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  • While NY Gov. David Peterson's support is still collapsing (voters would prefer to have Spitzer back! And yeah, "Gov. Cuomo" is a near-certainty after the next election), there's more important news in the latest Siena University poll:

    By a 53-39 percent margin, voters support the Senate passing a bill to legalize same sex marriages that would virtually ensure its becoming law. Democrats, independent, and young voters, and women strongly support Senate passage. Republicans strongly oppose passage, with men, older voters, African Americans, and Protestants also opposed. Support is strongest in New Your City. Every region of the state supports passage.

  • Hugo Chavez's Venezuela is more popular than the Republican Party.
  • PA-Sen: While the NRSC has called for the party to rally around Sen. Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania congressional delegation is sitting on the sidelines.

    The state’s Republican House Members indicated in separate interviews that they are not ready to endorse Specter, who faces a challenge next year from former Rep. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) in what is likely to be the toughest battle of his 30-year Senate career.

    Specter enjoyed the support of almost everyone in the delegation in 2004, when he narrowly defeated Toomey by less than 2 percent in the GOP primary. But with Specter trailing Toomey in polling on next year’s rematch, Pennsylvania Members aren’t inclined to choose sides for now.

    Specter leaned heavily on endorsements from more conservative House Republicans in 2004 to beat back Toomey. This action, while professed as "neutrality", is actually a stinging rebuke.

  • Charlie Pierce, shooting the messenger:

    d) I would like an explanation, in detail, of how much the people who work for the various "organically sprouting" news operations, both locally and nationally, actually will get paid. I know the HuffPo doesn't pay its contributors, and I'm willing to bet that nobody at A Better Oakland makes enough to live on, either. Is this the new business model for the new paradigm? Don't pay the reporters and writers?

    For Charlie Pierce and many of his journalism friends, this debate is about how they continue to get paid. For me, I don't give a shit who gets paid or how much, but whether people get the news they need to make informed decisions in a democracy. If people get paid in the process, great! If they don't, but people still get good information, then great!

    And you know what? Lots of "amateurs" are producing excellent information. Sometimes, even better than what the pros used to deliver. Now the old media types can rail and complain and bitch and moan about this, but it is what it is. The times are changing, and the culture with it. And consumers are getting increasingly sophisticated about how and where and from whom they consume their news. Shoot the messenger, Charlie, but it doesn't change anything. I'm not the reason people are deciding to take more direct ownership of their media production and consumption.

    Oh, and one more thing Charlie: The Huffington Post does pay its reporters.

  • MN-Sen: Sen. Al Franken starts staffing up his Senate office, even as Sore Loser Coleman continues to talk appeal.

    Then again, his previous appeal was filed on Day One.

  • Wingnuts sue Napolitano over extremism report. They really are working hard to protect the right of neo-Nazis to engage in domestic terrorism.

    Me, I'm so old that I remember wingnuts hating the ACLU for defending the rights of neo-Nazis to march in Skokie.

  • The Sun-Sentinel took a gander at Florida Gov. Charlie Crist's schedule:

    "I'm never not governor," Crist said this week. "I have no days off. I'm working all the time."

    But a Sun Sentinel review of the governor's detailed schedules for the past two years found he had no events or appointments on 62 weekdays -- the equivalent of three months. On another 74 weekdays -- or nearly four months -- his schedule shows him working only part of the day.

    Much of his time, however, is spent being a politician, campaign for McCain, etc.

  • Chris Hayes tweets:

    If a US soldier was captured and water boarded 183 times in one month, something tells me Fox News would say he was tortured.

  • The whole "going off the record" thing has gotten so out of control, you have administration officials invoking it while sitting on panel discussions with hundreds of journalists in the audience.
  • Every state should adopt the Idaho bicycle model -- which allows cyclists to treat stop signs like yield signs. It's a proven safe approach that better reflects the realities of the road:

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:02 PM PDT.

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  •  Republicans, the party of tax breaks (5+ / 0-)

    In OR, we had a bill up today to put a sunset on most tax breaks so they would be regularly reviewed (like every 4-6 years) and the Repubs stood up and said NO to cutting tax breaks.  Thankfully, they weren't nearly enough and the bill passed...

    "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

    by skywaker9 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:03:40 PM PDT

  •  Can we please torture Beck and Limbaugh! (3+ / 0-)
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    I need a new signature.

    by Mr Magu on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:04:07 PM PDT

  •  The NY poll on same-sex marriage is great news! (4+ / 0-)

    I wonder how much it will sway the bigots in the NY Senate?

    •  Bigots who rely on votes (1+ / 0-)
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      Dems 2008

      to get there?  Some.  It will sway those who are swayable.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:06:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Why do African-Americans oppose equality? (2+ / 0-)
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      boofdah, Egalitare

      I questioned the polling in California regarding Proposition 8, but more and more evidence indicates that a majority of African-Americans favor this form of discrimination.

      Why?  Are the black churches as homophobic as white churches?  Are a higher percentage of African-Americans churchgoers?

      I have a really difficult time accepting this regrettably apparent fact.

      •  Oh no - this is a can of worms (5+ / 0-)

        (duck and cover!!)

        •  We target certain constituencies with rage and (4+ / 0-)

          lay off others. It's grossly hypocritical and petty. Rather than single out African Americans on this issue or whites, Christians, all Southerners etc. on others, how about Kossacks leave the broad brushes to the wingnuts altogether?

          (-2.38, -3.28) Independent thinker

          by TrueBlueDem on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:25:32 PM PDT

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          •  Can I word this another way? (2+ / 0-)
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            esquimaux, Independant Man

            Can we please not start this shit again?  Please?  I'm begging you.

            If you've made your point, stop talking.

            by vcthree on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:30:03 PM PDT

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          •  God forbid we do not stick our heads in the sand? (1+ / 0-)
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            TLS66

            Do you not think it is interesting that a group who has been subjected to probably the worst discrimination in history has a majority/plurality/significant numbers (whatever your interpretation) opposed to marriage equality?

            If we do not ask the question, we will never have a chnace to find the answer.  Without the answer, we might not have the opportunity to change minds.

            I understand why evangelical white people oppose marriage equality.  I merely want to know the answer to the question.

            If the polling is flawed, explain why.

            We should not trumpet the polling on one hand but conveniently ignore anything we do not like.

            •  It's not that hard to fathom. (4+ / 0-)

              Black southern baptists are incredibly homophobic.  It is embedded in their understanding and practice of Christianity.

              Go to church in Sardis, MS or anywhere else in the Deep South and see for yourself.  

              Even the public school admins use homophobia to motivate the kids--"pull your pants up before some fag nails you" kind of stuff.

              Historically Christianity was used as a tool to control slaves; yet at the same time the slaves used Christianity to their own ends, as hope for a better future, as a refuge where once a week they were free from whites and could speak freely, etc.

              There is also the issue of masculinity.  In a racist society where black masculinity is seemingly belittled--with disparate arrest rates, multi-tiered wage structures, and much else--the response from young black men is hyper masculinity, hence the homophobia.

      •  how many broad brushes can one put (5+ / 0-)

        into one post?

        let me count the ways. one. two. three.....

        /tootsie roll pop commercial

        (0.12, -3.33) ONE America! Yes! We really are ONE America!

        by terrypinder on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:10:45 PM PDT

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        •  Freddy Bear does have a point. (3+ / 0-)

          It's understandable that a privileged "majority" group of people (White Protestants) would be inclined to discriminate against and oppress a minority group of people. (Ironically enough, said right-wingers who use religion to justify their homophobic heebeegeebees cry, "Help! You're oppressing us from our 'freedom' to discriminate express our 'Christianity!')

          However, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that people who collectively HAVE been oppressed and discriminated against--for centuries--wouldn't tend to have a modicum of empathy for the latest group of people in the U.S. to have their rights threatened. "Churchgoing" or not, it doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense (and keep in mind that Christians can be GLBT and vice versa, so "churchgoing," although used as an excuse to discriminate by many a right-wing "Christian," should have nothing to do with it).

          End the gerrymandering; stand for fairness in Florida: FairDistrictsFlorida.org

          by boofdah on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:22:43 PM PDT

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          •  At the risk of being flailed myself, (2+ / 0-)
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            sometimes I think the same about Jews.  I have a lot of Jewish friends who will say, straight out, that for a people who have been persecuted for so long,  Jews can have incredibly harsh views against those of the Muslim faith.

          •  Yeah, I know what you mean (1+ / 0-)
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            boofdah

            Like the American settlers, claiming to be escaping oppression, turn around and become the oppressors.

            Life is strange in many ways.

            Listen to Ray Taliaferro on KGOradio.com, 1 a.m.-5 a.m. Pacific time, M-F

            by SoCaliana on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:37:12 PM PDT

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        •  Should we just ignore inconvenient facts like (0+ / 0-)

          Republicans?

          Are you saying more African-Americans support marriage equality than oppose it?

          If you have evidence to counter, please provide links.

          •  49% is not a majority. (0+ / 0-)

            that, in itself, tells me more African Americans support marriage equality then oppose it.

            (0.12, -3.33) ONE America! Yes! We really are ONE America!

            by terrypinder on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:31:05 PM PDT

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            •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

              How can 7 be more than 2 or 10 be more than 8 just be 7 and 10 are not as large as 20?

              I did mistakenly say majority instead of plurality.  

              In order for a majority to support equality, all the undecided would need to side with equality.  Mroeover, undecideds in this type of issue could almost all oppose civil rights but do want to admit that opinion to a stranger.

        •  Broad brushes are the norm here (1+ / 0-)
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          PsychoSavannah

          just not against constituencies that vote Democratic.

          Rather than doing a complete 180 on our supposed values each time the issue of the day changes, it sure would be nice if blacks, whites, Jews, Christians, Southerners, etc. etc. could be treated with some respect and not painted into some ugly corner when we disagree with them.  

          (-2.38, -3.28) Independent thinker

          by TrueBlueDem on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:30:01 PM PDT

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      •  One reason African Americans might oppose equalit (0+ / 0-)

        is because Kos doesn't even know the name of the Governor of New York.  

      •  What a broad brush you paint with (1+ / 0-)
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        lgmcp

        I questioned the polling in California regarding Proposition 8, but more and more evidence indicates that a majority of African-Americans favor this form of discrimination.

        Nitpicking, but only 49% of blacks opposed marriage equality in this poll.

