.dailykos.com/...
    (Sorry, I don't know how to make the link thing) by back of a knapkin analyst, "Roadtrip Observations".  Things are worse.  Among them, that 50 years ago people figured everything would be getting better in the future.  Not now.

    "Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even God has never seen." -Stilgar

    by HenryBurlingame on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 03:16:11 AM PDT

  •  Our generation (I'm just a little younger than (1+ / 0-)

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    you) is the first to have suffered this fate.  Your son is right that every generation feels things have taken a terrible turn, but you're quite right that this time it's different.  We're the first generation to not reap the same simple rewards our hard-working parents did from the same, or even harder, work.  And certainly the first to see (or recognize) the Earth's peril, having watched local species disappear right in front of our eyes.

    And big points for your excellent description of Marcuse's brilliant but turgid prose.

    Like sloe-eyed beauty, you almost never get a good case of misprision of treason in the newspapers anymore. -- Rock Miller

    by Yasuragi on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 06:18:23 AM PDT

  •  Be careful what you ask for. (1+ / 0-)

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    You say you want a revolution, well, you know, we all want to change the world.

    America is back on the cusp of laissez-faire vs. government-controlled economics.  We always seem to get to this point ideologically, and always the poorer of us will bear the brunt of the eco-paradigm shifts.

    What may break us this time is Peak Oil and Global Warming, especially if the oil companies have the last say, because they, like the American car companies who have been buying up and sitting on alternative technologies for years, want to pump the last drop of oil out of the earth to satisfy their insatiable greed before allowing America to solve its energy crisis, and we are being told today that most Americans want to see new offshore drilling.

    The problem is that we can't get a new dialectic going for an American economy.  Clearly we can't go back to bigger government, and we can no longer let corporate fascism have its way.  Both of these socio-political isms will keep the body politic from solving its problems.

    All this stuff has been out there for decades, and the American public keeps running back to old paradigms.  This is the danger for Dems and Obama, because the Dems just can't raise taxes to solve problems, just as the Repugs cannot spend taxes to fill their own pockets.  Obama, running as the Change candidate, has set us all up to expect solutions, but solutions need a new dialectic, and I don't see one here.

    So, in the spirit of the diarist's article, I'll only say to beware of the Dead Cat Bounce, a phrase used in the stock market in which everyone looks to find the bottom and, when there is general consensus, a large majority jumps back in, only to find the original problems have not been solved and the disaster isn't going away, and the stock just dies after that for a long period.  A whimper.  Ugh.

  •  You have hope. (0+ / 0-)

    It sneaks out in your later comments.

    I hit a lot of these tags myself today as I traveled home today from a wedding.

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