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There falls yet another myth about the problems Obama will supposedly have among a particular sector of the population: according to a poll by a pro-Israel group, Obama is not only popular among Jews, he's far more popular than Lieberman, McCain or George Bush:

Among the most high-profile Jews in Congress, Lieberman is viewed far more unfavorably than the presumptive Democratic nominee, according to a new poll. Only 37 percent of Jews view the Connecticut Independent in a favorable light compared to 48 percent who have a negative perception. As for Obama, 60 percent of Jews view him favorably while 34 percent view him unfavorably.

Lieberman does score better among the 900 Jewish voters polled than other major political and religious figures. President Bush is viewed unfavorably by 74 percent of Jews, compared to 22 percent who see him in a positive light. McCain, meanwhile, is viewed favorably by just 34 percent of Jews, while 57 said they had a negative perception. On the lowest end of the spectrum stood Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who was viewed favorably by just five percent of Jews and unfavorably by 68 percent.

It says a lot about the Jewish community that they can seperate Obama from his former pastor. Thank God, considering how badly Wright polls.

Now, as would be expected, considering the tendency of Jews to vote Democratic, Obama is polling well against McCain - 62-32 -  but that's below the levels that Kerry an Gore polled. However there is room in the polls for Obama to grow his lead. According to analysis of the poll by Spencer Ackerman in Washington Independent:

"Seventy-four percent of us view Bush unfavorably and 83 percent of us disapprove of his job performance," Ackerman wrote. "While 76 percent of the country as a whole says the U.S. is on the wrong track, an astonishing 90 percent of American Jews say the same. Only 21 percent of us approve of the Iraq war and only 29 percent think Bush is good for Israel, and those are clearly the shmucks that kissed ass in Hebrew school and snitched when the rest of us used the synagogue phone booth and cloakroom to make out."

It will be interesting to see if these numbers change after Obama's trip to Israel this week.

Originally posted to John Campanelli on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:37 AM PDT.

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  •  Lieberman darf mir kushn in tuches. eom (9+ / 0-)

    "La casa del tirano tiene hoy una visita, dolorosa y dormida como una luna eterna" - PN

    by juancito on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:43:13 AM PDT

  •  Donate to J-Street (7+ / 0-)

    Help J-Street counter Lieberman and AIPAC.
    http://www.jstreet.org/

  •  LOL (2+ / 0-)
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    highacidity, sunbro

    Why are they even POLLING Wright's favorables?? What on Earth is the man running for??

    Still, this is awesome pushback on the Obama "Jewish Problem" myth.

    Not to be corny but...the future of our nation is at stake. We. Have. To. Win. (F*ck Purity Trolls!)

    by jenontheshore on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:45:04 AM PDT

  •  You hear THAT, Joe Lieberman?? (4+ / 0-)

    More Jewish people like Barack Obama than YOU.

    Maybe you, Joe, just love war more than anyone can understand.

    RESIGN, JOE!!!!!  Take some Ecstasy and Go to NeoCon land, somewhere in Fricken' outer space, idiot!!!

    Hey Joe, what happened to being "welcomed as liberators"??

    -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

    by sunbro on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:45:32 AM PDT

  •  Jews tend to be Democrats (3+ / 0-)

    It's analogous to asking African-Americans who they view more favorably: Alan Keyes or Al Gore?

    •  Yes, but the degree to which Lieberman (11+ / 0-)

      has fallen out of favor among Jews is astonishing: 37% favorable/48% negative. You could say it has to do with Lieberman now being an Independent, but that's hogwash. I'm sure Bloomberg, who has been either a Republican or an Independent while in elective office, has far better numbers than that.

      I think, in the end, it comes down to the Iraq War. His position on the war sucks and, while Jews may be greatly concerned about Israel - and this poll is from a pro-Israel group - I suspect that, unlike Lieberman, most Jews do not believe the Iraq War has helped the security of Israel, let alone the United States.

      I live in my own little world...but it's okay. They know me here.

      by John Campanelli on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:07:03 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Bloomberg is highly respected (6+ / 0-)

        in the Jewish community not just as a Jew, but as a skilled manager and a technocrat.

