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The problem, though, is that it's been wiped off the face of the earth.

Daily Kos is powered by a content management system (CMS) called Scoop. Scoop was designed originally to power a website called Kuro5hin (http://kuro5hin.org/) but has since been used in hundreds of sites. It apparently is famous for running political sites, such as our very own DKos.

The problem, though, is that it's been wiped off the face of the earth.

Not entirely, mind you - sites like DKos and Kuro5hin are still alive, kicking ass and taking names. The problem stems in actually getting hold of the content system itself. The nominal website for Scoop - http://scoop.kuro5hin.org/ - throws up a picture of their web server, nothing more. Any Google search about Scoop either turns up articles about sites running Scoop (like this place), or simply links back to the empty Scoop homepage. The mailing list, on Sourceforge, has been removed and locked; the archives are inaccessible. Any links to download Scoop point, invariably, to the only mirror of the code - on the defunct Scoop website.

Granted, the code hasn't been updated since 2007. Granted, there are other CMSes out there. But Scoop works so well for Dkos, and would work so well with the ideas I'm working with. (Ideas like what, eh? read on)

So where is it? If Scoop is really dead, where's the eulogy?

And failing Scoop, does anyone have any pointers on where I could find something similar?

Fair warning disclaimer: I'm more of a tinkerer. I'm a city planner by profession, and a creative dude as a hobby. I don't program, but I can muck about in code on a very limited basis. I'm smart enough to run something like SimpleMachines forum software, or even Wordpress, but coding something from scratch is out of the question.

Ideally, any CMS suggested would allow, out of the box:

  1. User-created diaries or blogs.
  1. Said diaries could be voted to the front page automatically.
  1. Commenting, user profiles, and the like.
  1. Perhaps gallery software (for photography), but that's not strictly necessary.

Right now I have a rather unwieldly installation of Wordpress-MultipleUser going, along with some heavy customizations courtesy of Buddypress. But it's complete overkill. My target userbase is only now getting to the point of being comfortable with message boards: A full-on customizable blog like what Wordpress allows would drown them. Likewise, something as powerful as Drupal or Joomla would slaughter ME as a site-admin; there's too much stuff to go wrong.

Basically I want to use tech like message boards and Scoop to explore better civic participation. My small hometown has very, VERY limited online presence. The aforementioned newspaper has a successful message board, but they have their own agenda to worry about. I want to give my neighbors a public sounding board for local issues, stuff that wouldn't get much traction if it weren't deemed important by the conservative newspaper. I have the message board part down: It's the blogs that are hanging me up.

Any help? Surely there's some fellow tinkerers out there with experience with CMS software. Thanks in advance!

Originally posted to lordfly on Thu May 14, 2009 at 09:54 PM PDT.

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  •  hmm.... (0+ / 0-)

    i don't want to offend you, but this is an extremely busy site. it should be using something a little more powerful than scoop, drupal, or joomla.

    however, given the fact that state-of-the-art is off the table, i guess drupal might be your best bet. it has the largest base of users/contributors (i think), and their user interface is supposed to be much improved in the next version.

    ideally, for something that would be a lot faster and more customizeable, but certainly more labor-intensive, i would suggest django, but it sounds like that is way more programming than what is desired here.

    my two cents... good luck!

    •  This site currently runs on a highly customized (2+ / 0-)
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      mataliandy, LordMike

      version of scoop. Soon it will run on a new platform when dkos 4 is released (I'm pretty sure this is correct)

      "Everybody does better, when everybody does better" - Paul Wellstone 1997

      by yuriwho on Thu May 14, 2009 at 10:17:41 PM PDT

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      •  True. (1+ / 0-)
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        tmo

        This version of dailykos is a scoop fork which, if the expressed hopes of kos and ct come true, will be released back into the public pool when dkos 4 comes out.

