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I still have hope and believe that Barack will win. I have tuned out the MSM, the polls and the chicken littles. But I understand the fear. This isn't political or idealogical. This is spiritual. This is about our nation's soul. Is it a good soul? Is it an improving soul? Or is there something rotten at it's core? On November 4th we will find out. And there is no pretending otherwise.

I look at the kinds of people who are attracted to the Republicans. They seem angry, resentful, scared of all things and people who are different and willfully ignorant. Call me an elitist, but I don't care. That's what I see. That's what I saw at their convention. That's what I saw in 2004 when people were wearing those purple hearts with band-aids on them. I saw cruelty and manevolence. I hear it on talk radio too. People who don't want their better angels to be appealed to.  I don't want to be like them, but if Obama loses, I may not be able to keep it from happening. This a referendum.

There has been much arguing about strategy and tactics for the Obama campaign. How Barack should handle McCain, Palin, lies, smears, the media, etc. But here's the real deal: If Obama loses it will be because this country is what many of us fear it is: mostly ignorant, uneducated and hateful. And as if that isn't enough, they are willfully and proudly so. If the last eight years hasn't been enough then there was never anything Obama, the Democrats or us could ever do about it. The majority of this country will ultimately be whatever it is and we will find out on November 4th. This is a referendum.

Obama will do all that he can to the best of his talents and abilities and so should we. But the truth is he shouldn't have to work this hard. This should be a no brainer for at least 55% of the public. Nothing that the Repubs do over the next few months should be able to blind people to what 80% claim they see as the wrong direction the country is headed in. Nothing should make them forget who has been in charge over the last eight years. The majority of people should not be fooled by any Republican or media spin. The right choice, Barack Obama, is obvious to us because, damnit it is. I will hold onto my hope and work hard until November 4th, as I hope you all will as well. But I understand your fear. You don't want to lose all of the faith in your country if Barack loses after it's been so wonderful to have it back. I know what Michelle Obama meant and felt no need to defend her comments. It was the truth for so many people.

Even in an imperfect world, he shouldn't lose. You know it, I know it, and the world knows it. Hell, even the Republicans know it. The fact that he can is astonishing. This is a referendum on us.

Originally posted to TexasMango on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 12:23 AM PDT.

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  •  Thank you (7+ / 0-)

    This is a great diary and channels what many of us are thinking.

    This says it right here:

    But here's the real deal: If Obama loses it will be because this country is what many of us fear it is: mostly ignorant, uneducated and hateful. And as if that isn't enough, they are willfully and proudly so.

    I keep hearing the 'excuse' that some people will vote for McCain not because they are the standard ignorant jingoistic authoritarian stupid fucks, but because they 'believe' in lower taxes.  What kind of shit is that?  To those people I say:  If to you this nebulous 'lower taxes' is actually worth the endless war, endless theocracy, endless corruption, and endless ingnorance that the contemporary Republican party offers, then you are just as evil as someone who wants those things outright.

    I don't know what to do.  The fact that this election is even close has me surfing over to that New Zealand jobs page every once in a while.

    It turns out that Bush IS a uniter... he united the good half of the country virulently against him.

    by fizziks on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 12:36:19 AM PDT

    •  Amen! And IMO, TM said it all right here: (4+ / 0-)
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      Lovo, kyril, seattlegirl, shenderson

      This is a referendum on us.

      Palin raised taxes as governor, supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it...and thinks the war in Iraq is "a task from God." - Joe Klein

      by boofdah on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 12:38:47 AM PDT

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    •  Lower taxes (8+ / 0-)

      This is really funny to me. It seems to me that many Republicans aren't aware of where they are on the socio-economic scale. They all seem to think that they are in the top 5% of the country.

      •  Another pt. re: lower taxes/fiscal responsibility (4+ / 0-)
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        Youffraita, kyril, seattlegirl, Mariken

        If Republicans are so "fiscally responsible" as they claim to be, why do they insist that we run up our nation's credit card like an irresponsible teenager with a new piece of plastic in his or her wallet?

        It's like we're this immature teenager, who doesn't want to pay for the costs of upkeeping our country, but is just fine and dandy with running up our national debt and collecting all the setbacks and failures that go right along with it.

        We have to pay the piper sometime.