        For Jews who are Democrats, the clear majority, Lieberman is seen as a traitor and opportunist.

        Or, I am Jewish.  I am a liberal Democrat.  I generally have a positive view of Bloomberg and a negative on of Lieberman.  And frankly, even if Bloomberg had stayed a Republican, I'd still have a more positive view of Bloomberg than Lieberman.

        WARNING: There is a high probability that the preceding comment is snark. Use your best judgment (hopefully better than Senator McCain's).

        by Anarchofascist on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:12:17 AM PDT

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        •  Bloomberg was a Democrat (2+ / 0-)
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          highacidity, dmsarad

          until 5 minutes before he ran for mayor (okay, just a slight exaggeration - it was a couple of months).  He's actually quite liberal.  Lieberman has sold his soul to the pukes and will never have the standing in the Jewish community that he enjoyed as our VP pick.

  •  Holy Moses! (2+ / 0-)
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    Overseas, luckylizard

    I figured Obama had a serious problem with Jews, what with the right-wing trying to scare people with Iran and Hamas, and continually throwing out the name "Farrakhan". Either people are smarter than I thought, or Lieberman has his own image problem.

    •  Obama has worked the Jewish vote hard (1+ / 0-)
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      State Department

      taking strong positions in support of Israel, signing up prominent Jewish advisers, and holding meetings with local and national Jewish groups.

      I can't remember if it came through an email or I saw it on mybarackobama.com, but I distinctly remember considering attending a meeting with Tony Lake in the Boston-area to discuss Obama's views on Israel.  (Couldn't make it because of a work conflict.)

      •  "Signing up prominent Jewish advisors"? (1+ / 0-)
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        farbuska

        You make it seem like it's a scheme to get Jewish votes.

        I don't think Penny Pritzker and David Axelrod are at the forefront of his team in an attempt to pander to Jews.

        WARNING: There is a high probability that the preceding comment is snark. Use your best judgment (hopefully better than Senator McCain's).

        by Anarchofascist on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:50:11 AM PDT

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        •  I'm saying it's smart politics (2+ / 0-)
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          State Department, farbuska

          Look, as you probably know, I don't like his policy positions on Israel, and I do think some of that positioning is politically motivated.

          However, I'm extremely impressed at his political ability to allay the fears of an important voting bloc and win their votes.

          I want Obama to be president.  Reaching out to Jews is one thing he has to do for that to happen.  Reaching out to Hispanics, to white women, to working class whites, are other things he has to do.

          He's doing what he has to do, and he's doing it well.  That was my point.

        •  Pollitician=Panderer. Period. (1+ / 0-)
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          dmsarad

          Always ask yourself: WWDD

          by karesse on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:58:20 AM PDT

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  •  I hope Obama manages to get (3+ / 0-)
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    Overseas, luckylizard, farbuska

    meetings with more than just Olmert.

    I'm hoping he can get a handshake in with Barak and Livni.

    At this point, no one respects Olmert for anything other than his ability to cling to power in the face of massive policy and ethical failures due to incredibly cunning political maneuvering.

    Hell, I wouldn't mind if they forced Bibi into a photo-op, just to prove that everyone in Israel is forced to prepare for a potential Obama presidency.

    WARNING: There is a high probability that the preceding comment is snark. Use your best judgment (hopefully better than Senator McCain's).

    by Anarchofascist on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:00:31 AM PDT

  •  Check Out Daily Show 7/21 (2+ / 0-)

    Pretty good group interview about Obama with Jewish seniors in Boca Raton.  Check out Arty in particular.

    "Proud to be part of DailyKos -- the Best Political Team on . . . well, ANYWHERE"

    by Alden on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:06:05 AM PDT

    •  It was really sort of a misplaced take (6+ / 0-)

      on Jewish racism, in my view.

      Yes, Jewish racism/ethnocentrism exists.  But the suggestion that schvartze are somehow, well, lower on the totem poll than waspy goyim is a misplaced assumption.  We voted for the white trash, we voted for the privileged WASP, we voted for the Irish Catholic.  The Arabic middle name is going to scare Jews from the self made Christian black man?  Give me a break.

