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After watching the horrifying video of the arrest of Democracy Now's Amy Goodman in the streets outside the Republican Convention, I could not shake the sense of unreality.

DKos Diary that includes the embedded video.

This morning my family and I listened to Democracy Now. I imagine many others here did the same. I was sure that such a shameful attack on the constitution and the values that are given lip service by politicians constantly would be covered in, say, the New York Times. Oops.

Here is a link to NYT story about the protests in today's online paper.

This prompted me to go to the NYT Caucus Blog and make the following statement...

NYT, your article in today’s paper about the protests at the RNC convention leaves out a lot of important information. The Alternative media covers this story much better.

One example is your focus on the small number of protesters who were unruly (the vast majority were peaceful and well-organized) with no attention to the many incidents where police used illegal procedures and unreasonable force on peaceful demonstrators.

Another example involves your silence about pre-convention raids targeting protest organizers including a video collective that did a great job covering police misconduct during previous conventions (and who were doing nothing illegal).

Journalists have been targeted and arrested, including award-winning journalist Amy Goodman of Democracy Now (see this link to video of her arrest :
http://www.democracynow.org/...

Ms. Goodman was arrested while trying to find out why two of her colleagues were being arrested (they were trying to cover the events unfolding in the street). They were treated with brutality and at least two were injured. Apparently other journalists have also been arrested trying to cover the story, including reporters from the AP and the NY Post.

We will continue to lose our freedoms to police intimidation unless the mainstream press covers what is happening. Please, NYT, do your job. We need you to step up here.

Thank you.

Today I plan to explore the online MSM and provide information about this situation. Many of us have been following the increasing militarization of police tactics in response to peaceful protests. With the harrasment of accredited journalists, these tactics have escalated. Not only do the police use unlawful force, they are attempting to prevent there being any objective witness to these tactics. "Freedom is a constant struggle." Help break the silence by finding a related story on a MSM online outlet and posting a more balanced account of events of yesterday.

Originally posted to your neighbor on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 07:44 AM PDT.

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  •  Great idea (19+ / 0-)

    and keep up the good work

    Progressives truly are The Brave http://www.peopleoverprofits.org

    by justiceleague on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 07:48:31 AM PDT

  •  Let's keep Amy front and center. (9+ / 0-)

    Recommended.

    Not the church. Not the state. Women will decide their fate.

    by JaciCee on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 07:57:35 AM PDT

  •  Klobuchar's office's rude reply siding w police (13+ / 0-)

    I called the Minnesota Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar's office to ask what the Senator's office would do about the arrest of a journalist in that state.  The woman who answered the phone first said that it was a campaign issue and that a Senator's office does not handle campaign issues.  I told her that it was not a campaign issue because Goodman is not running for office and it was a case of a journalist being arrested on a public street.  The staff member's next comment was that the if she got arrested she must have done something.  I said that she was a journalist covering the convention.  I said that CNN and other major networks have cameras on the streets and nobody bothers them, so why should she bother Goodman.  Then the staff member said that the police were responsible for maintaining the safety of the people attending the convention.  I tried to say that a known journalist would not possibly be a threat to anyone's safety, but this little girl on the other end of the line kept talking over my voice and then hung up on me.  

    •  Why defend those anarchists ? (1+ / 0-)
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      JG in MD

      They planned for a year to do this

      The RNC Welcoming Committee are not democrats, democrats dont set fire to garbage dumpsters, break bus windows etc.

      Crash the Convention – We didn’t get an invitation, but we’re showing up anyway.

      This party will be what we make of it. We don’t want to confine our potential by imposing a single vision of what success will look like. We recognize that there will be a lot of people coming with their own agendas and carefully laid plans and want to be open to the diverse tactics that will be necessary to accomplish our many goals. Together, we can derail the purely ceremonial show of this repressive system and remake it with our own hands and according to our own visions.
      http://www.nornc.org /

      Transportation Troubles – This includes blockades downtown (at key intersections), on bridges (10 bridges over the Mississippi River in the metro area), and other sporadic and strategic targets (busses, hotel and airport shuttles etc).
      http://www.nornc.org /

      Good people wishing to peacefully protest have been infiltrated, I have been to 6 anti war protests in DC and NYC, in groups as large as 500k, without a sign of anyone hurting a hair on another persons head. In the late 1960's instigators started beating people at a number of events, including the 1968 Democratic Convention.

