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The Republicans are out in the weeds here in Colorado.  Democrats hold the majority in the state legislature, both Senators are Democrats, our governor is a Democrat and five out of seven House members are Dems. Yet, shockingly (not) the GOP still think their words and actions have power.  The Colorado Repubs have delegated themselves to being our concern trolls and are basically making themselves look like asshats.

On Wednesday, President Obama ordered the Pentagon to shut down the prison camps at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba within one year's time.  Naturally, one of the first reactions concerns what to do with the prisoners that have committed actual crimes and need to be prosecuted.  Several prisons and military bases have been mentioned as possible solutions, including one in my state: Supermax or ADX.

Officially known as United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility, Supermax or ADX is the official federal super-maximum prison in the United States.  While the prison has never had an escapee and is considered one of the most high tech and safest prison's in the nation, Supermax is not without problems.  Most of the problems are directly related to underfunding and short staffing.

Housed at ADX are prisoners deemed to be the worst of the worst.  Former and current ADX inmates include:

Omar Abdel-Rahman: the "Blind-Sheik", involved in the 1993 WTC bombings  
Theodore Kaczynski:  the "Unabomber"
Timothy McVeigh:  the Oklahoma City bombing
Eric Robert Rudolph:  1996 Olympic Park bomber
Zacarias Moussaoui:  9-11 conspirator




Video from "Supermax: A Clean Version of Hell"





In the days since the Gitmo announcement, several parties in Colorado have come out in support of housing Gitmo detainees at Supermax.  Democrat Governor Bill Ritter does not object to the idea.

Ritter wouldn't oppose transferring the Guantanamo Bay detainees to Supermax because it was built for just that type of high-risk inmate, Ritter spokesman Evan Dreyer said today.



Bat Hall, mayor of Florence, Colorado where ADX is located agrees.

"There's probably not a more secure place in the nation," said Hall.



The Colorado Veterans Alliance, the largest post-September 11 veterans and military group in the state, has thrown their support behind Ritter.






As expected the Republicans, champions of NIMBY, are all over this one.

U.S. Reps. Doug Lamborn and Mike Coffman, R-Colo., denounced the idea.  ADX is located in Lamborn's district, Colorado's fifth Congressional district.

Lamborn told 9News he worries about "liberal judges" freeing terror suspects on technicalities. He said he also worries about the terrorism suspects spreading their ideas to other inmates.

Yes, Doug.  Please worry about those scary "liberal judges".  You know, we wouldn't want to give anyone a fair trial or anything.  It's not as if the United States of America has laws that this nation was founded on.  And the world certainly doesn't have treaties we must abide by.  Pfffffttttt.


State Republican lawmakers are circulating a petition (similar to a strongly worded letter?) crying about the transfer of the prisoners to Supermax.

Led by the GOP's Sen. Ken Kester, of Las Animas, and Rep. Cory Gardner, a Yuma Republican, the legislators gathered signatures on a petition circulated among colleagues in the General Assembly --both Democrats and Republicans--to protest Ritter's willingness to offer Colorado's Supermax prison as a place to house some of the world's most hardened terrorists.

"It makes us a target," Gardner said. "If Gov. Ritter has his way, there will be a pipeline of terrorism from Kabul to Colorado."

A pipeline of terror from Kabul to Colorado?  OH NOEZZZZZZZZZ!!!!
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Democrat State Rep Buffie McFadyen, who's district includes Supermax is apprehensive about using the prison for Gitmo detainees, however Rep McFadyen has long been a champion for the prison workers in her district.

Supermax would need more staff and perhaps even a new detention center to house the Guantanamo prisoners, she said.

A valid concern and one that will need to be addressed before the prisoners can be sent to any of the proposed locations.


State Senate Minority leader Josh Penry (R- my state rep) also has concerns.

"I was taken aback by the suggestion that somehow Colorado would be eager to host what amounts to the worst of the worst," said Penry.

Hey Josh, do me a favor a click on this little link.  We already have "the worst of the worst" here.  Learn some damn current state events.


Penry continued.

"I hope the Governor won't do the new President a favor at the expense of the people of the state," said Penry.

Because we wouldn't want to come together as one people to solve our nation's problems or anything.  Plus, Josh only likes it when people do favors for him.


One last gem from Penry.

"There's a reason we have a remote location to store the really bad people in this world," said Penry.

A remote location to store really bad people?  Rep Penry, the United States of America does not "store" anyone.  We apprehend people suspected of committing crimes, try them in a court of law using the rules of our judicial system and either convict them or release them based on evidence.  When and if someone is convicted, they are sentenced and serve their sentences in the appropriate facilities.


And really, wherever the prisoners go; so will go some federal dollars.  An increased number of high-profile prisoners will mean an increase in the number of staff needed for the facility.  Are the Colorado Republicans against bringing more jobs to the state?  Since these jobs would most likely be union ones, my vote is yes.