        Why?  Are the black churches as homophobic as white churches?  Are a higher percentage of African-Americans churchgoers?

        Actually, church attendance is a much better indicator of conservative social values for whites than it is for blacks.

        And much of it is based on education inequality.  Due to a variety of structural factors, blacks get a worse education than whites.  Education is highly correlated with tolerance.

        •  Great--give me explanations (1+ / 0-)
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          malibu1964

          Why would church attendance explain white views but not African-American views?

          Fair criticism of "majority" because I should have said plurality based on this poll.

          If the reason is education, then does church have any influence at all?  Are a signifncat number of Southern whites homophobic because of a lack of education or because of church?

          Science does not allow us to say "Two groups are uneducated and go to church.  Both groups are homophobic.  One is homophobic because of church and the other is homophoic because of a lack of education.  How did we reach that conclusion?  Uh..............."

          •  Non-Christians can be just as homophobic (0+ / 0-)

            All my IP addresses have been banned from Redstate.com.

            by charliehall on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:17:04 PM PDT

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          •  This is a book-length topic (2+ / 0-)
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            Egalitare, SoCaliana

            You're oversimplifying by assuming factors either matter or they don't; in reality, multiple factors have varying degrees of significance.

            Why would church attendance explain white views but not African-American views?

            The black church in the US developed almost independently of the white church.  It's always been the basis for black participation in social progress, particularly in the civil rights movement.  Nearly every progressive black leader has roots in church.

            White evangelical churches, on the other hand, have generally been at the forefront of fighting social progress.  

            There's also an enormous difference in the significance black evangelicals and white evangelicals place on marriage equality.  It's rarely a significant determinant for black voters in candidate elections, much less so than for evangelical whites.

      •  Because it gets loud "Amens" on Sunday (0+ / 0-)

        I consider myself a recovering Black Baptist. I occassionally attend services of a church known as a hotbed for social justice and community activism, but I am there for the entertainment, the social interaction and the activism networking.

        From from my limited "nonbelieving" perspective, there exists a degree of "exceptionalism" when many devout Black Christians regard LGTB issues. No cause was or will ever be as worthy of attention and importance as the Civil Rights movement. It also suggests why there is a reluctance for "us" to embrace the plight of undocumented residents or Palestinians. I infer a step below fear that the righteousness of the struggles of our fathers might be matched by these contemporary invocations of justice.

        Not an excuse, simply an amateur observation.

        Single Payer...NOW!!!

        by Egalitare on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:35:46 PM PDT

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      •  split on the issue != "oppose" (1+ / 0-)
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        SoCaliana

        this poll found them to be split 40-49 i think. that's hardly uniform opposition to marriage equality and your over generalization is not helpful.

        as for why african americans trail white democrats on this issue, the answer is probably little more than their higher level (on average) of religious observance.

        "I don't think they're going to be any more successful in 2010" -Yes On 8 co-manager

        by jethropalerobber on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:42:50 PM PDT

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    •  It isn't coming up for a vote this session (0+ / 0-)

      Meaning not until 2011 at the earliest. The votes aren't there.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/...

      And if the Republicans win the Governor's office in 2010 -- which is not unlikely -- it will be even longer before SSMs can be perfomed in NYS.

      All my IP addresses have been banned from Redstate.com.

      by charliehall on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:16:17 PM PDT

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      •  Note also the recent Quinnipiac Poll (0+ / 0-)

        Given three choices, 41 percent of New York State voters say gay couples should be allowed to marry legally, while 33 percent say they should be allowed to form civil unions, but not marry and 19 percent say there should be no legal recognition of a gay union.

           * Among Republicans, 26 percent support gay marriage, with 36 percent for civil unions and 28 percent for no recognition.
           * Democrats go 49 percent for gay marriage, 29 percent for civil unions and 17 percent for no recognition.
           * Independent voters go 41 percent for gay marriage, 40 percent for civil unions and 14 percent for no recognition.

        http://www.quinnipiac.edu/...

        Maybe SSM supporters should try for civil unions? Even Rudy Giuliani supports them.

        All my IP addresses have been banned from Redstate.com.

        by charliehall on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:27:56 PM PDT

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  •  If you should encounter any dictators today ... (10+ / 0-)

    Shake their hand and give them a smile. It really freaks them out.

    The Republican brand: "Consequences, schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich"

    by D in Northern Virginia on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:05:12 PM PDT

  •  Does Iraq have immunity for sponsoring terroism? (1+ / 0-)
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    That was the question before the Supreme Court today.

    From Oyez:

    Facts of the Case:

    In 2003, plaintiffs sued the Republic of Iraq in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia for intentional infliction of emotional distress alleging they had been tortured and taken hostage during the 1990-1991 Gulf War. The plaintiffs relied on 28 U.S.C. Section 1605(a)(7), an exception to the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act (FSIA), which allowed for lawsuits against state sponsors of terrorism. Iraq moved to dismiss arguing that Section 1605(f) provides a limitations period of ten years for any action filed under Section 1605(a)(7). The district court agreed and dismissed the suit.

    After the plaintiffs' appeal, Congress passed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which revised Section 1605(a)(7) granting the President authority to waive the exception to the FSIA with respect to Iraq, which he did. Iraq subsequently contended that because of the revision, the case should be dismissed. The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit disagreed and reversed the district court. It held that the district court had jurisdiction. The court reasoned that the plaintiffs' lawsuit was filed on time and not barred by the President's waiver.
    Question:

    Do American courts have jurisdiction over lawsuits filed prior to the revision of 28 U.S.C. Section 1605(a)(7) against the Republic of Iraq when the alleged misdeeds occurred under the regime of Saddam Hussein?

    http://www.oyez.org/...

    Transcript is here: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/...

    "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

    by skywaker9 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:05:23 PM PDT

  •  For the first time every, I am moved to proclaim (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    I <3 NY! </p>

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:05:29 PM PDT

  •  Does anyone know this guy? (6+ / 0-)

    He asked the following question at last Tuesday's White House press briefing:

    Tomorrow is tax day and a number of conservative groups are organizing these so called "tea parties" across the country; there are going to be grassroots uprising revolts against the administration’s policies so far. Is the President aware that these are going on and do you have any reaction to this?

    I have been unable to ascertain the identity of this Jeff Gannon wannabe, so I'm turning to the dKos community for help.

    ~
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    by KingOneEye on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:05:40 PM PDT

  •  A better solution for bikes (5+ / 0-)

    is to stop having bike lanes that end in the middle of the road!  I see them all over the place and it's just mindboggling how anyone would create a bike lane like that.

    •  Probably only had funding (0+ / 0-)

      for a certain distance.

    •  yes, and bicyclists need to learn how to (4+ / 0-)

      ride in a lane (not dart in and out of parked cars, and definitely not on the sidewalk where they can actually kill somebody).  I am a bicycling commuter and I see dangerous behavior all the time from bicyclists, and the occasional jerkwad in a car who thinks bicycles shouldn't be on the road.

      •  Jerkwad Bike Commuters (2+ / 0-)

        As a cyclist who logs in 200 miles a week, I get more annoyed by jerkwad bike commuters and other self-righteous cyclists who who want to tell you how to cycle than I do most drivers. Nobody in a car would think to chase down another driver to chastise them for driving in a manner they didn't like. Why do some cyclists feel they have to do that to other cyclists? If you do not like how I cycle, STFU and call the police or something. (Of course 99.99% of bike commuters don't stand a snow balls chance in hell of catching me.)

        I am guessing this won't be a popular comment.... LOL!

        Signature Impaired.

        by gttim on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:15:38 PM PDT

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        •  That's never happened to me (2+ / 0-)
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          That's weird.

        •  Maybe you do need the cops called on you (4+ / 0-)

          If you annoyed another bicyclist that much, you really need to reconsider how you ride.

          I assume you are not the guy in Madison who assaulted another bicyclist who told him he needed to have a light on at night.

        •  Ah, you must be the Lance-wanna-be (1+ / 0-)
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          pHunbalanced

          Jerk-wad bike commuters?  Seriously...You must be one of the guys/girls who use recreational century rides as their personal race training.  Instead of leaving early with the rest of those riders, you like to show how fast you are with the moderate paced riders:  bombing down the hill about 2 inches from other riders handlebars, never alerting anyone that you are passing on the left or right, usually dressed in all look alike kits like lemmings, grabbing food at the rest stops with never a thank you for the volunteers there.

          I saw you riding in Napa this weekend and a bunch of us thought YOU were the "jerk-wad."

          If Liberals Hated America, We'd Vote Republican

          by QuarterHorseDem on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:42:56 PM PDT

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        •  Too funny... (0+ / 0-)

          I agree, and I also am damned unlikely to be caught.

          I haven't (BI)cycle commuted in a few years, but when I did I'd fixate on a car in traffic in front of me until I caught it, then pick another (mostly in Providence and Boston traffic).

          "I teach Sunday School Mutherf&@#er!"-S.Colbert

          by Independant Man on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:43:03 PM PDT

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    •  Rolling stops are safe and efficient (4+ / 0-)

      It's silly to insist on dead stops for bicyclists.

      •  i used to think that too (1+ / 0-)
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        until i nearly got creamed by a Prius...

        (0.12, -3.33) ONE America! Yes! We really are ONE America!

        by terrypinder on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:38:46 PM PDT

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      •  "Rolling stops" aka "California stops" (2+ / 0-)
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        are what auto drivers do when they don't come to a complete stop before continuing through the intersection.  Considering how many times I've almost been hit (as a driver, cyclist, or walker) by such drivers running Stop signs, I would be one cyclist against loosening the requirements even for cyclists.

        My Karma just ran over your Dogma

        by FoundingFatherDAR on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:40:04 PM PDT

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      •  Goes for cars too (2+ / 0-)
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        freelunch, esquimaux

        It's not like having to stop and start a car is good for the environment and it's not like the dangers are more for a car doing a rolling stop. The problem is that self-righteous, unthinking bastards will ruin it for everyone by abusing the right.

        And, lets be honest, there's a sizable percentage of recreational bicyclists who can go toe to toe with anybody in the world when it comes to being self-righteous, unthinking bastards.


        I've got an overload of bottomless thought right here in my left fist

        by Harry Tuttle on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:48:34 PM PDT

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        •  We've seen that (2+ / 0-)
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          pHunbalanced, esquimaux

          A bicyclist who makes custom bicyles was attacked by another bicyclist when the first recommended that the emotionally unstable one get a light for riding in the dark.