        If we didn't panic, we wouldn't be Democrats. -- TheGryphon

        by opendna on Thu May 14, 2009 at 11:04:55 PM PDT

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    •  thanks! (1+ / 0-)
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      opendna

      No doubt that DKos has outgrown Scoop... the community I'm developing for currently peaks at about 100 people... total. I'm hoping that grows, of course, but we all start small, don't we? :) As such I don't really need something as awesomely heavy-duty as Drupal. I did in fact tinker and install Drupal, but the sheer insanity of even configuring basic behaviors like commenting made it essentially unworkable. It's designed for an enterprise level site when I'm aiming for something definitely hobby-level, at best (although a very nice easy to use hobby level :) )

      Thanks for your help and comments, though. :)

    •  I belong to an organization... (0+ / 0-)

      ...with a website that uses joomla. What little I've seen of the user interface looks like a swamp. Are scoop or drupal any better?

      •  Not necessarily what Joomla is best at (0+ / 0-)

        My impression is that Joomla is a good choice if your site is relatively static, and you want it to look pretty professional with the least effort.  This is not too good for a community site, where you need a lot of interactivity, or want to customize things a great deal.

        I do a lot of work with Drupal, which can do anything, with effort.  Getting it to look good takes skill or usually, help from someone who knows PHP a bit and has a designer's eye.  But it's easy to set up a simple blog, if you're willing to either live with the look and feel, or able to do what's needed to improve on it.

        Some other blog-centric sites use Wordpress (Firedog Lake is one).  If you don't need a lot of unusual interactivity, it's probably not a bad choice.

        "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

        by mbayrob on Fri May 15, 2009 at 12:14:19 AM PDT

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        •  Wordpress (0+ / 0-)

          I'm actually currently tinkering with Wordpress-MU (a fork of Wordpress that allows multiple users), but it is extremely... testy. While Wordpress itself is designed to work with minimal effort, apparently allowing anyone to register a blog at will with WordPressMU is another matter entirely; the support for WPMU boils down to "figure it out yourself". Rather unfortunate. There's a lot of compatibility issues between WPMU and regular Wordpress plugins. I suppose that's to be expected, but it cuts down on the functionality somewhat.

          WordPressMU + Buddypress (buddypress.org) are what I have so far, but it's definite overkill. The support costs to keep WPMU running smoothly are over my short head, I think, even with a small community.

          Back to the drawing board, I guess. I did find LifeType, though, might give that a shot this weekend.

          The trick is finding the balance between basic functionality (blogging, commenting) and special circumstances (letting basic users have their own blog, vote-to-front-page abilities, profiles, etc). I would have thought something like this would have existed out of the box some time ago, especially with the prolific rise of political community sites like Kos.

  •  You can get it here (0+ / 0-)

    "Everybody does better, when everybody does better" - Paul Wellstone 1997

    by yuriwho on Thu May 14, 2009 at 10:16:00 PM PDT

  •  There's a whole raft of websites (2+ / 0-)
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    tmo, mataliandy

    that use an imitation of Scoop called Soapblox I think.

    "When the government becomes a lawbreaker, it invites every man to become a law unto himself." ~ Justice Brandeis

    by ActivistGuy on Thu May 14, 2009 at 10:25:50 PM PDT

    •  True. (0+ / 0-)

      Soapblox.net is a java(?) implementation of Scoop provided as a hosted service. It is not available for download but it does offer dailykos-like services to a great number of progressive political sites.

      If we didn't panic, we wouldn't be Democrats. -- TheGryphon

      by opendna on Thu May 14, 2009 at 11:22:55 PM PDT

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      •  It is indeed Java (1+ / 0-)
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        opendna

        and has its limitations.  The number of developers is very small, and until things went to hell about a year ago and the main developer got a lot help, there were some questions if it was going to survive.

        I think that they've gotten on a more stable basis, and it's not a bad choice if you  are satisfied with its feature set.  See Calitics and Open Left for examples of what that means.

