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I've already sent this post to two other blogs, as well as having it on my own.  Some people expressed boredom and snideness; others, particularly women, essentially said Lewinsky deserved everything coming to her, and that she should keep on paying for what happened in the late Nineties.

I don't think so.  I really disagree.  I think the woman needs a break.  I think that it points to an egregious double standard.  If other people have other information, I would like to hear it, other than the "homewrecker" moniker and the "headline chaser" label.  Because, by this time, I'm sure Monica Lewinsky is sick of it all, and wants to move on, but she can't.  She really can't.  And now there's going to be a movie made about the scandal...

So I would like your thoughts, not about what her behavior was like for you more than ten years ago, but about what I think every woman including her deserves:  a career, a job, to be of use, the regaining of her privacy (after Linda Tripp and Kenneth Starr and the Reichwing and the gossip world messed with her for all time), and relative happiness.  Here goes:

This is the only way we see her these days; long before Paris Hilton, she was famous for becoming infamous. TMZ has just tracked her down, looking for some filler on a sunny October day just before last year's election; she's just let go of an expletive deleted or two.  Earlier, she welcomed it; she was trying to make a little money or a little noise making diet commercials, telling cruise ship audiences her story, or doing reality shows or walking the red carpet.  Now she just wants to be left alone, but they're going to make a movie about Bill Clinton and her.  It never ends.  They haven't found someone yet to play her: oval faced, long, rich dark hair, heavy-hipped.  They may not; they may just use footage.  Monica Samille Lewinsky is now 35--middle-aged now, one might say--but she still doesn't have much of a life or a career to show for it.

Barbara Walters of The View said something really touching a few weeks ago; that while Bill and Hill have patched up their marriage and moved on to new prestige (if you can call it that), Monica has not been allowed to move on and to excel--in her own way. She keeps wearing her own version of "the scarlet letter" over ten years after she came to public attention.  It's her face.  

Even Linda Tripp, who earned the everlasting contempt of girlfriends all over the country for taping Monica's confidences and exposing her, has her own business with a new husband.  However, she doesn't look like Linda Tripp any more; she's changed her face through plastic surgery.  A British reporter visited Tripp's gift shop in Virginia, but wasn't entirely convinced that the woman who called herself Karen wasn't Tripp herself.  Yet Tripp has been able to blend back into the crowd, to disappear into the everyday.  Monica can't.

During Hill's ill-fated presidential run, the media made pointed references to the Lewinsky scandal, as it is still called, on its tenth anniversary.  Someone in the audience on two separate occasions asked Chelsea Clinton, who was campaigning on behalf of her mother, about the residual impact Monica Lewinsky had on her parents, or what she felt about Lewinsky.  I thought that this was a low blow, because those questions should have been forced on Bill Clinton himself, who some people feel had weaseled out of apologizing to Lewinsky.  True, at the time she was free, white and over 21, meaning she wasn't stupid or ignorant Nonetheless, Bill Clinton was as much a willing and eager participant in this mess as she was an tempting initiator.  To misquote Steve Harvey, There's always a man out there willing to cheat with a woman.

At the same time, I had to admire Monica.  She named her desire and went out for it, which was something to be praised and encouraged from feminists and womanists.  However, this was the wrong man and the wrong situation to be so bold.  The Right had been waiting to catch Bill Clinton at his weakest point.  Naturally, the women's community was divided about her.  Some called Monica a homewrecker, a seductress, a whore, not a sheroe.  I think she was none of those things at that time, like some of the minxes who indulge in sexting nowadays.  I think that at bottom, she was a little girl trying to get approval from a man old enough to be her father.

I used to call Monica Lewinsky, "Har-Monica," meaning that I felt that we were all getting played (or blown) by this laughable non-scandal between two consenting, but flawed adults.  I'm not laughing now.  I don't blame her for getting a gig out of Bill Clinton and his connections, and then, after she was exposed, for trying to make lemonade out of the lemons she was given.  She hasn't been able to get a real job before and after she received a master's degree abroad from the London School of Economics.  (She wouldn't have been able to evade the paparazzi or the curious at an American university or college.  The Brits more or less let her be.)

Frankly, the companies don't really know her.  It's not like she's going to turn a department into a bordello.  Sometimes I think these people choose her from the final three or five just to see who she is for themselves and to say that they had Monica Lewinsky in their office looking for a job.  This too is cruel.  Firms have feared that her presence might prove disruptive to the work environment and that clients might not wish to work with her.  This is overkill; they don't need to protect Bill or Hillary Clinton.  My feeling is, how long would the initial awkwardness last if the management grew a length of spine and laid down the law about their confidence in her skills and expertise?  Not long, in my humble opinion.

I don't care if Monica is simply a privileged white Jewish girl.  And I don't buy the canard that she was a spy for the Mossad, or that marriage is her only refuge.  Monica Lewinsky deserves to be left alone, and she deserves a career--like any other woman--as befits her competence, training and skills.  She needs to be important for the right reasons, to be a star in her own department, to be challenged and productive in doing the best job possible.  Isn't that what women all over fought for and are still fighting for: to be of use, and to have agency over their own destinies?  I cannot believe that this blip in American history is all that Monica Lewinsky is really worth.

Originally posted to on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 05:51 PM PDT.

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  •  Tips? (43+ / 0-)

    I guess I am just pointing out what I feel is a double standard.  She needs her life back.  When does she stop paying for this very big mistake?