        •  Not as safe in cars (0+ / 0-)

          Safety in cars is illusory.  A driver in a car has severely restricted sense of the environment.  There are all kinds of visual obstacles (the frame of the car, the rear-view mirrors, permits and other stickers on the windshield) and limited hearing because of the noise of the car, the radio, the soundproof windows, etc.  A bicyclist has an unobstructed 360-degree field of vision and can hear what's going on around him.  Really it's much safer for a bicyclist to roll through a stop than for a driver to do the same.  

        •  Cars are way more dangerous (1+ / 0-)
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          Independant Man

          they kill 40k+ a year. Bikes? Way way waaaaaaaay less.

          And traffic law is pretty much a balancing act between safety, and efficient travel between point A and point B.

          I mean, we could prevent all those car deaths by implimenting a blanket, national 15 MPH speed limit for all cars. But that would be crazy.

          Just like requiring a vehicle that poses as little danger to others as a bicycle - but is so absolutely dependent on momentum to be at all practical as transportation - to perform the same absolutely dead stop as a vehicle 100 times its size.

      •  or for cars for that matter :) (0+ / 0-)

        "I don't think they're going to be any more successful in 2010" -Yes On 8 co-manager

        by jethropalerobber on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:45:55 PM PDT

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    •  That bike video makes some sense, but (1+ / 0-)
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      leberquesgue

      it's a bit silly at the same time.

      The proposal is to legalize something that everyone does anyway. It wouldn't make much difference in the real world.

      I suppose it works as an awareness campaign as much as a law, and the fact that it's tied to a proposed law helps to support that side of it.

      I can't go to the doctor

      by VictorLaszlo on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:30:16 PM PDT

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      •  The whole point of what everybody does (3+ / 0-)

        When everyone breaks the law because the law makes no sense, it's time to reform the law.

      •  Bikes can´t stop for stop signs... (0+ / 0-)

        Another wrinkle in this is that cars EXPECT cyclists to run stop signs.

        I experienced this in New Haven. I started as a very cautious cyclist and obeyed all the rules of the road the same as a car.

        But after having hand-signal conversations with about 30 drivers -- you have right of way! i have to stop here! -- i decided to just do what the drivers expected me to do. Meeting driver expectations is 95% of safety.

        Also, I am now in a country that has very few stop signs. There are just four way intersections, and some of them are VERY busy. There are occasional accidents, but when you KNOW you have to pay attention, you DO pay attention. There is a danger when a country´s system relies on signs. The driver begins to assume that everything is taken care of, and spends more time looking for signs that looking at the road.

        I think the United States is unique in the level of artificial management of traffic.

        Ring the bells that still can ring. Forget your perfect offering. -L. Cohen

        by inkadu on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 05:58:14 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Rolling stops for bikes... (0+ / 0-)

      The problem I see is that far too many cyclists don't yield to peds as it is.

  •  After this morning's Boehner loon watch vid, (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    lgmcp, esquimaux, jwinIL14

    I did a little idle bovine googling.  I'd forgotten all about this one.

    For you, John.  Don't tell me they're harmless:

    Finally, new songs up at da web site! Also. . . grumble grumble mutter mutter

    by Crashing Vor on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:06:05 PM PDT

  •  Norm Coleman doesn't need lawsuit, he needs (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    CityLightsLover, The Creator

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:06:58 PM PDT

  •  A green future in OR (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    CityLightsLover

    Link: Kulongoski says nation at a green turning point

    Quote:

    Gov. Ted Kulongoski has welcomed the National League of Cities to Oregon for the group's first-ever Green Cities Conference and Expo being held in Portland.

    Kulongoski boasted in his remarks Monday about Oregon and the steps both state and city governments have taken to embrace "green" technologies and ways of living.

    He says the state had a history of championing such things that dated to the late 1960s when Oregon passed the beach bill protecting shores from private development.

    The governor says the nation was in a "transformational period" and that a long-term, sustainable outlook was essential to moving forward.

    "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

    by skywaker9 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:07:55 PM PDT

  •  Jane Harmon committed treason (5+ / 0-)

    and should resign. AIPAC should be busted and broken.

    I'm so incensed at this.

  •  Where's jotter? n/t (5+ / 0-)

    The best way to save the planet is to keep laughing.

    by LaughingPlanet on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:08:32 PM PDT

  •  Do a good deed today (4+ / 0-)

    Go to the Hunger Site, and click away

  •  How come "Rule of Law" diaries & pot diaries (4+ / 0-)

    never clash so?

  •  DNA harvesting before convicted of a crime (6+ / 0-)

    Enforcement officials contend that DNA is blind to race. Federal profiles include little more information than the DNA sequence and the referring police agency. Subjects’ names are usually kept by investigators.

    Rock Harmon, a former prosecutor for Alameda County, Calif., and an adviser to crime laboratories, said DNA demographics reflected the criminal population. Even if an innocent man’s DNA was included in a genetic database, he said, it would come to nothing without a crime scene sample to match it. “If you haven’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear,” he said.

    Oh, great.  Yeah, really standing on admirable ground there.

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:08:59 PM PDT

  •  RE: bicycles yielding at stops (6+ / 0-)

    yes, I agree (as a commuter cyclist, and not a bicycling enthusiast).  This should also be true at stop lights (although the rule should probably be treat it as a stop sign), as some stop lights will not go green for a bicycle since it is not heavy enough to trip the sensor.

    •  I'm confused. Why is this safer than cars (3+ / 0-)

      going through stop signs or lights?

      And if this was addressed in the video, I apologize; I couldn't watch it.

      •  Sheer poundage? (5+ / 0-)

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:22:27 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  That's the only thing I can think of . . (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          beagledad, lgmcp

          but somehow I don't think it's the correct answer.

          •  cars will tend to have a much faster roll (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            pHunbalanced, pdxpletive

            but even if the roll is the same speed, the car carries a much larger amount of energy, and hence destructive power.  Bicyclists have much better visibility than cars do, also, in general.

            •  That's about it, cars are vastly (3+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              pHunbalanced, lgmcp, tegrat

              heavier (about 100 times heavier), and can accelerate more quickly and to higher speeds (with about 1000 times more energy), all with just a twitch of the foot.

              Cars are just more dangerous. They kill around 40,000 people a year. Not sure what the death rate from bike collisions is, but I'm guessing it's less.

              And tegrat's right in pointing out the visibility thing. Also, people on bikes can hear a lot better that people enclosed in cars.

              Then there's simple self-preservation: a person on a bike isn't protected by thousands of pounds of armor, so he or she has a motive to not lunge into dangerous situations.

              Of course, a few do anyway, and those are the ones people remember. It's that persistent memory everyone has of the occasional reckless bike rider cutting them off  - and the lingering fear and fury of that memory - that'll probably be the death of this law and others like it.

              Fear and anger defeating common sense. When does that ever happen?

            •  motive... (0+ / 0-)

              also, bicyclists have a fairly clear and immediate motivation for taking care at an intersection. It is called the will to live. The price of failing to cycle carefully is death, dismemberment, or permament disability. A government fine is not going to beat that.

              Ring the bells that still can ring. Forget your perfect offering. -L. Cohen

              by inkadu on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 06:01:05 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  Momentum (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        lgmcp, Indexer

        Bicycles, with their lower weight (mass), can stop in a much shorter distance than a car. So a bicyclist can stop in less time. And since a bicycle is going slower (typically) it can also stop in less distance, since distance is a function of speed and time.

        This is a point left out of an otherwise superb video, that bicycles are much more maneuverable and therefore able to adjust to traffic situations in a fraction of the time a car would take.

        Are you shaking or biting the invisible hand?

        by puppethead on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:26:57 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  how to differentiate rolling stop from no stop? (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          tegrat, Indexer, BardoOne

          Is there a good way to judge a safe rolling stop and an unsafe one?

          Probably an extreme, but on the college campus where I occasionally drove through, I remember several times where bicyclists slowed down through stop signs, but didn't stop even though I had already begun entering the intersection. Really scary, since in some cases the buildings blocked the ability for the bike rider to see up and down the cross road, and for me to see them coming to the intersection until I had already decided to go.

          That said, I think rolling stops are less of an issue for safety than bikes moving past stopped cars in between lanes. Really dangerous to do (remember one guy almost getting squished by a bus).

          •  This happens quite often (4+ / 0-)

            where I live. I can understand cyclists not wanting to have to completely stop and put a foot down, but too often I see bikes cruising through a stop sign or a red light at speed (or nearly at speed). Seems like a recipe for disaster to me.

            •  there is plenty of unsafe bicycling to go around (3+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              pHunbalanced, Indexer, squarewheel

              no doubt about it, education is key (and acceptance from car drivers that bicyclists have equal rights).  Ironically, I often come to a stop sign where there is already a car stopped, I stop, but the driver insists that I go first.  I find this very annoying, although I know they of course don't intend it that way, but it is a bit condescending in a weird way, like I was handicapped or something.  I think it's just best if everybody obeys the rules (including the rolling stop rule for cyclists).

            •  Is it? (0+ / 0-)

              What's the rate of disaster?  Deaths of bicyclists where the bicyclist was at fault are pretty rare.  Just because something "seems like a recipe for disaster" doesn't mean it is.  

              •  Actually it is. (0+ / 0-)

                I don't know the rate (and sorry but I don't feel like looking it up right now) but around here most of the bicycle accidents are just this kind of thing. At a stop sign, usually a four-way, and the cyclist gets creamed because they've gone through the intersection out of turn. I'm not assigning blame here since I'm one of those who thinks that it's the motorist's responsibility to watch out for bad behavior, but that's the way it is.

        •  Tell that to my two dead friends (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          freelunch

          and their family and friends who grieved for them.  I know of people killed while riding their bikes because some idiot driver ran a Stop sign, traffic light, or in the one case drove in the wrong lane  against traffic.

          My Karma just ran over your Dogma

          by FoundingFatherDAR on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:46:44 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Maybe... (0+ / 0-)

      But generally my experience is that signaled intersecions, particularly during commute rush, have heavy traffic and not really practical for a rolling stop.  I personally don't run red lights, but it seems I've been using the Idaho law for all my life.
       

    •  It's not weight (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tegrat

      It's electromagnetics that trip most traffic light sensors (those that aren't set up with cameras or simple timers to sense a vehicle approaching).

