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Diary titled changed by author on advice from thoughtful poster Quicksilver 2723 from the divisive (Screwing the Troops: Obama makes it a Bi-Partisan Effort)to something a little less dickish.

For 8 years George W. Bush and Republicans betrayed the men and women of the US Military with VA budget cuts, underfunding for vital armor and armored vehicles and by failing to provide a cohesive plan or strategy to execute the occupation of Iraq. There was the denial of the Insurgency and the marginalizing of PTSD and Traumatic Brain Injury by Bush pentagoners and civilian staff.

With the election on Novermber 4 of Barack Obama many military members felt that some of the most egregious issues facing our military could and would be solved. The Democratic Party under the leadership of President Obama faced an incredible opportunity to win the hearts and minds of one of the most loyal republican constituencies by merely doing the right thing.

And indeed much right has been done, PTSD recognized and more $$$ allotted to help screen and treat it. Funding for TBI screening, treatment and research as ben promised.

Unfortunately the opportunity to court this constituency along with the moral high ground is about to be thrown away.

The White House plan(not yet adopted) to privatize veterans health insurance is a mistake of monumental proportions.

From the Kansas City Star;

The Obama administration is considering a plan to make veterans use private insurance to pay for treatment of combat and service-related injuries.

The proposal would be an about-face on what veterans think is a longstanding pledge to pay for health-care costs that result from their military service.

In a White House meeting Monday, veterans groups apparently failed to persuade President Barack Obama to take the plan off the table.

Merely floating such an idea has already started a snowball rolling that will damage Obama's credibility with military families and give the zealots at Fox News and the RNC a rallying point. This is an incredible political blunder.

"It’s a betrayal," said Joe Violante, legislative director of Disabled American Veterans, which signed the letter to Obama. "My insurance company didn’t send me to Vietnam. My government did. The same holds true for men and women now fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. It’s the government’s responsibility."

It is up to veterans and civilians alike who supported Obama to drag his administration back from this cliff and secure the benefits that were guaranteed to servicemen and women who fight for our liberties and for our security.

Contact President Obama at;

Tell the President "NO" on Privatizing Veteran's Health Insurance

Here is the link the full story in the Kansas City Star;

Kansas City Star Article

Originally posted to comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:45 PM PDT.

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  •  most insurance (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    comeinpbrstreetgang, soms

    has clauses exempting war and warlike actions anyways,
    so, i would expect health insurance carriers to immediately
    add that as a refusal.

    Besides, the VA is going to spend a fortune trying to get
    money out of the Private insurers, cheaper to just pay for it.

    George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

    by nathguy on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:48:43 PM PDT

  •  I think someone already diaried about this today (4+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, lgmcp, soms, sherijr

    and I think it was debunked.  If I can find the link, I'll add it.

    If you've got time to comment here, you've got time to email a Letter to the Editor and counteract republican framing of issues. DO IT!

    by lineatus on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:48:58 PM PDT

    •  Not debunked.... (4+ / 0-)

      Gibbs has now commented on it as one proposal among many. Time to get it off the table.

      "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

      by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:50:49 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's being a bit misinterpreted though (6+ / 0-)

        The VA already requests reimbursement from the vet's private insurer (if they have coverage) to pay for all or part of non-service related care. The proposal is to expand that procedure to cover service related care as well.

        "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

        by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:57:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  That isn't a misinterpretation.... (3+ / 0-)

          It is a complete 180 on the pledge to cover veterans for service related injuries.

          "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

          by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:59:31 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  There has been no mention of not covering (8+ / 0-)

            They are saying that they would bill private insurance (where it exists), as they do now for non-service related.
            A lot of folks are taking the inflammatory rhetoric about this to conclude they will quit providing care unless the vet has insurance. That is not the case.

            "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

            by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:01:46 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  No, I think it's a move to break the backs of (7+ / 0-)

            the insurance companies.

            The VA will treat, as always, but if the vet has insurance then the insurance should pay for non-service related, and now for service-related in some situations.

            I realize people think it's the government reneging on a pledge, but insurance is also supposed to work this way yet it doesn't in this country. If the insurers aren't willing to reform on this issue for vets (they protect the insurance companies as well as you and I) then they'll never reform for non-vets.

            There's no requiring vets to have insurance, just that if they do (though their employer, Medicare, etc.) then the insurer would pay. Seriously, this is a test of whether there is any issue that pre-existing coverage can be provided. If the insurers fight this, then the broader health care options gets a lot clearer.

            Leave it to Republicans to set the house on fire and then rant that the fire department is socialist.

            by johnsonwax on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:08:59 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I hope you're right. (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              comeinpbrstreetgang, George Hier

              I first heard about this on Maddow, and thought it was the biggest turd ever produced by Obama's brilliant mind.

              I couldn't fathom how he might think it was a good idea to put any part of our veteran's care in the hands of the most expensive, inefficient health care industry on the planet.

              I guess I need to learn more about it.

              "We are willing to observe core standards of conduct. Not just when it's easy, but when it's hard." President Barack Hussein Obama

              by platypus60 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:48:49 PM PDT

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              •  It doesn't put their care in their hands (3+ / 0-)
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                Catte Nappe, platypus60, sherijr

                Their care stays in the hands of the VA (FWIW). It's solely an issue of whether the insurer should cover the cost or the taxpayer. That's all. It's nothing more than a billing issue from the VA to the insurer.

