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Crossposted at my blog: Oath Keepers Are Dangerous Morons


Because I know it pisses them off.

"How Many Oath Keepers Are Prepared To Commit Violence?"

This is a very good question.

I don't think that the individual who posted this gem on Youtube and I are looking at the question from the same angle, but it is interesting to contemplate.

Forget the multitude of self proclaimed patriots who have no sense of operational security and don't recognize the fact that they do irreparable harm to their future standing in the new world order they believe is closing in around them.
By giving the enemy they're just sure is going to materialize a video record of who they are and what they said, they aren't going to be of much use in the glorious fight for freedom they envisage themselves waging.

Think about the ones smart enough not to identify themselves and publicly subscribe to this dementia that Stewie started.

This is what he thinks:

"None of those groups screen their many members, and because they don't screen, it is allot tougher to hold them responsible for something one of their many, many members does."

This statement was copied and pasted from here:

The first impression is to laugh at the sheer hubris that must exist between those two little ears that would allow for this ridiculous legal argument to ever be conceived.
The realization that he actually believes this crap and is voicing his preparedness to deal with the fallout from the Peter Pan fantasy world that he's constructed for his band of runaway boys makes the laughter stick in the throat.

The reasoning is that like large national organizations, such as the NRA and GOA(National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America)that also have no screening process for membership, the Oath Keepers organization will be protected in the event that one of their members moves beyond rhetoric and chest thumping, and anything that happens doesn't reflect on the leadership. Nor do they bear any responsibility, because, golly gee willikers, we're just so large a grassroots movement of real americans that there's no way to associate an act of violence with our organization if it should happen.

I submit for reasoning that the NRA and the GOA didn't invent firearms and they don't goad gun owners into shooting people.

I submit that Stewie is goading people, He is instigating and inciting them to levels of action they may otherwise never have arrived at,and if an Oath Keeper takes it upon themselves to move to the next level and walk the walk, then Stewart Rhodes,you are most definitely responsible.

It won't be the first volley in the new revolution you seem so anxious for, it will be a simple act of violence that will hurt real people and it will be the end of your organization.

I see a video when I view the diary.
If you don't then this is the link to the Youtube page

Originally posted to 19April1775 on Fri May 22, 2009 at 09:58 PM PDT.

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  •  and if none of this interests you (5+ / 0-)

    take a few moments to let this persaon know how you feel about their Youtube id

    by 19April1775 on Fri May 22, 2009 at 10:04:40 PM PDT

    •  Have you reported that user? (3+ / 0-)
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      Big Tex, Rogneid, 19April1775

      Not sure I know how.

      No one cares about what you think, unless you do what you think. No one cares what you do, unless you think about what you do.

      by MnplsLiberal on Fri May 22, 2009 at 10:06:21 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know either (4+ / 0-)

        I do know it would be a full time job to keep up on the plague of hate that's spreading around.

        That moniker is nothing compared to some of the shit that people are saying.

        Liz/Dick Cheney says something outrageous

        Glenn Beck cries

        Billy Bob voices his opinion

        Trickle down stupidity

        by 19April1775 on Fri May 22, 2009 at 10:17:50 PM PDT

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        •  Well, I'm not that worried about this clown (4+ / 0-)
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          Debby, Big Tex, Rogneid, Dirtandiron

          They are cowards and morons. A very small minority will perhaps act out. But they'll quickly learn this is no Tom Clancy novel.



          No one cares about what you think, unless you do what you think. No one cares what you do, unless you think about what you do.

          by MnplsLiberal on Fri May 22, 2009 at 10:21:34 PM PDT

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      •  I think there's a way to, (3+ / 0-)
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        Rogneid, marykk, Dirtandiron

        but YouTube is doing their maintenance thing so nothing works on the site right now (as of the time I'm posting this).  I think there's a way to report them on their user page, if I'm not mistaken.

      •  Why would you report this user? (2+ / 0-)
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        ben masel, Rogneid

        If you look around YouTube just a little, you will see they don't ban stupid. This guy is asking a legitimate question. How many of these people who, like him, talk about a new revolution are all talk? I have feeling that it is most of them.

        There are several times he says, "If we can't resolve our grievances peacefully". So he has at least given himself an out. I have read diaries here during the Bush ministration that have spoken of conditions that could make citizens take up arms. At times, it was more inflammatory than this guy's drone.

        I think it is a bad idea to add straw on this camel. Taking his freedom of speech away might be just the way to do it. Reacting in anger is only going to convince him he is right, yuh librel!

        Monitor yes, but act like you are ignoring him.