    •  The best solution for that is to treat the light (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tegrat

      as broken, which means that you treat it like a stop sign.

      "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

      by enhydra lutris on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:56:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The original Idaho law allowed for treating (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tegrat

      ...stop lights as stop signs, for the simple reason they didn't want to deal with the expense of installing sensors that were sensitive enough to detect bikes.

      The Oregon version of the law would not allow for doing the same, it's just about treating stops as yields.

    •  Sensors (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      pHunbalanced

      All the ones I have encountered are magnetic.  If you have a steel frame bike and it won't trip, I've found that tipping the bike over on its side (presenting a profile more like a small car) will trip it.

      •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

        None of the modern (last 30 years) traffic light sensors work that way.  They all work by detecting a disturbed magnetic field generated from the sensor itself.  They can detect steel, yes, but they can equally well detect any conductive metal, like aluminum.  They cannot detect your carbon fiber wheels, which is a problem.

        The best way to trip these, if you have aluminum rims, is to put your wheel directly over the sawcut in the road surface where the wire is buried.  If you ride in the middle of the loop, it won't find you.

  •  So who's opposing gay marriage? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Dems 2008

    Republicans strongly oppose passage,
    with men,

    Sexist.

    older voters,

    Ageist.

    African Americans,

    Racist.

    and Protestants

    ummm ... Protest-ist???

    also opposed.

  •  I'd Love to "See" You @ the COUNTDOWN Diary! (6+ / 0-)

    Come over every night before the repeat to discuss all the news that's fit to count down - thanks!

    On behalf of my entire state, I apologize for Evan Bayh!

    by CityLightsLover on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:09:15 PM PDT

  •  FBI used spyware to catch cable-cutting extortion (4+ / 0-)

    http://www.computerworld.com/...

    FBI used spyware to catch cable-cutting extortionist
    CIPAV spyware helped nab unemployed engineer angry over outsourcing

    April 18, 2009 (Computerworld) The FBI used spyware to catch a Massachusetts man who tried to extort money from Verizon Communications Inc. and Comcast Corp. by cutting 18 cables carrying voice and data in 2005, documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by Wired.com revealed yesterday.

    Although the man's name was redacted in the documents provided to the Web site, their description of the case matches that of Danny M. Kelly, an unemployed engineer who at the time lived in Chelmsford, Mass. According to federal court records, Kelly was accused of cutting a total of 18 above-ground communications cables between November 2004 and February 2005 as part of a plot to extort money from Verizon and Comcast.

    "Kelly sent a series of anonymous letters to Comcast and Verizon, in which he took responsibility for the cable cuts and threatened to continue and increase this activity if the companies did not establish multiple bank accounts for him and make monthly deposits into these accounts," the original complaint read.

    According to the complaint, Kelly demanded $10,000 monthly from each company, and he told the firms to post the bank account information on a private Web page that he demanded they create.

    Dear GOP&Conservatives If all you have to offer are Cliches and Hyperbole then STFU. Thanks XOXOXO

    by JML9999 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:10:01 PM PDT

    •  That was a weird incident (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JML9999

      yet I had lost track of the outcome, so thanks.  But what a moron you have to be to think they won't trace the money.  As sheer monkey-wrenching, it might go unpunished, but dollars leave trails.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:24:27 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  NPR's "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" this weekend... (8+ / 0-)

    Peter Segal was talking about Bo (the dog) and that he reportedly was seen humping the president's leg, after which, MSNBC's Chuck Todd was heard to ask, "Isn't that supposed to be our job?"  I thought it was hilarious.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:10:29 PM PDT

  •  Regarding the Idaho bicycle model: (12+ / 0-)

    Every state should adopt the Idaho bicycle model -- which allows cyclists to treat stop signs like yield signs...

    Driving would be safer if all drivers treated 'Yield' signs like 'Yield' signs.

    Barack Obama in the Oval Office. There's a black man who knows his place.

    by Greasy Grant on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:10:35 PM PDT

  •  According to that CNN poll, (10+ / 0-)

    Obama shouldn't worry about shaking hands with dictators affecting his image.  He should worry about his image being tarnished by being polite to Republicans.

    Hey, Glenn, I'll give you something to cry about.

    by The Creator on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:10:50 PM PDT

  •  Obamas 420 Head Fake (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SoCaliana

    Grow Marijuana go to Prison, Torture a Detainee to Death and earn a Medal. No wonder people get high.

    by SmileySam on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:11:09 PM PDT

  •  Paid journalists (5+ / 0-)

    need to compete just like everyone else.

    There are many who do excellent work, work that isn't reproduced in the Blogosphere. Particularly impressive are local community paper journalists who track municipal politics, which tends to be unglamorous work for bloggers.

    One thing that shocks me is the poor quality of science reporting in newspapers. Articles that cover paleoanthropology tend to be horrifically wrong.

    John Boehner: Bovine Gastroenterology Expert.

    by Bobs Telecaster on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:12:05 PM PDT

    •  I find it hilarious that... (0+ / 0-)

      ..someone ridiculing reporters for wanting to be paid for their work thinks the Governor of New York is named Peterson.

      It's not quite today's earlier mention of 'duck tape.' But it makes this particular person, who pays his mortgage trying to get actual responsible truthful journalism into print and is getting just a little miffed at Kos' daily cheerleading of the the death of an industry because of the transgressions of a few, a little more cheerful.

      Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

      by HollywoodOz on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 06:35:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Give me one Charles Pierce (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jim J, Smirking Chupacabra

    over 10 Markos Mouliastisus any day of the week!!

    •  Let's not go that far (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Ed Tracey

      but Charlie is one of the good guys, and one of the few people that Steve Gilliard (RIP) would do a "I'm not worthy" bow down to.

      Kos, can you and Charlie not beat each other up, please?

      •  Charlie is a star, no question ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... but every-once-in-awhile, he goes off the deep-end (both in his sports as well as his political commentaries). That's the price one pays to hear some truly perceptive commentary the vast majority of the time.

        "We should pay attention to that man behind the curtain."

        by Ed Tracey on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:54:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Hastert considers running for IL-14? - *shudder* (0+ / 0-)

    No not that Hastert, this one.   Rumor is the rethugs here are hot to unseat Foster.

  •  Free lunch journalism????? (5+ / 0-)

    For me, I don't give a shit who gets paid or how much, but whether people get the news they need to make informed decisions in a democracy.

    Sure, 'cause you're getting paid very nicely, thank you.  And remember, there ain't no free lunch.

    •  Absolutely. (8+ / 0-)

      This is Markos' blind spot. The last thing we need are "amateur" journos. They'll work at it for a while, but eventually, you've gotta eat, raise a family, etc.

      Before anyone comments, no -- I don't think that many WAPO and NYT reporters are real good and I think we need to break up the social club that has risen up there. But no more decently paid journalists who do good work? No -- a thousand times no. People who are good at their jobs expect to get paid.

      •  If you don't expect journalists to get paid (4+ / 0-)

        then what's the point of the Kos Fellows program? After all, those front pagers should be willing to work for free -- and maybe after paying for the servers (and maybe ct who maintains them), the excess ad revenue should be returned to the members of Daily Kos.

        Maybe it should be more a matter of pay for performance -- everyone gets a base salary, but if you do a bang up job you get "performance bonuses", like if you break a major scandal or you win a Pulitzer.

        Hey Republicans -- GO GALT YOURSELF!!!

        by Cali Scribe on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:33:03 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  It's a question of first principles (0+ / 0-)

      Of the two:

      1.  Journalists get paid.

      and

      1.  People get the news they need to make informed decisions in a democracy.

      which is the most important?  I believe Markos' view is that we have 1, but that isn't giving us 2.  Now it might be that 1 contributes to 2, but it is evident that 1 is not always required for 2, and 2 is the more important principle.

      •  Why are they mutually exclusive? (0+ / 0-)

        Kos' real beef isn't with reporters, it's with editorial boards and op-ed columnists. I wish to hell he'd realize that and stop pounding on the hundreds of thousands of people currently employed in the business of responsibly gathering news.

        I would have thought the Jeff Gannon affair would have taught Kos all he needs to know about what happens when you 'crash the gates' and leave the door open to anyone and everyone, at the expense of all else.

        Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

        by HollywoodOz on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 06:38:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Who said they are? (0+ / 0-)

          But there are a lot of people who believe that 1. Journalists get paid automatically leads to 2.  People get the news they need to make informed decisions in a democracy.  And conversely, that if 1 doesn't happen, 2 can't happen.  

          Newspapers are threatened because people are getting their source of news from somewhere else, and a fair amount of that is from unpaid sources.  Many people involved with newspapers denigrate these unpaid sources, sneering at them because they are supposedly "less" than the paid sources.

          While I as a consumer of news can both pay for a newspaper and follow unpaid sources, then even if I find the unpaid sources more valuable, I should continue to pay for the newspaper if I believe principle 1 is more important.  If I consider principle 2 more important, then paying for the newspaper becomes something quite a bit less important, and I might choose to spend the money on something else.

          I no longer subscribe to the local newspaper, and while a fair amount of that has to do with the lack of quality reporting, there is also the fact that I hate dealing with the physical paper itself.  I have to pick it up, bring it in, the bag it is in may be dripping wet, I have to clear a large area in order to be able to spread it out to read, the stories get disconnected with "continued on page F27", the ink gets on my fingers, the recycle bin is largely taken up by newspapers and is a lot heavier, and consuming that much paper every day is a serious waste.

          •  All the tings you said you dislike about papers.. (0+ / 0-)

            ...are things easily fixed.

            The paper I worked for did their research and found people don't like 'turns', so you don't find any more 'continued on page X' in ours anymore. Physical paper size is too big? Easy enough for a paper to hear that and switch to a tabloid format (and more and more are doing just that).

            Lack of local quality reporting? If you don't tell them, they'll just keep using wire copy and think there's no downside.

            Ultimately, if you have a beef with your paper, but don't tell them, then you can't complain when nothing changes.

            Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

            by HollywoodOz on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 08:37:36 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  That Siena poll has some extreme numbers (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    skywaker9

    Cuomo beats Paterson 64-11, Giuliani beat Paterson 56-29, and Cuomo beats Giuliani 53-39.

    9ui11ani still somehow has a 55-41 approval rating, including a 43% favorable rating from Democrats.  Weird.