                And my guess is that the insurers are denying a shitton of these expenses knowing that the taxpayers will cover everything, just like AIG and Citi took huge risks knowing the taxpayers would cover their asses.

                Leave it to Republicans to set the house on fire and then rant that the fire department is socialist.

                by johnsonwax on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:57:20 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  On the money (0+ / 0-)

                  That last paragraph.

                  I'm seeing vague shadows of a "set up" here, putting insurance companies on the spot over what role they will play with health care reform, pre-existing conditions, etc.

                  "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

                  by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 05:10:42 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

        •  Doesn't sound ethical in that case... (5+ / 0-)

          why should the private insurer cover the injury if it was incurred as a result of their service?

          ...we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.
          -- Pres. Barack H. Obama, Jan. 20, 2009

          by davewill on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:00:23 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  for the same reason that private insurers (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Catte Nappe, sherijr, Susipsych

            cover anything else "covered" under the policy you pay for.  

            personally, i think that when a person has overlapping coverage, that person should be able to choose how to "wield" or utilize their benefits -- if they're lucky enough to have two insurers.

            however, the story cited in the diary makes very clear that some vets (like me!) are not insured by the VA but the VA will provide certain kinds of care under certain conditions (i.e. if I had no insurance).

            In that case, the VA is my back up, not my insurer.
            If I get insurance in the future, the VA shouldn't have to pay for anything covered by the private policy.

            *****

            service related disability is different though.

            *****

            "considering" though isn't the same as "planning."

            Republicans are liars, by deed or proxy. There is no such thing as an honest Republican. Just those who do the dirty work and those who don't.

            by chicago jeff on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:27:20 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  They don't... (1+ / 0-)
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              chicago jeff

              every time one of my kids injures themselves, the insurance provider makes me fill out a form telling them about it so that can try and sue somebody and make them reimburse the medical expenses. It really sucks.

              ...we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.
              -- Pres. Barack H. Obama, Jan. 20, 2009

              by davewill on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:56:17 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  You have not, um, 'screwed' the troops (2+ / 0-)
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        teacherbill, sherijr

        until you have actually done something. Considering a policy that has been put forward is not 'screwing' anyone.

  •  Like a number of other (20+ / 0-)

    ideas -- this one is now being floated as a "trial balloon."  As such, it is a means of getting feedback, which is coming in fast and furious in the negative.  Unlike Bush, Obama is listening to veterans.  At this stage of the game, the tone of this diary is jumping the gun.

    You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. - G.B. Shaw, "Misalliance"

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:49:15 PM PDT

    •  ya think?? (8+ / 0-)

      this diary is jumping the gun

      Wake me up...we won..

      by soms on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:51:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Perhaps so... (4+ / 0-)

       ...but it's more than a little disconcerting to consider that Obama actually thought veterans' groups might welcome this proposal with open arms.

      "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

      by Buzzer on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:51:45 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think any idea (9+ / 0-)

        even if it is potentially dumb is worth floating just for the feedback.  What this could ultimately achieve is additional funding for the VA hospitals.  Lots of great conclusions come from dumb kernals of thought.

        You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. - G.B. Shaw, "Misalliance"

        by gchaucer2 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:57:56 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Proposal already seeks a large increase (4+ / 0-)
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          raster44, soms, sherijr, Susipsych

          President Obama is drawing high praise from veterans' service organizations for proposing a Department of Veterans Affairs budget that would exceed by $1.3 billion what even VSOs suggested be spent next year.

          Obama's VA budget outline, with full details promised by late April, would raise VA spending to $112.8 billion in the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1. That's an increase of $15 billion, or 15 percent, over the current budget.

          http://www.military.com/...

          "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

          by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:17:06 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  thanks (0+ / 0-)

               It amazes me how people jump the gun on this President.All of a sudden he's a piece of shit who doesnt care about vets even though the increased funding seems to show his commitment.Sometimes I really think we deserved McCain.Then you would have something to bitch about.Va funding ,go fuck yourself.Gay rights,yeah right.How about a nice war with Iran?Fuck healthcare for children.The only chips I care about are in Vegas.Dont like the lack of prosecutions that Obama never promised in the first place? Mccain's AG,like the last one, wouldnt have even served Rove or Myers.Cheney still wouldnt be prosecuted but not because Mccain was worried about getting healthcare or the stimulas through.He would just ignore both.He's not exactly worried about the poor.Obama seems to actully care about the working class and poor if you take his work in Chicagos southside at face value.He deserves better from his friends and enemies,in my oppionion.

            Ive thought about how I defend the President on pretty much everything as oppossed to BClinton who I liked but disagreed with at times.I do recognise the need to speak YOUR(I havent been upset except w/the Lieb decision) mind and even get pissed at Obama at times but the degree of rancor towards Obama found here at times is uncalled for.

            Other than Barackobama.com this is still easily my favorite site and the people I respect the most,even if you get my BP up at times.My wife had a poster on her dorm room wall in 1980 that said happiness is wanting what you have,not having what you want.Maybe it applies here,I dont know.

      •  Or... (3+ / 0-)
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        sherlyle, George Hier, soms

        That anybody would choose 'private insurance' over a government run program.  

