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Massive ad Buy From GOP Vets Group

Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 04:43:30 PM PDT

Politico reports there is more life left in this race.  This is a comparatively bright opening salvo.  These Iraq surge success and stay the course ads need a response for the MSM that will report these initial 527 policy ads considerably more than they will later - any bright ideas? Or should we just concede the surge is a success we should continue to build on for 100 soon peaceful years in Iraq?  Bush had less of a case for success in Iraq in 2004 I suspect so don't take this argument for granted please.  Should we really contest the Iraq surge success most or ask where we go from here?

In case you feel the current at most 6 point lead for Obama is one we can count on for half a year remember there are downstream races that depend on winning every round we can on the top end of this ticket.  Obama has huge coattails. But only if continues to win the fundamental arguments on policy.

Ads in the can for the GOP 527's are some of the grimmest imagery on crime.  These future ads will be impossible to respond intelligibly to since they strike at irrational prejudice and use barely disguised racial appeals.  If these policy debates fail then McCain backing 527's are ready to slime things up.

From Politico

Next week, Vets for Freedom — a 20,000-member, nonpartisan organization established by combat veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — plans to begin spending more than $1 million on a TV campaign that will include Ohio, Virginia and New Mexico.

The group plans to spend millions more and to add other states to the roster over the next four months.
The ad, the largest independent expenditure on a national-security theme in the general election so far, features a number of vets speaking about the success of the surge and the need to finish the job.

The buy is part of what the group is calling the "Four Months, For Victory" media and grass-roots campaign that focuses on a dozen key swing states: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.

Here are excerpts of the advisory Vets for Freedom will be sending the media:

"WHO/WHAT: On July 9, Vets for Freedom will hold a press conference featuring over a dozen Iraq war veterans to launch a national "Four Months, For Victory" media and grass-roots campaign. The effort will culminate on Veterans Day (November 11) and is intended to inform the American public and key lawmakers about the phenomenal success that our troops have achieved as a result of the surge and the importance of ensuring victory in Iraq, Afghanistan and the overall Global war on Terrorism.

As for the flip flop meme the GOP continues to wax on about -- it is not working at this date.  But if we fail to mention McCain's flip flops and simultaneously admit our Obama has sadly always been an embarrassing moderate on many social issues, not known to ever have advocated self immolation to support PETA for instance, then the charge might start to stick.
Do voters believe the two presumed presidential nominees are willing to stick to their principles regardless of the political consequences? Not exactly.
CNN

Sixty-one percent of voters polled said McCain has changed his mind for political reasons; 37 percent said he has not. Fifty-nine percent of those polled said Obama also shifts positions with the political winds; 38 percent said he does not.

That's a change from 2004, Holland said.

"One of the reasons President Bush won re-election in 2004 was that only one-third of voters believed he would change his policy positions because of changing political dynamics. Most voters, on the other hand, believed that John Kerry was a flip-flopper."

As the general election continues to heat up, charges of flip-flopping and political opportunism are becoming more regular on the campaign trail.

On Tuesday, while en route to Colombia, McCain argued, "I don't switch my position depending on what audience or what time it is in the electoral calendar.... I believe that [voters] will more and more see where Sen. Obama has switched his positions on fundamental issues. The one thing they want is trust and confidence in their leadership, and I think I will win in that area."

Campaigning Thursday in North Dakota, Obama replied by saying that McCain "is a person who opposed Bush's tax cuts before he was for them, who opposed drilling in the continental shelf before he was for [it]. [McCain] has reversed himself on a range of very substantive issues during the course of this campaign, and so I'd be happy to have a debate about consistency with John McCain."

According to Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst , the flip-flopping charge may not resonate as much with voters this year as it did in the past.

"So what if voters think both candidates are flip-floppers?" asked Schneider. "After eight years of George W. Bush, voters may welcome some pragmatism and flexibility in their leaders. Times change."

The real weak spot Obama has in voters minds is experience.  Only 48% of respondents in the above CNN poll thought  Obama experienced enough to be President.  That has to continue moving up or we will probably have a nasty surprise in November - if not more than a tight race.

Be sure your apolitical and independent minded acquaintances know Obama had more national experience than Bill Clinton and more than Abraham Lincoln and more than Ronald Reagan when they became President.  Be sure to remind them that he had more state government experience than two of those President's.  And that he has not exactly been a back bencher.  Obama's 800 laws sponsored and his herculean legislative feats in many occasions is an underappreciated fact.

