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Conservatives have long had offshore drilling in their sights.  They consider it one of their many fronts in the war against liberals and their envrionmental wackos.  Apparently liberals care more about elk than humans we are told.  

The reason they're pushing for offshore drilling now is because of FISA.  They know they can go around spouting complete lies on these issues and the congressional democrats will still capitulate every single time.  If the Dems gave in on FSA, what else will they give in on?  Make no mistake; there will be more of these before November.

It's depressing to see how clueless congressional democrats are on this.  This is not what we voted for in 2006.  One blogger, I don't remember who, said it seems clear now that we have completely lost control of our government.  I think that sums things up nicely.  

Update:  are the reports that Obama might support offshore drilling for real?

Originally posted to james richardson on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 02:18 AM PDT.

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  •  he may...unless you do something (4+ / 0-)

    email Austan Goolsbee, Obama's top economic adviser, and tell Obama to take Krugman's recent advice and BACK OFF offshore drilling.

    if he goes any further, this will be a complete flip flop, and he will end up completely legitimizing the idea that McCain is right on the economy, which is the one thing he cant be right on for him to win this election.

    i will still support him, but he's really ceding his ground

    •  I have an idea (0+ / 0-)

        Lets fuck over ourselves again by going after Obama, like we did on FISA.Yesterday we had a group of nuts try to ram Clark(not that I dont think he would be a good choice) down Obamas throat.Olberman who let his bitch Milbank slide,brought the drilling thing up last night with a look on his face like he was accusing Barack of murder.It seems to me that wrtiting notes to Barack's adviser asking him to pass on Krugmans,of all people, advice to Obama seems like a bad idea.I did agree with Krugman when he said Barack shouldnt just let these attacks slide as if the people are too smart to fall for them.

      •  ok, i gave him a pass on FISA (0+ / 0-)

        frankly, people have the right to disagree and tell the candidate. who says people arent going to support him. im just thinking its a stupid idea because it completely legitimizes the "mccain's right on the economy" line. jesus christ, dont overreact.

  •  They want to lose (1+ / 0-)
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    They want the issue.  

    The age of journalism as the fourth estate has passed. We blog to survive.

    by enough on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 02:31:54 AM PDT

  •  you're right (2+ / 0-)
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    Eikyu Saha, brentmack

    Bush smells weakness, and he's pushing the Democratic Congress, Obama included, to see what else he can get out of them.

    You're right about how we've lost something very important: our sense that the government is responsive to our needs and problems. Instead, they're playing kindergarten games of chicken, seeing who can be forced into making a mistake first.

    •  How can Bush lift the ban first? (0+ / 0-)

      Is he saying he will sign it if Congress lifts the ban? It has been reported by every outlet that he lifted the ban.  He first stated he would lift the ban if Congress lifted it first.. Chicken/egg question here.  

  •  FISA Dems. at it again! (1+ / 0-)
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    Barack has said that he would support the drilling of the numerous ALREADY CONTRACTED areas the U.S. has that haven't been tapped. AND only if it meant huge funding for alternative energy sources.

    You may not be a concern troll...but you are playing one in this diary.

    I know you are pissed at the Repubs., but a majority of Americans are leaning towards drilling and so there has to be a compromise.

    Dems. can't do anything or reverse anything unless we get enough of 'em in there to be able to do it,

    •  Disagree. (4+ / 0-)

      " favor of drilling"? Where does that stat come from? And why would that be? I assert that that stat is eiher propaganda, or the result of the usual R propaganda. So the correct thing to do is to tell the truth about it and stick to Obama's economic plan... NOT 'compromise', which is really buckling, 'proving he's weak'.

    •  First Of All (0+ / 0-)

      A majority (that DOES NOT include me) does favor off-shore drilling.  I live in Florida, so we have to think about this kind of issue.  But if you're in flyover country, it's pretty much a no-brainer, unfortunately.

      To me, a compromise in this issue isn't the end of the world - as long as we get a major commitment to renewable sources as Al Gore and/or T. Boone Pickens propose.

      But I saw a group of 10 senators yesterday promoting a plan that at first glance seemed very anemic with little or nothing to get excited about.  It seemed like a composite of small-minded ideas.

  •  Drilling deeper into this: (2+ / 0-)
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    brentmack, Quicksilver2723

    The offshore drilling is just greed for the money to be gained from the government subsidies and high oil prices. Why now? = shock doctrine.

    As for the Dems, they care more about power than the Constitution at this point. It's why the 'gang of four' didn't blow the whistle when they were let in on the dirty, unconstitutional secrets. Unless it's true that they're being threatened with bodily harm, in which case they're cowards.

  •  Follow Closely.... (2+ / 0-)
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    gramofsam1, HelenBack

    Pelosi and Reid won't bring the issue to the floor because they know they will lose. Why? Because a majority of the Congressmen will vote 'Yea'. Why will a majority of Congressmen vote 'Yea'? Because a majority of their constituency is telling them to.

    Did you really say "compromise" was a "weakness"? WOW.

    You extreme lefties can sound just as scary as the extreme righties.  

  •  Steny Hoyer looked pretty serious too... (1+ / 0-)
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    ..a few weeks ago when appearing with Pelosi and other House Dem leadership.  Hard to imagine repubs getting around that powerhouse.

