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Yeah, I know the next census doesn't even take place until next year, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start talking strategy now.  Minnesota, by most political thinkers, is set to lose a seat in the House after the people are counted. How do we re-carve the state in the best possible way without being stupid or illegal about it?

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I truly believe the wingnut version of the GOP will scare the hell out of MN voters.  I've lived here all of my (short) life and have found that most of the people who disagreed with me politically did so for reasons that were decently reasonable.  Maybe based in anecdotal logic, but nonetheless not wingbatty illogical.

Therefore, I believe MN has a real shot at ousting Pawlenty (lets hope he keeps fucking up the Coleman fiasco just for the poo we can fling; Legally, the court can screw him after this next round anyway) this next election cycle while improving their DFL ranks in the state legislature.  This would give us a stranglehold on how to logically get rid of a district in the state while helping our cause anyway.

The obvious answer: Remove MN-06!! Yep, Batshit Bachmann's district.  Hopefully after the 2010 election she will be gone anyway, and (though I live in MN-03) I plan to do everything I can to make this happen, but I am not holding my breath due to this district's conservative streak.

Why MN-06? Well besides the fact that it's Bachmann's district, go look at the Kos electoral map.  This is one weird looking district.  Stillwater (WI border) to the west all the way to St. Cloud (Central MN exurbs)??  It scraggles around the outskirts of the metro area, and almost appears a Democrat attempt to keep a bunch of conservatives in one district.  Unless R's controlled the talks (I'm a little young for the history; Jesse would have been gov, but I don't know who controlled MN Congress after 2000), then it would appear to be an attempt to keep eastern--though slightly conservative--city-ish areas out of MN-03. Areas where, it seems, we have some crazies on our western border that wouldn't be there if we, logically, had the eastern suburbs included.

Assuming MN-06 goes, and we have control over the restructure, how do we re-carve MN legally and to our benefit.  Do we move MN-03 a tad west lumping in the outskirts of St. Cloud making an impossible district out of  a district that will prove hard to win in perfect conditions anyhow.  The rest of MN-06 would go to either MN-07 or MN-08.  Which can absorb more R votes? I would argue 07. Yeah, Peterson won by a bigger % than Oberstar, but he is also younger. Duluth is a D stronghold, but the district won't have strong name recognition for as long as Peterson promises to hold in MN-07.

Have a different idea of how to break up the state? Please, leave it in the comments.  I would love a plan that would give MN-03 a chance at D representation.  It could have happened this cycle but Ashwin Madia? WTF? Paulsen sucks, don't get me wrong, but really someone who voted for Bush, but came to the light? If I'm younger than you and was smart enough to be a Gore for president supporter when I was 13 in 2000, why the hell would I believe you were smart enough to back progressive causes.

Yeah,I voted Madia, but I really wish we had a better candidate this time to give us at least name recognition when our already conservative district becomes more conservative after redistricting. (at least if I am right in my redistricting predictions.)

PS: I have donated $50 to the actblue link in my sigline. It is for whomever the MN-06 condidate is in 2010.  I refuse to donate more until I know who the candidate is but some seed money will be helpful in recruiting a good candidate.

Originally posted to Archie2227 on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 01:05 AM PDT.

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  •  Interesting analysis (3+ / 0-)

    I don't know anything about Minnesota districts, but I'm afraid that if the Repubs don't primary Bachmann it would take a redistricting to get rid of her.  And getting rid of Bachmann should be Job 1 for Minnesota.  What an embarrassment she is.

    •  Even though (3+ / 0-)

      I am not in her district, she embarrasses me. I hate the WTF is up w/ MN because of Bachmann and Coleman comments. We ain't all that bad! I swear.

      As for the primary idea: the other (primary losing) R candidate tried to mount a write-in campaign through the Star Trib.  His purpose was to bleed votes from Bachmann. Unfortunately, her infamous Hardball comments came after this was buried, and failed to give rational R's a second choice.

      •  Well, (4+ / 0-)

        I am in her district, and I sure hope reasonable people will get rid of the district.  But there are some really crazy people in this district.  But I saw hope last year when Princeton (northwest of the cities) had an dem office with big Obama signs everywhere.  In such a red district, I smiled every day when i drove through.  