Tags: Barack Obama, John McCain, Iraq War, Surge, 527, Vets for Freedom, 2008 (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  strange this would culminate after election day!! (2+ / 0-)

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    Does anyone else find that a bit disconcerting?

    "hold on to dreams for when dreams die life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly" e. dickinson

    by kansasgal on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 05:13:59 PM PDT

    •  I was thinking the same thing. (1+ / 0-)

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      At least VoteVets outnumbers them by almost 5 times. And VoteVets already has a proven track record.

      Though there will be plenty of people harping the "Surge Success" meme, I think the uptick in violence in both Iraq and Afghanistan will be pretty damning evidence that perhaps shoving more troops into the mill wasn't the best policy.

      Aggie Liberal--Bleed Maroon--Act Blue!

      by Underwater Archaeologist on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 05:18:50 PM PDT

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  •  This is why he needed to reject (2+ / 0-)

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    public financing.  Dems operate with one hand tied behind their backs when they have to compete against these right-wing slime machine.

  •  a) the surge working is a myth & b) 6 point lead (1+ / 0-)

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    is not nearly anything to celebrate, and it is far from enough. Kerry, Gore and Dukakis were all ahead by as many or more points this time during their respective races! We cannot, and must not rest on our laurels. The MSM will continue to be in cahoots with the Rethugs, and we have to do our best to force coverage and shape the narrative. The surge bringing about peace relative to other extremely tumultuous times, does not in itself justify the continued occupation, nor does it suggest that there is peace, nor that Iraq is stable or even approaching stability.

    McCain't give a damn and won't even try!

    by karanja on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 05:48:18 PM PDT

  •  wasn't it just last week that the politico (0+ / 0-)

    and the wapo (the ever truthful howie kurtz in fact) reported that there wasn't any republican 527 action coming?  That the groups weren't there?  

    yah right...

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 05:55:47 PM PDT

    •  The politico is lobbyists publication (0+ / 0-)

      That's not an exageration - their mission is to deliver news to K street.  They have an axe to grind this year as surely as does the Wall street Journal.  But they do have a lot of  hard news first as their intended clients have some outrageously goood sources themselves.

      The Post has the bigger influential following. But it seems to pride itself on coming down hard for moderate mavericks.  McCain would be a nightmare of right wing exdcess in office. he doesn't have the vitality or likely the motivation to reign in people like Gramm.  

      "Obama. He's redefining what a politician is... take the best from the past, leave the worst back there and go forward into the future " Bob Dylan

      by SmithsLastWord on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 06:13:11 PM PDT

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  •  Most Americans want us out of Iraq (0+ / 0-)

    regardless of whether "The Surge" has improved conditions on the ground.    

    Any ads that point out the fact that Obama wants to get U.S. soldiers, Marines and Airmen out out of Iraq are helpful to Obama, no matter what ridiculous language about "victory" or "defeat" they use.  

  •  The surge isn't working.... (0+ / 0-)

    it's just that the MSM doesn't report anything. If you look at icasualties.com, everyday there are reports of shooting and IEDs and... well the list goes on. There is a lot of unrest in Anbar which is looking to have control turned over to the Iraqis maybe as soon as this week.

    I think the dems need to counter with an ad of their own and I know they can do it because there are a lot of vets who say we should get out of Iraq.

    Just my two cents worth...

  •  This is part of a larger shift that I've seen in (0+ / 0-)

    the media. Since the beginning of June, all of sudden, the surge has become a "success". Although March and April were pretty violent months in Iraq (from what I could recall), they focused on May's relative small number of deaths. All across the media Iraq has suddenly become a "success". Look for that to happen as the entire media whores out for McCain as we get closer toward November.

    •  I think that if you look more closely, some of (1+ / 0-)

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      decrease in violence is because Al-Sadir has told his Shite militias to lay low and wait for the American presence to decrease.  He will not take the US head on, but he knows that he has time on his side because the US cannot afford to stay there forever.  When the US begins to draw down, the Shite militias will begin to re-assert themselves and the level of violence will begin all over again as the Shite/Sunni struggle for control of Iraq begins all over again.  

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 09:53:15 PM PDT

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