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Nate Silver Offers Cautionary Tale in LA Times

Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:44:18 AM PDT

In an op-ed piece in today's LA Times, Nate Silver, as usual, offers a trenchant analysis of the current political lay of the land.  His analysis is reassuring in the face of tightening national horse race polls, but it also offers a cautionary tale about the future course of the Obama campaign.

Silver offers a persuasive argument as to why Obama is not establishing a double digit lead despite the generic Dem party ID lead of roughly that margin.  According to Silver, the Dems start w/ a structural disadvantage in that, since 1976, while GOP nominees have been supported by 87% of self-identified Goopers, our nominees have only been supported by 80% of self-described Dems.  Siver also addresses McCain's ability, thus far, to define himself as a "moderate."

In the money quote of the piece, Silver states:

But neither McCain nor Obama can be considered a generic candidate, because both enjoy strong appeal among independent voters. This is particularly the case for McCain, who has largely managed to avoid the stigma attached to the tarnished Republican brand. In a recent poll conducted for NBC News and the Wall Street Journal, only 31% of voters had a favorable view of the Republican Party, compared with 48% who held a negative one. But McCain's numbers were nearly the reverse: 42% viewed him positively, against 30% unfavorably.

How has McCain done it? It has mostly to do with his reputation as a moderate. In that same NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, only 21% of voters said they viewed McCain as "very conservative," while 34% pegged him as a moderate. As long as he maintains his moderate brand, McCain will seem acceptable to some large number of independent voters and some smaller number of Democrats.

This excerpt summarizes the one major flaw in the Obama campaign to date.  We all respect the amazing job that Team Obama has done to get a largely unknown junior senator to this point. Lately, however, there has been an inability to get the campaign to the next level.  In particular, there really has been little attempt to impose some truth in advertising on the McCain candidacy.

As an above-the-fold story on the FP of today's NYT notes, the housing bubble's deflation still has a ways to go.  As Krugman notes on the op-ed page, the ongoing economic crisis cannot be expected to ease any time soon.  Less than 1 month ago, however, McCain's (then) top economic adviser stated in an on the record interiew that the problem is all in our heads:

"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," he said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. "We may have a recession; we haven't had one yet."

"We have sort of become a nation of whiners," he said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline" despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy, he said.

"We've never been more dominant; we've never had more natural advantages than we have today," he said. "We have benefited greatly" from the globalization of the economy in the last 30 years

There is enough political gold in those 3 paragraphs to last James Carville to election day.  If a top adviser to Obama on any issue made similarly damaging comments, Team McCain's ads highlighting those comments would be more ubiquitous than Viagra promos.  Millions of Americans are struggling to keep their homes, and Phil Gramm says that they're "whiners?"  Forget Carville--Shrum would be able to make massive amounts of political hay from those comments.

I am unaware of a single ad that Team Obama has cut highlighting Gramm's comments.  I know for a fact that Gramm never came close to becoming the household name that Rev. Wright became in the primaries.  McCain disavowed the comments, and the story essentially died after a couple of news cycles.

Fortunately, that blown opportunity was not the last one that will present itself to Team Obama.  McCain can't stop himself from tripping over his own tongue.  He's essentially a less appealing (and less voluble) Joe Biden.  He will offer future chances (plural) for Team Obama to negatively define him.

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be that much evidence that Team Obama is particularly concerned about defining McCain.  While their primary focus should be on defining their own candidate, it's not an either/or proposition.  At this point, they should be good enough at multitasking to work at defining McCain, too.

As several FP posters noted here yesterday, we have a chance for a victory this fall that will redefine the prevailing landscape a la 1932 or 1980.  Silver's column, however, raises serious questions about whether that redefinition will occur w/o some redefinition of McCain.  If swing voters perceive McCain as an independent moderate rather than the oppportunistic GOP hack that he really is, this election will, ultimately, prove to be much closer than it needs to be.

It's way past time for Team Obama to start the redefinition process.

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  •  It's still summer... (10+ / 0-)

    ...and, really, only us hardcore political types are paying attention.  Here's to Team Obama not peaking early.  But also a warning to Team Obama:  By "Keeping your powder dry", don't forget to actually use it.  Don't get Shrummed...

    •  I don't like the trend (2+ / 0-)

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      RFK Lives, MichiganGirl

      In recent weeks, Obama has increasingly spoken the language of the DLC types and the Beltway consultants. He seems to be narrowcasting to middle-class security moms and dads and has forgotten the groups of voters that got him the nomination.