      We are being played.

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:55:51 AM PDT

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  •  there is no more important story. (8+ / 0-)

    there is no more important story.

    here is a video of events leading to the arrest, Amy walks up slowly / calmly:

    http://wcco.com/...

    Call the Ramsey County Jail at 651-266-9350 the Mayor's re-election campaign:

    Chris Coleman for Saint Paul

    C/O Kris Fredson

    P.O. Box 14447

    Saint Paul, Minnesota 55114

    651-235-4459

  •  Amy went to the defense of folks who are not dems (5+ / 0-)
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    resa, rockhound, Allogenes, LillithMc, forgore

    The violence in St Paul is a false flag op.

    Good people wishing to peacefully protest have been infiltrated, I have been to 6 anti war protests in DC and NYC, in groups as large as 500k, without a sign of anyone hurting a hair on another persons head. In the late 1960's instigators started beating people at a number of events, including the 1968 Democratic Convention.

    We are being played.

    Keep your eye on the target, November 4th. Do not let them muddy the waters with swiftboats stories, Pay no attention to the shiney pretty things like the Palin stories, or these acts of violence in St. Paul. Just ask your selves, why, when Neo Cons are involved, they resort to false flag operations. Rumors of terrorist attacks at the Boston Democratic Convention in 2004. The WTO violence of a few years ago.

    Dont let your selves or your friends get played, keep your damn eyes on the target.

    1. The White House must be won.
    1. We need 60+ Senate seats.
    1. We need another 30-50 seats in the House.

    Just say no to pretty shiny things, and yes to voter registration, knocking on doors and making phone calls for Barack Obama, our democratic Congressional and Senate Candidates, and all the down tickets races at the state, county and municipal levels.

    We wont get another chance. Keep your eyes on the target.

    Liberal protesters openly advocate violence against the RNC ...

    Anti-War Protest Brings Violence, Chaos to RNC

    Be Prepared for Police Violence at the RNC Protest

    Protesting Violence With Violence at the Republican National Convention, St. Paul, MN

    The goal of anti-war protesters, most of the time, is to send the message that "violence begets violence." Some of them have no problem with some of the war effort against radicals that cause terror, and their only complaint is Iraq. However, a large portion of the anti-war left are against war of any form, even if used as a defensive measure. They are entitled to their opinions. They have the ability to protest as they do because of the blood shed by our military heroes.

    The problem I have is that their argument is against war, against violence, but more often than not the protests by these people become violent, as they are becoming in St. Paul.

    Isn't that just a bit hypocritical?
    crossposted.

    FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:08:12 AM PDT

    •  and she should go to the defense of those who (6+ / 0-)

      are protesting peacefully, no matter what political party they may belong to.

      (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

      by dancewater on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:27:17 AM PDT

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      •  Right, the RNC welcoming committe are not (1+ / 0-)
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        forgore

        peaceful, the house that was raided was used as a meeting place for the anarchists.

        http://www.nornc.org/

        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:38:23 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  from their website: (1+ / 0-)
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          Marja E

          What we are calling for:

          1. Get it together – Have regional consultas, organize in your communities, and form your affinity groups. We are expecting people to come with concrete plans for action that they have devised and the capacity to carry them through.
          1. Lead up actions – Practice makes perfect. Use this entire year leading up to the RNC to develop and practice your own tactics and strategies that step things up a notch and build true alternatives. Resistance doesn’t start and end at ‘the next big protest’; it is a way of life.
          1. Fundraising – We’re not saying to let your community projects flounder, but we’re going to need some serious cash to help arrange legal support (we’re still looking for a lawyer dumpster), a convergence space, and a thousand other logistical puzzles. Pass the hat at every regional consulta and meeting you attend, hold fundraisers, and send a chunk of it in our direction!
          1. Communicate – Maintain strong security-culture values, but let us know your capacities and what you will need. If you want a single point person to communicate with, we can arrange it. What you say you can do and will need shapes the course that we take.
          1. Come to the Twin Cities – Come early and come often! Take advantage of that "Minnesota Nice" and come long before the convention to help make things happen. Also, put May Day weekend (May 1st - 4th 2008) on your calendars to send a representative or two from your group to the Twin Cities for our next networking and strategizing event (more info TBA).