    An untypical Negro...since 1954.

    by blksista on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 05:57:17 PM PDT

    •  Linda Tripp, (3+ / 1-)
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      shouldn't feel bad about not lying for MONICA.
      I can't feel sorry for Monica,she raised her skirt*
      to attract Bill,and got caught up in a huge


      •  Linda Tripp was no noble soul (37+ / 0-)

        who "wouldn't lie" for Monica Lewinsky, Tripp cultivated and used her relationship with Lewinsky as an opportunity to bring down a President whom she ideologically and politically despised.  Tripp is the epitome of a sleazy ideologue who used a young woman's indiscretion (Lewinsky's misplaced trust in two untrustable people - Bill Clinton and Linda Tripp) to smear a President.  This was never about Tripp and Lewinsky, this was about getting Bill Clinton.

        "Out of Many, One." This is the great promise of our nation -9.75 -6.87

        by Uncle Moji on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:46:16 PM PDT

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      •  Raised her skirt? (0+ / 0-)

        That is not the way I heard things went down.

      •  Bullshit. (20+ / 0-)

        Linda Tripp was a lying scumbag working for Lucianne Goldberg. She was a republican operative pretending to be Monica's friend so she could get dirt on President Clinton.

        Linda Tripp can rot in hell for all I care.

        "Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole. Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole."

        by homogenius on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 07:41:53 PM PDT

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        •  please, (0+ / 0-)

          google: did Monica lift her dress to pres Clinton.
          It will lead yo to a site on
          that gives a time line of the events, read it for yourself before you dismiss the truth as a lie. WHEN YOU GET TO THE SITE GO TO NOV,15,if you can stand to read it again. She showed him her thong.

          •  she could technically be guilty of (0+ / 0-)

            sexual harassment for doing that. If a man did the same to a woman, she could likely press charges. No way would I want her in my company.

            •  He was the senior person and didn't act, (1+ / 0-)
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              responsibly,she was 22. IF you reread the a/c,they were both willing and able,  nobody was forced!

              •  doesn't excuse the sexual harassment issue. n/t (0+ / 0-)


                Don't confuse them with facts. They have stereotypes on their side. (rserven)

                by dadanation on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 11:55:21 PM PDT

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                •  Acually, It does dismiss it. Sexual Harrassment (0+ / 0-)

                  is defined as UNWANTED Sexual advances ect. They were done towards Bill Clinton so they were not unwanted. (LOL) If she were seen engaging in that behavior in front of other persons and THEY felt violated , then yes. That's Sexual Harrassment. Because they did not want to see her butt.

                  "There are many who won't agree with every decision or policy I make as President."~ President Obama (Grant Park, Illinois November 4, 2008) -ahem-

                  by WeBetterWinThisTime on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 01:16:40 AM PDT

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                  •  it is both none of opur concern (0+ / 0-)

                    and unknown to anyone BUT the two parties involved whether or not the thong flashing waa in fact "wanted" -- you presume it was.  that you are not bill clinton, can you cite me proof that it was, as you allege, wanted?


                    Don't confuse them with facts. They have stereotypes on their side. (rserven)

                    by dadanation on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 01:42:20 AM PDT

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                    •  You want me to cite you proof ? Ummmmmm Ok. (0+ / 0-)

                      Would your proof in print, video , audio ? Which would you prefer ?


                      "There are many who won't agree with every decision or policy I make as President."~ President Obama (Grant Park, Illinois November 4, 2008) -ahem-

                      by WeBetterWinThisTime on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 03:23:25 AM PDT

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                      •  i wasn't being snarky (0+ / 0-)

                        but thank you for copping to your bias.


                        Don't confuse them with facts. They have stereotypes on their side. (rserven)

                        by dadanation on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 03:51:39 AM PDT

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                        •  Neither was I. In what form would you like your (1+ / 0-)
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                          I think it's ridiculous to suggest Lewinsky's advances towards Bill Clinton were unwanted. If they were unwanted, none of this crap would have happened.

                          NONE of it.

                          "There are many who won't agree with every decision or policy I make as President."~ President Obama (Grant Park, Illinois November 4, 2008) -ahem-

                          by WeBetterWinThisTime on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 04:18:24 AM PDT

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                          •  he was what... (0+ / 0-)

                            asking for it?


                            Don't confuse them with facts. They have stereotypes on their side. (rserven)

                            by dadanation on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 04:59:05 AM PDT

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                          •  I have an interesting theory about that. (1+ / 0-)
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                            It's pure conjecture, but it resonates with me. I voted for Bill Clinton twice fully aware that he couldn't keep it in his pants. I just wanted him to run the country--I figured where he dipped his wick was between him and Hillary.

                            I wonder if the real reason Hillary had an office in the West Wing was so she could keep tabs on him, as opposed to trying to run things like the wingnuts believe. Add to this the comments that after Monica got moved over to the Pentagon, she kept trying to get back into the West Wing. Betty Curie kept signing her in, but supposedly Nancy Hernreich the personnel director wouldn't let her come back for good.

                            I have often wondered if Clinton's inner circle was conspiring to keep him away from skirt in the White House. Remember, Monica only got her shot because during the government shutdown only essential national security personnel were allowed to come to work, so the interns were helping out.

                            Anyway, that's my theory.

                            "Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole. Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole."

                            by homogenius on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 11:46:11 AM PDT

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                          •  i was in dc a lot of that time (0+ / 0-)

                            and there were a lot of theories, some credible, some not so much.  your thoughts have real merit.

                            but i fall on the issue this way -- i don't care.  not one whit.  not at all.

                            whether he did, where he did, when he did, who knew, who helped, who tricked, who got rolled, etc.  i don't care.

                            he was a good president.  in some arenas, a great president.  in other arenas, moderate and in a few, rotten.

                            but he was a good president overall.

                            his private life is none of my business.

                            that it was his achilles heel says a lot about ken starr, the media and the american love/hate relationship with sex and sexuality than it does about his and hillary's relationship.  we have a penchant for making everything seem that it is of the exact proportions as a greek tragedy when in fact what we are actually doing is eavesdropping and being a voyeur.

