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I have become sort of fascinated by the rightwing tizzy about phosphate detergent control (Redstate direct link for authentic goodness)

Washington State has turned its residents into a group of drug runners — crossing state lines to buy dish washer detergent with phosphate.

At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator’s house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?

Why does this man, Eric the Redneck, feel this way?

I'll tell ya.

Because for 30 goddamned years we have had rightwing talk radio blasting people who will listen - and a lot of people listen - with a non-stop hate-infused tirade against "liberals". The word has become a baseball bat for these peckers.

Now, to make a long rant shorter, they have equated "environmental protections" with Nazism.

I remember the 2004 election with John Kerry. I was never that thrilled by him but he did have/does have some redeeming qualities and I basically think well of him.

At the time, I was still the main news editor for I suppose most people who read this have never heard of, let alone visited this site, but what you probably would NOT expect is that it was then (and remains today) a stoned version of Free Republic. I quit after the election in 2004, tired of fighting those assholes nearly alone. If you think republicans will relegalize your weed, I can't help you.

A couple of them seemed to have this meme that President John Kerry would be "like Hitler". I have always been sort of awe-struck by this hyperbole. (And I like my hyperbole, I am sure you know). So I have ruminated on this for some time.

And I have asked myself ""What would it have been like for John Kerry to be "Hitler"?

First thing that come to mind is that the invasion of Poland would have been MUCH later or would not have occurred at all. John Kerry, as we saw in his 2004 campaign, will be late to his own funeral. He shows no sense of reactive timing - he never responded in a timely manner to all the smears heaped on him. He never retorted like I am certain he can, particularly due to having seen active combat when most of his detractors had hemorrhoids or some other incapacitating medical condition preventing them from joining in the heroics of war.

If Kerry was Hitler, all those firey speeches would have been MUCH more sedate in tone, less war-mongering, less racist. In short, John Kerry would have destroyed what we know the Nazis came to.

Fast forward to now and wingnuts making clandestine Canadian border sorties to buy environmentally unsound dishwashing detergent.

Its not just laziness on their part you know.

Many people were shocked to find that products like Seventh Generation, Ecover and Trader Joe’s left their dishes encrusted with food, smeared with grease and too gross to use without rewashing them by hand. it IS just laziness.

We're Americans. Goddammit! We don't wash dishes by hands. We have machines and chemicals do it for us.

These bozos have conflated environmental protection with Nazism. Anything "we" do to protect the Earth, protect our health, protect our families (and theirs, whether they like it or not) is now just a bad thing and a sign this country is slipping into an environmentally conscious totalitarian state.

These dingbats RAIL about the false and repeatedly disproved dangers of "maru-ju-wanna" (I imagine this is how illiterate most of these numbskulls sound during speech) but they want to smuggle in dangerous phosphate detergents?

Talk radio and the Republican war on education, science, and general knowledge has been very successful with this demographic.

So, if liberals were actually really Nazi-like, how we would act? What would we do?

We would force corporations to stop lying, cheating, stealing, and ruining our lives, our country, and our environment.

We would provide healthcare to everybody. We would force it on them. We would make sure they have the OPTION to CHOOSE what they really need for themselves and their families.

We would research the best way to improve education across the board and indoctrinate every child with "education". Real liberal education full of other languages, real science, critical thinking, Gasp!

Thank God we aren't really Nazis, eh?

[I have thought about this for some time but MikeS's diary this morning set me off. It's just such a fascinating turn of events. Thanks Mike!]

Originally posted to Toking Points Memo on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 04:54 AM PDT.

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    •  Doesn't Canada have *stricter* envro regulations? (3+ / 0-)

      Yes, you can get more potent medicine up there (some of what is normally by prescription here--or illegal wink wink--can be gotten over-the-counter in Canada). But Canada, by and large, seems to have tighter anti-pollution policies on its corporations than down here in the States. Whether or not they restrict certain chemicals like phosphate in their dishwasher detergents, I do not know; but they've got a beautiful, natural, almost-all pristine untouched Northern portion of the continent to protect, and from what I understand, are very invested in protecting it.

      I remember Randi Rhodes summed up the difference between Republicans and Democrats thusly: "Republicans want to regulate personal behavior but de-regulate corporate behavior. Democrats are the other way around--they want to give more freedom for personal behavior and regulate corporate behavior." Re: Canada's treatment of personal medication vs. corporate environmental responsibility, I can say they're more like the Democrats for sure. (Except we still need to get the Dems on board with the weed.) ;-)

      End the gerrymandering; stand for fairness in Florida:

      by boofdah on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 05:30:16 AM PDT

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    •  Liberals Being Nazis, Is Kinda Like Black People (2+ / 0-)

      being, KKK!  I suppose it could happen.  But, at some point, everybody's just gonna ask, WTF - where did you park that Alan Keyes Fucker?

  •  8 down. (5+ / 0-)

    I wrote a diary swapping out some of his words. See it here.

  •  well it looks like u won the election (4+ / 0-)

    but u loose the "war on words"
    dumbya and tricky dick are war criminals
    but your media call's enviromental activist's nazis.
    what can you say
    good luck  from germany

  •  Well, (3+ / 0-)
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    xxdr zombiexx, boofdah, happy camper

    At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator’s house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?

    Probably not at phosphates.  But this rhetoric simply enourages people do decide on their own to have a really low threshold for violence.

    "30-plus Republicans have irrevocably tethered their wagons to the Bachmann crazy train. Excellent." -- Bob Cesca

    by Inland on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 05:08:38 AM PDT

  •  Sounds more like the readers of (2+ / 0-)
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    xxdr zombiexx, leonard145b

    ...were more libertarian than Republican:

    At the time, I was still the main news editor for I suppose most people who read this have never heard of, let alone visited this site, but what you probably would NOT expect is that it was then (and remains today) a stoned version of Free Republic. I quit after the election in 2004, tired of fighting those assholes nearly alone. If you think republicans will relegalize your weed, I can't help you.