      And there's no excuse for his failure to respond to Republican attacks on his character and his patriotism. None.

      John McCain's Straight Talk Express runs on fossil fuels.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:34:19 AM PDT

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      •  Please see my comment below. (3+ / 0-)

        People have definitely noticed that McCain often doesn't seem to know what he's talking about and even more often doesn't seem to remember saying it... and since this is happening without the Obama campaign really doing a damned thing yet to try to define McCain, I think McCain's in bigger trouble than any of us ever thought.

        As you know, I live in the Northern Michigan where nascar and mudtrucks are king and if random people at the dragstrip or a biker party think McCain's senile, I think that has to mean that your everyday person is starting to pick up on what we've known for a long time.

        I have to say that I'm feeling pretty confident after my experiences this past Saturday. I was honestly expecting a day of total hell filled with obnoxious and/or vaguely racist remarks and ended up being pleasantly surprised by what I heard from the people we talked with.

        "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

        by MichiganGirl on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:45:18 AM PDT

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        •  I certainly hope you're right (1+ / 0-)

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          MichiganGirl

          I spent much of yesterday catching up on unread newspapers and saw far too much coverage about the effectiveness of McCain's negative ads and voters' misgivings about Obama. You, on the other hand, got to see actual voters.

          John McCain's Straight Talk Express runs on fossil fuels.

          by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:50:19 AM PDT

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          •  I actually heard an old drunk biker say (2+ / 0-)

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            Ken in MN, Scubaval

            that he didn't give a fuck if Obama was a Muslim, because McCain's a senile old bastard that doesn't even know what day of the week it is that wants to kill Michigan's unions... and everybody else standing around agreed!

            I definitely added that to my "things I'd never thought I'd ever see" file, that's for sure.

            I'm spending next Saturday registering voters at a Mudtruck rally and I had such a pleasant experience last Saturday that I'm actually looking forward to it... Imagine that!

            "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

            by MichiganGirl on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:58:32 AM PDT

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          •  I should have added this, (1+ / 0-)

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            Scubaval

            there were 6 different biker clubs represented at this party from all over the state of Michigan and they all want Universal Healthcare.

            It seems that they've lost quite a few members or member's spouses and family members over the last few years because they either didn't have health insurance or didn't have health insurance that would pay for the care and prescriptions that were needed.

            That kind of surprised me, because bikers tend to be pretty libertarian/no government intervention in their political views.

            I guess when people you care about start dying because of lack of healthcare, you start wanting the government to get involved.    

            "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

            by MichiganGirl on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:06:02 AM PDT

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    •  I don't know about that... (3+ / 0-)

      I spent this past Saturday registering voters at a street sale, a dragstrip and a biker party in three different small towns within my county... It probably doesn't get anymore "low info" than a giant yardsale, drag races or a biker party and the Presidential race was all anyone wanted to talk about when we asked them if they were registered to vote.

      By the way... It seems the consensus among rednecks of Northern Michigan is that McCain has Alzheimer's and the media's covering up for it by not talking about McCain's obvious senility.

      He also wants to kill unions and expand NATFA to further screw my state... Now usually I don't like the conspiracy theories that tend to float around my neck of the woods, but this particular conspiracy theory I like very, VERY much. :-)  

      "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

      by MichiganGirl on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:38:41 AM PDT

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    •  Swift Boat Ad First Ran on August 5, 2004 (1+ / 0-)

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      RFK Lives

      While I agree that as a general rule, people don't start paying close attention until after Labor Day - I also think it's unwise to let McCain try to define Obama.

      This is from some type of CNN round-table discussion back in 2004:

      COLLINS: You know, hindsight is 20-20, but the Swift Boat ad aired first back on August 5. [Emphasis added] It's taken Senator Kerry several weeks to respond to it. I mean, I guess you're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. But in hindsight, was it a mistake not to respond sooner?

      d

      I wouldn't advise Sen. Obama to let out too much rope.

  •  IF they can't define McSlime, their leislative (4+ / 0-)

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    LEP, RFK Lives, MadGeorgiaDem, sand805

    agenda is gonna sink faster than Clinton's did.

    bushco got a tax cut for his pig buddies, WIPING out the surplus and sending the budget into the red, in May 2001,

    BEFORE 9/11 !!!

    They're gonna need the SAME or better messaging skill to get anything done in DC as they'll need to beat McSlime

    and I ain't seeing it.

    I'm seeing NEW excuses for the same ol same ol shit campaign.

    rmm.