    Cuomo's popular among every group, including Republicans (51-38) and Indies (62-22).

    Gillibrand has a 33-23 favorable rating, and 51% of Dems and NYC residents have no opinion of her.  

  •  Well, Kos isn't working for free (10+ / 0-)

    and neither are the front pagers. But Pierce's concerns are not unfounded.  Some types of journalism are better done by people working full time.  How are we expecting they will do thatin a model where nobody cares to pay anybody?

    I think some folks are a bit mislead because they see all this great content on the blogs right now, and places like MinnPost (quoted on the front page today), and they think, that's the way it's going to be. But we are in a transition period now, where a lot of writers and journalists have been layed off. that's how MinnPost got all its people, by the way. If they hadn't been laid off, they'd be at their old employers - the Minneapolis newspapers and TV stations.

    If fewer people go into journalism because they can't make a living at it, eventually that artificial surplus will dry up. We will still have great citizen journalism of SOME things (much of what we do at daily kos), but I predict huge holes in coverage, particularly in foreign correspondance and local news.

    •  indeed (8+ / 0-)

      the idea that bloggers, even well-motivated ones, could have exposed Abu Ghraib, wiretapping, Jessica Lynch, etc. on their own without paid professionals doing ALL of the legwork is just plain silly and childish.

      is the HuffPost paying their writers something new? they certainly did not used to do so...and I wonder what the rate is?

      reading this post again, it sounds downright hostile to the idea that journalism can and should be a profession. I think most would see Kos' position here as quite extreme - which it is.

      Terry Gross: So, why do you have an Afro?

      ?uestlove: Because I'm secretly a Chia-pet.

      by itsbenj on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:30:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not to defend bad decisions made by news corps... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      decembersue, Ed Tracey

      But I think that the most persuasive argument that is made in defense of print journalism is that it remains the only news source that has the institutional resources and knowledge to engage in many types of investigative journalism.  Blogging and citizen journalism produces opinion, analysis, and real-time and ongoing journalism to match anything produced by print, but these tend to be the types of reportage that can be done with a relatively small investment of time and resources (generally speaking).  Journalism that requires significant travel, research resources, or a long-term investment of time is less likely to be done.  

      David Simon (of Wire fame) recently wrote in the Post that when he was a police beat writer for the Baltimore Sun, he was able to build up a network of connections in the police department and among the local judiciary that allowed him to cite public record disclosure rule and regulation to police desk officers to compel them to release crime reports, officer-involved shooting reports, and so on and so forth.  It was his tenure in the job and the institutional resources of the Sun that forced the gates open.  This doesn't happen for citizen journalists and bloggers, at least not yet.

      The rule of law is not only enforced by prosecuting torturers and enablers - the press has always served as a check on power, and the instability and decay that is afflicting print media does have consequences.  Journalists rarely make any sort of real money, and many sacrifices are made to write the kind of stories that do hold those responsible accountable.  Hating Judith Miller is not reason enough to ignore the larger context.

      I don't know that there is any real solution to the ills of the industry, but let's not pretend that creative destruction always has beneficial results.

      My stalker just grunted on my twitter!

      by mighty monkey on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:05:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Indeed. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Ed Tracey

        The first time a 'citizen journalist' is quoted $2000 for a freedom of information request, the difference between the amateur and the pro is abundantly clear.

        And the first time an 'independent online news resource' is sued by a large corporation and has to fold because it can't handle the bills, the exclamation point will be well placed.

        Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

        by HollywoodOz on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 06:41:52 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  What's up with the Dow today? (5+ / 0-)

    Did Summers and Geithner forget to read it a bedtime story and tuck it in last night?

    Was President Obama too busy to take it out for ice cream and buy it a new puppy?

    Or is it full of shit as usual, even after 6 weeks of consecutive gains?

  •  Good news today on personal economic front: (9+ / 0-)

    I went to the county treasurer's office because I am behind (six months) on property taxes.  (Had to pay the feds and the state this year instead of a refund; sigh.)

    So, anyway, the VERY helpful young lady told me that
    (1)  It takes being 18 months in arrears before they start threatening you with a sheriff's sale;
    (2)  I don't have to pay the whole thing in a lump sum; I can just make payments for as much or as little as I want, by check in the mail or online or in person;
    (3)  That I came in and made a payment at all will help my case as far as avoiding a sheriff's sale, even if I stay behind.

    So, with that being one less worry, I went to the bank that holds my mortgage and paid the two months I am behind there, March and April.  I still owe some late fees, but I will deal with that later, since those two payments essentially zero'ed out my checking account.

    Here's a toast to the Nirron family staying in their home!

    (We got into this trouble in two ways:
    (1)  Paying $600/month for one family member's insurance, and
    (2)  Had to pay for mother-in-law's funeral last December.  We went with cremation, but still . . . .)

    To say my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:16:16 PM PDT

    •  Nice (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Dar Nirron

      I helped a friend with taxes this year who owed money to OR and they said that as long as she filed her return, they'd work with her on a payment plan...

      "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

      by skywaker9 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:18:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Obama does NOT plan to reopen NAFTA talks (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    enhydra lutris

    The Obama administration said on Monday that it had no plans to reopen negotiations on the North American Free Trade Agreement to revise its labor and environmental provisions, as then-Senator Barack Obama promised to do during his presidential campaign.

    In Shift, Obama Doesn't Plan to Reopen NAFTA Talks

  •  Right back atcha Charlie... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Dems 2008

    How can a deadwood newspaper afford to pay its writers?

  •  agreed on the bike thing (4+ / 0-)

    Stop signs in general are overused just to control traffic speed. Forcing a cyclist to completely stop and put a foot down is impractical and doesn't improve safety for anyone.

    •  It improves safety of pedestrians (4+ / 0-)

      who get mowed down by careless cyclists in crosswalks, when the pedestrian has the right of way.

      Cyclists in Seattle don't pay any damn attention to people walking. As long as there are no cars visible, they'll knock you flat on your ass speeding through intersections.

      They should follow traffic laws like everyone else has to -- including pedestrians. Otherwise, why pay any attention to "Walk/Don't Walk" signals?

      "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

      by Brooke In Seattle on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:38:26 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Mowing down a pedestrian is a failure to yield (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        pHunbalanced

        and under the Idaho Stop law it would receive an even bigger fine than it does currently.

      •  Hyperbole (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        pHunbalanced

        The rate of pedestrians getting mowed down by bicyclists is vanishingly small.  In a 1999 Federal Highway Administration survey of 1464 pedestrian injuries or deaths, 63% of the injuries were caused by the pedestrian alone (tripped, slipped, etc), 36% involved collision motor vehicles, and only 1% involved collision with bicycles.  Of the 21 pedestrian-bicycle collisions, 12 (57%) involved bicyclists on the sidewalk, which is a big no-no.  Therefore the incidence of pedestrians being injured by bicyclists in the roadway was at most 9 in 1464, or less than 1%.  

        Also, in the same study, nobody died from being hit by a bicyclist.

    •  I live in a town with thousands of bicyclists! (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      esquimaux

      The police  in Davis, CA (arguably the most bicycle friendly town in the USA and future home of the US Bicycling Hall of Fame!)ticket bicyclists for running stop signs.  When I'm biking I want the drivers to know I'm going to unclip and put my foot down, just as I want to know that they will respect the bike lane and stop at the stop signs(not to mention if twenty bikes all come to an intersection at once, which happens quite a bit in Davis, who yields?).  

      It would be chaos if we switched to a "bikes yield" instead of stop at stop signed intersections.  It might work in a place with fewer bikes(like Idaho), but it would be a disaster in N. California.  

      If Liberals Hated America, We'd Vote Republican

      by QuarterHorseDem on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:45:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Lots of bicyclists in Portland (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        pHunbalanced

        And it's being pushed here in the Oregon State Legislature (hence the video)

      •  Boise is comparable in size to Sacramento (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        pHunbalanced, Corey

        but Boise - which has had this law in effect for the last 27 years - has a much better safety record wrt bikes than Sacramento.

        So it's been proven safe there, but beyond that, it's proven safe by the fact that this is already common practice, everywhere. Bike riders roll stops all the time.

        I'm NOT talking about the dickheads who blast through stops cut people off, and scare pedestrians, I'm talking about people who do safe, courteous, rolling stops. They yield right-of-way as they should, but keep rolling if it's safe and clear.

        It's current safe practice, and this law was just attempting to make it not subject to the same massive fine - $242 here in Portland - as the dickheads would and should keep getting. And the law would bump up fines on genuinely bad behavior.

      •  Unclipping and putting your foot down (0+ / 0-)

        That's really more equivalent to car drivers putting their cars in park (or out of gear in a manual).

        •  No, It's called STOPPING (0+ / 0-)

          When I unclip from one pedal and put that foot down, I'm STOPPED, not rolling through.  When you stop your car at a stop sign you are not moving:  it's the same concept.

          If Liberals Hated America, We'd Vote Republican

          by QuarterHorseDem on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:01:54 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  I care that reporters get paid, actually (11+ / 0-)

    I like the idea of having some full-time reporters - and I think it's nice if they have a living wage.  When it gets to the point that the only people who can afford to be journalists are trust-fund babies or other independently wealthy folks, the quality of the stories goes down.  I'm sure that's why we've been treated to so many "how the rich are coping with the downturn" stories.

    Relying on independent, uncompensated writers has its limitations.  Look what happened to BiPM when his day job went away.  Our solution?  Pay him to write.

    They only call it Class War when we fight back.

    by lineatus on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:18:38 PM PDT

    •  kos just wants to lower his pay rates (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      HollywoodOz, lineatus

      running a business is expensive, what with payroll and all.

    •  If you don't need some sort of qualification... (0+ / 0-)

      ...to be a reporter, and some sort of credibility from the outlet that pays you, you end up with Jeff Gannons all over.

      Which, admittedly, we already have on the op-ed pages of most of corporate America's chain dailies, but that's the thing that really needs to be ended... not the paper itself.

      Kos is tossing out the baby with the bathwater.

      Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

      by HollywoodOz on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 06:44:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I will sign on for this... (10+ / 0-)

    Every state should adopt the Idaho bicycle model -- which allows cyclists to treat stop signs like yield signs. It's a proven safe approach that better reflects the realities of the road

    But only if pedestrians are given carte blanche to clothesline any cyclists using the sidewalk as their personal bike lane.