        The GOP has a choice: change or die. It appears that they have chosen 'Die'. Bully for them.

        by RichM on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:05:31 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I would say.... (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      RichM, teacherbill, George Hier, tnproud2b

      this is a really toxic and morally wrong trial balloon to float. Politically its about the dumbest thing you can do besides being seen having a drink with an AIG exec.

      "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

      by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:52:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  ..Just like Taxing HHs on Health Care Benefits (4+ / 0-)
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      lgmcp, George Hier, tnproud2b, soms

      I imagine that this is like the other trial balloon, taxing HHs earning less than US$ 250K on their health care benefits, after mocking that very same proposal when it came from McCain.

      President Obama wants to be re-elected, and taxing health care benefits will ensure defeat.

      It would be the largest tax increase on the middle class, ever.

      Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. http://www1.hamiltonproject.org/es/hamilton/hamilton_hp.htm

      by PatriciaVa on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:57:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Well, let's be fair, here. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      comeinpbrstreetgang, tnproud2b, soms

      I know we're supposed to be a partisan website, but do you think you'd apply that same level of scrutiny to a Republican "trial balloon", or would we jump to call a bad idea a bad idea?

      That being said, Cat Nappe's comments here are helping fill in some of the details, and it's certainly a less transparently bad idea as the diarist suggests.  But I'm under no illusions that the "everything is on the table" defense works for anyone except our own guys, as far as internet outrage goes.

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:07:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Lets get on the phone and Fax and stop this thing (0+ / 0-)

    now before it negatively impacts vets and this administration.

    "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

    by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:49:45 PM PDT

  •  diary title needlessly incendiary (11+ / 0-)

    Obama doesn't take stuff off tables. He has everybody put all their stuff on the table so it can all be seen, debated, refined, etc. Chill out- He's got it covered.

    friend good, fire bad.

    by ericlewis0 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:51:22 PM PDT

    •  Blind faith? (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      George Hier, tnproud2b

      Naaaah...I don't think so.

      "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

      by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:53:53 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  what are you suggesting? n/t (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        UncleCharlie, soms

        friend good, fire bad.

        by ericlewis0 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:59:04 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  That you not have blind faith..... (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          George Hier, tnproud2b

          "He's got it covered."

          "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

          by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:00:26 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  my faith in Obama (6+ / 0-)

            is based on past performance. Thus far, he has shown agile competence beyond my wildest expectations.

            friend good, fire bad.

            by ericlewis0 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:03:54 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  The man himself said.... (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              George Hier, tnproud2b

              to keep his feet to the fire. Don't get lazy. Constructive criticism never hurt anyone.

              "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

              by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:06:32 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  So, what part of... (4+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                bonesy, artmartin, sherijr, ericlewis0

                "Screwing the troops" and equating Obama to the republican cabal is constructive?

                You certainly have the 'criticism' part down.

                --
                Plot your political compass scores at KosCompass

                by Hatamoto on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:48:18 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  I say read the diary and not just the title.... (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  George Hier, tnproud2b

                  I make clear distinctions. However we cant let him fuck this up...too important.

                  "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                  by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:49:41 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  To be honest... (2+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    artmartin, ericlewis0

                    ... your article very nearly wants me to work in direct opposition to you. You, personally. Your approach and style has made me pretty much entirely and instantly anti- whatever you're after, in the manner of thinking of "Well, if this guy hates it, it has to be good."

                    Seriously reconsider your style of approach. You claim it works in other forums, my suggestion then is to keep it to those forums where it does, and work out a new strategy for where it doesn't.

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                    by Hatamoto on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:53:03 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  So your a style over substance guy.... (0+ / 0-)

                      okay.

                      I suggest you seriously reconsider your drivers, I will in all seriousness work on improving my style.

                      "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                      by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:55:33 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  I'm both. (3+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        bonesy, lenzy1000, ericlewis0

                        Welcome to a world where both style and substance is important.

                        In your case, it's neither. There's no "there" there. It's a suggestion. There's not a plan, nor even any details of a plan. It's a "What if...".

                        You really need to relax.

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                        by Hatamoto on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:58:13 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Okay its just a plan.... (0+ / 0-)

                          tell me Hata...exactly when is the right moment to act.

                          "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                          by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 04:00:56 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  It's not even a plan. It's an idea. (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            sherijr, ericlewis0

                            I've yet to see even a HINT of detail on this health care apocalypse that will leave kittens homeless, or whatever.

                            How's about tailoring the response to the situation, something like:

                            Idea:
                            They say: "Hey, here's an idea, how about xxx?"
                            You say: "No, I don't like it. Don't do that."

                            Plan:
                            They say: "I really like idea xxxx and here's how we can do it."
                            You say: "Idea xxxx is a terrible idea. Here's why. Other people will agree that it's a terrible idea, and here they are."

                            Nearing Implementation:
                            They say: "We're going to make xxxx a reality. Drawn up a bill, hired people, policy implemented, yadda yadda. Enjoy!"
                            You say: "I'm going to do everything possible to stop this, mobilize every resource."

                            Implemented:
                            They say: "Isn't xxxx great? No need to thank us."
                            You say: ... nothing, cuz you're out protesting it on the street.

                            Right now, you're reacting somewhere between "plan" and "nearing implementation" when they're at "idea". That makes the tenor of the article shrill to say the least.