                            (we is not you and me but the collective american conscience...)

                            his dalliances etc. have no more bearing on my judgment of his leadership than does the color belt he wore the day he signed the first reauthorization of the ryan white care act (for the record, black shoes, back belt).

                            watching him with his wife then and then flash forward watching him with his wife now (campaigning etc.) i was struck by how much they seemed to still be comfortable with and around each other, as they were in 1995 they remained the same in 2008.

                            i could no more say that they are in love and believe myself than could i say that they have obliviously "worked something out" any more than i can say that he is womanizer and she the suffering wife -- i know none of them to be fact and i will go to my grave knowing none of them to be fact because it is none of my business.

                            sorry if this seems aimed at you homogenius -- it is not.  i just needed to spleen vent a bit.


                            Don't confuse them with facts. They have stereotypes on their side. (rserven)

                            by dadanation on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 07:05:21 PM PDT

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                          •  None taken. I agree. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Ken Starr is a sick fuck.

                            "Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole. Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole."

                            by homogenius on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 08:33:30 PM PDT

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                          •  and OT (0+ / 0-)

                            he was the best thing we had goig for us when the ca supremes heard the arguments last month re: prop 8 -- that is besides t stewart from the city attny's office who was on fire, ken starr was our secret weapon he was such a buffoon.

                            my hour in the actual court room was when k starr was bloviating and pissing off the judges, one by one.

                            i had to bleach my aura after being so close to that evil fuck.


                            Don't confuse them with facts. They have stereotypes on their side. (rserven)

                            by dadanation on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 09:40:35 PM PDT

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          •  Why do you care? nt (1+ / 0-)
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    •  She just needs to lose the name... (8+ / 0-)

      in order to reclaim herself. "Lewinsky" will always be tied to that scandal... whether she changes it by marriage, or by court order, if she adopts a new surname, I doubt many people will recognize her, or think twice about it.

      Tinfoil!'s the new black!

      by mosesfreeman on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:19:22 PM PDT

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    •  I'm curious (2+ / 0-)
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      You've spent a lot of time and effort to post this. Is there some connection you have to Monica that causes you to write this?

      The common person is so misrepresented that I sometimes forget that I have a voice.

      by AlBob on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:19:39 PM PDT

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    •  you funny (8+ / 0-)

      Monica Lewinsky deserves to be left alone

      I think quite a few people were going on perfectly fine not thinking about that woman, Ms.Lewinsky, until you brought this up. So who's not leaving her alone?

      •  TMZ,, etc., et al. (3+ / 0-)
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        askew, begone, ShempLugosi

        How would you like to be hounded by these guys?  She certainly isn't looking for it these days.

        An untypical Negro...since 1954.

        by blksista on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 10:19:14 PM PDT

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        •  Fair enough but (1+ / 0-)
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          How does this diary help? It just shines more light on the woman.

          Interestingly enough, my father is pretty conservative, but he completely agrees that she just happened to be around to be a convenient pawn in the political game; a bad game at that. Well, then again, he likes Clinton, so how Republican is he, eh...

          •  Since she has no one to stand up for her... (1+ / 0-)
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            I thought that the Left or progressives or liberals might begin looking at her a bit more closely than the squawk boxes of the Right.  Because frankly, I think both Hillary AND Monica have been screwed by this guy, no pun intended.  It's all about him.

            I don't mean to shine more light on Ms. Lewinsky.  I mean to shine light on her predicament.  She's meant to do something with her life, like all of us.  I think about the new graduates set to go out in the world this spring and try to find their first jobs out of school, and it's going to be like it was for me:  1976, the year of the Bicentennial recession.  How would you like to live doing a series of non-jobs for ten years?  Something that goes nowhere, but is just for the time being or until something blows over?

            An untypical Negro...since 1954.

            by blksista on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 12:28:59 AM PDT

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    •  You admired her? (2+ / 0-)
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      Eloise, MKSinSA

      You are definitely someone I do not need to know.

      "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4270+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

      by Miss Blue on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 07:04:00 PM PDT

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    •  it is ridiculous (7+ / 0-)

      We've just had someone as president who did far worse things as a youth.  Most people here would excuse Obama for his youthful indiscretions.  I am not the same person I was 15 years ago.  I've made mistakes and I've had to pay the price, and I've moved on.  I think everyone needs to look at themselves and their worst mistake and consider whether they think 15 years of punishment for it is enough.

    •  If a man discusses his sexual adventures (1+ / 0-)
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      he is said to be a cad.  Gentlemen do not discuss, do not reveal.  That is the standard of behavior expected.  Anything else is a betrayal.  I see no reason why it should be different for women and I have no problem with the statement "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" even when she was maintaining otherwise.

      Then there was this crap about the "power difference".  That is only valid when the person with the greater power does the initiating. Yeah, right, he used his power to influence and seduce her.  Bullshit.  Power attracts.  From everything I can see, she seduced him.   If he had wanted women it would have been arranged (like Kennedy).

      Watching from overseas the whole thing was a stitch up and the victims were Clinton and the American people.

      But the bottom line comes to this.  Betrayal.  And I quite understand why she has difficulties getting a job.  I wouldn't hire her either as long as there was anyone else available.

      That is just my opinion of course but it would seem that a lot of potential employers have a similar view.  But my thoughts were what you asked for.

      To take things a bit further;

      but about what I think every woman including her deserves:  a career, a job, to be of use, the regaining of her privacy

      How does this differ from guys, gays, transexuals?  What is so special that you limit this right or expectation to women?  I'm interested in your thoughts on the matter.