        Palin raised taxes as governor, supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it...and thinks the war in Iraq is "a task from God." - Joe Klein

        by boofdah on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 12:43:16 AM PDT

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        •  Exactly! That is why, me, a fiscal conservative (8+ / 0-)

          and Moderate Republican am voting, donating to, and campaigning for Obama this year.  In 2004, I was not that tuned into the election, and frankly, could not stand listening to the debates of either Kerry or Bush.  At that point, the Iraq War had not been reported appropriately by the MSM, and I was duped into a sense that the Iraq War really was "mission accomplished".  Looking back, I see what a load of horse-puckey that was, but again, I was not as focused on the election as I should have been.

          The GOP that I knew (from the days of Reagan) no longer exists.  It has been hijacked by the Neo-cons who are exactly as the diarist describes.

          •  From your lips to God's ears (5+ / 0-)
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            boofdah, kyril, stoneage, seattlegirl, brunoboy

            I hope there are millions of you out there. We need you. We need the truly smart and compassionate Republicans.

            •  Thanks, TexasMango! I think there are... (1+ / 0-)
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              millions of us out there.  At my precinct caucus alone (which covers only 2 small blocks - about 1/4 mile), there were 2 other Republicans who came to caucus for Obama and spoke up during the caucus to try to convince undecideds to vote for Obama rather than Hillary saying that they would cross party lines to vote for Obama but not Hillary.

              Now that McCain picked Palin, I think it will force the Moderate Republicans out more.  I really think that, but then I look at the polls and say, "how is it possible that it is so close?  Do I really understand Americans anymore."

              But I am prayerful and optimistic that God is in control of this election and that Obama will win handily.  Obama is our last, best hope for this country to regain its stature in the world.  I am also optimistic that as people tune in more to the election, they will see how wacko the Republicans are.  This is truly a referendum IMHO on the sane people (who will vote Democratic this year) and the crazy people / the Neo-Cons (who are hypernationalistic and will vote Republican this year).

              As Obama always says, I have faith in the American people.  Go Obama!

  •  it was watching the jeering, (5+ / 0-)

    hatred and flag waving at the RNC convention that brought me here.

    Why do Republicans seem so mean?

    gotta hope

  •  i can't disagree, but you know what? (5+ / 0-)

    i thought the same thing four years ago too. you'd like to think people will wise up & not fall for the same manipulative methods. we shall see.

    "Are we to gulp down this tissue of horse shit? Are we to take these glib lies like a greased & nameless asshole?" - Wm Burroughs, Naked Lunch

    by rasbobbo on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 12:39:55 AM PDT

    •  In 2004 (7+ / 0-)

      I knew Bysh would win. He was an incumbent president and Americans tend not to switch leaders during a war. But they don't have that excuse this time. They have no excuse.

      •  Yes--plus, and no disrespect toward Kerry... (5+ / 0-)

        ...because I really have come to respect and admire the man, but he was genuinely a weak candidate who didn't fight back hard enough against his attackers. I was sitting on my bitten fingernails WAITING for him to punch those Karl Rove types and their purple-bandaid asshole minions in the stomach, but he didn't, or at least not soon enough.

        Obama, on the other hand, IS fighting back, and he's got us to help him along the way. Plus, Kerry ran a lukewarm campaign, and didn't generate HALF the passion and excitement that Obama is now doing with the under-40 crowd. In addition, Obama has an impressive on-the-ground grassroots organization that is well-funded (by millions of donors like us!) and well-supported with volunteers, again like us.

        In short, Obama has learned from others' mistakes and is doing virtually everything right. Yet your comment here strikes directly to my fears about the crux of this election:

        If the last eight years hasn't been enough, then there was never anything Obama, the Democrats or us could ever do about it. The majority of this country will ultimately be whatever it is and we will find out on November 4th.

        If the best person we can possibly put out not just from the Democratic Party, but from our nation of excellent American leaders as a whole, cannot beat the most inept, plagued, and tasteless campaign ticket in our nation's history, then I really fear for our nation's future. Genuinely.