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                            by Hatamoto on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 04:19:51 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Wow thanks.... (0+ / 0-)

                            What we really needed was a set of rules of engagement. Nice work Hata!

                            "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                            by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 05:31:00 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

      •  Are you a vet? (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        artmartin

        I am.. my last appointment with my doctor at the VA clinic was this past thursday- my medications come from the VA.  It is in fact the only medical care/insurance I personally have. And..
        I am not concerned about this idea- in fact the one thing I absolutely do believe about President Obama is his undivided determination to do ALL that he possibly can to see that our troops and our vets are provided for fairly.  You wanna call that blind following?  go for it.  

        Because our individual salvation depends on our collective salvation.. Barack Obama, 5-25-08

        by sherijr on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 04:38:33 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Can't hurt to tell him this is a REALLY bad (6+ / 0-)

      idea. It might even help him. When the insurance companies complain, he can point to the overwhelmingly negative response.

      ...we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.
      -- Pres. Barack H. Obama, Jan. 20, 2009

      by davewill on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:58:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Agreed, but why the dickish diary title? n/t (4+ / 0-)
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        UncleCharlie, bonesy, soms, sherijr

        friend good, fire bad.

        by ericlewis0 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:05:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Cuz I have a propensity towards retaliatory..... (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          George Hier, tnproud2b

          dickishnessin the face of monumentally dickish moves that have the potential to screw vets.

          "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

          by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:09:33 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  how's that working out for ya? n/t (6+ / 0-)

            friend good, fire bad.

            by ericlewis0 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:11:01 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  So far pretty good everywhere but.... (0+ / 0-)

              DKos. Not surprisingly.

              "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

              by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:12:21 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  IAVA coming out against this (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                comeinpbrstreetgang, George Hier

                IAVA on Maddow

                From their letter to WH:
                "There is simply no logical explanation for billing a veteran’s personal insurance for care that the VA has a responsibility to provide."

                It is stupid for Obama to even propose/consider/entertain/tinker with/float this. And the outrage isn't all right wing groups, it is the veterans themselves.

                Sorry but the kool aid ain't working on me for this one.

                •  Absolutely.... (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  George Hier, tnproud2b

                  I don't get the idea that since Obama is now in power we should all assume the best intentions and smiley puppy outcomes.

                  Shit...the man himself said to hold his feet to the fire and that to be a great president it would be up to the people to make him one.

                  "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                  by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:48:28 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

              •  We've become innoculated... (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                ericlewis0

                ... to people acting like loudmouthed douchebags, perhaps.

                --
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                by Hatamoto on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:49:12 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  No dude... (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  tnproud2b

                  this is ground zero for kool aid drinking.

                  "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                  by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:51:46 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Riiiight (3+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    artmartin, sherijr, ericlewis0

                    My lips are purple with how much I'm sooooo in support of Obama. You know, what with my not even being a US citizen and all, and therefore everything happening there being of paramount importance to me. ::rolleyes::

                    Startin' to smell more and more like a troll with each comment. You dislike a suggested plan with no details so you've filled in a bunch of blanks and hate the details you've filled it in with. Being incendiary about it here without at least SOME basis in fact isn't going to win you any points.

                    Unless your point is... well, what is your point, exactly? All I've seen is ZOMG DO NOT WANT with nothing else.

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                    by Hatamoto on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:57:09 PM PDT

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                    •  Like I said before.... (0+ / 0-)

                      read the diary and the comments. f you don't like the tite cover it with a finger but above all calm down. like you said it doesn't really matter to you...roll eyes and all

                      "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                      by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:59:04 PM PDT

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                      •  Read it. Still think it's douchey. (2+ / 0-)
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                        As is the suggestion that anyone who disagrees with the presentation is a "kool aid drinker".

                        If not for your article history, I'd have pegged you as troll. As it is, you look like someone more or less ordinary, but with an ass full of fire over some meaningless minutiae at the moment.

                        And sir, I assure you, I'm perfectly calm. I didn't, after all, write a chicken-little-esqe diary about TEH END OF TEH WORLDZ.

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                        by Hatamoto on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 04:02:43 PM PDT

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                        •  Wow for a calm guy... (1+ / 0-)
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                          you sure trot out the personal attacks.

                          "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                          by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 04:03:54 PM PDT

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                          •  As the troll fits, bridge it. (2+ / 0-)
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                            Perhaps you need to be in a lather to label someone's behaviour as trollish... for me, it's a pretty straightforward logical thing. When someone:

                            a) Takes something random
                            b) Gets really, really agitated about it, assigns evil thoughts and deeds to people based on that agitation
                            c) Calls other people names like "kool-aid drinker" if they don't agree with you

                            Then that's a troll post. Looks like a troll, sounds like a troll, smells like a troll.

                            Are YOU a troll? That remains to be determined. Your post history would suggest otherwise, but the jury is still out.

                            But this article? Oh yeah. Trollish.

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                            by Hatamoto on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 04:09:50 PM PDT

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                          •  Sounds like the one doing the assuming (0+ / 0-)

                            is you.

                            Chop logic is no substitute for the real thing.

                            "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                            by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 05:32:54 PM PDT

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              •  Oh no, my ideas don't get criticized on other (3+ / 0-)
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                websites, must mean DKos is baaaaaad.  Why bother posting if this site is so horrible?