      Best Wishes, Demena Economic Left/Right: -8.38
 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

      by Demena on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 07:47:20 PM PDT

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      •  I wouldn't hire her either... (1+ / 0-)
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        I feel sorry for her in a way.  It has been a lot of years.  But hire her into an office situation?  You got to be kidding.  Other women would not trust her.  You would bring up the old battles between the Clinton haters and those who apologize for him... Hey, it would not be worth it.  Would not hire her.

        She should consider changing her last name.  Maybe get a job overseas for a few years.  Turn into a Republican - and maybe one of them would hire her to keep things stirred up.

        •  Apart from the fact (2+ / 0-)
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          that men would not trust her either I agree totally.

          If anyone working for me hired her I would likely fire them for placing unnecessary risk upon the business and risking everyone else's livelihood.

          Best Wishes, Demena Economic Left/Right: -8.38
 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

          by Demena on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 08:08:10 PM PDT

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      •  the victim was clinton? (2+ / 0-)
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        blksista, Jacob Bartle

        i confess i never once thought of it that way. what an eye opener.

        the poor man. his tortured face. saintly almost. kind of.

  •  Why do you assume she "can't"? (3+ / 0-)

    Some people are just lazy and unmotivated for whatever reason.

  •  Per your title, I didn't read this (16+ / 0-)

    and thus am doing everything in my power to let her have her own life (and career).

    Works for me.

    Ignorance isn't exactly bliss but some things are better known when they are unknown to start with and pieced together on the way. - WineRev

    by Clem Yeobright on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:00:41 PM PDT

  •  your concern (7+ / 0-)

    is noted and completely not appreciated.

    Cowards die many times before their deaths... Shakespeare, Julius Ceasar, II, 2

    by on the cusp on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:02:46 PM PDT

  •  I promise not to be as into Monica Lewinsky as (10+ / 0-)

    you seem to be. I think I can pull that off.

    Yep. Just did.

  •  I am really confused about what you are writing (8+ / 0-)

    As someone who has a daughter a couple of years older than Monica, I can tell you poor Monica could be a helluva lot worse off. I'm sorry, I don't know why anyone should care what she does.

    Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.

    by tazz on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:04:17 PM PDT

  •  I quite agree. You'd think we as a country were (12+ / 0-)

    past treating her as Hester Prynne.  Although, for the right, she remains a convenient wedge issue.

  •  I actually feel sorry for Monica. (9+ / 0-)

    But that's how it works out sometimes. You pick the wrong sex partner as a young woman, and your life is over.

    •  Please don't feel sorry, (0+ / 0-)

      as long as women or men go after married people,with no consequences,it won't  adultery  stop.

      •  As far as I am aware, "adultery" refers (15+ / 0-)

        to what the married person does.  Lewinsky isn't an adulterer.  Adultery will stop when married people stop cheating on their spouses, no?  So it wouldn't matter if other people "go after" married people if married people don't respond.  The onus is on the married person.

        "Out of Many, One." This is the great promise of our nation -9.75 -6.87

        by Uncle Moji on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:50:53 PM PDT

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        •  yeah (5+ / 0-)
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          the attitude above goes into the evil woman category.  Men have no responsibility for their actions, so it's the fault of the woman for entrapping him.  

          •  I sorta blame both. (1+ / 0-)
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            But one was still a young woman who could be expected to act foolishly, especially when alone in a room with a charismatic man who also happens to be one of the most powerful in the world.

            Sorry, but marriage means little nowdays. You can't fault people for adultery when you let things like divorce go unremarked.

            •  I basically agree. (6+ / 0-)

              But I would go a little further. I think Monica went after a married man. I don't think she should pay for this the rest of her life. And I think he bears special responsibility because of the abuse of power and status.

              Bottom line, I think she has already paid far more than she should have to. She didn't intend to harm the entire country--the President's inquisitors meant to do exactly that and they got off scot-free.

              I hope she goes on to have a good life and leave this behind. I wish her well. All the parties who attempted a coup by impeachment can go to hell. And this includes Linda Tripp.

              "Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole. Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole."

              by homogenius on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 07:47:16 PM PDT

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        •  THEY GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE, (3+ / 0-)
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          What GOD has joined together,let NO MAN put asunder,sound familiar?

          You don't insert yourself in a marriage and then blame it on the ones that are married,who slept with you,and not be part of the blame.

          •  You don't (2+ / 0-)
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            take holy vows of singlehood, either.

            And you certainly don't take vows of marriage and then blame your infidelity on the ones who are single (and taken no vows), who slept with you and not be part of the blame.

            AIG wants to change its name? Try PIG - cheaper signage and much more honest.

            by MKSinSA on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 07:59:03 PM PDT

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            •  The married person and the other cheater, (2+ / 0-)
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              deaniac20, Demena

              are both to blame.One is cheating on the person they have vowed to respect,the other stepped into a marriage.

              •  Only if vows mean nothing (3+ / 0-)
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                Elise, debedb, Uncle Moji

                Women go after the interloper and "forgive" the husband. Only one person in that relationship to a vow.

                AIG wants to change its name? Try PIG - cheaper signage and much more honest.

                by MKSinSA on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 08:23:18 PM PDT

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                •  YOUR'RE HOPELESS and the kind of person (0+ / 0-)

                  married people love.

                  •  Perhaps I am (2+ / 0-)
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                    but I've taken a number of oaths and vows in my life and I've taken each of them seriously. Marriage, jury duty, court witness, military service, etc. It is incumbent upon me to uphold my duties; not for anyone to do so for me. I, and I alone, am responsible for the oaths I swear and the vows I take or I don't make them.

                    I don't put that burden on anyone else nor do I seek to absolve myself under the veil of enticement. I'm pleased to know that I have upheld my end of those duties and expect those around me to do the same and am sickened when they fail to do so.