      To be honest, a black man who gets through Harvard Law is probably MORE respected than a white Protestant who does the same.

      WARNING: There is a high probability that the preceding comment is snark. Use your best judgment (hopefully better than Senator McCain's).

      by Anarchofascist on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:23:53 AM PDT

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      •  Art was the sanest one there (1+ / 0-)
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        Alden

        and even within the humor of the piece you could see people struggling with their racial prejudices and still willing to vote for the black guy.

      •  I meant good in the sense of amusing (1+ / 0-)
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        litho

        ...in the usual TDS way.  Naturally there are going to be absurdities and distortions in the piece, since that's what TDS does.  I certainly wouldn't draw any conclusions about Jewish consensus from it.  I think of these bits as found-object art or found-object humor, only with found people.  And even then I don't assume it shows the true person.  What I liked about Arty was that even though he didn't seem to know the show, he nailed what was going on.

        "Proud to be part of DailyKos -- the Best Political Team on . . . well, ANYWHERE"

        by Alden on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 06:10:00 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I'm Jewish. I could have told you that. (8+ / 0-)

    eom

    PUMA... Pimples Under My Ass

    by OReillysNightmare on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:09:55 AM PDT

  •  What? Are we meshuggene? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Reino, hoplite9

    I was a Republican until they lost their minds, The word 'conservative' means 'discriminatory,' ... It's a form of political discrimination. --- Charles Barkley

    by Kimball Cross on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:55:02 AM PDT

  •  What kind of Jewish name (3+ / 0-)

    is Campanelli?

    Abolish the Homeland Scrutiny Department.

    by hoplite9 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:02:30 AM PDT

  •  Joe is the Rabbi Baruch Scharf of Bush (1+ / 0-)
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    Stranded Wind

    I believe that he was the guy who supported Nixon throughout the impeachment.  I think that was his name.  as the impeachment procedures rolled on, he became increasingly irrelevant.  that will be Joe's fate.

  •  Shalom (2+ / 0-)
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    rosabw, dmsarad

    Obama: "I want to end the mindset that got us into war in the first place."

    McCain: "I know how to win wars."

    Most Jewish people I know like to get to the root of issues, and then alter it from the foundation. For example, the mindset that got us into the war in the first place is likely to be something that many Jewish (and non Jewish) thinkers contemplated.

    Religious Jewish people read a segment of the Torah each morning that leaves an open-ended question as to why Abe and Issaac had such intense blind faith, enough to find a dad about ready to slaughter his first born. People think about this stuff with all kind of positions based on the text. A lot of folks I know think that this section of the reading is more about what we must give in order to get ... In that light, we must look into the mindset of these two Israelites.

    On the other hand, any Biblical character who comes out with the bravado of knowing how to win a war is either delusional, blasphemous, or filled with some kind of disease. In the case of McCain, I think it is senility and, though I can't be certain, I am sure there is something in the Torah about the old and aging.

    •  King David? (0+ / 0-)

      Seems like he had that kind of bravado...

      •  Not quite... (0+ / 0-)

        David was an accomplished warrior and general but his faith was never in himself; it was always in God. Even at his most braggadocious moment when he took on Goliath in 1Sam 17, his expectation of victory is only because by faith he knew that the battle was the Lord's and not his own and his faith to face the giant is juxtaposed against King Saul, who was made king because he stood head and shoulders above all Israel (see 1Sam 9:2) and was valiant in battle as long as he was the biggest one... and as usual, someone bigger and badder than he came along (Goliath) and Saul was too afraid to fight him.

      •  King David and John McCain (0+ / 0-)

        One is supposed to be in the know because of a higher knowledge, the other knows how to win wars because he is a vet; huge difference. McCain knowing how to win wars because of his service in the armed forces his, well ... insane. I know many people who've served in the armed forces and can't find their way out of a paper bag or a game of chess. I know many religious people who read about David and learn what NOT to do. We should approach McCain in a similar way; don't vote for him if we want to get out of a senseless war.