Speaking of really bad people stored in a remote location, hopefully one day we can right some damn wrongs in this country and send the Republicans to Gitmo.  That is the only use of the prisons at Guantanamo Bay that I fully support.

Originally posted to COkdub on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 08:19 AM PST.

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  •  Tips (19+ / 0-)

    for Republican concern trolls and right-wing talking points.


    Never argue with an idiot... They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

    by COkdub on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 12:50:04 AM PST

    •  Penry might want to check his facts (2+ / 0-)
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      Everyone knows we store the really bad people at undisclosed locations.

      "The time for justice is always right now!" - Samantha Booke, Wiley College debate team, 1935

      by Edgewater on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 08:48:27 AM PST

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    •  Tough question for you (1+ / 0-)
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      COkdub

      Who's the bigger hatass, Lamborn or Penry?

      Both are delusional.  I vote Lamborn because he is Bush-class stupid.  And horribly, he'll hold CD 5 until hell freezes over, or all the R's in the Springs wake up.

      The constitution does not provide for first and second class citizens - Wendell Wilkie

      by ms badger on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 10:55:30 AM PST

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      •  it's a toss-up (0+ / 0-)

        I am particular to thinking Penry is the biggest FAIL, but he is my state rep and I'd like him to go away ASAP.  I have a dog in that fight, so it's not really fair for me to judge.  I've heard that he might want to run for Gov or Senate.  I find that laughable because statewide he is a nobody and even here he is no more than the pretty boy local college quaterback.

        Lamborn probably wins this race, which is pathetic.  


        Never argue with an idiot... They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

        by COkdub on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 11:03:05 AM PST

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  •  All the right-wing (13+ / 0-)

    yammering about the 'worst of the worst' does nothing but put these detainees on a too-high-by-far pedestal. They aren't super-villains, or superhuman.

  •  Doug Lamborn has the brain of a toadstool (10+ / 0-)

    Totally useless. And CO-05 is full of mushrooms just like him.

    He's good for a dose of comic relief though.

    I can't express how warm and fuzzy it feels to observe the putz brigade relegated to ineffectual whining.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 08:41:38 AM PST

    •  Rec'ed even though you made me (5+ / 0-)

      just about choke on my coffee.

      "The time for justice is always right now!" - Samantha Booke, Wiley College debate team, 1935

      by Edgewater on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 08:49:55 AM PST

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    •  Lamborn is a stupid, stupid man (3+ / 0-)
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      I worked for someone running against him in 2006.   He is arguably the most embarrassingly stupid dolt ever elected.....  

      BUT, not everyone in CO 5 is a mushroom.  It's just that we were gerrymandered into a republican stronghold in exchange for giving Boulder to the dems.  It is sad and frustrating for those of us living here who are dems, are liberal and want change.

      And be aware, the mainstream republicans here (as opposed to the religious right rethugs of Focus and New Life)  privately despise and diss Lamborn as much as dems do.  But the extremist right wingers of Club for Growth poured tons of money for Lamborn to go against the mainstream repubicans.  Sad but true.....

      Some of us continue to try to take back our district from the right wing nuts.

  •  Sure and lets not discuss the fact that... (11+ / 0-)

    there are apparently dozens of people at Gitmo that are completely innocent of any crime other than the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Member of the "Fellows of the Ass Society." Dedicated to reminding people that most knowledge still comes from books. Not Wikipedia.

    by David Kroning on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 08:44:29 AM PST

  •  harder to recruit (8+ / 0-)

    These politics of fear people just don't stop.  They don't seem to be noticing that since Obama got elected and announced the end to torture and the closing of Guantanamo, the Al Queda leaders are scrambling to pin something on Obama.  Bush made it easy to hate the US.  Obama is making it harder.  I heard some pundit crying about how would we feel if a US soldier dies because of the release of a Gitmo prisoner.  What about all the soldiers who HAVE died because of the thousands recruited after seeing pictures of Abu Graib and stories from Gitmo.  How many more terrorists are there BECAUSE of Gitmo and policies of torture?

    •  I read it recently, but I can't remember... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...who said it (paraphrasing):

      "You can argue that torture made the world safer for American citizens, but only if you do not consider our soldiers to be American citizens."

      Hard core Christian and hard core liberal...not an illogical combination at all.

      by penny8611 on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 11:35:19 AM PST

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  •  heh. Pelican Bay prison in California (5+ / 0-)

    about 60 miles north of my hometown, has had Charles Manson for a few years. I fail to see how any Gitmo detainee could be more dangerous than that guy. Or any of the others you list above.  What this amounts to is a "don't want none o' those dirty muslims" thing. Reality is, if your community allowed this sort of prison to be built, this is what you signed up for.  