    It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. Alfred Adler

    by Quicksilver2723 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 04:19:03 AM PDT

  •  hard to prove not doing something is correct (0+ / 0-)

    Iraq, FISA, Surge, Drill......

    In all instances Republicans sell by fear the need to react now and Dems are put in a position of looking as they are unpatriotic or soft on terroism.

    Hannity, Limbaugh, and the rest of the paid Republican mouthpieces constantly repeat their sound bites.  The Democrats have no such avenue. If MSNBC were spouting the lies of what offshore drilling really is as to the price of oil, then there would be another side.  Hannity has Fox AND the radio to constantly throw out the Republican talking points and he repeats it so many times with no one to question that the lies are believed.

    The connection between Fox and the Republicans have been the downfall of honest debate.  The Republicans had six years control of everything and did not mention lifting the offshore ban on new leases until the end of their run.

    I do think Barack is correct and saying something can be worked out as he knows how much time it will take and it will take the only item in the GOP bag away from them until November.

  •  If you think this is a change in position... (3+ / 0-)
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    jalenth, busrider, HelenBack

    by Barack Obama, you have not been listening to Barack Obama for the past 2 years.  He has said many times that while he leans progressive...he would not govern from a progressive partisan POV...he would seek to bring Republicans and Democrats together to get what he believes is good overall compromise policy for the country.

    The drilling (limited) that is being proposed is part of an energy policy bill that will have many good pieces that are needed.  In addition, he is supporting legislation that is getting the oil companies to pay for the expansion of renewable energy.  In order to get it passed in a bi-partisan manner some additional drilling will be needed.

    That is the way Barack will be engaging congress and the American people as the is called leadership and bravery...and I am proud of him!!!

    Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 05:14:05 AM PDT

    •  The other issue, I think, is that he has to deal (0+ / 0-)

      with the bush dogs in his own party. Just like FISA, there is a core of conservative democrats who seem to be obsessed with following republican initiatives before the election. They forced the vote on FISA and they are forcing action on the overseas drilling. Obama has some real issues in that he is not in control of the democratic party (no one is IMO)and he if being forced to accommodate this faction.

      He is able to do it for the reasons you state above--it is not incompatible with his values. I read his full statement and it was the same carefully-reasoned, nuanced, practical approach that he has always shown.

      But I would bet $1000.00 that he didn't plan on doing it.

      We need to constantly remember that we DO have a third-party in american politics--the bush dog dems.

      Let the word go forth from this time and place...that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--Obama '08

      by Azdak on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 05:30:33 AM PDT

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      •  Again...this is nothing like FISA... (0+ / 0-)

        FISA was pushed by the Republican leadership as well as GWB...this was negotiated outside of the Republican leadership and both the Democratic and Republican leadership is not happy about that and they do not like the fact that these 10 senators went outside the process to get this done.

        Indeed, I think that GWB will veto any legislation that is proposed by this group because he would never accept any tax increases on his oil buddies.

        This was negotiated with Democrats and Republicans as equals and is currently a balanced piece of legislation.  In order to get it enacted it will need to be able to pass by a 2/3's majority for GWB veto...

        Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

        by dvogel001 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 06:46:41 AM PDT

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        •  Everything that I read said that the FISA vote... (0+ / 0-)

          was demanded by the bush dogs. The repubs had been pushing it all year--the Dem leadership had tabled the vote, but the bush dogs said they couldn't go into the election without a new FISA law. Otherwise, there was no reason to bring it to a vote before the 2008 election--most Americans didn't care and the majority of the Democratic party didn't want it.

          Let the word go forth from this time and place...that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--Obama '08

          by Azdak on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:40:12 AM PDT

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          •  That is right... (0+ / 0-)

            but this legislation was not demanded by the blue dogs (I do not agree with the word Bush Dogs)indeed GWB is not in the loop on this legislation at all.

            Judging by your prove my point...this is a good compromise...the Left and Right wings will be pissed and the majority in the middle will be happy...

            Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

            by dvogel001 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 08:23:42 AM PDT

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    •  You're right, (0+ / 0-)

      I haven't been watching Obama the past two years, because I have a life.  But you'll notice I didn't say he was changing his position, I simply asked a question, hoping people more informed than I am, like yourself, will answer it.

    •  Well, the devil's in the detail... (0+ / 0-)

      ... and when Senator Landrieau's in the details of energy policy, I keep my hand on my wallet. There's something that doesn't smell right here, and while that may be from where I sit (in Florida), yo ushould be concerned, too.

  •  The reason for the push for offshore (1+ / 0-)
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    drilling is the same one that drove this administration to lease as many acres as they could to big oil.  Time is running out.  It will end when Bush leaves office.

    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 05:20:38 AM PDT

  •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

    They're for real.

    And it's not just FISA, caving to pressure is what congressional Democrats do best.  Many of them are just totally spineless.

    A proud member of the "far left."

    by Paleo on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 05:25:36 AM PDT

  •  Offshore drilling (0+ / 0-)

    Right now, the price of oil is so high that it triggeers a l;arger share to provider nations. Oil removed from the USA, however, isn't covered by contracts with the same provisions.

    They want oil from the USA because they are subsidized by the government, not charged.

    "I'm not opposed to all wars; I'm opposed to dumb wars." -- Obama in 2002

    by Frank Palmer on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:49:47 AM PDT

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