        "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

        by mbayrob on Fri May 15, 2009 at 12:17:33 AM PDT

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  •  Here's a site full of demoes... (0+ / 0-)

    Which can give you a chance to noodle with packages without the fuss of downloading and installing..

    http://www.opensourcecms.com/

    •  woot! (0+ / 0-)

      Ah, good, a depository of CMSes. Part of the problem is there's just so many of them. This will help a ton, thank you :)

      •  Play There (1+ / 0-)
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        opendna

        Spend a few days trying out the CMSes there - find one that's got the features you like, and more importantly, a good level of documentation and community support. Unless you're excited about a lot of confusion and hacking, you want something that there are a bunch of other people using, so you can ask them for advice about how to get stuff done (it's unlikely you're reinventing the CMS wheel, so to speak).

        As for Scoop itself, I think it's pretty much dead in terms of new development - and even in the best of times it was pretty unwieldy to use. As for the features you see here that you're looking for, they may not even exist in the mainline Scoop code (if you could find it) - DKos has been pretty heavilty customized and added to, both by ct and Rusty (the original Scoop author who was hired as a consultant for a while).

        You may also want to look into Slash, the progenitor of Scoop.

        AT&T offers exciting work for recent graduates in computer science. Pick up the phone, call your mom, and ask for an application.

        by Scipio on Thu May 14, 2009 at 11:06:21 PM PDT

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  •  Still think Drupal is the best. (0+ / 0-)

    There is a very large, active user base, and I don't think you'll ever have a problem with drupal.org going blank. Also, you can always extend or simplify your site; there is no need to have every core module enabled! As far as things going wrong...I am not sure where you get that from. Drupal is extremely easy to install and administer these days. Version 6 is the one to try now.

    The modern news media draws half its power from coils placed around the spinning in Edward R. Murrow's grave.

    by aigeanta on Thu May 14, 2009 at 11:08:43 PM PDT

  •  I found Scoop v1.0 (1+ / 0-)
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    LordMike

    http://sourceforge.net/...

    It might not be a bad idea to drop rusty a message:
    http://www.kuro5hin.org/...
    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    But now that you mention it, I should probably look around to see if I've got a copy somewhere.

    If we didn't panic, we wouldn't be Democrats. -- TheGryphon

    by opendna on Thu May 14, 2009 at 11:13:09 PM PDT

  •  yeah, scoop.k5's been down a while. (1+ / 0-)
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    DavidNYC

    Cutting a release from the DK codebase has been on my plate for a while, but I haven't had the time to finish it up (there's a lot of DK-specific stuff floating around that needs to be cleaned up).

    That said, if Drupal's too heavy duty, Scoop will be too. It's immensely powerful, but pretty much needs its own server and is not the easiest thing to administer. You may want to consider using Soapblox, though.


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    by ct on Fri May 15, 2009 at 12:11:57 AM PDT

    •  Found a 1.1.8 tarball though (0+ / 0-)

      For the time being, you can give this a crack: scoop-1.1.8.tar.gz. DK's Scoop has seriously diverged from this release, but it's still not ready to put up yet I'm afraid.


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      by ct on Fri May 15, 2009 at 12:19:07 AM PDT

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      •  thanks for finding this! (0+ / 0-)

        You're a lifesaver! I was thinking my sanity was gone :P

        Looking at the requirements, though, it would definitely be an epic battle; the server I have my SMF board on is apache 2.x, while Scoop specifically says 1.x is the way to go. Plus, rebooting/restarting apache isn't generally within my power (the server is donated, runs a few other things not affiliated with me).

        Curses! So close. :) But I do thank you for finding this gem.

        •  The DK Scoop supports Apache 2.x. (0+ / 0-)

          However, the rest of the stuff still stands. You need pretty complete control over the server, though, or access to someone who can do it for you, which is why I recommended looking at other solutions. For most things, it's overkill.


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          by ct on Fri May 15, 2009 at 09:51:05 AM PDT

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  •  TikiWiki (0+ / 0-)

    I may have found two candidates...

    http://lifetype.net/

    and

    http://info.tikiwiki.org/...

    I'm edging more towards Tikiwiki, it seems friendlier and has a lot of my needed features out of the box. We'll see.

    Thanks to everyone who commented to help out, much appreciated :)

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