        As if things could get worse without getting better.

        by A Voice on Sat May 23, 2009 at 03:05:45 AM PDT

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  •  I hope to move through middle age (6+ / 0-)

    with a little more dignity than these "Patriot" dickwads.

    Just because nobody wants to give you a blowjob anymore doesn't mean you need to buy lots of guns to "defend yourself."

    Join a book club or something, fellas.

    You're bringing down the entire male species.

    "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

    by greendem on Fri May 22, 2009 at 10:13:25 PM PDT

  •  I'm so confused... (0+ / 0-)

    wtf is an "oath keeper" ? And what youtube video is being referenced?

    •  I see a video right above the tags (1+ / 0-)
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      If you have a space between the last paragraph and the tags it's something screwy with Youtube

      Google them.
      They're teabaggers with attitude

      by 19April1775 on Fri May 22, 2009 at 10:26:23 PM PDT

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    •  Who can know such mysteries? (3+ / 0-)
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      Debby, marykk, Dirtandiron

      If only the diarist had included a link in his text and also embedded a video then we might be able to scroll up, move the mouse (that's the really hard part, only for advanced users) and then clicked on them.

      I guess we'll just never know.

      No one cares about what you think, unless you do what you think. No one cares what you do, unless you think about what you do.

      by MnplsLiberal on Fri May 22, 2009 at 10:27:12 PM PDT

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  •  Right-wing lunacy (3+ / 0-)
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    Rogneid, Dirtandiron, 19April1775

    rears its ugly head yet again.  How long before another federal building gets blown up by one or more of these loons?

    These people are a fifth column, and should be treated accordingly - especially if they're active duty military.

  •  The real oathkeepers (0+ / 0-)

    Read the article in the American Thinker called Revolution by Herbert Meyer.  This Utube video is no threat to the Obama administration.  But, I can assure you all the people that this man represents are very much a threat.  Many high level career military and CIA people see this Administration as a Leninist or Hitler like take over of  Amerika and will move to hinder Obama's policies at every turn.  Unfortunatly, the attention will be focused on folks like the man in this video. Better get on the ball Kosites!

  •  What's all this about goatkeepers? eom (3+ / 0-)
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    greendem, Debby, Rogneid
  •  Your legal analysis is wrong. (0+ / 0-)

    See Brandenburg v Ohio 395 U.S. 444 (1969)

    Held: Since the statute, by its words and as applied, purports to punish mere advocacy and to forbid, on pain of criminal punishment, assembly with others merely to advocate the described type of action, it falls within the condemnation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments. Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.

    Practicing Law without a License is my 3d favorite Crime.

    by ben masel on Sat May 23, 2009 at 06:29:45 AM PDT

    •  I went to bed last night and missed you (0+ / 0-)

      Are you saying my legal argument is wrong?

      I don't actually have one. I worded it specifically to mock the founder of the Oath Keepers, who has a degree in law from Yale.
      Yes, the same place that produced more than one Bush.

      I can't for the life of me understand why someone with a degree from an Ivy League College, would waste his opportunity to change things that the honor bestows, and become Jim Jones instead.

      As for my layman's opinion of Brandenburg v Ohio, I really think this organization fits the imminent, and the and is likely is in this case highly probable.

      Are you a lawyer or is it really your 3rd favorite crime?
      Either way, would you be willing to view some of Stewart Rhodes speeches and his radio appearances that are on Youtube and giving me your opinion on what he says? From a legal standpoint?

      If you agree with anything he says I want to know that too.

      by 19April1775 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 11:48:27 PM PDT

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      •  In Hess v Indiana (0+ / 0-)

        which further refined the 'imminent" prong of the Brandenburg test, finding "We'll take the streets tomorrow" not imminent enough to be punishable.

        Hearing of Rhodes' legal background, I imagine he had a printout of Brandenburg on hand while drafting his video script. Not prosecutable.

        Practicing Law without a License is my 3d favorite Crime.

        by ben masel on Sun May 24, 2009 at 12:40:30 AM PDT

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  •  The videographer (0+ / 0-)

    is a vulgar little twit.

    Here's a clue: Nothing has changed. The things you are bitching about now, you didn't care about when Bush was in office so you're really standing on shifting sand. As long as you can sit in your air-conditioned house, as long as you can go to Walmart and buy your made-in-China crap, your kind isn't going to do anything. But start your little "revolution" and all those troops that you accused us of not respecting are coming down on your ass. Won't that be a rude awakening?

    There's a reason Democrats won massively the last two cycles, and it wasn't because people were desperate for "bipartisanship". --kos

    by Debby on Sat May 23, 2009 at 08:28:51 AM PDT

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