        Palin raised taxes as governor, supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it...and thinks the war in Iraq is "a task from God." - Joe Klein

        by boofdah on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 12:49:37 AM PDT

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  •  TexasMango, where is your... (4+ / 0-)
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    kyril, New Earth, seattlegirl, brunoboy

    ...tip jar? I want to tip it b/c I've already rec'ed it. You are an excellent writer--you manage to put into words the convoluted emotions that many of us are feeling acutely, but can't put into coherent words as you've done here.

    Palin raised taxes as governor, supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it...and thinks the war in Iraq is "a task from God." - Joe Klein

    by boofdah on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 12:40:54 AM PDT

  •  My guess is that our nation is fatally flawed (4+ / 0-)
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    fizziks, kyril, scamperdo, shenderson

    and our people are rotten at their core...

    ... at least basically 50% of the voting population, and in a democracy, majority rules.

    My real fear is that we'll discover just like the Germans did in 1934... that democracy itself has failed, and failed utterly... right down to the essence of what it is...

    ie the will of the people.

    What happens when your people are scum and their will is evil?

    •  I have to admit (2+ / 0-)
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      to having thoughts along these lines also. Perhaps we have to go through an awful decline.  Decaying imperialism is one theory.

      But, actually I feel this time we will be vindicated.  I see celebrations coming.  We will have the sweet taste of victory on our lips and amazing emotion in our souls.

  •  my biggest fear (3+ / 0-)
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    Yosef 52, roxtar, kyril

    is what if we lose?

    Where can we possibly go from there?

    The prospects are truly frightening.

  •  If you thought a black man would have it easy... (1+ / 0-)
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    to win an election in America after 232 years of WHITE OLDER men ruling, well I don't know what country you live in.

    I'm not saying this country is totally racist just I truly thought Hillary would get nomination more easily than Barack... and she would have EXCEPT...

    Those idealist, refreshingly OPEN to change, civic minded Millenials did her in. Black, white and brown they came out in record breaking turnout to vote for a black man and tipped the scales in key states like 97% white IOWA!!!!

    That's when I finally started to SEE and BELIEVE we've made great progress in this country...

    BUT, we have still far to go to as 50+ generation proving very resistant. To paraphrase Barack, this will NOT be easy, the naysayers voices will ONLY grow stronger, we WILL be tested time and again...

    BUT you know I am far less nervous than I was in 2004 when it came down to GOP managed and controlled their own GOTV, and it was vastly superior in organization and yes technology to Kerry/Dems. Think of it our hearts were in the right place in 2004, but we lacked the hardcore, ruthlessly efficiency we needed to mow down the GOP.

    This election won't be won with an air assault but with ground troops... and for the first time since 1960, Dems have the advantage on the ground game. That was main reason for Palin pick. McCain needed a counter volunteer army but even the large 2004 evangelical army can't counter the Obama mobilization of close to a million strong well-organized, technologically superior and efficient volunteers... who all report up a pyramid food chain to CHICAGO who has a very FIRM handle on the NUMBERS to win.

    Volunteers in Chicago HQ have a saying, in Plouffe we trust ;-) Notice they don't say in Obama we trust or Alexrod, those hardened, battle-tested staffers KNOW Plouffe's astounding ability to number crunch and predict the district margin within a state to within 1% is really the CHANGE DEMS CAN BELIEVE IN ;-)

  •  Brilliant diary (0+ / 0-)

    for your ability to tap into the reality of it all. You have defined it accurately and beautifully. And thanks for putting my thoughts into words, I couldn't have done it better and it's nice to know a kindred spirit is out there!

    Obama/Biden, Shift Happens!

    by New Earth on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 02:54:14 AM PDT

  •  Its so bad at work (0+ / 0-)

    With so many right wingers in my department (Anesthesia dept in the South)
    I cant even go into my own lounge while the Faux News is on. Its like a frikken shark tank.

    I am starting to NOT LIKE many of my colleagues. The crap that comes out of their mouths can be so despicably hateful it just floors me.  I could not be any more of a polar opposite to most of my dept. How can you LIKE someone who holds views so antecedent to your own.??

    I do fear for the soul of our society if the rethugs win again.  These folks will be so energized and emboldened they are likely to do almost anything to squelch any dissent in the future.