        Our house receives a call at least once day a day from her office fundraising, and at least once a week gets a mailer from her.  This house has voted dem so either her records aren't very up to date, or she actually thinks she can pull dems over to her.

        Crazy lady indeed.

        •  I've been up to Princeton (2+ / 0-)
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          for the races a couple of times. Good for them and their signs!

          I realize and appreciate that liberals, and non wingnuts do reside in the area.  In fact I work with very progressive people that live in the district (restaurants tend to bring out progressives).

          If she honestly thinks she can pull in D voters she needs her head examined. She actually has some use to the D's as a fundraising opportunity.  But being represented by her in any way isn't worth it.

      •  Yes, it's going to take (1+ / 0-)
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        Archie2227

        a real effort to put a viable opponent up against her, I think.  A few signs, flyers and LTEs just aren't going to do it.  It looks like the Minnesota Republican Party isn't up to it, and from the sounds of it, a Democrat will have an almost impossible task taking that district.  Oh well, after 2008 I do believe in miracles.  She's not just an embarrassment to Minnesota, she's an embarrassment to the whole country.

  •  doesn't matter (1+ / 0-)
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    she'll have her own show on Faux the day after the election/redistricting. throw in a radio show too. and maybe a 700 Club guest host gig.

    •  does matter...she won't be able to vote in the HR (1+ / 0-)
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      On fox, she'll be marginalized to just talking to the 26%ers. Not even the second coming of their Lord and his subsequent new Sermon on Eagle Mount would change the mind of those people. Hell, waterboarding them wouldn't change their minds.

      Let her go to fox. I hope she successfully fends off the advances of bill o'reilly, provided they're not welcome. If they are welcome:  ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

      A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

      by dougymi on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 06:33:49 AM PDT

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  •  Pawlenty's economic miracle (2+ / 0-)
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    After the last census there were very few people who figured MInnesota was in any serious danger of losing a seat.  After all the state had consistently lapped the Upper Midwest on population growth for 40 years.  But a funny thing happened within a year or two or Pawlenty's ascension.  Population growth slowed dramatically.  A lot of people started leaving the state.  Maybe dismantling the Minnesota Miracle and making the tax structure more regressive was not a good idea after all.

    The trendline registered alarm bells in 2007 and dropped below the threshold in 2008 as the rate of decline accelerated.

    As for this seat, it was created more by Jesse Ventura than anyone else.  Ventura figured that by concentrating counties he did well in he might get an Independence Party congressman, or at least a friendly Democrat (El Tinklenberg was his DOT commissioner).  But, irony of ironies, the avowedly anti-evangelical Ventura misjudged his core base.  They weren't libertarians nor were they pragmatic folk who simply wanted to cut through the BS, they're out and out barn-burning populists.  And Bachmann is incredibly good at fusing the populist card with the wingnut Christianity that's very widespread in this district.  Just ask Gary Laidig, the moderate Republican long-time state senator whose political career she ended almost a decade ago.

    The real challenge in redistricting is going to be preventing the Republicans from being in a position to draw five metro area-based seats and just two rural districts.  That is what the Republicans will try to do if they can; that is how Bachmann might be preserved.  Besides which a four-three split is actually a fair reflection of the metro-outstate population distribution in the state.

  •  Remember Bella Abzug (0+ / 0-)

    Rep. Abzug was a highly vocal and caustic critic of Nixon and all his doings.  She was right on the issues, but quite flamboyant.  Nixon's flunkies used to say "Whenever she gets up to speak, it gains us 20 votes in the House"

    The same is true of Bachmann.  She does us far more good than harm.  Why not eliminate a district represented by a so-called "moderate" Republican?  A "moderate" Republican in today's House is one who votes the same as Bachmann only 97% of the time.  Far better to relieve the House of one more hypocrite, and leave Bachmann where she is.

  •  I wouldn't be surprised (1+ / 0-)
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    if in 2010 an Independent candidate will once again take enough votes from Democratic making Pawlenty the winner. This is exactly what happened in 2006 when Hutchinson, the Independent candidate took 6% of the vote. And it almost robbed Franken from his win in this election.

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