                •  No criticism is fine..... (1+ / 0-)
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                  I just don't like when someone says...."oh don't worry Obama has it handled".

                  Thats not criticism.....thats just dumb. If a policy is flawed, slap it, don't worry about the author. in Obama's case at least he appreciates holding his feet to the fire.

                  "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                  by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:53:50 PM PDT

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                  •  how about this, (2+ / 0-)
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                    "oh don't worry" President "Obama has it handled."
                    comeinpbrstreetgang, everyone here has their own opinion, myself included and also you. Let anyone and everyone express their opinion towards President Obama. I for one feel he will handle it but I choose to call him President.
                    Arguing over this is not debating the substance of your diary and getting no where. Peace

                    *a hundred years from now, the future may be different because I was important in the life of a child*

                    by bonesy on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 04:40:10 PM PDT

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                    •  How about... (1+ / 0-)
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                      I was quoting someone or paraphrasing...but thanks etiquette police....sheesh.

                      Obama doesn't take stuff off tables. He has everybody put all their stuff on the table so it can all be seen, debated, refined, etc. Chill out- He's got it covered.

                      "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                      by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 05:35:07 PM PDT

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                      •  I am not part of the etiquette police, (1+ / 0-)
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                        my comment was meant to bring Peace, nothing else. I respect your right to your comments. I am sorry you got offended, again my comment was meant to bring peace, nothing else.

                        *a hundred years from now, the future may be different because I was important in the life of a child*

                        by bonesy on Wed Mar 18, 2009 at 01:39:05 PM PDT

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                        •  What it looks like is that (0+ / 0-)

                          you want Obama only reffered to as President Obama.

                          I don't agree with you. I voted for the guy and I respect the man but if you want to make a bone about the proper etiquette of titles you are addressing the wrong guy. I don't go in for the pomp and circumstance of the office and the title doesn't earn the respect the man does and the man is Obama.

                          Feel free to disagree (obviously) but first make a case as to why I should respect a title before asking me to adhere to your opinion. Who knows I might just end up agreeing with you.

                          "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                          by comeinpbrstreetgang on Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 10:58:52 AM PDT

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                          •  I refer to him as President Obama, (0+ / 0-)

                            you may refer to him how ever you want. Peace to you.

                            *a hundred years from now, the future may be different because I was important in the life of a child*

                            by bonesy on Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 02:22:48 PM PDT

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                          •  Thanks for your blessing... (0+ / 0-)

                            "you may refer to him..."

                            words matter bonesy

                            "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

                            by comeinpbrstreetgang on Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 05:07:38 PM PDT

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                          •  Why so argumentative , you know I wasn't (0+ / 0-)

                            giving you "your blessing" you know you have your own right to say what you want here. I've tried to offer you an olive branch, but you just keep whipping it back at me. This will be my last comment to you, for now. I hold no grudge against you and look forward to reading your comments or diaries in the future. Peace.

                            *a hundred years from now, the future may be different because I was important in the life of a child*

                            by bonesy on Fri Mar 20, 2009 at 02:42:38 PM PDT

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  •  How dare he (8+ / 0-)

    consider all options.

  •  I don't get this one at all (5+ / 0-)

    Inserting peoples shitty private insurance, and the red tape and restrictions that come with it, into the middle sounds like it will create a lot of headaches.

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    by sgilman on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:53:10 PM PDT

  •  Has anyone thought about the fact (10+ / 0-)

    that they're putting this out there so the reforms they actually want don't seem as bad, thereby enhancing their negotiating stance?

    Just a thought...

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    by WorkingClassHero on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 02:56:05 PM PDT

  •  Does anybody know (3+ / 0-)
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    exactly what the proposal is and why? I just looked through about a dozen articles and couldn't find any facts, they only talked about the outrage.

    The only thing I did see was a line from Obama talking about how veterans pay premiums for private insurance while getting little to nothing for it.

    Why are veterans getting private insurance if they are covered by us?

    •  See Catte Nappe's comments upthread. (3+ / 0-)
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      Wake me up...we won..

      by soms on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:01:51 PM PDT

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    •  An overview (minus outrage) (10+ / 0-)

      President Obama is drawing high praise from veterans' service organizations for proposing a Department of Veterans Affairs budget that would exceed by $1.3 billion what even VSOs suggested be spent next year.

      No president before ever offered a VA spending plan that surpassed in size the "Independent Budget" presented to Congress by major veterans groups.

      Obama's VA budget outline, with full details promised by late April, would raise VA spending to $112.8 billion in the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1. That's an increase of $15 billion, or 15 percent, over the current budget.

      The plan allows the VA health care system to enroll up to 550,000 new Priority Group 8 veterans by 2013. These are veterans who have no service-connected ailments and have incomes deemed adequate based on family size and geographic location. The total for new enrollees includes 266,000 Group 8 veterans already slated to enroll in VA health system starting this summer under a funding initiative Congress passed last fall.

      VA already taps "third party" insurance plans for treatment of non-service-related conditions. Collections in fiscal 2008 totaled $2.4 billion. VA expects to college $2.5 billion this year. The total could jump to $3 billion next year if care of service-connected conditions are included.

      Shinseki emphasized that this is only "a consideration" and not yet part of Obama's budget request.

      http://www.military.com/...