  •  I can't it help it if I am a patriot... (1+ / 0-)
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    fizziks

    I was raised to love this country by parents who struggled through the Great Depression as kids. My dad then went to war and visited most of the worst hellholes in Europe as the Fighting Thunderbirds of the 45th infantry went up the boot of Italy to Anzio and later to southern France and into Germany. After the war he took a job with the Veteran's Administration to help  the GI's who survived to move on to better lives than the ones they had in miserable muddy foxholes.

    I learned from them that poverty does not have to be permanent and that evil can be overcome. They were proud New Deal Democrats who knew that  government was supposed to be of the people, for the people and by the people.

    They took us kids to the Civil War battlefields around the D.C. area so we would hopefully never forget the sacrifices that it takes to advance human rights and extend freedom to all.

    When my brother and I became SDS activists they supported us, bailing us out of jail from time to time. My dad even went to  anti-war demonstrations and was friendly to the Vietnam Veterans Against the War when most of the VA wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole.

    Then one day during the darkest days of the Nixon Presidency my dad turned to me and said, "You mean I went all the way over to Europe to fight fascism and this is what we've become?"

    I am sitting here in the dark pecking away on an iMac pondering his words as I think about McCain/Palin. I am sick to my very soul when I see Americans rally around these two individuals who are traitors to the American ideals that formed the basis of the patriotism that I could never shake off even as I saw this nation commit many terrible crimes.

    If you love this country it's time to stand up against those "Americans" who don't give a flying fuck about patriotism and love of country. They embrace thieves and liars because in the darkness of their own souls they hold those values but are too dishonest to get up and admit in public. They are cowards and if they had any sense of decency they would feel shame and be begging for forgiveness.

    TexasMango is right. This is a battle for the very soul of America. To me Barack Obama is Abraham Lincoln, answering the call to duty as this nation faces destruction and ruin at the hands of its internal enemies.

    Too many people have made the supreme sacrifice for our American ideals: whether they were soldiers in a war they never wanted or civil rights workers in the Deep South,  labor activists on the picket line or the many others I could name.

    We owe it to their memories to fight like hell for the living.

    America and the world deserve nothing less from us.

    "Don't believe everything you think."

    by BobboSphere on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 04:30:33 AM PDT

  •  It's a shame the far left is so consumed by anger (0+ / 0-)

    and hatred.  I'm a native Texan, and my Republican friends don't hate all Democrats.  Similarly, my friends who are Democrats don't share this universal hatred of Republicans.  Everyone is civil and none would dream of the type of sputtering hatred that leads you to characterize an entire group of people as ignorant, uneducated, hateful, evil racist scum just because they don't agree with you.

    I'm happy to have intelligent, civil friends and family from both parties.  Hatemongers at the party extremes are the true traitors to American ideals.

    •  Enough is enough (0+ / 0-)

      This is different. The travesty of the McCain/Palin nomination means people need to choose sides. It's time for decent Republicans to stand up and say they will not be a a part of this racist assault on our nation's best intentions.

      A few have. But too few and not nearly enough.

      If you and other Republicans can't bring yourself to vote for Barack Obama, fine. Tell your Republican friends to stay home on November 4 and try to make it a public protest.

      Demand that your party regain the honor it once had. But choose swiftly because time is running out.

      "Don't believe everything you think."

      by BobboSphere on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 11:36:23 AM PDT

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      •  Let me rephrase that (0+ / 0-)

        This is different. The travesty of the McCain/Palin nomination means people need to choose sides. It's time for decent Republicans to stand up and say they will not be a a part of this racist assault on our nation's best intentions.

        A few have. But too few and not nearly enough.

        Tell your Republican friends that if they can't vote for Barack Obama, fine. Tell them to stay home on November 4 and try to make it a public protest.

        Demand that their party regain the honor it once had. But tell them to choose swiftly because time is running out.

        "Don't believe everything you think."

        by BobboSphere on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 11:39:48 AM PDT

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      •  Hatemongerers (0+ / 0-)

        are people who wear purple hearts with band-aids on them with pride. I'm not saying there aren't decent Republicans, but I know what the Republicans put on display. It wasn't the far right calling people who opposed the Iraq war traitors it was rank and file Republicans. It was this administration that rank and file Republicans elected. Rank and file Rebulicans rewarded Bush/Rove tactics. Rank and file Republicans marched lock step with that kind of behavior.

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