                    AIG wants to change its name? Try PIG - cheaper signage and much more honest.

                    by MKSinSA on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 08:51:54 PM PDT

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                  •  You mean "married people" who cheat, love? or (1+ / 0-)
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                    "married people" who don't cheat, love?  

                    MKS seems to be advocating personal responsibility, and it is curious that you seem to take umbrage at his high standard for personal morality as a married man.  If all married men adhered to MKS's view, they would respect their marital vow and not cheat on their spouses no matter how very tempting the offers. (You are also making an assumption that all marriages are or should be monogamous.)

                    It's odd that you have so much apparent venom toward Ms  Lewinsky, whose life and career have been derailed by the public attack heaped upon her by persons such as yourself. Bill Clinton cheated on his wife (so what, why is it my business, I really don't care), his wife forgave him, he kept his office and his marriage and continued with a successful business and political career...why still pick on Ms Lewinsky?  When does she stop paying? She didn't "asunder" that marriage, it's still intact.

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                    by Uncle Moji on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 11:19:00 PM PDT

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          •  What god? (2+ / 0-)
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            I have no idea what "god" is, much less what it joined together.

            Please clarify what you mean.

          •  Seems like you've got personal issues (2+ / 0-)
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            with adultery. That's not a reason to take out your anger on everyone.

          •  It's a fuzzy line for me, at least. (0+ / 0-)

            On the one hand, I strongly feel that people in general should behave decently towards each other, and that doesn't include attempting to break up people who have decided to be in a relationship together.

            On the other...Some guys are incurable flirts, and will flirt themselves right into someone else's bed before they really stop to consider what they are doing. Some guys love the chase, and a woman's just not as interesting when you know you can have her. Some guys are inherently not monogamously wired and are working it out through cheating, instead of a healthier method. Some guys do it because their wife treats them like one more kid to be fed, clothed, and amused, and they want someone to listen to their stories. Some guys do it as a way to get out of their marriage. And women do it as much as men.

            People have been cheating on each other as long as people have been getting into relationships. Otherwise it wouldn't be in literature so much.

        •  she facilitated adultery (1+ / 0-)
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          or was an accessory to it, thus she is blameworthy.

      •  Uh (4+ / 0-)
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        Unless your name is one Monica Lewinsky, Hillary Rodham Clinton, or William Clinton, it's not your place to comment on this at all.

    •  Yeah... (2+ / 0-)
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      askew, blksista do I.  Someone on Kos said years ago that "sex makes fools of us all" in reference to Bill Clinton, but it's certainly true of Monica, as well.

      The person to find most at fault in all this is Bill.  With the weight of the world, literally, on his shoulders he exposed himself to GOP blackmail.  Monica?  Inexperienced, silly little girl, in my opinion. So she was over 21?  Big deal. A pampered daughter of the upper middle-class, she didn't know which end was up. Just a small mouse in the grass when the elephants started dancing around her.

      It's unfortunate. A bad decision.  A foolish belief this powerful man would leave his equally powerful wife.  Yapping about her girlish dreams to a treacherous friend. Keeping the blue dress. Running afoul of the Starr Inquisition. Naivete squared.

      But, unhappily, it's what's going to define her.  How many people know that Wilbur Mills lifted millions of older Americans out of poverty just by indexing Social Security to inflation in 1972?  Not many.  If most remember Wills at all, it's not for being a legendary chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee but for drunken cavorting in the Tidal Basin with stripper Fannie Fox.  End of career.

      They used to say that no purchasing agent ever got fired for hiring Big Blue (IBM). No personnel officer will ever be fired for turning down Monica Lewinsky, either.

      Were I in her shoes, I'd get a law degree, change my name, and go into solo practice. There's no reason she can't have a career -- and a lucrative one -- but it won't be the career she once might have expected to have.

      As a human being, I feel sorry for her. As a practical matter, she's stuck with this and needs to find a way to move beyond it.

  •  I don't know if I admire Monica Lewinsky, (1+ / 0-)
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    but except for quickly noting her questionable taste in men (and not just from the erotic point of view), I have no reason to think about her one way or another, so I begrudge her nothing, just as I begrudge nothing to anyone else I know nothing about.

  •  well I leave her alone.. never thought bad (4+ / 0-)
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    thoughts about her, who is keeping her from
    doing what she wants? what complaints has she made?

    •  I haven't thought about her in years (2+ / 0-)
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      who is preventing her from "realizing her dreams"?

      What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is. ~ Dan Quayle

      by CParis on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:16:59 PM PDT

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      •  It's those damned people who post bold-lettered (5+ / 0-)

        diaries about her on widely-read blogs that are peeing on her dreams, that's who! Why won't they JUST LEAVE HER ALONE?


        •  None of you get it... (2+ / 0-)
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          SHE CANNOT GET A JOB IN HER FIELD.  Barbara Walters--yeah, I know--Baba Wawa--said on The View that the girl deserves a break and that she needs to move on with her life.

          Lewinsky is not dumb; she has an IQ that is Mensa level.  What was missing in all of her actions back then was common sense. Intellect (or book learning) does not always combine with common sense or maturity.

          Now I know that even the Left still holds her in contempt.  Whatta world.

          An untypical Negro...since 1954.

          by blksista on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 10:31:13 PM PDT

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          •  I find it (0+ / 0-)

            highly interesting that Barbara Walters has been such a cheerleader for Monica.  Back when I watched the View (when Rosie O'Donnell was on), I heard Baba make supporting statements of Monica many times.  I'm wondering if it isn't 50% wanting to give Monica a break and 50% wanting to stick it to Bill Clinton.  

          •  I hate to break this to you (2+ / 0-)
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            but there are 5 million Americans in the same boat as Monica, and most of them have not been paid anywhere near what Monica has over the years to tell "her story", let alone have a rich doctor father to back her up. Sorry, I don't have any sympathy for a poor little rich girl who can't find a job during a depression when no one else can find jobs either.

            Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.

            by tazz on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 04:52:39 AM PDT

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          •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

            Now I know that even the Left still holds her in contempt

            I don't hold Lewinsky in contempt.  I haven't even thought about her for years.  Clinton was impeached 10 years ago and since then we've suffered through 8 years of Bu$hco mismanagement, thievery, and war.

            I doubt many on the "Left" have preventing Monica Lewinksy from getting a job at the top of their list.

            What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is. ~ Dan Quayle

            by CParis on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 08:33:00 AM PDT

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  •  Look WJC definitely... (2+ / 0-)
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    has some blame here...but it takes two to she has to live with that decision and the consequences the way we all have to...

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    by dvogel001 on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:15:12 PM PDT

  •  No one came out of that mess (13+ / 0-)

    looking good, except perhaps Hillary.

    I'm all for Monica Lewinsky being left alone to live her life.  There's a way to do that, too -- drop out of the public eye and just get an everyday, regular job and live an everyday, regular life.  People formerly in the public eye do it all the time.  So can she.

    But I stop short of expressing admiration for her.  She had a sexual relationship with a married man.  She racks up the major stupid points for choosing a married man who just happened to be President and who just happened to be on the receiving end of a massive Republican witchhunt.  But even if Bill Clinton had been a Long Island mechanic, Monica was wrong to do what she did.

    So was Bill.  Wrong, and oh so very stupid.

    And Linda Tripp... ugh.  Just... ugh.

  •  That sucks for her (0+ / 0-)

    She seems to have done better for herself.

  •  Refer your question to Mrs. O'Leary's cow (2+ / 0-)
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    (who didn't do it).  

    I think mosesfreeman has the best advice:  name change.

    grumble grumble mutter mutter

    by Crashing Vor on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:29:38 PM PDT

  •  I have to say (With Sarcasm) my favorite (5+ / 0-)

    part of your diary is this line...

    I don't care if Monica is simply a privileged white Jewish girl.

    Hateful to me as the gates of Hades is that man who hides one thing in his heart and speaks another. ~Homer

    by BFSkinner on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:29:44 PM PDT

    •  Oh? MY favorite (not) part was this: (1+ / 0-)
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      She named her desire and went out for it, which was something to be praised and encouraged from feminists and womanists.

      Something to be praised? To be encouraged? By feminists?!

      This diarist must be joking. Or must be Monica herself.

    •  (sarcasm on) Perhaps I should have (0+ / 0-)

      put quotation marks around it.  Because in certain sectors, that's the putdown line.

      And it wasn't meant as a putdown in the first effing place.

      (sarcasm off)

      An untypical Negro...since 1954.

      by blksista on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 10:33:42 PM PDT

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      •  Why the hell did you feel the need to put her (0+ / 0-)

        religion in the first place? When I write about blacks, Islamic people, etc, if it is not important to the story...guess what...I do not put it in the is...suprise suprise...not relevant.

        The only people who put not relevant stuff in stories are either trolls or prejudice types.


        Hateful to me as the gates of Hades is that man who hides one thing in his heart and speaks another. ~Homer

        by BFSkinner on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 05:18:52 AM PDT

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  •  None of us can change the past.. (3+ / 0-)
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    We're only human.
    All we can do is try not to repeat really detrimental acts that we did (when we were 21...?) and do the best we can for the present.
    So, I think Ms. Lewinsky demonstrates more health and character
    Than those who criticize.  

    Truth creates money. Lies destroy it. - Suze Orman

    by smartcookienyc on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:32:21 PM PDT

  •  MIDDLE AGED??? (6+ / 0-)

    Ablington is a scab at the bending factory. Relentless!

    by ablington on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:35:32 PM PDT

  •  I am not sure of your point... (3+ / 0-)
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    First, she was a silly uneducated girl who sucked dick real good.  

    Then suddenly she was a graduate of the London School of Economics - where idiots don't get accepted.  Then crazily she can't find a job, poor her.  It doesn't jive.  

    She needs (or you need) to deal with her reality.  Her success is none of my business, nor my concern.  

    This is a stupid story. Leave her alone.  If she has a degree from the London School of Ecomonics and she can't find a job, then she has problems we can't help with.  People are starving in this world for crying out loud.

    She is irrelevant.  Let her find her own way. And let my people eat.  She's not a victim.  She has resources.

  •  So. She's unemployed. So are how many other (5+ / 0-)

    Americans, without parents who can lend a hand in a pinch?  Okay, that was a bit harsh, but seriously she can't figure this out?

    1.  Monica Middle Name Lewin sky
    1.  Fees to change name legally and get new transcripts.
    1.  Day at a spa/ salon -  Lose the long dark hair for a sharp, lighter bob haircut.
    1.  Visit w/ parents until new job found.
    1.  Go on with life.

    There. Done.

    "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

    by bkamr on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 06:57:04 PM PDT

  •  I was unaware (5+ / 0-)
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    that Monica was having trouble getting herself left alone.

    But if she is (is it the movie you are referring to, or something else?) - I do feel sorry for her.  She evidently felt needy enough, or weak enough, that she needed the attention that she got from WJC, and it made her feel proud that she was important to a powerful, smart man that may have made her feel that little She understood him.  I am sorry for her because her time of weakness and shallowness has been immortalized, despite the fact that she may very well have grown up a lot since then.

    And I agree with the person who said that adultery can only be committed by the married.  And the person who said Linda Tripp was a creep.

    And for those who say that she did a Bad Thing, and should not expect to be forgiven: I say to you, maybe you ought to move to a fundamentalist country like Saudi Arabia where they stone to death women who "fornicate" outside marriage.