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    by decembersue on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 08:45:45 AM PST

  •  It isn't a surprise how stoopid (5+ / 0-)

    the Republicans are -- you've addressed neatly all of their ridiculous blathering.  I would like to ask them -- just how is it that any of these prisoners can be turned loose on the American public when they are not (except one?) citizens, they have no papers, they will get no papers.

    You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. - G.B. Shaw, "Misalliance"

    by gchaucer2 on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 08:58:49 AM PST

    •  Oh, the prisoners will be running around (3+ / 0-)
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      with all the illegal immigrants the Republicans always cry about.  You know, because if you are brown in America you must be here illegally according to the wingnuts.  It's pathetic how long on stooopid they are.


      Never argue with an idiot... They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

      by COkdub on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 09:02:24 AM PST

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      •  Exactly - they'll be recruiting illegal aliens (2+ / 0-)
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        ms badger, COkdub

        to their terrorist ranks within the walls of our prisons, on our soil!

        I actually heard some dumbbell here in CO fretting about that on the radio.  

        Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

        by bumblebums on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 09:15:36 AM PST

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        •  Talk radio in CO (1+ / 0-)
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          is enough to make your ears bleed.


          Never argue with an idiot... They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

          by COkdub on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 09:16:58 AM PST

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        •  As if (3+ / 0-)
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          Illegal aliens would be held in the same facility. Gees, no shit, people who are no harm to anyone, just without papers, are going to be held in the same place as people who could be going to the Supermax.

          Illegal immigrants are mostly from Latin America, and would have just about nothing in common with these inmates-they don't even share a language or a religion.

          As I wrote elsewhere, the real reason they don't want the Gitmo inmates here is because they are probably innocent of any proven wrongdoing and the trials will prove that. It's about saving Bush's reputation, not protecting American citizens.

          Howard Dean Forever and a Day

          by CarolDuhart on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 10:07:51 AM PST

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  •  We have an unused jail in Portland... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...that would be perfect for the Guantanamo detainees.

    As for "liberal judges", anyone who isn't a Kool-Aid-drinking Federalist Society member is a "liberal".

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 09:02:13 AM PST

  •  The "SuperMax" in Florence, Colorado (6+ / 0-)

    is the perfect destination point for the inmates at Guantanamo who are eventually convicted of a crime.

    It's remote, it's the most secure prison in the U.S., if not the world, inmates are held in solitary confinement and are not permitted to communicate with each other, and it sits amidst a complex of prison operations which include USP Florence - a high security federal prison housing 1,055 prisoners, FCI Florence - a medium security federal correctional institute housing 1,210 prisoners, FPC Florence - a minimum security federal prison camp housing 391 prisoners, and USP ADMAX Florence - the Supermax facility which houses 462 prisoners.

    The difficulty with utilizing the Supermax for prisoners awaiting trial is that it isn't designed as a detention center, its purpose is to warehouse prisoners, most of whom are serving life sentences.

    Detention centers typically accommodate a lot of traffic, as inmates are held only during the period from their arrest until post conviction when they're transferred to permanent facilities. They have to incorporate visiting rooms, rooms for attorney visits, and security operations that can handle an influx of non-correctional facility personnel.

    The challenge will be to find a facility capable of accommodating the inmates until their trial dates.

    "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." JFK - January 20, 1961

    by rontun on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 09:14:37 AM PST

  •  they all have valid concerns (2+ / 0-)
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    reddbierd, COkdub

    They've watched the same documentary that I've seen on what could potentially happen!

  •  It shouldn't be that hard to create a facility (1+ / 0-)
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    COkdub

    That can serve until after the trials. How many unused shopping centers we have now on the outskirts of town that can be converted into a temporary facility? How about some unused military base that can be upgraded?

    These prisoners have far fewer contacts here than the average drug kingpin.

    Howard Dean Forever and a Day

    by CarolDuhart on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 10:02:06 AM PST

  •  I saw a released ter'rist panhandling on a corner (1+ / 0-)
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    His hair was perfect.

  •  Great diary. (1+ / 0-)
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    COkdub

    I'm a Colorado native;  my Dad worked for 18 years at the State Pen.  My Dad utterly rocks my world.  At the age of 83 he is one of the coolest people I know, sharp as a freaking tack, more intelligent than anyone I've ever met, and my biggest fan on the planet.  I wouldn't hesitate to have him work on these guys (he's a retired health care professional) nor would he hesitate to do so himself.  

    I a proud of my fellow Coloradoans who work at Super Max.  If any of the Gitmo prisoners are proven to be Actual Bad People, sure...send them here.

    Easy for me to say since I don't work in the penal system, but I grew up in a community of people who did.  They have ALL my respect.  

    Hard core Christian and hard core liberal...not an illogical combination at all.

    by penny8611 on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 11:32:00 AM PST

    •  neat! (0+ / 0-)

      My uncle used to run food service for Supermax a few years back.  It takes a special person to work with the worst of the worst.


      Never argue with an idiot... They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

      by COkdub on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 11:39:08 AM PST

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