    DFooK

    If you're in trouble or hurt or need--go to poor people. They're the only ones that'll help--the only ones.

    by deepfish on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:18:42 PM PDT

    •  Thank you for bringing a laugh back. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      skywaker9, lirtydies, deepfish

      If you've made your point, stop talking.

      by vcthree on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:19:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  You wouldn't last long in the Netherlands (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      leberquesgue, deepfish

      Bikes have absolute right of way over pedestrians and motor vehicles. It took me a while to learn to watch for them just as much as for cars.

      On the other hand, once I was riding a bike there, combined with my being a Massachusetts driver, I was downright scary.

      happiness is two kids with jobs and no more college payments

      by DtheO on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:48:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Seconded. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      pHunbalanced, deepfish

      I'm all for bikes. But the first thing I learned back in grade-school bicycle safety was that sidewalks are for peds.

    •  bikes on sidewalks, blecch (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      deepfish

      Bikes on sidewalks are at risk of hitting pedestrians and being hit by car drivers pulling out of parking lots, alleys and driveways that (quite reasonably) don't expect something to be going 10-15 mph on the sidewalk.

      Where I live,it's illegal for anyone over 12 years old to ride on the sidewalk, but it's never enforced. I can see letting some old fart who's coasting along at 6 mph ride on the sidewalk but what I see more often are young people riding recklessly.

      Of course there are exceptions to every rule. Sometimes, when there is road construction, it's the only option. Of course, I suppose then the best thing is to get off and walk the bike.

  •  Where the hell did all the black people go ?????? (0+ / 0-)

    I was watching some of a repeat of Shawn Insanity's show on FAUX GOP DEATH TV the other night and he was in Alanta on teabagger day, they would show the crowd and I never saw 1 single black person....
    Where did all the black people go,cause there wernt any in the crowds and as a matter of fact I dont remember seeing any at any of the rallies...
    Insannity acts like a raceist so its understandable none there but what about the other ones with FAUX present...

  •  David Rivkin Pens Op-Ed Defends Torture (0+ / 0-)

    http://thinkprogress.org/...

    After Calling Waterboarding Torture In December, David Rivkin Pens Op-Ed Defending Its Use

    In today’s Wall Street Journal David Rivkin and Lee Casey — who have made something of a cottage industry out of defending the worst actions of the Bush administration — argue that the OLC torture memos released last week by the Obama administration "prove" that the Bush administration did not torture detainees. "Far from ‘green lighting’ torture...the memos detail the actual techniques used and the many measures taken to ensure that interrogations did not cause severe pain or degradation," they write.

    To support their argument, Rivkin and Casey claim that the memos show that the Bush administration made use of waterboarding only on a very limited and controlled basis. The tactics were "harsh," they acknowledge, but "fall well short of torture." Anyone claiming otherwise is exaggerating as a result of what they call "speculative rage":

     

    The memos are also revealing about the practice of "waterboarding," about which there has been so much speculative rage from the program’s opponents. The practice, used on only three individuals, involved covering the nose and mouth with a cloth and pouring water over the cloth to create a drowning sensation.

       This technique could be used for up to 40 seconds — although the CIA orally informed Justice Department lawyers that it would likely not be used for more than 20 seconds at a time. Unlike the exaggerated claims of so many Bush critics, the memos make clear that water was not actually expected to enter the detainee’s lungs, and that measures were put in place to prevent complications if this did happen and to ensure that the individual did not develop respiratory distress.

    Read the rest for a reality check

    Dear GOP&Conservatives If all you have to offer are Cliches and Hyperbole then STFU. Thanks XOXOXO

    by JML9999 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:19:32 PM PDT

  •  Lawyers Group Targets Ex-Pentagon Counsel (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenbird, missLotus

    For Sanctioning Torture

    Lawyers who reject President Barack Obama’s decision not to seek prosecution of officials who may have participated in the torture of terror-suspect prisoners are seeking justice through another avenue: Sanctions against government lawyers who created the "enhanced interrogation" policies of former President George W. Bush.

    Their first target is former Defense Department General Counsel William J. Haynes II. The San Francisco Bay Area chapter of the National Lawyers Guild (NLG) has filed a complaint against Haynes, asking the State Bar of California to investigate him and revoke his status as Registered In-House Counsel. Haynes is now an attorney with Chevron Corp. in San Ramon, Calif. The Los Angeles Times reports that a similar complaint is being prepared in Pennsylvania against former Justice Department lawyer John C. Yoo, the University of California Berkeley law professor, for his role in drafting the legal guidelines that approved enhanced interrogation techniques including waterboarding during his service in the DOJ’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) during the Bush Administration. >>>>>Rest Here

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:21:46 PM PDT

  •  VA Press Release: Opens New Website and Blog (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Brooke In Seattle

    VA Welcoming Vets Home with New Web Site, Blog

    WASHINGTON – The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has launched its new "Returning Veterans" Web site -- Returning Service Members (OEF/OIF) -- to welcome home Veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts with a social, Veteran-centric Web site focusing on their needs and questions.

    "VA is entering the world of Web 2.0, because that’s where this generation of Veterans is already communicating," said Dr. Gerald M. Cross, VA’s Principal Deputy Undersecretary for Health. "We’re opening our doors to them virtually to let them know what they can expect when they step through our doors in reality."

    The Web site will feature videos, Veteran stories, and a blog where Veterans are encouraged to post feedback.  The site also will restructure the traditional index-of-benefits format found on other VA pages into question-based, categorized, and easily navigated links by topic.  This will allow Veterans to find benefits of interest easily and discover related benefits as they explore.

    "We hope our returning Veterans find this site easy and helpful, but also engaging," Dr. Cross said. "As the site grows, we will be linking to Veterans’ blogs and highlighting more of their own stories from their own views.  We are their VA, so we are eager to provide a forum for Veterans to discuss their lives."

    #   #   #

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:22:07 PM PDT

  •  IT costs the NYT $644 million a year... (0+ / 0-)

    ...to print their daily and weekend enditions.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/...

    The Times receives $79 in ONLINE ad revenues. IT pays $200 million a year in newsroom wages and benefits.

    I'd be willing to bet that if the Times competely junked its dead tree edition -- and went 100% digital/online -- they could probably charge online ad rates comparable to their dead tree edition.

    If you factor that in with classified ads (nationally, now -- not juist in the NY area) -- then you could probably break even if you cut bloated payrolls.

  •  "New Your City ?" (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    AaronInSanDiego

    It's "Nieuw Amsterdam" for you young whippersnappers !

  •  I'm addicted to this place (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LaughingPlanet, SoCaliana, lovespaper

    but it's not healthy for me, and I can't get myself to leave. It's a serious problem.

    Economic Left/Right: -4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82
    This sig is the former home of a witty Monty Python quote.

    by AaronInSanDiego on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:22:35 PM PDT

  •  Wow, a dictator state is more popular (0+ / 0-)

    than the GOP.
    Perhaps America sees more virtue in a dictator whom admits what he is than a party that has no clear identity but obstructionism.

    -7.88/-4.41 "The blood sucking aristocracy stood aghast; terror stricken, they thought the day of retribution had come." - John Ferral, union leader

    by Interceptor7 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:23:33 PM PDT

  •  Former Camp Lejuene residents sought (0+ / 0-)

    The U.S. Marine Corps is trying to contact 500,000 people who lived and worked at Camp Lejeune, N.C., to warn them about tainted drinking water.

    The Corps is circulating fliers to be posted at bases around the world in an effort to track down an many Marines, civilians and families who lived at Camp Lejuene between November 1957 and February 1987, Stars and Stripes reported Monday.

    "We've started using different venues to reach different populations in different areas," Corps spokeswoman Capt. Amy Malugani told the newspaper, adding that the Department of the Navy has spent nearly $10 million on outreach campaigns.

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:23:37 PM PDT

  •  Is Cuomo definitely running for gov? (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not from NY, so I'm wondering, has he taken steps to run for gov, or does everyone assume he will because he polls quite well?

  •  How to help the newspapers (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Dar Nirron

    Hey Kos,

    You, and many other fine bloggers, are putting what amount to well-written newspaper articles out on the Internet for free distribution.

    It probably would not be difficult for a blogger to donate his or her blog to the inkstained wretches. They get a 'free' reporter, the blogger gets a wider exposure. Just so long as the people who click the blog article on the newspaper's website get redirected here, and dKos gets credit for the page views.

    Some Bowdlerizing might have to take place to put your blog in a 'family' newspaper. A little extra work on your part, perhaps.

    Can you say "win-win"? I knew you could!

    You cannot serve God, and money.

    by blue aardvark on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:24:00 PM PDT

    •  I had this same idea - in fact... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      blue aardvark

      ...if any blogger out there wants to demonstrate their astute citizen journalism and get a story in an establishment print outlet, for free of course (because who gives a shit about reporters being paid, right?) but with a credit to your site in the byline, I'll guarantee you a spot.

      centrifoogle@gmail.com

      Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

      by HollywoodOz on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 06:51:54 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Suggestion for Saturday hate mail stories: (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    leberquesgue, esquimaux, BardoOne

    Make a word cloud.  So we can see what is top in the "minds" of the hate mail wingnuts each week.

    To say my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:27:21 PM PDT

  •  I think Pierce's point might be (3+ / 0-)

    that free news reporting is not a sustainable democracy plan.

    There is the school of thought that people won't continuously provide content unless someone starts paying them to do so.

    klaatu barada nikto

    by JohnGor0 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:28:08 PM PDT

  •  Remember when... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    lirtydies, Dar Nirron

    The National Review Online (Deroy Murdock, "Waterboarding Has Its Benefits", November 5, 2007) said:

    U.S. and Pakistani authorities captured KSM on March 1, 2003 in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. KSM stayed mum for months, often answering questions with Koranic chants. Interrogators eventually waterboarded him — for just 90 seconds.

    KSM "didn’t resist," one CIA veteran said in the August 13 issue of The New Yorker. "He sang right away. He cracked real quick." Another CIA official told ABC News: "KSM lasted the longest under water-boarding, about a minute and a half, but once he broke, it never had to be used again."

    In fact, it turns out, KSM was waterboarded 183 times.

    So here's another documented media blitz using anonymous news sources to feed lies to compliant stenographers in the news media, this time for the purpose of defending a wide-ranging torture scheme.