    •  Would you say the same (0+ / 0-)

      if it had been Hillary in the white house with Michel Lewinsky?

      Best Wishes, Demena Economic Left/Right: -8.38
 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

      by Demena on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 07:55:05 PM PDT

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      •  I would say - it's not my marriage (2+ / 0-)
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        so therefore it isn't my fucking business.

        •  So would I. (0+ / 0-)

          But the question wasn't addressed to you, and it was provoked by the following remark.

          And for those who say that she did a Bad Thing, and should not expect to be forgiven: I say to you, maybe you ought to move to a fundamentalist country like Saudi Arabia where they stone to death women who "fornicate" outside marriage.

          Which was totally uncalled for.

          Best Wishes, Demena Economic Left/Right: -8.38
 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

          by Demena on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 11:15:08 PM PDT

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      •  yes (0+ / 0-)

        probably I would.  I am not sure why you think I would not.

        There are countries in the world where you are severely punished for offenses against marriage, by public torture or murder.  We do not live in one.  I think people who believe this kind of thing should never be forgiven or forgotten are more in tune with those societies than this one.

  •  Rec'ced for providing an interesting POV on... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...the subject, although I don't have nearly as much sympathy for her as you obviously do. Not because she doesn't deserve to put it behind her, but because, as bkamr pointed out in an earlier comment, the solution to her dilemma is pretty damned obvious: Legally change her name, get a new haircut/color, voila.

    Does it stink that she "has" to change her name (which has essentially become a part of the American lexicon--to be "Lewinskied" etc)? Sure, but it's hardly the most horrible thing that anyone has had to go through.

  •  Jeez! So she washed his helmet. (5+ / 0-)

    That was, what, 13 years ago? It's ancient history. Let her move on with her life.

  •  I make no claims as to her morality, but if you (1+ / 0-)
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    put yourself in bad situations, bad things will happen to you.  Former President Clinton is in the same situation, he just has the wherewithal to withstand it.

    "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

    by lordcopper on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 07:24:10 PM PDT

  •  Monica who? (0+ / 0-)

    who are you talking about again? Oh yea, THAT woman.

  •  blksista-- Off topic but important (1+ / 0-)
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    True, at the time she was free, white and over 21,

    This needs a brief setup. I'm another white Jewish "girl," as was my mom, rest in peace. My mom served in WWII; that's the era she was from. She sometimes used the expression "free, white, and over 21," and even as a child, I perceived it as a carelessly, callously racist expression. And I assume that it was a fairly common expression among whites of her generation.

    When I read that in your diary, I looked up to see who the diarist was. Blksista--with that handle, I presume that you're black, so 'nuff said.

  •  Look, she signed her own deal in life. (1+ / 0-)
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    And we've left her alone--everyone's left her alone.  Who's looking for her?  Who even cares?

    Frankly, she's got her life, and she's got her choices.  It's not our fault she's in the pickle she's in; that's all a part of decisions she made, and she's got to deal with her choices, just like everybody else.

  •  Since you brought it up, (2+ / 0-)
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    I agree. I think it's better that we challenge ourselves to forgive and forget an issue that is decidedly settled and done.
    I also would prefer it if the entire celebrity-stalking tabloid industry dried up and blew away. I know we've lost a lot of jobs worldwide as of late, but those are some jobs I'd be happy to see lost anytime.  

  •  Ah,, because she's a whore ? (1+ / 0-)
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    She knew exactly what she was doing.  She just expected to be rewarded with money and fame.  Boo hoo - she didn't get what she wanted.  If she wants a job she should go to Thailand.  They've got an entire industry that's perfect for her.

    •  not to mention her "suck and tell" (0+ / 0-)

      to Linda Tripp. If she was gonna do something as toxic and dangerous as she did, the least she could have done was to keep her yap shut. Bill wasn't intent on telling anyone, so neither should Monica have been.

    •  "they've got an entire industry over there" (4+ / 0-)
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      I think defining Monica as "a whore" and making her whole person defined by one incident is the problem the diarist is getting at. This is the double standard. When a man is found cheating his whole being isn't replaced with the label "whore." He is still allowed to be a whole person; he's allowed to move on.

      Listen up, guys! It turns out that if we don't hurry up and change the world, later it's the world that changes us. --Mafalda

      by forester on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 08:34:14 PM PDT

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      •  this happens all the time the other way around (1+ / 0-)
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        men pursuing women to have sex.  Most of them are lucky enough not to run head-on into a republican smear machine.  The issue I've always had with Monica was that she didn't keep her mouth shut about the whole thing.  Spilling her guts to Linda Tripp was the most amazingly stupid thing anyone has ever done.  Apparently she wasn't aware that Linda Tripp tried to become famous by publicizing the fact that GHWBush had an affair for years.

  •  Whoa. Wait half a moment, here. (2+ / 0-)
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    Per wikipedia:

    On March 3, 1999, she appeared on ABC's 20/20. She also appeared on MTV's The Tom Green Show in which the host took her to his parents' home in Ottawa in search of fabric for her new business. Lewinsky made a cameo appearance as herself in two sketches during the May 8, 1999 episode of NBC's Saturday Night Live, a program that had lampooned her relationship with Clinton over the prior sixteen months. She was also the host of the short-lived reality television dating program called Mr. Personality in 2003


    I'm not saying that she deserves to be hounded.  I am saying, however, that the fact that she is being hounded still is not too shocking.  It wasn't like she retreated from public life.  She was still cashing in on the scandal as late as 2003.

    •  So your point is...? (0+ / 0-)

      It's either cash in or get a regular job and disappear?

      What if you can't get a regular job?

      What if you don't want any of those cash-in jobs that go nowhere and is almost like a genteel version of streetwalking?