      The one "bad" piece has flaws, that's for sure. However, talks are ongoing and Obama's team has asked for suggestions on where else to get the money. I encountered one quote (can't find the link) that said the VA has been less than diligent in billing for non-service related care that they should already have been getting, as well.

      "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

      by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:13:54 PM PDT

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      •  Catte.... (0+ / 0-)

        I see alot of talk about what the diary isn't about and not much about what it is.

        What do you think the implications are if service related injuries for instance, amputation due to gunshot or PTSD or TBI will be for service members.

        Keep in mind that private insurers are very inexperienced in these kinds of extremely costly injuries, have coverage caps and arein the business of denying payment for care...thats how they make a profit.

        "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

        by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:20:04 PM PDT

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        •  What I think (8+ / 0-)

          This one element of the overall plan is a bad idea. From my reading so far it seems quite likely the idea is being floated to provide a kick start to discuss other kinds of approaches.

          During the meeting, Obama said that he would not institute service-connected billing of third-party insurance companies if it would ultimately hurt veterans in any way. To which King responded with several major issues AMVETS has discovered while investigating the potential impact of the new policy.

          "One of AMVETS' chief concerns is that this proposal could have a detrimental effect on veterans' insurance premiums and in turn lessen their appeal to prospective employers," said King. "Additionally, if the increased financial burden causes the veteran to reach his or her insurance cap, this could create additional health care accessibility issues not only for the veteran, but for his or her family as well."

          "If the VA took full advantage of policies already in place to bill veterans for routine health care, this new proposal wouldn't even be an issue," said King.

          King went on to say he looks forward to working with the White House to develop a realistic solution to VA budget issues, without placing the financial burden on service-connected veterans, and that AMVETS remains dedicated to finding other ways for the VA to sustain itself financially, while continuing to provide timely and sufficient care to veterans.

          http://www.prweb.com/...

          See also excerpts and links in other comments about the "good" parts of the proposal - like a 15% increase in overall budget.

          "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

          by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:27:18 PM PDT

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          •  I am with you.... (2+ / 0-)
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            on the 85% good stuff. However i think this 15% part could submarine the whole kit and kaboodle. Even if it is just a trial balloon why would Obama throw the repubs a political bone like this to gnaw on when they were doing such a good job of moping towards insignificance?

            "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

            by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:31:24 PM PDT

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          •  Catte, (3+ / 0-)
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            thanks for the info you've contributed here. You're doin' better than Rachel Maddow did last night as far as giving information.

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            by platypus60 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 04:19:24 PM PDT

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            •  Alas, the woe with almost all TV-based news (4+ / 0-)

              ... is that there generally isn't enough time to really dig deep into issues and work out all the different aspects. Print media is much better for going down the wonk hole.

              Seconded on the props for Catte. Thanks for providing some meat to this otherwise thin gruel.

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              by Hatamoto on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 04:29:16 PM PDT

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            •  Thanks for the props (1+ / 0-)
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              This issue is clearly a work in progress, and my Google finds had the benefit of some time for people to formulate reactions that weren't on the radar when Rachel reported. I'm sure she'll continue to do her usual excellent work as new ideas and responses emerge.

              "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

              by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 05:01:03 PM PDT

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    •  It is to make.... (0+ / 0-)

      some service related injuries billable to private insurance. Thus privatizing service related care. It doesn't mean that care would not be provided it just means that the servicemember would be in the commercial market for his service related injury care.

      This could drive up premiums for service members, make it harder for them to find insurance at all and cast them into a morass of red tape while trying to sort out coverage for their servce related injury.

      "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

      by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:16:08 PM PDT

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      •  Hang on a minute (4+ / 0-)
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        It's the VA that has to untangle the billing red tape. They provide the care, as always. Then they see if they can recoup come of the cost from the vet's private coverage (if he has any at all).

        Downsides, true. Two biggies being: 1. most often the private coverage is employer sponsored, and employers would be more reluctant to hire a vet with any medical issues. 2. With many service related injuries the private coverage life time caps could be exceeded in no time.

        What it isn't, though, is "privatizing". That would mean the VA will no longer provide any care or coverage; and that isn't what they are suggesting at all.

        "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

        by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:21:27 PM PDT

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        •  Catte... (0+ / 0-)

          Never said that they wouldn't provide care. Solets drop that meme. I don't assert it so stop trying to talk me out of it.

          Now to the meat;
          VA doesn't always provide care. Often care is provided by non-VA facilities because of scarcity of resources or urgency of the care needed.

          What often happens in this case is (copied from my comment below);

          The more common result of coordination of benefits is that the gov pays their part then the private insurer wrangles indefinitely over their part. Harassing phone calls for payment by the provider begin, some pay out of fear for their credit worthiness and many get mored in fighting the private insurer and provider with scant VA resources available to helpout.

          "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

          by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:26:04 PM PDT

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    •  That's all there seems to be lately (6+ / 0-)
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      lots and lots of outrage, without many facts.
      I wish folks would chill just a bit.

      •  I have also noted (5+ / 0-)
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        Most of the outrage is emerging in coverage from decidedly right wing blogs, media and organizations.

        "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

        by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:22:37 PM PDT

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        •  No its coming from the veterans. (3+ / 0-)

          The right is just pretending to be our friends with faux outrage. Which is another reason why is such a bad idea. I'm Iraq vet but I'm far from right-wing (Hell, I live in San Francisco and am proud of my "San Francisco" values). I supported and organized for Veterans for Obama. But this idea is stupid, divisive and just gives right-wing schmucks more fodder.