  •  Obama will not reopen Nafta talks (0+ / 0-)

    In a Shift, Obama Doesn't Plan to Reopen NAFTA Talks

    The Obama administration said on Monday that it had no plans to reopen negotiations on the North American Free Trade Agreement to revise its labor and environmental provisions, as then-Senator Barack Obama promised to do during his presidential campaign.

    "The president has said we will look at all of our options, but I think they can be addressed without having to reopen the agreement," said Ronald Kirk, the United States trade representative.

    Mr. Kirk spoke in a conference call with reporters after returning from the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad over the weekend. He said President Obama conferred there with the leaders of Mexico and Canada — the other parties to the free trade agreement — and "they are all of the mind we should look for opportunities to strengthen Nafta."

    "History is a tragedy, not a melodrama." - I.F.Stone

    by bigchin on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:31:10 PM PDT

  •  ACLU and the Illinois Nazis (0+ / 0-)

    I'm recalling the ACLU taking a lot more flack from the left on that one than from the right. Of course the righties who did denounce the ACLU for taking the case were mostly driven by ulterior motives, from unrelated ACLU cases.



    Jane Harman's "I could have gone to jail if I talked about it" finally makes sense.

    by ben masel on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:35:25 PM PDT

  •  'i don't give a shit who gets paid' (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Brooke In Seattle

    as long as you do, right Kos? What a true progressive you are.

  •  How Obama Excused Torture (0+ / 0-)

    Bruce Fein, former Reagan Justice Department official writes:

    "The evidence is now undeniable. President Barack Obama is flouting his unflagging constitutional obligation enshrined in Article II, Section 3 to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." He is also reneging on his signature campaign promise to restore the rule of law, transparency, and accountability to the White House. He is displaying the psychology of an arrogant empire as opposed to a modest republic in continuing and escalating the Bush-Cheney duumvirate’s global and perpetual war against international terrorism heedless of foreign sovereignties or the lives of civilians."

    Ya, that about sums it up. Sad. Disappointing. Brewing anger.

  •  Obama live at Langley (0+ / 0-)

    I am so proud of this guy. He's laid out why it's important to uphold our values and the rule of law despite what the nutjobs on the right would have the CIA do.

  •  Fed up (0+ / 0-)
    with all the hyperbole over the torture crap.  One side is being particular stupid.

    How about having a reasoned debate instead of fucking calling people names?

    grow the fuck up.

    http://politicz.wordpress.com/

    by GlowNZ on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:51:10 PM PDT

  •  Is anybody aware of a decent organization (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jethropalerobber, malibu1964

    that is focused on changing the attitudes of the AA community toward homosexuality? I find it pretty distressing that these attitudes persist there, and would gladly help such an org.

    I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

    by doc2 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:51:46 PM PDT

    •  No, but put up a post if you find something. (0+ / 0-)

      This isn't much of an issue in the deep blue territory where I live.  If you have enough population in your area, you might try going to different meetings, or start your own meeting.  It would be a very challenging project to change the AA "community" as a whole because an AA meeting is going to consist of whoever shows up trying to avoid drinking, and they're going to resist anything that doesn't speak directly to that immediate goal.  I wish you the best--that's a tough problem to deal with.

      "...we all of us, grave or light, get our thoughts entangled in metaphors, and act fatally on the strength of them."

      by beagledad on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:02:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The complaint filed in that Savage v. DHS lawsuit (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    terrypinder

    is priceless, in the sense that you can't put a price on deep stupidity.  I feel kind of bad that I can't come up with a deep analysis of the flaws in Savage's case, but how deep can you go in a puddle?  To save you the effort, the complaint boils down to the following assertions:

    1. DHS prepared a memo analyzing the potential terrorism threat from right wing extremists.
    1. The memo consitutes a "right wing extremism policy."  (Note: It doesn't.)
    1. Michael Savage's First Amendment rights are violated by having a "right wing extremism policy."

    That's it.  Nothing more to it than that.  I have to think the lawyer who put his name on the thing is embarassed.  That, or shameless.  Or, he wears loafers because he isn't bright enough to tie his shoes.  Jeez.

    "...we all of us, grave or light, get our thoughts entangled in metaphors, and act fatally on the strength of them."

    by beagledad on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:51:51 PM PDT

  •  paterson... (0+ / 0-)
    has tanked. too bad. he is the funniest guy to ever be governor. hope he finds a new career in comedy next year - because this governor thing just aint working out. he's great at standup. my fellow new yorkers would rather have george elmer paturkey back or even the spitz. bring on cuomo jr. the trick will be to get paterson out without andy primarying him.... a messsy messy mess. ugh.
    •  Don't discount a timely Obama appointment n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Single Payer...NOW!!!

      by Egalitare on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:52:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Pataki did GREAT HARM as NY Gov (0+ / 0-)

      He moved money and power UP and to the RIGHT, like a good Republican.

      He favored the wealthy and big corporations over the rest of us.

      He took away many essential protections for working people (Workers' Comp system, for example, was seriously gutted)

      Please never wish him on any one.

      Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

      by LNK on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:20:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  All I can say, Pierce is obviously getting (0+ / 0-)

    paid WAY too much if this is the best argument he can come up with:

    paycheck=professionalism

    "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" President Merkin Muffley

    by gereiztkind on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:00:27 PM PDT

  •  My morning reflection today (0+ / 0-)

    is entitled Columbine after 10 years - a teacher reflects

    I invite you to read.

    Peace.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:09:33 PM PDT

  •  The Idaho bicycle model... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    pHunbalanced, kovie

    would clearly be safer than the practice of Long Island cyclists.

    Here, the cyclists completely ignore all road signs and traffic signals. They barrel through stop signs and red lights at 20mph, even where the view is obstructed.

    Oh, and they'll quite happily pass cars stopping at the stop signs, on the right, even though there are parked cars shortly after the intersection that they'll have to cycle round.

    In short, Long Island cyclists are even more dangerously bad road users than Long Island drivers, who are already pretty damn horrible.

    I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong. - Bertrand Russell
    -5.38, -6.41

    by sullivanst on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:14:28 PM PDT

    •  Lots of people do it here as well (0+ / 0-)

      on the left coast, even in uber-liberal Seattle. And I used to live on LI and NYC.

      I suspect that it's a national phenomena, part of this whole culture of entitlement and personal irresponsibility crap that's going to be a real mess to fix.

      He who tills his land shall have plenty of bread, but he who chases fantasies is void of understanding. (Proverbs 12:11)

      by kovie on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:19:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I suspect liberalism and cycling are (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        pHunbalanced, kovie

        at least somewhat correlated.

        It does fit better with the "everyone else needs to get out of my way" attitude of New York than my impression of Seattle, though, so it's a little bit of a surprise. But only a little - bad road manners can be found pretty much everywhere, and the denser the population, the more examples will be found.

        I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong. - Bertrand Russell
        -5.38, -6.41

        by sullivanst on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:32:29 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Well, I should add (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          pHunbalanced, sullivanst

          that it's only a certain element here, namely the type that smashed Starbucks windows during the WTO protests and are into that whole fashionable hipster anarchist idiocy (otherwise known as not growing up), and there is a certain type like that here.

          But most cyclists and drivers here are pretty safe, responsible and law-abiding in my experience. The only ones who bug me, aside from these, are the slow-driving locals who are always 5mph under the speed limit lest they risk going over it (there's also this whole anal-retentive, passive-aggressive element here, whom I'm guessing the anarchist element are rebelling against), and the reckless idiots who remind me of NJ drivers and are probably either east coast transplants or suburban assholes.

          You can tell that I'm from NY originally, I assume, from the dismissive sarcasm. :-)

          He who tills his land shall have plenty of bread, but he who chases fantasies is void of understanding. (Proverbs 12:11)

          by kovie on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:24:23 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Oh, and I'm off for my first serious bike ride (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          pHunbalanced, sullivanst

          of the year now. It's nearly 70 and sunny and I'm outta here!

          He who tills his land shall have plenty of bread, but he who chases fantasies is void of understanding. (Proverbs 12:11)

          by kovie on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:25:07 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Oh, and I just HAVE to ask (0+ / 0-)

      How's Mr. Cacciatore doing?

      :-)

      He who tills his land shall have plenty of bread, but he who chases fantasies is void of understanding. (Proverbs 12:11)

      by kovie on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:20:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Remind me... who's that? (0+ / 0-)

        The name's not ringing any bells right now.

        I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong. - Bertrand Russell
        -5.38, -6.41

        by sullivanst on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:38:09 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Movin' Out by Billy Joel (0+ / 0-)

          Your UID, Joel's song, my snark:

          Anthony works in the grocery store
          Savin his pennies for some day
          Mama Leone left a note on the door
          She said "Sonny move out to the country"
          Ah but working too hard can give you
          A heart attack, ack, ack, ack, ack, ack
          You ought-a know by now
          Who needs a house out in Hackensack?
          Is that all you get for your money?

          And it seems such a waste of time
          If that's what it's all about
          Mama if that's movin up then I'm movin out
          Mm I' movin out, mm oo oo uh huh mm hm

          You should never argue with a crazy mi mi mi mi mi mind
          You ought-a know by now
          You can pay Uncle Sam with the overtime
          Is that all you get for your money
          And if that's what you have in mind
          Then that's what you're all about
          Good luck movin up cause I'm movin out
          Mm I'm movin out Mm oo oo uh huh mm hm

          Sergeant O'Leary is walkin the beat
          At night he becomes a bartender
          He works at Mister Cacciatore's
          Down on Sullivan Street

          Across from the medical center
          And he's tradin in his Chevy for
          A Cadillac ack ack ack ack ack
          You ought-a know by now
          If he can't drive with a broken back
          At least he can polish the fenders

          I guess I'm showing my age. This song is over 30 years old and I remember clearly when it came out. Ironically, he predicted the past 30 years of the Reagan Revolution and Reagan Democrats selling out their soul and roots in order to cash in on the faux American dream, before it really got underway. Billy Joel was a musical blogger! :-)

          He who tills his land shall have plenty of bread, but he who chases fantasies is void of understanding. (Proverbs 12:11)

          by kovie on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:17:20 PM PDT

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          •  Ahh... shoulda known (1+ / 0-)
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            My wife was happy when we went to see the musical, and they were wearing Hicksville jackets - she used to complain that Joel would say he was from Levittown rather than Hicksville (the "reverse O'Reilly").

