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As it turns out, the Washington Post had interviewed Bruce Ivins' group therapy counselor, Jean Duley, in 1999. Except that in 1999, according to the Post's account this evening, she wasn't using the name Duley. She was Jean Wittman, a recovering drug user who attended a "clean and sober" bikers' convention at the Frederick County Fairgrounds in Maryland.

Just to summarize what we already knew, recapped in tomorrow's Washington Post:

The counselor he saw for group therapy and biweekly individual sessions, who would eventually tell a judge that he was a "sociopathic, homicidal killer," had a troubled past. Jean C. Duley, who worked until recent days for Comprehensive Counseling Associates in Frederick, is licensed as an entry-level drug counselor and was, according to one of her mentors, allowed to work with clients only under supervision of a more-seasoned professional.

Her 1999 interview as Jean Wittman is available here:

"Once a biker always a biker," said Wittman, now of Frederick, who said she has lived the lifestyle for two decades, much of the time heavily involved in substance abuse.

"You name it, I did it," she said. "Heroin. Cocaine. PCP. The whole nine yards. In 1993, I hit a bottom. I woke up out of a blackout in Southeast lockup in D.C. and didn't know how I had gotten there. . . . I had a spiritual awakening."

She vowed to chuck her addictions. But she cherished the lifestyle.

"To me, it's very important," she said Thursday, extensive shoulder tattoos of roses and lilies peeking out from under her black halter top. "It's who I am. It's what I've been. I can't exactly, with all these tattoos, go back and become a nonbiker person."

It sounds like she's had a hard life and I wish her all the best in overcoming any remaining addictions. But, I'm not sure this makes her a very credible witness.

Originally posted to cadejo4 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:38 PM PDT.

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    •  wow.just.wow (5+ / 0-)
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      Mahler3, kurt, cadejo4, winchelenator, SciVo

      thanks cadejo4

      tipped & recommended

      poor Jean Duley

      A friend just told me that Greenwald reports that it was the FBI who instructed Duley to file for the restraining order.  She's hardly a credible witness.

      Did you see the segment on Dr. Ivins from the Today Show this morning?

      At the end of the segment there's an interview with Dr. Ivins' friend & colleague Dr. Russell Byrne:

      Meredith Vieira: Apparently he had a history - if you believe what is being said now of harassing people and threatening people's lives.

      Dr. Russell Byrne: Yeah.  I don't know what to make of the restraining order.  I don't have direct information on that. I knew him for fifteen years.  He was in the division for a lot longer than that. And this type of thing never came up.

      Meredith Vieira: You knew a man who was incapable of this?

      Dr. Russell Byrne: That's what I would say. It's possible that somebody could hide that from all of their co-workers, and nobody would ever hear about it.  I really, really doubt it.



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      peace

  •  Hard to imagine how she was qualified (4+ / 0-)
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    True North, peace voter, Mahler3, cadejo4

    to be a counselor - I would think that a certain amount of education and training would be required. Her only qualification seems to have been her experience as an addict . .

  •  I got to say I wonder how this is relevant (2+ / 0-)
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    kurt, chicago minx

    Seems like tarring and feathering someone because they once had a drug problem. So have a lot of people. And she's gotten sober, and the fact of her drug use or her sobriety really shouldn't impugn her as a witness.

    I'd be careful with shit like this. It is veering dangerously close into Rovian Swift-boating. Only this time it is the Left's turn.

    If at first you don't succeed, your name is not Chuck Todd.

    by Larry Madill on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:50:39 PM PDT

  •  A black halter top and rose tattoos (1+ / 0-)
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    powwow500

    The sure sign of a dumb bimbo slut.

    snark

    John McCain: Vowing to connect real leaders with real bowels

    by chicago minx on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:51:58 PM PDT

  •  I can see how she'd be a qualified (5+ / 0-)

    drug abuse counselor. But afaik, Ivins didn't have a drug problem. He had a problem with depression, I believe. (If he's the killer he really had a problem, obviously) In other words it doesn't sound to me like she was qualified to be treating him and was in over her head. It would be interesting to find out how he ended up with her.

    A few weird bits from truthout:

    His counselor Julie Duley sought a restraining order against Ivins on July 24. She wrote the court that Ivins's psychiatrist David Irwin described him as "homicidal, sociopathic," accused him in court of a history of "homicidal threats since graduate school" and that "he will be accused for five capital murders" as the authorities tightened their focus on him, and adde that he had plotted revenge killings "especially against women" - comments that must be taken very seriously.

    It should also be known that the local paper in Frederick reports that she is a "BSW, CSC-AD", which stands for "Bachelor of Social Work, Certified Supervised Counselor - Alcohol and Drug." Under Maryland law, this is attained after two years of college, and means that she can only work under supervision and cannot practice independently. Did she accurately report the serious evaluations she presented to the court?

    If she can't practice independently then why are they even talking about her and not his psychiatrist, David Irwin? How the hell did she know Ivins would "be accused of 5 capital murders... especially against women"?

    I'm no lawyer but she doesn't sound all that credible to me and if I wanted the real "poop" on Ivin's mental state, I'd be talking to the psychiatrist. Was Ivins on any meds? What? Why?  If Ivins was, Duley is not a physician and thus  couldn't prescribe anything, anyway.

    This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around!

    by Snud on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:33:34 PM PDT

  •  Getting a restraining (4+ / 0-)
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    peace voter, kurt, cadejo4, UneasyOne

    order in California: the person requesting writes or types their allegations, usually on a form. The matter comes before the judge. If the person to be restrained does not show, or does not contest the restraint, then usually the restraining order is granted. Sometimes judges deny restraining orders because the person fails to articulate a prior or ongoing threat sufficient to give cause for restraint (i.e. they didn't accuse the person of doing anything threatening or harassing).

    Because there has been no actual factual testing of the allegations in an uncontested restraining order, it cannot be considered proven fact.

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