    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:50:13 AM PDT

  •  Utterly True (4+ / 0-)

    this is what Rachel Maddow has been saying for a while that so far McCain's people have been successful in making the election "about" Obama.  More scrutiny has to be levied on McCain.  Obama has to to get people to question his place in popular consciousness.  Attack his tactics, attack his tacticians.

  •  Candidates and cartoons (0+ / 0-)

    McCain will be just awful relative to Obama during the debates.  That is the next turning point.

    Obama, when he is real is scary to so many because he is so real.  Most of our recent presidents were more cartoonish than real.

    there are quite a few people just want someone to run the country and they don't care how.  I think that is changing this time, thank god.  I am tired of Daffy Duck as president.

    "we should stay in Iraq, even Bin Laden says so" John McCain

    Only cartoon characters do what their enemy says to do.

    Sageman, the 60 senator guy

    by sageman on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:53:10 AM PDT

    •  Sure. President Kerry won the debates too. (0+ / 0-)

      Thank god, because we've had an excellent 4 years under President John Kerry. It's a good thing debates do so much to win elections.

      Barack Obama is a noble-hearted patriot and humble Christian, and he has my full faith and support.

      by benheeha on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:09:46 AM PDT

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    •  Too bad there will be only three of them (0+ / 0-)

      Geeze - we had 22 Dem debates in the primary. Now, with the country at stake, we only have three? And you can bet those three will be lame-o "Why don't you wear a flag pin" moderated debates.

      One of the interesting initiatives we've taken in Washington, DC, is we've got these vampire-busting devices. - George W Bush, Denver, August 2001

      by pucklady on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:26:57 AM PDT

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  •  If most voters actually paid attention to McCain, (5+ / 0-)

    they would be horrified. A overaged hypocrite with a soft spot for the war machine and a complete ignorance of his own positions on many issues: he is a nightmare! I hope to see him start taking some hits. For crying out loud, we don't even have to make stuff up about McCain--just roll tape of some of the idiotic stuff he's said and you're good to go.

    We've watched this war with our hearts in our throats, knowing what there is to lose. -Barbara Kingsolver, "The Poisonwood Bible"

    by Rachel in Vista on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:02:01 AM PDT

    •  BINGO (3+ / 0-)

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      The attacks on McCain write themselves.  You don't even have to be as brutal as you and I are being here.  The self-described foreign policy "expert" who needs JoeMentum to remind him of the difference between Sunni and Shia?  

      His Baghdad marketplace stroll was just as ludicrous as Dukakis was in the tank.  He has no clue how the other 99.999% live, nor, apparently, does anyone around him.  The possibilities here are endless.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:05:41 AM PDT

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  •  Emphasis mine.... (1+ / 0-)

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    RFK Lives

    Forget Carville--Shrum would be able to make massive amounts of political hay from those comments.

    I wouldn't go THAT far... hehehe.

    But I agree, they need to not only include Gramm's statements in an ad, but also the GOP debate where McCain says he's very well versed in economics, that's why he has the support of respected economists like - random name or two - and Phil Gramm.

  •  McCain needs to be firmly tied to Bush (2+ / 0-)

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    RFK Lives, LearningCurve

    and the "maverick" veneer needs to be forcefully ripped from his persona. It is one of the only things that has kept him competitive. Once he is exposed as a run of the mill Rethug, the dynamics of this race will start changing in our favor.

    The loudest cries for war come from those who have never seen one.

    by MadGeorgiaDem on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:03:00 AM PDT

  •  It's August 2004 all over again (1+ / 0-)

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    RFK Lives

    The McCain negative ads are a more pointillistic version Swift Boat ads of 2004 but the strategy is the same: run them a few times, then sit back as the media endlessly repeat the message they contain.

    Like Kerry in 2004, Obama is waiting much too long to respond. Bad move: these ads do lasting damage that can't be repaired in October.

    John McCain's Straight Talk Express runs on fossil fuels.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:30:17 AM PDT

  •  One very interest thing on (0+ / 0-)

    Race to the White House last Friday (i don't know if anyone else noticed it): They ran the McCain ad and then, instead of running Obama's counter ad, they paraphrased what he said.  Unbelievable.

    Hey, Obama people:  GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND DOOO SOMETHING TO COUNTER McCain!!!

    -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke IMPEACH THE BASTARDS!!!

    by caseynm on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:22:12 AM PDT

  •  In debates Will McCain have earpiece (0+ / 0-)

    like his buddy W?

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