      What's your alternative?

      Marriage requires two working people these days.

      An untypical Negro...since 1954.

      by blksista on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 10:41:40 PM PDT

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  •  why is this even a diary? (2+ / 0-)
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    by GlowNZ on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 08:07:48 PM PDT

  •  One last thing: (3+ / 0-)
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    When I'm done feeling bad for all those families who've lost homes in this economic downturn, or their retirement savings, or their jobs, or their bank accounts, or their heatlhcare, thereby their lives--most of these through no fault of their own--then, and only then, will I begin to have an ounce of empathy for Monica Lewinsky.

    Check back with me in about...60 years?

  •  Went into this dubious, (3+ / 0-)
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    but you've made a compelling case.  I didn't realize she more or less had to go to school abroad, and that she's still getting name-dropped in questions to the former president's daughter.  Still the punchline of jokes, I guess.  

    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

    by pico on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 08:13:39 PM PDT

  •  I feel sorry for anyone (4+ / 0-)
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    who becomes a commodity. All the late night jokes about her, which I'll admit I'm like everyone else and laugh. But I do know it's got to hurt. The judging that goes on has to hurt too. I think most of us if we knew her would probably treat her with the respect that we give others. Maybe she'll overcome it. I thought it was a miracle how Nixon transformed himself from a national disgrace into an elder statesman

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    by daveygodigaditch on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 08:27:22 PM PDT

  •  every human relations professional knows (4+ / 0-)
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    that there cannot be "consent" between the highest-ranking official in an enterprise and its lowest level worker.  Consent requires equality, and no such equality exists between the top and bottom of a single hierarchy.  Every human relations professional knows this, without exception, and they also know it is entirely the responsible to the individual at the top not to exploit their position of privilege for personal gratification, to ensure that such unequal relations do not occur.  At the very least it is sexual exploitation .  So-called "progressives" should know this without being told, that so many seem to reject this universal, common sense truth strongly suggests that there is much more to the "so-called" than to the "progressive".

    "When the government becomes a lawbreaker, it invites every man to become a law unto himself." ~ Justice Brandeis

    by ActivistGuy on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 08:31:43 PM PDT

    •  oh please, I never knew what (0+ / 0-)

      Republicans meant when they talked of "cultural marxism," but now I know. There doesn't need to be "equality" between the two partners to be "consent," as long as no one has a weapon, or uses physical and psychological force. If this were true, millions of marriages would be "without consent," as would be their sex, and thus nearly everyone would be guilty of rape. You sound like an idiot, equating "progressivism" with this theory. You also cite no sources, just the classic Fox News "some people say." She hit on him first, Bill was seduced by her, not the other way around, and thus the result. Not to mention she told Linda Tripp, instead of doing what Bill did, and keeping her yap shut.

      •  You should probably back away from the computer. (1+ / 0-)
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        When you start throwing out ad hominem attacks like this, you're no longer engaging with the conversation.

        First, what ActivistGuy is referring to is relationships within the same workplace (so your hyperbole is out of place), and yes, everybody who's ever had to have this kind of training knows that what he's saying is well-supported.  It's pretty much a cliché that you don't ever begin a sexual relationship with someone lower on the food chain than you - not because you aren't both consenting adults, but because power + sex is a really combustible mix.  

        If you want some articles that have dealt with this, try here, here, and here.  That last link dealt with a specific case of a CEO being asked to resign because of a relationship with a subordinate.

        Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

        by pico on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 11:42:38 PM PDT

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  •  Re Monica (1+ / 0-)
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    I remember people joked about her appearance, especially since the media kept running that badge or DMV photo of her.  But I also recall that some reporter ran a piece in which he said (paraphrasing), "You think she's fat and ugly?  Try sitting in the same room with her and see if you still think so.

    Were I to meet her in person, I'd do what I could to be supportive without "going there" subject-wise.  This would be someone I'd know far more about than I should, yet at the same time, I think how incredible it must have been to have had what in her mind would have initially been the "fling to beat all flings" turn into this monstrous national scandal.  

    To hell with the "wrongness" of what she chose to do; we get it.  But have some compassion for the sheer depth and breadth of the aftermath as she experiences it.  Try to get past the paradigm of what she "deserves."

  •  eh, monica's no hero, fer sure. (2+ / 0-)
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    but i have daughter's the age monica was when she made The Big Mistake, and i have to say, i hope she can get on with her life and get beyond The Big Mistake.

    bill/hill seem to have gotten beyond it.
    it really doesn't seem fair, in the greater scheme of things, that this one thing is the only thing this woman, almost still a girl at the time, is remembered for her whole life.

  •  How about a job in talk radio? (2+ / 0-)
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    Seems like they'll take anyone.

  •  Monica Who-insky? (2+ / 0-)
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    I learned French because I like the language. I'm learning Spanish because I like the people who speak it.

    by Vengeur on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 08:59:26 PM PDT

  •  What irks me about (2+ / 0-)
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    women like her is.  There are plenty of unattached private citizens she could have approached and her life would not have been ruined.  I know someone that could have appreciated the attention and all would have been well.  But she had to choose an attached big shot (pun  intended) so I have no pitty now.

  •  She had a crush on the President (3+ / 0-)
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    and those bastards ruined her life because of it.

    I'm with you, blksista. Give the woman a break, already.

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    Thongs? Cigars? Stained dresses?

    Visit Footnote to History:  Monica's Museum of Erotic Memorabilia -- by appt. only.  

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    She was an adult.

    She went after another man's wife, and further, was so stupid as to go after the US Pres -- an act that would OF COURSE result in damage to the man, to herself, to the country, to his political party.

    Be good to each other. It matters.

    by AllisonInSeattle on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 06:52:11 AM PDT

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