          September 1st, 2008, we, the RNC Welcoming Committee, invite all anarchists and anti-authoritarians, all radicals and rabble-rousers, all those who are fed up with government lies and spectacles to show up ready for action and ensure that we leave no place for these expired politicians. What we create here will send the convention crashing off course into insignificance.

          Nothing there that says they are pro-violence.  They do claim they want to "change" the RNC, maybe stop them in their tracks.  

          Now, just imagine a world where German citizens shut down the Nazis while they were in power (say 1937) but had not committed wars of aggression.  Imagine a world where they CHANGED or STOPPED the Nazi political organizing with minimal property damage, no violent acts on people, and striving to build alliances with other community groups and local citizens.  What would that look like?

          I think it would look like the RNC Welcoming Committee.

          (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

          by dancewater on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:41:45 AM PDT

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    •  She went to the defense of two (0+ / 0-)

      other reporters.

      To what are you refering to?

      We are all droogie6655321.

      by Indexer on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:51:06 AM PDT

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    •  I was corrected Amy was not defending this group (0+ / 0-)

      I jumped the gun on that. I was wrong.

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:31:54 AM PDT

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  •  On "Morning Edition" on NPR this morning, (6+ / 0-)

    there was a story about the arrests in Minneapolis/St. Paul.  Talk about violence.  Not one word about Amy Goodman.

    To say my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:13:17 AM PDT

  •  Everyone needs to write Mayor, Congress, Senators (5+ / 0-)

    from the state of Minnesota. I heard Amy Goodman on Democracy Now this morning. Everyone needs to listen to the details of this arrest. Every American should be appalled at the police brutality and intimidation. It is obvious to me that Democracy Now was targeted and we all need to write today. I know I am.

  •  Goodman's out of jail, (7+ / 0-)

    charged with obstruction with a legal process and interference with a peace officer.  

    Democracy Now producers Kouddous and Salazar are also out -- but facing felony riot charges.

    Details from Democracy Now here.

    You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you. --Eric Hoffer

    by xicara on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:25:58 AM PDT

    •  Why did Amy do this story about anarchists (1+ / 0-)
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      rockhound

      The RNC Welcoming Committee are not democrats, democrats dont set fire to garbage dumpsters, break bus windows etc.

      Crash the Convention – We didn’t get an invitation, but we’re showing up anyway.

      This party will be what we make of it. We don’t want to confine our potential by imposing a single vision of what success will look like. We recognize that there will be a lot of people coming with their own agendas and carefully laid plans and want to be open to the diverse tactics that will be necessary to accomplish our many goals. Together, we can derail the purely ceremonial show of this repressive system and remake it with our own hands and according to our own visions.
      http://www.nornc.org /

      Transportation Troubles – This includes blockades downtown (at key intersections), on bridges (10 bridges over the Mississippi River in the metro area), and other sporadic and strategic targets (busses, hotel and airport shuttles etc).
      http://www.nornc.org /

      Good people wishing to peacefully protest have been infiltrated, I have been to 6 anti war protests in DC and NYC, in groups as large as 500k, without a sign of anyone hurting a hair on another persons head. In the late 1960's instigators started beating people at a number of events, including the 1968 Democratic Convention.

      We are being played.

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:43:59 AM PDT

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      •  Enough already. We get the point. (2+ / 0-)
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        mango, Marja E

        "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

        by resa on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:49:13 AM PDT

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      •  why did amy do a story about anarchists? (1+ / 0-)
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        resa

        christ.  what an assinine question.  not only because they are there, but also because they aren't the only ones at the protest who were arrested.

        way to blame the victims of this uncalled for action against our media.  question - when's the last time amy goodman has been arrested?  she covers this shit worldwide.  it hasn't happened.  wake up - this is different.