    I know legalizing pot has been an informal principle of the Libertarian Party; even Ron Paul (a former "big L" Libertarian) has discussed the ridiculousness of the "war on drugs." The Republican Party, having been hijacked by the Religious Wrong since Jerry Falwell came into vogue, would no way, no how, no mcCannabis to that immoral, sex-inducin' "gateway drug." I bet some of them probably think it even turns people gay or some happy horsehit like what the Repubs normally believe...

    End the gerrymandering; stand for fairness in Florida:

    by boofdah on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 05:33:29 AM PDT

  •  Disarming the country's citizens.... (0+ / 0-)

    I'll leave it at that.

    Abolish gun control, marriage, and helmet laws. -7.62, -3.44

    by KVoimakas on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 05:37:29 AM PDT

  •  I just got "Wolfenstein 3D" for my iPhone (1+ / 0-)
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    I forgot how much fun it is blowing away Nazis! I had that game back in '94 when it ran under DOS, on a PC.

    Anyhoo... if ya got an iPhone, Wolfenstein gets two thumbs-up from me!

    This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around!

    by Snud on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 05:39:19 AM PDT

  •  The enviro-fascism idea has been around since (0+ / 0-)

    the Greens first became a political party. (It was ham-handedly connected to the Nazi's use of nature themes to seduce the masses.) Somehow corporate Americas lobbying to make sure cars get low gas mileage, coal pollution standards are watered down, mercury pollution standards weakened are all "free market" at work. But take away phosphates and it's fascism. (The article makes clear the problem is hard water, not the phosphate free detergents.)

    This theme is the right wing rallying cry. Glen Beck's headline yesterday was "Flirting with Fascism" re Obama "firing" GM's CEO. I actually heard him say "if we choose security over freedom, we deserve neither." Ha, ha ha ha ha.

    Just because something's old doesn't make it good. Just because something's new doesn't make it better.

    by the fan man on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 05:49:08 AM PDT

  •  It doesn't matter becasue (0+ / 0-)

    it falls under my tenet that I have had for many yeas.

    Eventually through the eyes of government, we will all be criminals.

    It may not be my piece of pie today but sure as hell they will eventually get around to it.

    I was a teenager in the 1960's and I could cry when I think of all the freedoms that are gone.  I can no longer go about life living in a carefree manner.  There are so many laws on how to live you fuckin daily life. I feel like all those nightmarish sci-fi futuristic movies are coming true.  

    Do we all have our thought collar ready to adorn our necks.

    Several weeks ago I was in Lowes to look for plumbing parts.  I heard a guy talking to a Lowes service person about commodes.  The guy wanted a non low flow commode because his low flow often needs two flushes to clean the bowel.  He was told....can't buy one.

    I thought I was the only one that complained about the need of double flushes so I called my plumber friend.  Now my plumber friend is big on solar and geothermal stuff.  He said the low flow is such a joke because it does make a lot of people use double flushes.  Sometimes there is an inverse reaction but government never thinks about it.

    So now we will have the dishwasher detergent criminals.  Hm?  Why not.  The prison business is booming.

    •  well part of the problem (0+ / 0-)

      in the 60's you could not make hughe profits with prisoners right ?
      that changed dramaticaly

      •  Yep that prison system is now (1+ / 0-)
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        big business.  The more people that can fall under the eyes of the mayriad of new laws the better for the system.  Now they throw people in jail for not cutting their lawn.  Only 30 days but you also must pay for those days out of your own pocket.

        In my area they have a recycling officer that goes around checking out your recycle bin.  If you haven't washed out those bottles and cans you get a fine.  One guy defied paying the fine.  It went to court (We have Justice of Peace system).  Guy doesn't show up at court.  Bench warrant is issued.  Several months later Sheriff shows up at guys door.  takes him to local jail.  Not sure of the ending but the guy did have to put on an orange jail house jumpsuit.

        So to me all this want from environmentalism feeds the system.  That's fine if you like corporate and government masters but I don't.

        It is going to get progressively worse.  So many laws are now passed for the benefit of groups and if your aren't in the same are in trouble.

    •  The new models (0+ / 0-)

      work much better than the older ones, which were shitty (pun intended). I've got two low-flows in my house, and they work better than the old, multi-gallons-per-flush models they replaced. Neither has ever plugged, and the bowl empties first flush 99% of the time--better than the old toilets. My brother in law just installed one, a cheapie no less, and is in awe of how well it flushes.

      "All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. -Abraham Lincoln

      by happy camper on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 08:18:03 AM PDT

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  •  I think I remember that sight (0+ / 0-)

    IIRC it is where I first heard that the first diesel engines were run on hemp seed oil originally.  I used to link to it, then it vanished but I have since found other sources to link to the diesel engine.

    Since I have never used nor owned a mechanical dishwasher I would not have known about that phospate ruling.  Boss limbow is crying that he is having to move out of NYC because he will pay a little more in taxes.  Of course he does not factor in the costs to move, to buy/lease a new studio nor all the other costs that could go along with it. But I do believe they have an intricate inner knowledge of the true nature of the Nazi party however since most of their grandfathers were in the Nazi party.  Prescott Bush is not just a name, his seed gave us two presidents.

    "To the corruptions of Christianity, I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself." Thomas Jefferson

    by meatwad420 on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 06:30:09 AM PDT

  •  Thank You - N/T (0+ / 0-)

    "Upward, not Northward" - Flatland, by EA Abbott

    by linkage on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:05:29 AM PDT

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