          To be clear this is a bad idea that Obama needs to drop quick, fast and in a hurry. It's bad juju on sooo many levels.

          •  Feedback loops (0+ / 0-)

            Those faux friends, though, are the ones most likely to be posting "Obama won't budge" headlines, and covering only the worst of the proposal. Other, less strident, voices are pointing out that the discussions are still continuing, that parts of the budget are good and Obama is hearing from them the "terrible, horrible, no good, very bad" downside of this particular element.
            Are veterans hearing and reacting to the former, or the latter?

            "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

            by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 05:07:46 PM PDT

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  •  Coordination of Benefits (2+ / 0-)
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    is a common practice--it always occurs! It is mostly out of the sight or concern of the patient, and almost never costs the recipient a dime.

    I can't see where changing coordination of benefits procedures would "screw" a veteran. Now understand, I believe our current procedures for vets are scandalous, and that the Bush administration deliberately screwed that process up to minimize the disability rates from the war. This has nothing to do with that.

    But to call coordinating benefits "screwing veterans" doesn't make sense to me. If done appropriately and quickly, it might even be better, because the vet could get the service he needed immediately, and let the insurance company and VA decide the ultimate split of the bill out of sight of the hero.

    •  Good scenario but it doesn't often work out that (2+ / 0-)
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      way.

      The more common result of coordination of benefits is that the gov pays their part then the private insurer wrangles indefinitely over their part. Harassing phone calls for payment by the provider begin, some pay out of fear for their credit worthiness and many get mored in fighting the private insurer and provider with scant VA resources available to helpout.

      "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

      by comeinpbrstreetgang on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:22:55 PM PDT

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      •  I've lived through Millions of these fights (4+ / 0-)
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        I'm watching Fox flare this issue, and I still don't see the big problem IF the bills were paid up front and the negotiation occurred behind the scenes after the fact.

        Fox is saying people won't hire vets if they think the cost of their treatment will affect their health insurance ratings. That's illegal, for what it's worth.

        The real test will be if the changes are invisible to the recipient, and ultimately faster than today.

  •  I gotta tell you (0+ / 0-)

    My wingnut friends head is going to explode over this one...

  •  So is shrapnel a pre existing condition? (3+ / 0-)
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    by WorkingClassHero on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:22:00 PM PDT

    •  That's the question. (3+ / 0-)

      I seriously doubt the insurer would be asked to pay for the treatment from the shrapnel, but if 30 years later the vet develops arthritis possibly because of that injury, the insurers would likely deny payment. That's exactly the kind of situation that I see the VA going to the insurer and saying 'pay up'.

      Is it a pre-existing condition? The insurer would say yes. I think almost everyone else would say no because there is no way to directly link the two, and because so much time as passed. And it's easy to deny the claim because the insurer knows that the taxpayer will pick up the tab.

      Leave it to Republicans to set the house on fire and then rant that the fire department is socialist.

      by johnsonwax on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:47:14 PM PDT

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    •  According to VA bureaucrats... (2+ / 0-)
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      No, Its not pre-existing but it's also not service-connected. The Fckrs.

      http://www.cnn.com/...

      •  You know... (1+ / 0-)
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        we know this shit went on under Bush. We had a whole inquiry into it. Obama has pledged to fix these things with Shinseki. There's really nothing to be gained by dredging up past known failures and attaching them to the people proposing improvements.

        You want to hear about the time my grandmother was told that her injury from when she was serving on a troop ship that came under fire in WWII wasn't combat related until she fought it for a month? How dare Obama not accept the blame for the failures of the Truman administration!

        Leave it to Republicans to set the house on fire and then rant that the fire department is socialist.

        by johnsonwax on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:51:48 PM PDT

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        •  dude I'm not talking about Obama... (0+ / 0-)

          I'm talking about VA bureaucrats. Of course Obama thinks shit like this is bullsh*t.

          Moreover, things haven't miraculously turned around with Obama as President. And not becuase he doesn't want to but because there's only so much he can do and with the VA resisting change no shit we can't blame Obama for what is happening at the VA.

          We can criticize the policies of politicians we support you know. Kind of how its possible to support the troops and not the war. Sheesh.

          And by the was, it IS bi-partisan. The VA wasn't all rosy for Vietnam or Gulf War vets at the VA under Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton or Bush.

          Focus bro. Focus.

          •  you focus and I'll try to proofread :-p n/t (0+ / 0-)
            •  Heh (0+ / 0-)

              But how the administration pays for treatment has NOTHING to do with the kind of treatment they receive. This whole thing is about who pays, nothing else.

              I'm fine criticizing Obama and Dems. I'm being slow on Obama because he's tackled a lot in a short time and we're going to have to be patient on some things, but I'm seeing a lot of smoke here and no fire. As for the VA situation, there's no question they'll get some things wrong on first pass and even sometimes on 2nd pass. What I'm not seeing in these snap reports on care is whether the VA corrected their problem or not - and in Ty's case they did, and they likely would have even without the CNN story.