        OBAMA/BIDEN '08

        by jj24 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:59:36 AM PDT

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      •  Did you watch the video or listen... (1+ / 0-)
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        xicara

        to Goodman's account? Regardless of what you think about the Welcoming Committee, jounalists who were not breaking the law were brutally arrested in the course of doing their jobs.

        People who did not have anything to do with anarchists were targeted. The few law-breakers (possible plants?) were the excuse.

        The MSM is ignoring the large numbers of peaceful protesters AND the police unlawfulness in faver of this garbage. They need to do their jobs and cover the whole story. We need to push them to do so.

        "The eyes of the future are looking back at us and they are praying for us to see beyond our own time." - Terry Tempest Williams

        by your neighbor on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:30:12 AM PDT

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  •  Write letters to the editor of (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    resa, jj24, Allogenes, LillithMc, forgore

    the national papers as well as your local paper.

    I hope Jane Hamsher and Digby get something going on this where they set up an online letter with salient talking points and an easy way to send it to your local media. They did something along these lines regarding BushCo torture.

  •  And don't forget RACHEL. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Allogenes, forgore
  •  Let's also find international (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    resa, forgore

    coverage of this and hammer it home.

    •  The house was used by anarchists (0+ / 0-)

      http://www.nornc.org/

      They planned this for a year.

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:40:14 AM PDT

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      •  You are asking for donuts. (1+ / 0-)
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        Marja E

        You are spamming.

        "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

        by resa on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:49:33 AM PDT

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        •   Appropriate use of Hide ratings per the FAQ (0+ / 0-)

          Appropriate use of Hide ratings

          An excellent discussion of when a hide-rate is appropriate, and some of the common types of trolls, can be found in the troll rating article, originally from this diary. Reading this article is highly recommended before issuing any Hides. Also read: An Exegesis for Troll Ratings posted by Hunter Tue Jan 01, 2008. (note that Hide ratings used to be called Troll ratings, and are referred to by the earlier name in these references)

          Some posters create accounts at dkos strictly for the purpose of causing disruption. It is considered acceptable to hide all of the posts made by such people, even the ones that are not in and of themselves trollish. It should be emphasized, however, that this should not be done lightly. Before rating comments en-masse, you should be very very sure that the author is really a troll, and not just a regular poster who is having a bad day. If there is any shadow of a doubt as to whether a person is a dedicated troll, you should refrain from mass-hiding their comments.

          To prevent abuse of the Hide button, as of June 2, 2006, trusted users are limited in the number of hides they can give out each day. Currently, the limit is five per day.

          http://www.dkosopedia.com/...

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:13:42 AM PDT

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          •  Stop spamming. (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Marja E

            Some posters create accounts at dkos strictly for the purpose of causing disruption. It is considered acceptable to hide all of the posts made by such people, even the ones that are not in and of themselves trollish. It should be emphasized, however, that this should not be done lightly. Before rating comments en-masse, you should be very very sure that the author is really a troll, and not just a regular poster who is having a bad day. If there is any shadow of a doubt as to whether a person is a dedicated troll, you should refrain from mass-hiding their comments.

            "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

            by resa on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:15:28 AM PDT

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        •  Dairy Authors comments here (0+ / 0-)

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:21:37 AM PDT

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      •  You seem to not have read the story. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        resa, jj24

        What's your agenda here?

        We are all droogie6655321.

        by Indexer on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:50:19 AM PDT

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      •  There was no (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        resa, jj24, Marja E

        evidence, common household objects in anyone's house.

        Amy Goodman and company were arrested because they were getting that story out. By charging her with a felony to incite riot (i'm sure after RNC over all charges will be dropped) our fascist govt discredits her.

        We have laws that enable domestic spying. This is the result of it and you are buying the line about anarchists. They are the official scapegoat of the RNC. Wake up.

        They lie about everything .Why give them the benefit of the doubt?

        •  I wouldn't waste my breath on this guy. (0+ / 0-)

          He's a troll.