            But, I'm an immigrant and didn't grow up listening to him. My user name is actually in reference to Counting Crows.

            I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong. - Bertrand Russell
            -5.38, -6.41

            by sullivanst on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 03:05:10 PM PDT

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            •  Ah, yes (0+ / 0-)

              Not a fan, but it rings a bell. I assume that you've been to the actual Sullivan St., being from LI and occasionally doing the B&T thing. :-) Great cafes and shops down there!

              As I type this 3000 miles away...

              He who tills his land shall have plenty of bread, but he who chases fantasies is void of understanding. (Proverbs 12:11)

              by kovie on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 07:10:06 PM PDT

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  •  Meghan McCain: Karl Rove's a 'twitter creep' (3+ / 0-)

    Meghan McCain loves Twitter — except for the "creepy people." Like Karl Rove.

    In a blog post for the Daily Beast published Monday, McCain says the social networking site has been a "liberating" experience for her — if only her dispatches weren't being read by the former Bush advisor.

    "Karl Rove follows me on Twitter. That's creepy," she said.

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:16:23 PM PDT

  •  Stop signs, yes, red lights, no (1+ / 0-)
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    If the light is red and you're in a vehicle on the road, whether 2 or four-wheeled, artificially or self-powered, you need to stop--and stay stopped--for red lights, until they turn green. As a lifelong cyclist I HATE it when other cyclists run red lights.

    They strike me as being part of that whole far-left loony fringe, anarchist, Starbucks window breaking, Critical Mass-riding, my moral superiority and hipster coolness justify my lawbreaking, idiocy that discredits the legitimate left.

    I always slow down and then roll ever so slowly through stop signs, and stop when there's traffic that has the right of way. And I always stop and stay stopped at red lights. I guess that makes me way unhip and uncool. Guilty as charged!

    He who tills his land shall have plenty of bread, but he who chases fantasies is void of understanding. (Proverbs 12:11)

    by kovie on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:16:57 PM PDT

    •  The red-light running is allowed under law in (0+ / 0-)

      Idaho only.

      The Oregon version of the law would only allow for safe rolling stops, only when it was safe, and when the bike rider had the right-of-way.

      •  If it was legal, that's one thing (0+ / 0-)

        But it's not here, so it's illegal and unsafe.

        He who tills his land shall have plenty of bread, but he who chases fantasies is void of understanding. (Proverbs 12:11)

        by kovie on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:25:54 PM PDT

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        •  I was just clarifying what the Oregon version (1+ / 0-)
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          of the law was proposing. It only covers treating stop signs as yields and makes no mention of stop lights.

          So as it happens, the proposed Oregon law is in line with your own approach.

          Also, I shouldn't have called it "red-light running." In Idaho, bikes treat red lights as stops, so they first STOP at a red light, and can only go if it's safe.

          Of course the news just came through that the Oregon law went down in flames, so my point is about as moot as it gets :)

    •  Great for timed lights... (0+ / 0-)

      ... but useless if the lights have maladjusted sensors.  I often have to run those on the assumption that they are broken.

      •  If a light doesn't change within (0+ / 0-)

        a reasonable amount of time, it's fair to assume that it's broken. But I've found that to be extremely rare, maybe once a year at most. I actually experienced one the other day near where I live. I called it into 911 and they said that they already knew about it. Interestingly, almost no one ran the light, instead turning right or doing u-turns.

        Oh, wait, you're referring to lights set by sensors under the road. Gotcha. Yeah, I agree, they're problems for cyclists. When I encounter them, there's usually a car that does the trick or a nearby pedestrian button to press. If neither works, I do the old turn right then u-turn then right again trick I mentioned above. But I never run the light. It's bad practice, and with my luck I'd get ticketed.

        He who tills his land shall have plenty of bread, but he who chases fantasies is void of understanding. (Proverbs 12:11)

        by kovie on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:44:28 PM PDT

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  •  Re: Charlie Crist (0+ / 0-)

    He has to take all that time off to work on his "tan," dontcha know!

    "We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution."--Bill Hicks

    by malibu1964 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:23:18 PM PDT

  •  Extremism Report? Not so extreme... (0+ / 0-)

    It's amazing how short people's memories are. What were the post-Vietnam and post-Korean Wars like for the returning military? Were those that were only good at firing a rifle able to find themselves a career shooting people on their return? Since before the Roman Empire the military forces in a post-war peace were looked upon as a dangerous element. Common practice was that it was good to have an armed populace during wartime, but not during peacetime. The thought was that an overly armed or militant populace during peace meant that violence against the government was very possible especially if the people were dissatisfied with their situation (eg. Economy). Thus disarming much of the populace during peacetime was encouraged by many countries.

    The NRA's stupid axiom starting with "if every person had guns...et al" doesn't work if so many of them are expert marksmen from the military. Guns don't keep the peace, they are the tools of war for the most part. A returning military during times of economic upheavel and political firefights is a dangerous concoction. Being aware of it is the first step. Shutting up the far right fanatics is the next.

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:25:11 PM PDT

  •  in that marriage poll, catholics support by 49-41 (0+ / 0-)

    crosstabs here.

    also, upstate supports by 50-40.

    and support from independents is higher than that from democrats (67-24 to 59-35).

    "I don't think they're going to be any more successful in 2010" -Yes On 8 co-manager

    by jethropalerobber on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:29:41 PM PDT

  •  gimmee some of dat Idaho Bike Stop Law! eom (0+ / 0-)

    Ignorance is natural. Stupidity takes commitment. --Solomon Short

    by potty p on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:30:15 PM PDT

  •  Regarding the "amateur" journalist idea (0+ / 0-)

    In my opinion, the problem with many mainstream journalists is that they don't have sufficient subject matter expertise to evaluate events and report the news in detail.  They may know how to write a great lede, or look great on camera, but they don't really understand the science surrounding environmental issues, or economics, or public finance, or whatever, in order to deliver news on complex topics beyond he-said, she-said parroting.  So we get lots of stories about fashion, dogs, perceived slights, back and forth political insults, and so on, instead of hard news that could actually inform.

    This is analogous to the teacher problem.  Some long-time teachers are great at the process of teaching, but are no longer current in their subjects.

    Of course, we need a balance.  I like reading reports from amateur journalists who actually are subject matter experts, but especially when they write well.  Likewise, I appreciate when my kids' teachers know their academic subjects inside and out, but it's even better when they know how to control a class and communicate with younger minds.

    •  Put that down to the death of the beat reporter. (1+ / 0-)
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      Most reporters are asked way too much of them and have to file multiple stories per day on a range of topics. In the last few years especially, but for ten or so prior, the beats have been killed off in favor of wire reporting, so the real local reporters are there as gap fillers, rather than experts in a field.

      More's the pity. If you don't have someone dedicated to a given beat, you end up reporting off press releases rather than discovery and networking.

      Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

      by HollywoodOz on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 07:21:52 PM PDT

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  •  Whats with the Miss California "outrage"?? (0+ / 0-)

    She was asked a question; she answered it honestly.  

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    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

    by SFOrange on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:03:50 PM PDT

  •  Eliot Spitzer for President in 2016! (0+ / 0-)
  •  I got a ticket for blowing a stop sign on my bike (0+ / 0-)

    in Sausalito CA, about 12 years ago.

    Fucking absurd.  Even the cop seemed a little embarrassed about stopping me.  I never paid it.  

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    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

    by SFOrange on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:09:14 PM PDT

    •  Sausalito (1+ / 0-)
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      Sausalito has a hard time dealing with the quarter-million annual visitors they get on bicycles from San Francisco every year.  The vast majority of those visitors haven't ridden a bicycle in years, if ever.  The city there has to tread a fine line between welcoming the hoard and keeping it from being a problem.

      Of course, if the people of Sausalito had a collective brain between them, they would embrace a revenue stream of that magnitude by banning cars and advertising the place as a pedestrian and bicycle paradise.

  •  Clarification and Explanation: "Off the record" (0+ / 0-)

    I worked in media relations.

    Nothing is off the record, even if you say it is.

    Even better -- -- want to be sure to get something published, confide in the reporter that it is "off the record."

    PS About Gov. Paterson (that is the correct spelling) we New Yorkers are receiving a constant barrage of negative reporting about him while his good deeds and his neutral deeds are barely mentioned.

    Therefore, polls are problematic.

    Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

    by LNK on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:16:49 PM PDT

  •  Rolling stops always include looking for Police (1+ / 0-)
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    Keeping the 5-0 on the mental radar is a necessary additional step in states that are less enlightened about the physics of momentum.  

    That and the occasional right turn....

  •  Next "More Popular than a Republican" Poll (0+ / 0-)

    question I'd like to see is what's more popular: "Torture" or "Republicans"?

  •  Happy 4/20 Everyone n/t (0+ / 0-)

    I am not a number...

    by pecosbob on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 03:27:20 PM PDT

  •  Buchanan getting punked on Hardball (0+ / 0-)

    by Lawrence O'Donnell, who actually seems halfway angry. He's turning Buchanan into Swiss cheese.

    I think the thing Buchanan just can't wrap his brain around is the idea that anyone might be insulted and not care, particularly.

    "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

    by Geenius at Wrok on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 04:09:43 PM PDT

  •  NY Homosexual Marriage (0+ / 0-)

    "Republicans strongly oppose passage, with men, older voters, African Americans, and Protestants also opposed."

    I'm neither for, nor against homosexual marriage.  I think personal issues like marriage, abortion, etc. must remain so, and should never have been politicized.  In doing so, the perpetrators of this practise have employed a classic 'Divide and Conquor' strategy that far too many people fall for.  I refuse to do so, but it is interesting that when Republicans oppose homosexual marriage, they're branded homophobes, while African-American oppose it and...

    ... there's nothing like consistancy.  The whole point of the civil rights movement was to treat everyone equally, regardless of race, gender, etc.  That premise included the right to criticize anybody, regardless of race, gender, etc.  After the assassination of MLK, the movement was hijacked by the previously mentioned 'D & C' crowd. Now we're at a point, when most people have moved beyond racial issues, that criticizing the President is a hate crime!  Not because his policies may be unsound, or that he lacks experience, his accolytes say, it's because he's black.  Ridiculous!  People perpetrating this myth are attempting to 'Divide and Conquor.'  We've gone from, "judge not by the color of skin, but the content of character," to just the opposite, and anyone who points out this reality is the racist?  Sad, but true.

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