              There are almost 300,000 VA employees. They are a massive organization serving a substantial percentage of the population. There is no question that they're going to get things wrong every day. It's not even a question of an ineffective organization, just the law of large number rearing its head. Put a hundred 3,000 employee health care organizations together and I bet they'd screw up as much as the VA. And let's give some credit for Tammy being tapped to head IL VA and Shinseki of VA overall. That's pretty damn promising, if you ask me.

              Leave it to Republicans to set the house on fire and then rant that the fire department is socialist.

              by johnsonwax on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 06:33:03 PM PDT

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      •  This is bull shit... (0+ / 0-)

        the VA raters made errors probably on side-suggestions from administrators to delay or reject claims under Bush. Any Vets service officier would take care of these easily. The rules and rates are all laid out in black and white.

  •  The VA already pays private practitioners (2+ / 0-)
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    to provide treatment in outlying area's.  My father in law get's his hearing aid's (VA issued) cleaned and serviced at a private practice becuase he lives more than 50 miles from the VA center.  Same for routine medical in alot of cases.

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    by Reetz on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:23:23 PM PDT

  •  It's my understanding that Shinseki is in favor (3+ / 0-)

    of this as well...I think it's an interesting proposal, it could be a bargaining chip to get the private insurance industry to acquiesce on healthcare reform. I understand that most, if not all of the major vet organizations hate this idea, so I'm not sure how far the Administration's going to take it, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Gibbs sidestep that it's one of many proposals sounds awfully similar to his response to entitlement reform a few weeks ago. Right now, I think it's much ado about nothing. I hope I don't end up eating those words some time in the near future.

    When Republicans win, everyone else loses.

    by skigrl84 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:37:05 PM PDT

  •  Sorry but... (4+ / 0-)

    Screwing the Troops is a Bi-Partisan Effort. Uh, gulf war syndrome was just declared a legitimate condition. This after FOUR presidential terms (not even counting Bush Sr.). None of this is new and both political parties have shortchanged veterans. In 2000 Bush inherited a claims backlog on nearly 400,000 disability claims. http://www.va.gov/...

    And yeah this diary has a dickish title but this is absolutely a dickish idea to "float."

    Luckily those who know the game called Obama out on this idea.
    Bob Filner, Chairman of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs released this statement about an hour or so ago.

    Billing Our Heroes: It’s DOA!
    "The Obama Administration’s proposal to charge ‘third-party’ insurance companies for service-connected medical treatment will not be taken up by the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.  Our budget cannot be balanced on the backs (or legs, or kidneys, or hearts) of our nation’s combat-wounded heroes.  We believe we can achieve the Administration’s budget request (the first in history to actually exceed the recommendation of the veterans’ Independent Budget) in other ways."  

    All this said, Obama is a friend of veterans. I glad he's our president and not John McCain, but this was a stupid idea and he should be called on it. Sheesh.

  •  PRESIDENT OBAMA (2+ / 0-)
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    is all i ask.  stop with the obama fuckery.  thanks

  •  I left comments at the site.. (2+ / 0-)
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    raster44, Ernie1812

    It is being reported that President Obama is considering a plan to privatize veterans' insurance benefits.   If this is part of a larger effort to improve access to better healthcare to veterans, the message is clearly failing to persuade veterans themselves who say it was their country who sent them to war not insurance companies.  There is a perception that the privatization of government committments to the People hasn't worked out well.  My son serves in the Army.  As his mother, I want to know that the benefits he earned will be secure.  

    He received almost no medical care from 2003-2007 for his injuries.  His healthcare access improved after Democrats regained the majority in Congress, and he was rehabilitated enough to resume his Army career and is now deployed in Afghanistan.  In 2005 and 2006, my concern was that I would lose him not to an IED in Iraq or Afghanistan, but to depression brought about by his protracted humiliation, being suspended in a world where pain foreclosed all opportunities for improvement in the Army or in civilian life and his inability to afford healthcare access.  

    His story was not unique.  But he put his life on the line, was redeployed in 2005 running high fever, high blood pressure, and unimagineable pain to Iraq.  I know of no one would report to work with such symptoms in civilian life.  

    All I'm asking here is for assurance that our veterans will not be shortchanged again on the benefits they earned.  These are not welfare programs, not entitlement programs.  It is difficult to understand why we would trust insurance industries to perform committments by our government with any degree of competency after the last eight years.  

    Thank you.
    XXXXXXXXXX

  •  a request.. (3+ / 0-)

    I recommended this diary because it's an important issue despite my initial aversion to the title.

    Would the diarist consider editing the title of the diary?  Like maybe:  President Obama, Don't Compromise Veterans' Healthcare...?

    I do not believe President Obama is screwing the troops -- yet.  If and when that day comes, I'd be the first to say it myself and probably slap  bumperstickers on my vehicles in denouncement.

  •  I look forward to Obama (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    comeinpbrstreetgang, Ernie1812

    stepping back from this.   Anything less will be very disappointing.   And the list of disappointments is growing.

  •  Obama probably just wants to feel out (0+ / 0-)

    his opposition and get them to takes sides on this issue. Seems I heard something floated around last year from Bush administration regarding this. The Repubs and Service organizations (American Legion...esp.) outrage to this proposal will make it easier to set up a good and equitable system for Vets under Obama. Now that Obama has the Vets organizations behind him it sure gives him a HUGE clout to take on Congress and provide the care that Bush should undertaken from the beginning of his Iraq fiasco.

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