          "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

          by resa on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:11:24 AM PDT

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        •  I know, not my point (0+ / 0-)

          go to the web site, I wont post the info anymore.

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:15:06 AM PDT

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        •  I agree with what you posted, but not my point (0+ / 0-)

          go to the groups website, read it, make up your mind of what they intended.

          Amy does a great job, but the flip side is this group, that needs to be brought out..

          Are they instigators ? are they false flag ? Thats my guess.

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:23:07 AM PDT

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          •  I think I see your point here. (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            rockhound, Roger Fox

            You are wondering what the real motives of the group are - and suggesting (am I right?) that they do not merit defense by us. And that their purpose may even be to distract us from our goals or trap us into an undefensable position publically. Make us look like "the looney left."

            I agree. I'm concerned about improper police actions, not those that are justified. If they have warrents and probable cause exists that's different. What happened to the innocent and to journalists is what concerns me.

            "The eyes of the future are looking back at us and they are praying for us to see beyond our own time." - Terry Tempest Williams

            by your neighbor on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:38:47 AM PDT

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            •  LOL, yeah....I'll take it a step further (0+ / 0-)

              Lets assume the group is false flag, when Amy shows up, the powers that be want her stopped, or intimidated, in an effort to protect the operation.

              Now this does not solely explain the judges warrant, or the over reaction by the police.

              But, a false flag op, that brews violence, can be spun in the media as a reason to legitimize these heavy handed police ops.

              They need to generate reasons to move towards a police state, and we have to entertain the possibility they will use ops like this, ala 1968 DNC riots.

              I'm not convinced this was flase flag, but the police reaction to Amy made me think, twice, & 3 times. I went to an anti war event where amy spoke, shes a small girl, and presents no physical threat to a cop. Unless she beats him over the head with her microphone. LOL.

              FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

              by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:16:00 AM PDT

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              •  Metaphorically, that's what she does! (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Roger Fox

                She beats them over the head with her microphone! Every day on Democracy Now!

                "The eyes of the future are looking back at us and they are praying for us to see beyond our own time." - Terry Tempest Williams

                by your neighbor on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:20:20 AM PDT

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                •  Exactly, we cant have that in AmeriKa (0+ / 0-)

                  Amy must be stopped.

                  :-)

                  Starhawk is in St Paul, one of her emails came to me, and tweaked my interest.

                  http://www.starhawk.org/

                  FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

                  by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:25:26 AM PDT

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                  •  Thanks. (2+ / 0-)
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                    Roger Fox, Marja E

                    I saw an e-mail from Starhawk I think in a diary here yesterday. Though I am not involved in her witch stuff, I love her writing and have all her books. Her novel, The Fifth Sacred Thing, is about non-violent resistance to an oppressive politcal system. It explores the question: How do you fight against an enemy that is not constrained by morality if you are a pacifist? Very cool.

                    "The eyes of the future are looking back at us and they are praying for us to see beyond our own time." - Terry Tempest Williams

                    by your neighbor on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 11:33:34 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah glass bottles, LOL (0+ / 0-)

          BS trumped up stuff. The Judge needs a talkin to about that warrant.

          I got the email from Starhawk, on this raid.

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:28:47 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Good for you! (0+ / 0-)

    I will join you in this, although I've been here before and don't expect much. We didn't have the anarchy and destruction issues in New York during the convention but the NYC arrests actually got a bit more attention.

    Nothing changed and if anything, what is happening in St. Paul is WORSE than what happened in NYC, with the exception of the horrible bus depot that the arrested people were thrown into.

    The St. Paul police actually make the NYPD look good.

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

    by resa on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:47:45 AM PDT

  •  Write, in your own handwriting, a LTE about this (0+ / 0-)

    It is well known that snail mail has a much heavier impact with the editors of newspapers than do email. A physical presensce, snail mail is something that can't be deleted with a flick of a finger. True it can be thrown away, but to the dinosaurs in the msm papers, they have a much more empirical nature.

    WRITE A LETTER ON PAPER!

    Perhaps more important, sign Rep. Kucinich's petition to arrest Rove by the 9th I think it is or it's no good and off the table, as they say.

    BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INCARCERATE

    by crystaljim on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:36:46 AM PDT

  •  Infiltrated-there were moles in the groups (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Roger Fox

    AND they were expected to deliver the goods...come up with what Homeland security or whoever expected/suspected would turn up. Anarchists, violent plots. And it would be no huge surprise if they actually have found some of what they are looking for but we have to take their word for bit till more facts emerge. But whether their suspicions are borne out at all or not the whole spying operation is far more likely to lead to false positives - the things they are looking for inevitably seem to emerge like answers to leading, suggestive questions from an interrogator. Each link in the command chain gets the intel a bit more shaded by filters who add what their own expectations imply is there.

    It's like body counts or WMD or drug seizures or any Neocon Bushian belief system...you believe the bogey men are out there (and they are of course out there) but you start to see them everywhere and they grow bigger and worse in the telling...you suspect more than what you see and hear... reality is not enough to match your fear fantasies... and the hero fantasies... the desire for action and maybe getting to be a hero. Suddenly you are a Navy captain of a ship in the Persian Gulf who believes his command is under attack, in fact wants to believe he is under attack and gives the order and a civilian airliner is shot down. You are the inexperienced National Guardsmen in Ohio in the late 60's who shot dead 4 students...they saw the bogeymen they knew was there and they "defended themselves.

    For the cartoon version of shooting at ghosts see Spielberg's, somewhat flawed, but still worth seeing film "1941"...

    The watchmen are also afraid that they will fail and on their watch something very bad could happen...and they secretly distrust the intel as being incomplete or underplayed maybe...Better a few extra broken heads, suppressed journalists, overkill in the collateral damage...with actions and decisions edging into police-state territory it's a  safe bet that no one will call them on it...The greater good of avoiding a mini 9-11, however unlikely, that could be pinned on their incompetence...fear of that can make any SWAT team do their duty...They choose to be damned by the left than by the right and the media will be enablers. And in the end, since the protesters are inexplicably against "America's true party" the Police enforcement of all that is right and good can actually be seen as excessively lenient. (bunch a crybabies..take your medicine)....Give em an inch....this is how we maintain law and order downtown....

    And back at HQ they just want to avoid Republicans looking bad...no fear of being called on the excessive "Policing". The inevitable out of court settlements years later is just another line item on the overall security budget. All bets are off for today, no quarter, immediate results/actions...no thought of consequences, morality or actual effectiveness. The Media will validate all and award praise. And the bigger the anarchist fish story the more it reflects favorably on everyone.

    But finally fear and scatter-shot, non-focused over-retaliation to real or imagined threats only guarantees that they will persist or actually come to be real if not already and get worse. Bush's great success in spreading fire all over the Mideast is but one example. Unintentionaly, (one would hope) creating and building up an adversary - a Republican specialty.

    Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie

    by IreGyre on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:52:57 AM PDT

  •  Next step, suppressing Journalists openly (0+ / 0-)

    Do we face an Orwellian future? This has been cassandra-ed to death for 60 years and maybe we have been premature about it's prospects in the USA for a long time.

    But now we seem to be edging more and more to a Putin style government...and that the Neocons are at the heart of it is no mystery. It used to be crusading journalists only had to fear mobsters and other criminals...not the government so much. But the right now that they have cemented their power in newer and frightening, more With the media increasingly owned by cronies and allies there is hardly the need for direct suppression. Media personalities who do not play ball just get fired and lose their nice high profile lifestyle. Where are they going to go? However in time even little pipsqueaks here and there saying things off message that the heirs of Cheney don't like will find life very hard. Papers close, come under new management, radio and TV stations even the smallest get co-opted.

    But if the US continues down the path we have been on and if history is any teacher, as powers-that-be get more used to unfettered control they will come to be more intolerant of even the most minor voices who disagree with them and these brave and stubborn people may even start to die here and there and the rest will tend to shut up. But with pervasive police state v.2 technology that may be hardly necessary and no one will hear about it if it does happen. Accidents and disappearances will suffice.

    Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie

    by IreGyre on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:57:56 AM PDT

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