  •  And somewhere Robert Wexler says... (0+ / 0-)

    "Told Ya!"

    "Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well. " Barack Obama:A More Perfect Union

    by WeBetterWinThisTime on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 05:32:41 AM PDT

  •  I don't buy all of these numbers (0+ / 0-)

    I tried to ask JStreet where their names came from, but they would only respond by saying "read the poll".  So I did.  And, it appears that they have twice as many people identifying themselves in the poll as "Reform" than in the last general Jewish population survey.  The people identifying themselves as "Orthodox" was exactly the same as in the general survey.

    Therefore, this survey appears to have been skewed to the left.

    Most people that are here, myself included even though I identify as Orthodox, don't like Sen. Lieberman.  Most Jews in the general population do.

  •  comments about Jewish voters (0+ / 0-)

    have nothing to do with what Jewish voters think.  They're just part of the larger effort to make sure that the mainstream in this country is labeled extreme or leftist or liberal or whatever.  Even on NPR interviews you hear this jibberish about Obama having problems with Jewish voters and having to prove he's pro-Israel and other nonsense.

    It shouldn't be news that Jewish voters support the presumptive Democratic nominee for president or that Jewish voters think many of Lieberman's policy positions are too far rightist or that Jewish voters disapprove of Bush and McCain even more.

    It is kind of ironic though that Obama could probably be spared some of this press if he hadn't gotten involved in the Connecticut primary in the first place supporting Lieberman.

  •  You THINK??? (0+ / 0-)

    DUH!!!  We're DEMOCRATS, by and large, after all!!!

    Pragmatic progressivism is the future.

    by Pragmaticus on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 06:08:03 AM PDT

  •  Here's my thoughts (0+ / 0-)

    I am not surprised that Obama polls better among Jews than Lieberman.  Speaking in gross generalities, American Jews tend to be progressive when it comes to social issues and many are uncomfortable, if not baffled, by Lieberman's choices in the last 5 years.

    However, the numbers you cite are cause for concern, not celebration.  Lets look at the Democrats who have won since FDR.  Roosevelt got 82%, 85%, 90% and 90%.  Truman got 75% in a 3 person race while running against a NYer.  JFK got 82% and LBJ got 90%.  Carter got 71%, Clinton got 80% followed by 78%.

    Now lets look at the Ds who have lost.  Stevenson got 64%, Humphrey is a big outlier with 81%, McGovern got 65%, Carter lost re-election after getting a modern low for a Dem, 45%, Mondale got 67%, Dukakis 64%, and then Gore 79& and Kerry 76%.

    When you look at these numbers, you see that Dem candidates don't stand a chance when their numbers among Jews are less than 70%.  Likewise, Dem candidates don't lose when they get above 80% of the Jewish vote.  The 70%-80% is a mixed bag.

    This is what Obama has to do in order to increase his standing among Jewish voters.  I say this based upon my years working in the Jewish community.  Many people won't agree with this, but, in my humble opinion, this reflects the reality of the "Jewish vote."

    1.  Allay fears about how Obama will handle Israel.  Don't gop the way of Carter.  Guys like my father-in-law (retiree who spends 6 months in Florida) won't vote for Obama unless he knows he will eb a friend of Israel.
    1. distance himself from anti-semites.  As the article mentions, Obama needs to strongly condemn guys like Farrakhan.  I think he has done a good enough job here.  Another speech about the dangers of all prejudice.  Maybe a major address in Brooklyn addressing Black/Jewish relations.  I have always thought this is essential because Black and Jewish voters make up a strong core of the Democratic Party, and part of the Republican strategy has always been to turn these groups against each other.
    1. Separation of church and state - Obama has done a poor job here.  His faith based intitiative is not percieved well outside the orthodox Jewish community.  Obama has to do much better on issues like this and school vouchers.
    1. Typical liberal issues - Here, Obama obviously does well, except death penalty and gun cotnrol (but no Prez. candidate is ever good on these issues.)

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